Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people
Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when more people than the subject are recognizable in the photo. Certainly identification of people in the text is completely unnecessary if they are non-notable, so introducing tiers of notability might be an interesting idea (though someone marginally notable in the US is probably not notable elsewhere and the other way around) I still think that we need more discovery tools to allow people (BLP subjects and their extended contacts) to find out more about the text or photo they are interested in. We should do a lot more on complaint prevention, because as Phoebe said, we just don't have enough time to handle the complaints. 2013/12/15, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net: On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi Jane, I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users swing their weight around I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten different answers. All ten would probably have some truth in them, but any one in isolation would be inadequate. The list of problems becomes even longer for images. The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography. This new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such distinction for media, which I guess will result in lots of confusion about whether the scope includes images of unidentifiable people. It should, but ... Part of the problem in my view is that there is no notability requirements for identifiable persons appearing in images. While in the great majority of cases this is not really a problem, it does lead to very problematic things like pictures of people in states of undress, engaging in sexual activity, or doing something else their employer, family or local community might not be okay with, without any evidence of ongoing consent for that image to remain available. The only mechanism for getting rid of these is effectively for the subject of the image to email a stranger, provide evidence that they're the person in the image, ask nicely for it to be taken down, and hope to hell that the person is reasonable and doesn't play the It's educational and under a free licence, sorry! card. This is an issue that needs to be addressed because the status quo is entirely unsatisfactory. Of course, the immediate reaction on Commons to this seems to be Wikilawyering as to whether the resolution applies to galleries or not. Given that the BoT's intent is clearly that this should apply to everything, everywhere on all Wikimedia projects, this doesn't fill me with a great deal of hope that the Commons community as a whole is capable of adequately dealing with this. Cheers, Craig ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people
Hoi, I am really interested in how you think this will work out when Commons is going to use Wikidata. The planning is that in half a year the Wikidata team will start work on implementing something for Commons. It will include tagging. So for me a picture will be tagged and indicate who is in a picture. Consequently a person can be found in any language as long as you get the spelling right. As it is there are plenty of people of questionable notability in Wikidata and at the same time there are plenty notable people from many countries lacking. If the same criteria for notability for Americans is used for the rest of the world... the number of people known to Wikidata will grow a lot bigger. Thanks, GerardM On 15 December 2013 10:24, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when more people than the subject are recognizable in the photo. Certainly identification of people in the text is completely unnecessary if they are non-notable, so introducing tiers of notability might be an interesting idea (though someone marginally notable in the US is probably not notable elsewhere and the other way around) I still think that we need more discovery tools to allow people (BLP subjects and their extended contacts) to find out more about the text or photo they are interested in. We should do a lot more on complaint prevention, because as Phoebe said, we just don't have enough time to handle the complaints. 2013/12/15, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net: On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi Jane, I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users swing their weight around I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten different answers. All ten would probably have some truth in them, but any one in isolation would be inadequate. The list of problems becomes even longer for images. The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography. This new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such distinction for media, which I guess will result in lots of confusion about whether the scope includes images of unidentifiable people. It should, but ... Part of the problem in my view is that there is no notability requirements for identifiable persons appearing in images. While in the great majority of cases this is not really a problem, it does lead to very problematic things like pictures of people in states of undress, engaging in sexual activity, or doing something else their employer, family or local community might not be okay with, without any evidence of ongoing consent for that image to remain available. The only mechanism for getting rid of these is effectively for the subject of the image to email a stranger, provide evidence that they're the person in the image, ask nicely for it to be taken down, and hope to hell that the person is reasonable and doesn't play the It's educational and under a free licence, sorry! card. This is an issue that needs to be addressed because the status quo is entirely unsatisfactory. Of course, the immediate reaction on Commons to this seems to be Wikilawyering as to whether the resolution applies to galleries or not. Given that the BoT's intent is clearly that this should apply to everything, everywhere on all Wikimedia projects, this doesn't fill me with a great deal of hope that the Commons community as a whole is capable of adequately dealing with this. Cheers, Craig ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people
Well I was thinking of only tagging pictures that are controversial, but of course you could tag everything, I suppose. It would be simpler to tag categories, that way you have semi-automatic tagging of pictures of the top-tier (the Obama-tier and above) without having any problematic names in the description, and anything below that, well, we probably don't have those pictures in categories anyway, and we also don't really care if the names are on there or not, 2013/12/15, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, I am really interested in how you think this will work out when Commons is going to use Wikidata. The planning is that in half a year the Wikidata team will start work on implementing something for Commons. It will include tagging. So for me a picture will be tagged and indicate who is in a picture. Consequently a person can be found in any language as long as you get the spelling right. As it is there are plenty of people of questionable notability in Wikidata and at the same time there are plenty notable people from many countries lacking. If the same criteria for notability for Americans is used for the rest of the world... the number of people known to Wikidata will grow a lot bigger. Thanks, GerardM On 15 December 2013 10:24, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when more people than the subject are recognizable in the photo. Certainly identification of people in the text is completely unnecessary if they are non-notable, so introducing tiers of notability might be an interesting idea (though someone marginally notable in the US is probably not notable elsewhere and the other way around) I still think that we need more discovery tools to allow people (BLP subjects and their extended contacts) to find out more about the text or photo they are interested in. We should do a lot more on complaint prevention, because as Phoebe said, we just don't have enough time to handle the complaints. 