Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: I agree with James. I'd like to m.wikipedia land up at a portal with a language list and selector. +1 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop
Hi Laura, you can bypass the registration fee by selecting other payment option in the way I said. In response to another off list query, I should point out that unfortunately this workshop is only open to existing (incorporated recognised) chapters/thorgs, not those still in planning or awaiting recognition. Regards, On 5 Dec 2013 20:27, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Also, in response to a query: It is possible to register without paying registration right away. If you click Other Payment Options you can select one of those and we will settle up with you eventually. :-) Chris For those wanting to attend but needing scholarships to cover the event, how do we bypass the 50 pound registration window? Also, WM-UK scholarships will cover above the per diem rate that the WMF limits people to correct? :/ Sincerely, Laura Hale -- twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Language Engineering IRC Office Hour on December 11, 2013 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC
[x-posted] Hello, The Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be hosting an IRC office hour on Wednesday, December 11, 2013 between 17:00 - 18:00 UTC on #wikimedia-office. (See below for timezone conversion and other details.) We will be talking about some of our recent and upcoming projects and then taking questions for the remaining time. Questions and any other concerns can also be sent to me directly before the event. See you there! Thanks Runa === Event Details === What: WMF Language Engineering Office hour When: December 11, 2013 (Wednesday). 1700-1800 UTC http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20131211T1700 Where: IRC Channel #wikimedia-office on FreeNode -- Language Engineering - Outreach and QA Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop
Hi Chris, If there is only one Wikimedia Foundation board recognised thematic organization, why did you chose to use a plural? And The Wikinewsie Group has aff-comm recognition, and as the Board has never rejected an aff-comm recommendation, I don't particularly see the problem. What I do see as problematic is WM-UK organizing this conference, talking about chapters moving towards professionalism in the context of the Wikimedia Movement while charging chapters and a thematic organization to attend, selecting a hotel for participants to stay at that costs above the per diem rate that the WMF funds for, and then saying there is the expectation that it will not be an issue for people to attend with the high registration fee and high accomodation costs because these will not be incurred by individuals but by their organizations. As the Movement appears to be having a discussion about finacial responsibility and effect use of donor funds, that sort of approach appears to run counter to all of that. No explanation other than We talked down the price! appears to have been forth coming as to why a place was selected that costs roughly USD$200 a night. There is no agenda for this conference to understand why the conference is worth that expensive costs. The people presenting clearly are not in need of the conference as it is Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia DE, Wikimedia PL, Wikimedia France. These are by and large the chapters with FDC funding or access to independent sources of funding. They are clearly not being targetted for training. The people who appear to be targetted as attendees are ones who have no money... and you're off to charge them large amounts. I don't see how these costs, which you expect to be absorbed by donor funds, are a good use of those funds. I don't see how expecting people to incur expenses over around USD$850 to attend a two day conference ($400 for two nights, $65 for registration, $230 for a flight from somewhere close in Europe, $50 to get to the event from the airport, $100 in food) where the thing starts out by violating WMF guidelines. What knowledge exactly are you planning to pass on to people from less developed chapters? Fiscal responsibility, best use of donor funds, following WMF's best practices for grant funding... These are off the table? What else is there? Sincerely, Laura Hale On Friday, December 6, 2013, Chris Keating wrote: Hi Laura, you can bypass the registration fee by selecting other payment option in the way I said. In response to another off list query, I should point out that unfortunately this workshop is only open to existing (incorporated recognised) chapters/thorgs, not those still in planning or awaiting recognition. -- mobile: 635209416 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop
Hi Laura, Actually I hope both larger and smaller organisations will gain from this event. Larger organisations' boards certainly need training and support as much as smaller ones, though there are different challenges at different stages of development. I'm pleased to say of the people who have registered so far there is a broad mixture from three continents and I hope we will be able to fund as many people as possible. It would certainly be great if there was more support available for organisations just starting out, available for free. So far as I know, no-one has ever taken a synoptic look at the support and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations and tried to work out how to meet them. Who might take that on and how it might be funded is an open question. Regards, Chris Hi Chris, If there is only one Wikimedia Foundation board recognised thematic organization, why did you chose to use a plural? And The Wikinewsie Group has aff-comm recognition, and as the Board has never rejected an aff-comm recommendation, I don't particularly see the problem. What I do see as problematic is WM-UK organizing this