Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-15 Thread Jane Darnell
Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until
Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing
in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It
should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when
more people than the subject are recognizable in the photo. Certainly
identification of people in the text is completely unnecessary if they
are non-notable, so introducing tiers of notability might be an
interesting idea (though someone marginally notable in the US is
probably not notable elsewhere and the other way around)

I still think that we need more discovery tools to allow people (BLP
subjects and their extended contacts) to find out more about the text
or photo they are interested in. We should do a lot more on complaint
prevention, because as Phoebe said, we just don't have enough time to
handle the complaints.

2013/12/15, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net:
 On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin
 cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:
  Hi Jane,
 
  I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP
  problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia users
  swing their weight around
 
 
  I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the
  reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten different answers.  All
 ten
  would probably have some truth in them, but any one in isolation would
  be
  inadequate.

 The list of problems becomes even longer for images.

 The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about
 identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography.  This
 new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such
 distinction for media, which I guess will result in lots of confusion
 about whether the scope includes images of unidentifiable people.  It
 should, but ...


 Part of the problem in my view is that there is no notability requirements
 for identifiable persons appearing in images.  While in the great majority
 of cases this is not really a problem, it does lead to very problematic
 things like pictures of people in states of undress, engaging in sexual
 activity, or doing something else their employer, family or local community
 might not be okay with, without any evidence of ongoing consent for that
 image to remain available.  The only mechanism for getting rid of these is
 effectively for the subject of the image to email a stranger, provide
 evidence that they're the person in the image, ask nicely for it to be
 taken down, and hope to hell that the person is reasonable and doesn't play
 the It's educational and under a free licence, sorry! card.  This is an
 issue that needs to be addressed because the status quo is entirely
 unsatisfactory.

 Of course, the immediate reaction on Commons to this seems to be
 Wikilawyering as to whether the resolution applies to galleries or not.
  Given that the BoT's intent is clearly that this should apply to
 everything, everywhere on all Wikimedia projects, this doesn't fill me with
 a great deal of hope that the Commons community as a whole is capable of
 adequately dealing with this.

 Cheers,
 Craig
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
I am really interested in how you think this will work out when Commons is
going to use Wikidata. The planning is that in half a year the Wikidata
team will start work on implementing something for Commons. It will include
tagging. So for me a picture will be tagged and indicate who is in a
picture. Consequently a person can be found in any language as long as you
get the spelling right.

As it is there are plenty of people of questionable notability in Wikidata
and at the same time there are plenty notable people from many countries
lacking. If the same criteria for notability for Americans is used for the
rest of the world... the number of people known to Wikidata will grow a lot
bigger.
Thanks,
  GerardM


On 15 December 2013 10:24, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until
 Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing
 in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It
 should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when
 more people than the subject are recognizable in the photo. Certainly
 identification of people in the text is completely unnecessary if they
 are non-notable, so introducing tiers of notability might be an
 interesting idea (though someone marginally notable in the US is
 probably not notable elsewhere and the other way around)

 I still think that we need more discovery tools to allow people (BLP
 subjects and their extended contacts) to find out more about the text
 or photo they are interested in. We should do a lot more on complaint
 prevention, because as Phoebe said, we just don't have enough time to
 handle the complaints.

 2013/12/15, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net:
  On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin
  cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:
   Hi Jane,
  
   I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP
   problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia
 users
   swing their weight around
  
  
   I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the
   reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten different answers.
  All
  ten
   would probably have some truth in them, but any one in isolation would
   be
   inadequate.
 
  The list of problems becomes even longer for images.
 
  The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about
  identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography.  This
  new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such
  distinction for media, which I guess will result in lots of confusion
  about whether the scope includes images of unidentifiable people.  It
  should, but ...
 
 
  Part of the problem in my view is that there is no notability
 requirements
  for identifiable persons appearing in images.  While in the great
 majority
  of cases this is not really a problem, it does lead to very problematic
  things like pictures of people in states of undress, engaging in sexual
  activity, or doing something else their employer, family or local
 community
  might not be okay with, without any evidence of ongoing consent for that
  image to remain available.  The only mechanism for getting rid of these
 is
  effectively for the subject of the image to email a stranger, provide
  evidence that they're the person in the image, ask nicely for it to be
  taken down, and hope to hell that the person is reasonable and doesn't
 play
  the It's educational and under a free licence, sorry! card.  This is an
  issue that needs to be addressed because the status quo is entirely
  unsatisfactory.
 