2013/12/15, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net: On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi Jane, I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users swing their weight around I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten different answers. All ten would probably have some truth in them, but any one in isolation would be inadequate. The list of problems becomes even longer for images. The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography. This new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such distinction for media, which I guess will result in lots of confusion about whether the scope includes images of unidentifiable people. It should, but ... Part of the problem in my view is that there is no notability requirements for identifiable persons appearing in images. While in the great majority of cases this is not really a problem, it does lead to very problematic things like pictures of people in states of undress, engaging in sexual activity, or doing something else their employer, family or local community might not be okay with, without any evidence of ongoing consent for that image to remain available. The only mechanism for getting rid of these is effectively for the subject of the image to email a stranger, provide evidence that they're the person in the image, ask nicely for it to be taken down, and hope to hell that the person is reasonable and doesn't play the It's educational and under a free licence, sorry! card. This is an issue that needs to be addressed because the status quo is entirely unsatisfactory. Of course, the immediate reaction on Commons to this seems to be Wikilawyering as to whether the resolution applies to galleries or not. Given that the BoT's intent is clearly that this should apply to everything, everywhere on all Wikimedia projects, this doesn't fill me with a great deal of hope that the Commons community as a whole is capable of adequately dealing with this. Cheers, Craig ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
Quote from full announcement http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html We have released over a million imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised by Microsofthttp://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters, colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that even we are not aware of. Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/ Example of all images from a book http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory So... :-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
Thanks for the news. A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do something with a better usability of Flickr? - The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so? The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for crowdsourcing information and knowledge: We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content. http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html Best regards, Jens 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com Quote from full announcement http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html We have released over a million imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised by Microsoft http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters, colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that even we are not aware of. Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/ Example of all images from a book http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory So... :-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred instead of Commons. http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/ 2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de Thanks for the news. A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do something with a better usability of Flickr? - The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so? The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for crowdsourcing information and knowledge: We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content. http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html Best regards, Jens 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com Quote from full announcement http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html We have released over a million imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised by Microsoft http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters, colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that even we are not aware of. Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/ Example of all images from a book http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory So... :-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
On 15/12/2013 17:05, Jens Best wrote: Thanks for the news. A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? This: We plan to launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe what the images portray. The images release contained no image-level metadata == One million uncategorised images == Commons community raise up in arms Katie -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
There’s been quite a lot of discussion of this on the cultural-partners mailing list (https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners). As a result of that, Tom Morris has set up a working page on Commons at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection Thanks, Mike On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:37, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred instead of Commons. http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/ 2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de Thanks for the news. A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do something with a better usability of Flickr? - The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so? The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for crowdsourcing information and knowledge: We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content. http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html Best regards, Jens 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com Quote from full announcement http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html We have released over a million imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised by Microsoft http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters, colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that even we are not aware of. Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/ Example of all images from a book http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory So... :-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
2013/12/15 Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info: We plan to launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe what the images portray. The images release contained no image-level metadata == One million uncategorised images == Commons community raise up in arms It does not really make a difference whether you release a million images without metadata to Flickr, or to Commons. It comes without any metadata, so it cannot be searched (and images cannot be found) in either case. :( Regards, Jürgen. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
Just discovered the Commons project-site, too. Good to break down the massive amount of unsorted material in countries first. Could help to address interested editors quicker. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection Jens 2013/12/15 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net There’s been quite a lot of discussion of this on the cultural-partners mailing list (https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners). As a result of that, Tom Morris has set up a working page on Commons at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection Thanks, Mike On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:37, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred instead of Commons. http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/ 2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de Thanks for the news. A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do something with a better usability of Flickr? - The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so? The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for crowdsourcing information and knowledge: We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content. http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html Best regards, Jens 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com Quote from full announcement http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html We have released over a million imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised by Microsoft http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspx who then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters, colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that even we are not aware of. Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/ Example of all images from a book http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory So... :-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.best http://goog_17221883@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