conference, talking about chapters moving towards professionalism in the context of the Wikimedia Movement while charging chapters and a thematic organization to attend, selecting a hotel for participants to stay at that costs above the per diem rate that the WMF funds for, and then saying there is the expectation that it will not be an issue for people to attend with the high registration fee and high accomodation costs because these will not be incurred by individuals but by their organizations. As the Movement appears to be having a discussion about finacial responsibility and effect use of donor funds, that sort of approach appears to run counter to all of that. No explanation other than We talked down the price! appears to have been forth coming as to why a place was selected that costs roughly USD$200 a night. There is no agenda for this conference to understand why the conference is worth that expensive costs. The people presenting clearly are not in need of the conference as it is Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia DE, Wikimedia PL, Wikimedia France. These are by and large the chapters with FDC funding or access to independent sources of funding. They are clearly not being targetted for training. The people who appear to be targetted as attendees are ones who have no money... and you're off to charge them large amounts. I don't see how these costs, which you expect to be absorbed by donor funds, are a good use of those funds. I don't see how expecting people to incur expenses over around USD$850 to attend a two day conference ($400 for two nights, $65 for registration, $230 for a flight from somewhere close in Europe, $50 to get to the event from the airport, $100 in food) where the thing starts out by violating WMF guidelines. What knowledge exactly are you planning to pass on to people from less developed chapters? Fiscal responsibility, best use of donor funds, following WMF's best practices for grant funding... These are off the table? What else is there? Sincerely, Laura Hale On Friday, December 6, 2013, Chris Keating wrote: Hi Laura, you can bypass the registration fee by selecting other payment option in the way I said. In response to another off list query, I should point out that unfortunately this workshop is only open to existing (incorporated recognised) chapters/thorgs, not those still in planning or awaiting recognition. -- mobile: 635209416 twitter: purplepopple blog: ozziesport.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop
Hi all, As this event supposed to target guys like me, let me give you a short feedback about the program. I see nothing practical, nothing useful in it. It is full of defining this, defining that sessions. And they are extremely long. Not a word about financial planning, not a word about community management (as chapter's community) nothing about volunteer recruitement, not a word about negotiating (as negotiating skills, including convincing techniques and other related knowledge) cost management (cost cutting, replanning), managerial approaches and attitudes (managerial skills and styles, best practices), etc. etc. The line is long. I see no practical skills discussed, except if the aim is to make us able to discuss chapter-related __theoretical__ things in a much deeper way than before. Ever. Nice to have clear visions for the future though but what this event covers is about 20% of what is called management altough I had to admit, it is the most interesting 20%. For me too. Cheers, Balazs *Balazs Viczian* Executive Vice President *Wikimédia Magyarország Egyesület* Tel: +36 70 633 6372 Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Web: www.wikimedia.hu Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazinhttp://huwiki.blogspot.hu Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia https://www.facebook.com/hu.wikipedia 2013/12/6 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com Hi Laura, Actually I hope both larger and smaller organisations will gain from this event. Larger organisations' boards certainly need training and support as much as smaller ones, though there are different challenges at different stages of development. I'm pleased to say of the people who have registered so far there is a broad mixture from three continents and I hope we will be able to fund as many people as possible. It would certainly be great if there was more support available for organisations just starting out, available for free. So far as I know, no-one has ever taken a synoptic look at the support and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations and tried to work out how to meet them. Who might take that on and how it might be funded is an open question. Regards, Chris Hi Chris, If there is only one Wikimedia Foundation board recognised thematic organization, why did you chose to use a plural? And The Wikinewsie Group has aff-comm recognition, and as the Board has never rejected an aff-comm recommendation, I don't particularly see the problem. What I do see as problematic is WM-UK organizing this conference, talking about chapters moving towards professionalism in the context of the Wikimedia Movement while charging chapters and a thematic organization to attend, selecting a hotel for participants to stay at that costs above the per diem rate that the WMF funds for, and then saying there is the expectation that it will not be an issue for people to attend with the high registration fee and high accomodation costs because these will not be incurred by individuals but by their organizations. As the Movement appears to be having a discussion about finacial responsibility and effect use of donor funds, that sort of approach appears to run counter to all of that. No explanation other than We talked down the price! appears to have been forth coming as to why a place was selected that costs roughly USD$200 a night. There is no agenda for this conference to understand why the conference is worth