  Of course, the immediate reaction on Commons to this seems to be
  Wikilawyering as to whether the resolution applies to galleries or not.
   Given that the BoT's intent is clearly that this should apply to
  everything, everywhere on all Wikimedia projects, this doesn't fill me
 with
  a great deal of hope that the Commons community as a whole is capable of
  adequately dealing with this.
 
  Cheers,
  Craig
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-15 Thread Jane Darnell
Well I was thinking of only tagging pictures that are controversial,
but of course you could tag everything, I suppose. It would be simpler
to tag categories, that way you have semi-automatic tagging of
pictures of the top-tier (the Obama-tier and above) without having any
problematic names in the description, and anything below that, well,
we probably don't have those pictures in categories anyway, and we
also don't really care if the names are on there or not,

2013/12/15, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
 Hoi,
 I am really interested in how you think this will work out when Commons is
 going to use Wikidata. The planning is that in half a year the Wikidata
 team will start work on implementing something for Commons. It will include
 tagging. So for me a picture will be tagged and indicate who is in a
 picture. Consequently a person can be found in any language as long as you
 get the spelling right.

 As it is there are plenty of people of questionable notability in Wikidata
 and at the same time there are plenty notable people from many countries
 lacking. If the same criteria for notability for Americans is used for the
 rest of the world... the number of people known to Wikidata will grow a lot
 bigger.
 Thanks,
   GerardM


 On 15 December 2013 10:24, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Craig, Phoebe, and Yaroslav, those are all very good points. Until
 Google improves its image-recognition software, most photos appearing
 in google images are triggered by text in the image description. It
 should be easy to tag problematic image desriptions, especially when
 more people than the subject are recognizable in the photo. Certainly
 identification of people in the text is completely unnecessary if they
 are non-notable, so introducing tiers of notability might be an
 interesting idea (though someone marginally notable in the US is
 probably not notable elsewhere and the other way around)

 I still think that we need more discovery tools to allow people (BLP
 subjects and their extended contacts) to find out more about the text
 or photo they are interested in. We should do a lot more on complaint
 prevention, because as Phoebe said, we just don't have enough time to
 handle the complaints.

 2013/12/15, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net:
  On 15 December 2013 02:54, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Craig Franklin
  cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:
   Hi Jane,
  
   I am concerned about the issue surrounding the comment the real BLP
   problems happen when heavyweight (in edit count terms) Wikipedia
 users
   swing their weight around
  
  
   I think the problem is that if you ask ten different people about the
   reason why we have BLP problems, you'll get ten different answers.
  All
  ten
   would probably have some truth in them, but any one in isolation
   would
   be
   inadequate.
 
  The list of problems becomes even longer for images.
 
  The 2009 resolution on biographies of living people was about
  identifiable people, given they were the subject of a biography.  This
  new 'media about living people' resolution doesn't make any such
  distinction for media, which I guess will result in lots of confusion
  about whether the scope includes images of unidentifiable people.  It
  should, but ...
 
 
  Part of the problem in my view is that there is no notability
 requirements
  for identifiable persons appearing in images.  While in the great
 majority
  of cases this is not really a problem, it does lead to very problematic
  things like pictures of people in states of undress, engaging in sexual
  activity, or doing something else their employer, family or local
 community
  might not be okay with, without any evidence of ongoing consent for that
  image to remain available.  The only mechanism for getting rid of these
 is
  effectively for the subject of the image to email a stranger, provide
  evidence that they're the person in the image, ask nicely for it to be
  taken down, and hope to hell that the person is reasonable and doesn't
 play
  the It's educational and under a free licence, sorry! card.  This is
  an
  issue that needs to be addressed because the status quo is entirely
  unsatisfactory.
 
  Of course, the immediate reaction on Commons to this seems to be
  Wikilawyering as to whether the resolution applies to galleries or not.
   Given that the BoT's intent is clearly that this should apply to
  everything, everywhere on all Wikimedia projects, this doesn't fill me
 with
  a great deal of hope that the Commons community as a whole is capable of
  adequately dealing with this.
 
  Cheers,
  Craig
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[Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
Quote from full announcement
http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

We have released over a million
imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
 were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised
 by 
 Microsofthttp://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
  then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
 them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling
 mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
 illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
 colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that
 even we are not aware of.


Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
Example of all images from a book
http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory

So... :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Jens Best
Thanks for the news.

A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
something with a better usability of Flickr? -

The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?

The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for us
to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
crowdsourcing information and knowledge:

We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display these
'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to launch a
crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe
what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train
automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content.

http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

Best regards,

Jens






2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com

 Quote from full announcement

 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

 We have released over a million
 imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
 for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
  were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised
  by Microsoft
 http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
 then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
  them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling
  mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
  illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
  colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that
  even we are not aware of.


 Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
 Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
 Example of all images from a book
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory

 So... :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Jens Best
Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred
instead of Commons.
http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/


2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de

 Thanks for the news.

 A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
 Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
 something with a better usability of Flickr? -

 The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
 attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?

 The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for
 us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
 crowdsourcing information and knowledge:

 We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display
 these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to
 launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help
 describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to
 train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content.


 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

 Best regards,

 Jens






 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com

 Quote from full announcement

 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

 We have released over a million
 imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
 for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
  were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised
  by Microsoft
 http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
 then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
  them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a
 startling
  mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
  illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
  colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more
 that
  even we are not aware of.


 Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
 Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
 Example of all images from a book
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory

 So... :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Katie Chan

On 15/12/2013 17:05, Jens Best wrote:

Thanks for the news.

A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons?


This:


We plan to launch a
crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe
what the images portray.


The images release contained no image-level metadata == One million 
uncategorised images == Commons community raise up in arms



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Michael Peel
There’s been quite a lot of discussion of this on the cultural-partners mailing 
list (https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners). As a 
result of that, Tom Morris has set up a working page on Commons at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection

Thanks,
Mike

On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:37, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred
 instead of Commons.
 http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/
 
 
 2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de
 
 Thanks for the news.
 
 A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
 Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
 something with a better usability of Flickr? -
 
 The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
 attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?
 
 The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for
 us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
 crowdsourcing information and knowledge:
 
 We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display
 these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to
 launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help
 describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to
 train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content.
 
 
 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html
 
 Best regards,
 
 Jens
 
 
 
 
 
 
 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com
 
 Quote from full announcement
 
 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html
 
 We have released over a million
 imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
 for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
 were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised
 by Microsoft
 http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
 then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
 them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a
 startling
 mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
 illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
 colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more
 that
 even we are not aware of.
 
 
 Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
 Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
 Example of all images from a book
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory
 
 So... :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Juergen Fenn
2013/12/15 Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info:

 We plan to launch a
 crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe
 what the images portray.


 The images release contained no image-level metadata == One million
 uncategorised images == Commons community raise up in arms

It does not really make a difference whether you release a million
images without metadata to Flickr, or to Commons. It comes without any
metadata, so it cannot be searched (and images cannot be found) in
either case. :(

Regards,
Jürgen.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Jens Best
Just discovered the Commons project-site, too. Good to break down the
massive amount of unsorted material in countries first. Could help to
address interested editors quicker.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection

Jens


2013/12/15 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net

 There’s been quite a lot of discussion of this on the cultural-partners
 mailing list (https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners).
 As a result of that, Tom Morris has set up a working page on Commons at:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection

 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:37, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:

  Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred
  instead of Commons.
  http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/
 
 
  2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de
 
  Thanks for the news.
 
  A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the
 British
  Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
  something with a better usability of Flickr? -
 
  The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
  attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?
 
  The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for
  us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
  crowdsourcing information and knowledge:
 
  We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display
  these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to
  launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to
 help
  describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to
  train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the
 content.
 
 
 
 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html
 
  Best regards,
 
  Jens
 
 
 
 
 
 
  2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com
 
  Quote from full announcement
 
 
 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html
 
  We have released over a million
  imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
  for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
  were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books
 digitised
  by Microsoft
 
 http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspx
 who
  then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
  them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a
  startling
  mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
  illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
  colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more
  that
  even we are not aware of.
 
 
  Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
  Example of image
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
  Example of all images from a book
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
  Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory
 
  So... :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 15 December 2013 16:08, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com quoted:

 We have released over a million
 imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons

Please note that we have a project page, for discussion of importing
these images to Commons in a sensible manner:

   
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Andrew Gray
I was just about to respond with this :-)

I discussed this with the BL team a few weeks before the release, and
while we could sort out the technical issues of a million items fairly
easily, it looked like the lack of metadata would make them very
unsuited for Commons.

There's nothing stopping us harvesting them individually, of course,
but I think adding a million unidentified images and saying the
community will sort them out would be a very quick road to my getting
beaten up ;-)

Andrew.

On 15 December 2013 17:37, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:
 Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred
 instead of Commons.
 http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/


 2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de

 Thanks for the news.

 A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
 Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
 something with a better usability of Flickr? -

 The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
 attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?

 The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for
 us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
 crowdsourcing information and knowledge:

 We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display
 these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to
 launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help
 describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train
 automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content.