On 15 December 2013 16:08, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com quoted: We have released over a million imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons Please note that we have a project page, for discussion of importing these images to Commons in a sensible manner: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
I was just about to respond with this :-) I discussed this with the BL team a few weeks before the release, and while we could sort out the technical issues of a million items fairly easily, it looked like the lack of metadata would make them very unsuited for Commons. There's nothing stopping us harvesting them individually, of course, but I think adding a million unidentified images and saying the community will sort them out would be a very quick road to my getting beaten up ;-) Andrew. On 15 December 2013 17:37, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred instead of Commons. http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/ 2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de Thanks for the news. A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do something with a better usability of Flickr? - The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so? The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for crowdsourcing information and knowledge: We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content. http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html Best regards, Jens 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com Quote from full announcement http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html We have released over a million imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised by Microsofthttp://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters, colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that even we are not aware of. Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/ Example of all images from a book http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory So... :-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.b...@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. -- -- Jens Best Präsidium Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: jens.b...@wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Commons-l mailing list common...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
On 15 December 2013 17:39, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: The images release contained no image-level metadata == One million uncategorised images == Commons community raise up in arms The images contain metadata, which could be used for categorisation,at the book level. The whole point of the wiki model is that we make incremental steps towards completion. An analogy could be drawn with Wikipedia's stub articles. It's not good for us to lobby institutions to release media, and then decline to accept it. I would have liked the release to have been direct to Commons; at least, I would have liked the opportunity to debate whether to accept it. I hope that the next tome such an release is being considered, we will be in a better position to facilitate the former. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people
While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the resolution and about the ways it can be implemented in on-wiki processes, I would like to raise a different question. I note with some interest that Jimmy's vote is not recorded at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people, and I wonder what are the exact reasons behind that, and how this lack of information relates to a March 30, 2012 resolution on Board of Trustees Voting Transparency, https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Board_of_Trustees_Voting_Transparency. Perhaps it might also be worth mentioning that there are two additional resolutions approved after March 30, 2012 that do not comply with the Voting Transparency resolution: * https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Stu_West_reappointment_2013 * https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Jan-Bart_de_Vreede_reappointment_2013 I believe that the Board or Foundation lawyers might want to have a look at those. Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images
On 15 December 2013 19:36, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: The images contain metadata, which could be used for categorisation,at the book level. Not that useful. If you look at the images a lot are simply decorations and there are a fair number of duplications. The whole point of the wiki model is that we make incremental steps towards completion. An analogy could be drawn with Wikipedia's stub articles. Commons already has 19 million images to make incremental steps on. En.Wikipedia has 4.4 million articles total, even the stubs are a lot more searchable and it has more people. It's not good for us to lobby institutions to release media, and then decline to accept it. So we need to decide in advance what we are looking at. With 19 million already we've reach the stage where we should probably be more selective. I would have liked the release to have been direct to Commons; at least, I would have liked the opportunity to debate whether to accept it. I hope that the next tome such an release is being considered, we will be in a better position to facilitate the former. Having the images on flickr isn't too bad. They are still searchable and fairly easy to import although my search results have been turning up less than 1% that area really of interest an even then the quality isn't always usable. -- geni ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] National Museum of Korea releases images of artifacts and old books.
Hello, folks. The National Museum of Korea announce high quality images of 7,300 artifacts would be released. And they will release the 100 thousands pages of old books. They said the material will be available for commercial uses. But the exact license term is not known. http://www.museum.go.kr/program/board/detail.jsp?menuID=001009001boardTypeID=32originalBoardTypeID=28boardID=19154 I hope I could find the images on Commons. Cheol ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_151#Resolution:Media_about_living_people Hope this helps. Jee On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the resolution and about the ways it can be implemented in on-wiki processes, I would like to raise a different question. I note with some interest that Jimmy's vote is not recorded at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people, and I wonder what are the exact reasons behind that, and how this lack of information relates to a March 30, 2012 resolution on Board of Trustees Voting Transparency, https://wikimediafoundation. org/wiki/Resolution:Board_of_Trustees_Voting_Transparency. Perhaps it might also be worth mentioning that there are two additional resolutions approved after March 30, 2012 that do not comply with the Voting Transparency resolution: * https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Stu_West_ reappointment_2013 * https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Jan-Bart_ de_Vreede_reappointment_2013 I believe that the Board or Foundation lawyers might want to have a look at those. Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the resolution and about the ways it can be implemented in on-wiki processes, I would like to raise a different question. I note with some interest that Jimmy's vote is not recorded at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people, and I wonder what are the exact reasons behind that He was only able to attend part of the meeting and so missed this vote -- he should have been marked as absent. -- phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