that expensive costs. The people presenting clearly are not in need of the conference as it is Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia DE, Wikimedia PL, Wikimedia France. These are by and large the chapters with FDC funding or access to independent sources of funding. They are clearly not being targetted for training. The people who appear to be targetted as attendees are ones who have no money... and you're off to charge them large amounts. I don't see how these costs, which you expect to be absorbed by donor funds, are a good use of those funds. I don't see how expecting people to incur expenses over around USD$850 to attend a two day conference ($400 for two nights, $65 for registration, $230 for a flight from somewhere close in Europe, $50 to get to the event from the airport, $100 in food) where the thing starts out by violating WMF guidelines. What knowledge exactly are you planning to pass on to people from less developed chapters? Fiscal responsibility, best use of donor funds, following WMF's best practices for grant funding... These are off the table? What else is there? Sincerely, Laura Hale On Friday, December 6, 2013, Chris Keating wrote: Hi Laura, you can bypass the registration fee by selecting other payment option in the way I said. In response to another off list query, I should point out that unfortunately this workshop is only open to existing (incorporated recognised) chapters/thorgs, not those still in planning or awaiting recognition. -- mobile: 635209416 twitter:
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
I'd keep it redirecting to http://www.wikipedia.org/ which I worked previously on to optimise for mobile. The only difference I'd make to the existing homepage is to reverse the media queries. Currently media queries are used to optimise the page for mobile phones. Unfortunately however if you have an old phone that doesn't support media queries you will get the old website. What would actually be better is to make mobile the default and use media queries for desktop computers to apply styles to turn the page into a more desktop friendly view. All modern browsers on desktop support media queries [1] and update more frequently then mobile devices. The only browsers you'd have to worry about is IE6-8 but there are conditional css tricks to get around this problem. I think previously I worked with Timo (Krinkle) to get this up and running. [1] http://caniuse.com/css-mediaqueries On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: I agree with James. I'd like to m.wikipedia land up at a portal with a language list and selector. +1 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
Ok, so it seems the redirect to WWW would be better than language auto-detect. Before I switch it from the English mobile (current) to WWW, we have to make sure that WWW is ready - as that would affect all mobile users. Jon, how much work do you think that would be? On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I'd keep it redirecting to http://www.wikipedia.org/ which I worked previously on to optimise for mobile. The only difference I'd make to the existing homepage is to reverse the media queries. Currently media queries are used to optimise the page for mobile phones. Unfortunately however if you have an old phone that doesn't support media queries you will get the old website. What would actually be better is to make mobile the default and use media queries for desktop computers to apply styles to turn the page into a more desktop friendly view. All modern browsers on desktop support media queries [1] and update more frequently then mobile devices. The only browsers you'd have to worry about is IE6-8 but there are conditional css tricks to get around this problem. I think previously I worked with Timo (Krinkle) to get this up and running. [1] http://caniuse.com/css-mediaqueries On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: I agree with James. I'd like to m.wikipedia land up at a portal with a language list and selector. +1 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop
Thanks Balazs! All 20 spaces on the workshop are now taken. :) On 6 Dec 2013 18:48, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu wrote: Hi all, As this event supposed to target guys like me, let me give you a short feedback about the program. I see nothing practical, nothing useful in it. It is full of defining this, defining that sessions. And they are extremely long. Not a word about financial planning, not a word about community management (as chapter's community) nothing about volunteer recruitement, not a word about negotiating (as negotiating skills, including convincing techniques and other related knowledge) cost management (cost cutting, replanning), managerial approaches and attitudes (managerial skills and styles, best practices), etc. etc. The line is long. I see no practical skills discussed, except if the aim is to make us able to discuss chapter-related __theoretical__ things in a much deeper way than before. Ever. Nice to have clear visions for the future though but what this event covers is about 20% of what is called management altough I had to admit, it is the most interesting 20%. For me too. Cheers, Balazs *Balazs Viczian* Executive Vice President *Wikimédia Magyarország Egyesület* Tel: +36 70 633 6372 Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Web: www.wikimedia.hu Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin http://huwiki.blogspot.hu Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia https://www.facebook.com/hu.wikipedia 2013/12/6 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com Hi Laura, Actually I hope both larger and smaller organisations will gain from this event. Larger organisations' boards certainly need training and support as much as smaller ones, though there are different challenges at different stages of development. I'm pleased to say of the people who have registered so far there