 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

 Best regards,

 Jens






 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com

 Quote from full announcement

 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

 We have released over a million
 imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
 for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
  were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books
  digitised
  by
  Microsofthttp://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
  then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
  them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a
  startling
  mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
  illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
  colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more
  that
  even we are not aware of.


 Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
 Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
 Example of all images from a book
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory

 So... :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 15 December 2013 17:39, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote:

 The images release contained no image-level metadata == One million
 uncategorised images == Commons community raise up in arms

The images contain metadata, which could be used for categorisation,at
the book level.

The whole point of the wiki model is that we make incremental steps
towards completion.

An analogy could be drawn with Wikipedia's stub articles.

It's not good for us to lobby institutions to release media, and then
decline to accept it.

I would have liked the release to have been direct to Commons; at
least, I would have liked the opportunity to debate whether to accept
it. I hope that the next tome such an release is being considered, we
will be in a better position to facilitate the former.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-15 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the 
resolution and about the ways it can be implemented in on-wiki 
processes, I would like to raise a different question.


I note with some interest that Jimmy's vote is not recorded at 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people, 
and I wonder what are the exact reasons behind that, and how this lack 
of information relates to a March 30, 2012 resolution on Board of 
Trustees Voting Transparency, 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Board_of_Trustees_Voting_Transparency.


Perhaps it might also be worth mentioning that there are two additional 
resolutions approved after March 30, 2012 that do not comply with the 
Voting Transparency resolution:


* 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Stu_West_reappointment_2013
* 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Jan-Bart_de_Vreede_reappointment_2013


I believe that the Board or Foundation lawyers might want to have a look 
at those.


  Tomasz

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

2013-12-15 Thread geni
On 15 December 2013 19:36, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 The images contain metadata, which could be used for categorisation,at
 the book level.


Not that useful.

If you look at the images a lot are simply decorations and there are a fair
number of duplications.




 The whole point of the wiki model is that we make incremental steps
 towards completion.

 An analogy could be drawn with Wikipedia's stub articles.


Commons already has 19 million images to make incremental steps on.
En.Wikipedia has 4.4 million articles total, even the stubs are a lot more
searchable and it has more people.



 It's not good for us to lobby institutions to release media, and then
 decline to accept it.


So we need to decide in advance what we are looking at. With 19 million
already we've reach the stage where we should probably be more selective.




 I would have liked the release to have been direct to Commons; at
 least, I would have liked the opportunity to debate whether to accept
 it. I hope that the next tome such an release is being considered, we
 will be in a better position to facilitate the former.


Having the images on flickr isn't too bad. They are still searchable and
fairly easy to import although my search results have been turning up less
than 1% that area really of interest an even then the quality isn't always
usable.



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[Wikimedia-l] National Museum of Korea releases images of artifacts and old books.

2013-12-15 Thread RYU Cheol
Hello, folks.

The National Museum of Korea announce high quality images of 7,300
artifacts would be released. And they will release the 100 thousands pages
of old books. They said the material will be available for commercial uses.
But the exact license term is not known.


http://www.museum.go.kr/program/board/detail.jsp?menuID=001009001boardTypeID=32originalBoardTypeID=28boardID=19154

I hope I could find the images on Commons.

Cheol
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-15 Thread Jeevan Jose
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_151#Resolution:Media_about_living_people

Hope this helps.

Jee


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net
 wrote:

 While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the
 resolution and about the ways it can be implemented in on-wiki processes, I
 would like to raise a different question.

 I note with some interest that Jimmy's vote is not recorded at 
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people,
 and I wonder what are the exact reasons behind that, and how this lack of
 information relates to a March 30, 2012 resolution on Board of Trustees
 Voting Transparency, https://wikimediafoundation.
 org/wiki/Resolution:Board_of_Trustees_Voting_Transparency.

 Perhaps it might also be worth mentioning that there are two additional
 resolutions approved after March 30, 2012 that do not comply with the
 Voting Transparency resolution:

 * https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Stu_West_
 reappointment_2013
 * https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Jan-Bart_
 de_Vreede_reappointment_2013

 I believe that the Board or Foundation lawyers might want to have a look
 at those.

   Tomasz


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-15 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski
tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote:
 While I appreciate the lengthy discussion about the scope of the resolution
 and about the ways it can be implemented in on-wiki processes, I would like
 to raise a different question.

 I note with some interest that Jimmy's vote is not recorded at
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Media_about_living_people,
 and I wonder what are the exact reasons behind that

He was only able to attend part of the meeting and so missed this vote
-- he should have been marked as absent.

-- phoebe

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