is a broad mixture from three continents and I hope we will be able to fund as many people as possible. It would certainly be great if there was more support available for organisations just starting out, available for free. So far as I know, no-one has ever taken a synoptic look at the support and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations and tried to work out how to meet them. Who might take that on and how it might be funded is an open question. Regards, Chris Hi Chris, If there is only one Wikimedia Foundation board recognised thematic organization, why did you chose to use a plural? And The Wikinewsie Group has aff-comm recognition, and as the Board has never rejected an aff-comm recommendation, I don't particularly see the problem. What I do see as problematic is WM-UK organizing this conference, talking about chapters moving towards professionalism in the context of the Wikimedia Movement while charging chapters and a thematic organization to attend, selecting a hotel for participants to stay at that costs above the per diem rate that the WMF funds for, and then saying there is the expectation that it will not be an issue for people to attend with the high registration fee and high accomodation costs because these will not be incurred by individuals but by their organizations. As the Movement appears to be having a discussion about finacial responsibility and effect use of donor funds, that sort of approach appears to run counter to all of that. No explanation other than We talked down the price! appears to have been forth coming as to why a place was selected that costs roughly USD$200 a night. There is no agenda for this conference to understand why the conference is worth that expensive costs. The people presenting clearly are not in need of the conference as it is Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia DE, Wikimedia PL, Wikimedia France. These are by and large the chapters with FDC funding or access to independent sources of funding. They are clearly not being targetted for training. The people who appear to be targetted as attendees are ones who have no money... and you're off to charge them large amounts. I don't see how these costs, which you expect to be absorbed by donor funds, are a good use of those funds. I don't see how expecting people to incur expenses over around USD$850 to attend a two day conference ($400 for two nights, $65 for registration, $230 for a flight from somewhere close in Europe, $50 to get to the event from the airport, $100 in food) where the thing starts out by violating WMF guidelines. What knowledge exactly are you planning to pass on to people from less developed chapters? Fiscal responsibility, best use of donor funds, following WMF's best practices for grant funding... These are off the table? What else is there? Sincerely, Laura Hale On Friday, December 6, 2013, Chris Keating wrote: Hi Laura, you can bypass the registration fee by selecting other payment option in the way I said. In response to another
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
www.wikipedia.org sure. All these lang detectors can can not work properly in mobile devices and users shall have opportunity to have overriding settings for this site (e.g. i would like to see wiki sites in Ukrainian but my prefered language in browser is Russian for several reasons). --Base 06.12.2013 7:11, James Alexander написав(ла): On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.orgwrote: http://m.wikipedia.org used to be a hard-coded redirect to English en.m.wikipedia.org, except for the users in the Zero program. We now have an ability to have complex redirection for that domain. How do you think m.wikipedia.org should behave? We could redirect m. to ... * the current www.wikipedia.org, which seems to work pretty well on the smaller device screens * send users to the main page of the user's default language - based on the browser settings (Accept-Language header) - and later possibly even based on user's own language prefernces * ... Obviously it should be similar for other projects like wikinews, etc. I am not a big fan of building a full blown page at the m. URL, as that would involve much more work without a clear benefit - there are already www and main pages available, why build another one. Thanks! --Yuri Completely agree that building a new page would be silly, we can just adapt the portals themselves (already editable on meta) with some mobile specific styling if it becomes a problem I think. Personally I'd be a fan sending it to the main 'wikipedia.org' type landing page. Couple reasons (some larger then others): * I've never really been a fan of assuming that they want to go to a specific languages (biggest reason) * Finding 'other' languages on the main page of wikis (both mobile and not) is possible but significantly easier on the main portal screen. * I kinda like the idea of driving home, to anyone who visits that portal at least, how many different languages we have. I feel like it could take their fancy to check out some of the ones they may not have before (either now or later). James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Registration open for Chapter Board workshop
Well, this answer should be amongst the how not examples, worthy having an own topic itself. Another topic not related to the event but highly relevant for the answer from Chris: freebies. Obvious issue never spoken of. This event can be held anywhere in the world as long as it is free for the participants (no own money spent), you'll always have full house. You don't really need anything else than covering expenses. No problem with last minute programming, declined WMF funding or whatever. Expenses covered? They'll be there. Cheers, Balazs 2013/12/6 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com Thanks Balazs! All 20 spaces on the workshop are now taken. :) On 6 Dec 2013 18:48, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu wrote: Hi all, As this event supposed to target guys like me, let me give you a short feedback about the program. I see nothing practical, nothing useful in it. It is full of defining this, defining that sessions. And they are extremely long. Not a word about financial planning, not a word about community management (as chapter's community) nothing about volunteer recruitement, not a word about negotiating (as negotiating skills, including convincing techniques and other related knowledge) cost management (cost cutting, replanning), managerial approaches and attitudes (managerial skills and styles, best practices), etc. etc. The line is long. I see no practical skills discussed, except if the aim is to make us able to discuss chapter-related __theoretical__ things in a much deeper way than before. Ever. Nice to have clear visions for the future though but what this event covers is about 20% of what is called management altough I had to admit, it is the most interesting 20%. For me too. Cheers, Balazs *Balazs Viczian* Executive Vice President *Wikimédia Magyarország Egyesület* Tel: +36 70 633 6372 Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu Web: www.wikimedia.hu Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin http://huwiki.blogspot.hu Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia https://www.facebook.com/hu.wikipedia 2013/12/6 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com Hi Laura, Actually I hope both larger and smaller organisations will gain from this event. Larger organisations' boards certainly need training and support as much as smaller ones, though there are different challenges at different stages of development. I'm pleased to say of the people who have registered so far there is a broad mixture from three continents and I hope we will be able to fund as many people as possible. It would certainly be great if there was more support available for organisations just starting out, available for free. So far as I know, no-one has ever taken a synoptic look at the support and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations and tried to work out how to meet them. Who might take that on and how it might be funded is an open question. Regards, Chris Hi Chris, If there is only one Wikimedia Foundation board recognised thematic organization, why did you chose to use a plural? And The Wikinewsie Group has aff-comm recognition, and as the Board has never rejected an aff-comm recommendation, I don't particularly see the problem. What I do see as problematic is WM-UK organizing this conference, talking about chapters moving towards professionalism in the context of the Wikimedia Movement while charging chapters and a thematic organization to attend, selecting a hotel for participants to stay at that costs above the per diem rate that the WMF funds for, and then saying there is the expectation that it will not be an issue for people to attend with the high registration fee and high accomodation costs because these will not be incurred by individuals but by their organizations. As the Movement appears to be having a discussion about finacial responsibility and effect use of donor funds, that sort of approach appears to run counter to all of that. No explanation other than We talked down the price! appears to have been forth coming as to why a place was selected that costs roughly USD$200 a night. There is no agenda for this conference to understand why the conference is worth that expensive costs. The people presenting clearly are not in need of the conference as it is Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia DE, Wikimedia PL, Wikimedia France. These are by and large the chapters with FDC funding or access to independent sources of funding. They are clearly not being targetted for training. The people who appear to be targetted as attendees are ones who have no money... and you're off to charge them large amounts. I don't see how these costs, which you expect to be absorbed by donor funds, are a good use of those funds. I don't see how expecting people to incur expenses over
[Wikimedia-l] Mobile starting page design for Zero users
Zero http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero team would like
to be more involved with the community, and discuss the functionality of
the Zero starting page.
For Zero users, when visiting m.wikipedia.org, we have to show a custom
start page tailored to the specific mobile provider. A typical startup page
has a custom banner, e.g. Free Wikipedia provided by [Company], and a
list of common languages in that country. The language of the page is
always set to the provider's default language.
A partner suggested that we add some additional text on the startup page,
as otherwise the page looks empty and not very inspiring. That text would
be an HTML blob, similar to the WWW page, but significantly smaller due to
most devices having a tiny screen. The text would be different depending on
the default language set by the provider, and could also differ between
various projects - Wikipedia vs Wikinews. The text would be stored on
translatewiki, with the overrides residing in the project's MediaWiki: page.
The text could be a one sentence welcome to {{SITENAME}}, it could be
some famous quote, a news item, word of the day, link to featured article,
or anything else the community may decide to post. See sample screenshots
for
Androidhttp://media.crossbrowsertesting.com/users/47339/screenshots/full/zf03c69c9ea2c346cc28.png,
iPhonehttp://media.crossbrowsertesting.com/users/47339/screenshots/full/z219b703e8b6be6627b3.png,
iPadhttp://media.crossbrowsertesting.com/users/47339/screenshots/full/zf7c8f049d9edbfbab9a.png
)
What would be the best process to maintain that text? What other possible
customization would be needed to make this beneficial? Please keep in mind
that most of the users coming to this page will be directed there by the
carrier advertising Free Wikipedia, so a lot of new users.
P.S. If you think this discussion should be on
metahttp://meta.wikimedia.org/,
please let me know of the best location.
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On 12/06/2013 11:44 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: A typical startup page has a custom banner, e.g. Free Wikipedia provided by [Company], and a list of common languages in that country. I realize this is merely a minor aspect and might trigger a tedious debate, but Free Wikipedia is far from ideal. Wikipedia's tagline is the free encyclopedia, where free clearly points to libre, not gratis carrier coverage. By using free in a similar context, but entirely different meaning, we undermine this important distinction and create more confusion. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Free_Encyclopedia -- Tobias ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile starting page design for Zero users
Just to clarify - the banner text, unlike the rest of the page, is written and translated into many languages by the telecoms (see below). I'm much more concerned with how the community wants to work with the rest of that page and what text it should contain. ** English examples I have seen: Enjoy Browsing Wikipedia for free with Company Free Wikipedia access by Company Free Wikipedia access provided by Company Free Wikipedia from Company Wikipedia @ ZERO CHARGE from Company Wikipedia access offered by Company On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Tobias church.of.emacs...@googlemail.comwrote: On 12/06/2013 11:44 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: A typical startup page has a custom banner, e.g. Free Wikipedia provided by [Company], and a list of common languages in that country. I realize this is merely a minor aspect and might trigger a tedious debate, but Free Wikipedia is far from ideal. Wikipedia's tagline is the free encyclopedia, where free clearly points to libre, not gratis carrier coverage. By using free in a similar context, but entirely different meaning, we undermine this important distinction and create more confusion. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Free_Encyclopedia -- Tobias ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives
Minutes, slides and graphs from Wednesday's quarterly review of the Foundation's Growth (formerly Editor Engagement Experiments) team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Growth/December_2013 On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, to increase accountability and create more opportunities for course corrections and resourcing adjustments as necessary, Sue's asked me and Howie Fung to set up a quarterly project evaluation process, starting with our highest priority initiatives. These are, according to Sue's narrowing focus recommendations which were approved by the Board [1]: - Visual Editor - Mobile (mobile contributions + Wikipedia Zero) - Editor Engagement (also known as the E2 and E3 teams) - Funds Dissemination Committe and expanded grant-making capacity ... My goal is to do this in a manner where even though the quarterly review meetings themselves are internal, the outcomes are captured as meeting minutes and shared publicly, which is why I'm starting this discussion on a public list as well. I've created a wiki page here which we can use to discuss the concept further: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews The internal review will, at minimum, include: Sue Gardner myself Howie Fung Team members and relevant director(s) Designated minute-taker So for example, for Visual Editor, the review team would be the Visual Editor / Parsoid teams, Sue, me, Howie, Terry, and a minute-taker. I imagine the structure of the review roughly as follows, with a duration of about 2 1/2 hours divided into 25-30 minute blocks: - Brief team intro and recap of team's activities through the quarter, compared with goals - Drill into goals and targets: Did we achieve what we said we would? - Review of challenges, blockers and successes - Discussion of proposed changes (e.g. resourcing, targets) and other action items - Buffer time, debriefing Once again, the primary purpose of these reviews is to create improved structures for internal accountability, escalation points in cases where serious changes are necessary, and transparency to the world. In addition to these priority initiatives, my recommendation would be to conduct quarterly reviews for any activity that requires more than a set amount of resources (people/dollars). These additional reviews may however be conducted in a more lightweight manner and internally to the departments. We’re slowly getting into that habit in engineering. As we pilot this process, the format of the high priority reviews can help inform and support reviews across the organization. Feedback and questions are appreciated. All best, Erik [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vote:Narrowing_Focus [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months
Here is notice that this issue has been resolved. A few days ago Christian Aistleitner patched webstatscollector to filter bogus requests. After that I patched the raw data files since last July, substracting all bogus counts. For an in-depth analysis of recent pageview trends after correction see http://tinyurl.com/pmm66v4 I also marked the bug as resolved https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57980 Cheers, Erik Zachte ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
