Re: [Wikimedia-l] images deletedfrom WikiCommons

2013-12-29 Thread Ting Chen
Great move WMIL. This is I think an excellent example of great chapter work. Greetings Ting Am 29.12.2013 06:19, schrieb Michal Lester: Hi, As some of you know, images are been deleted in the past month from WikiCommons due to a change in the ruling of the United States Supreme Court. (The

[Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread James Salsman
Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes and start buying datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for instance? Ref.: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-nsa-has-back-doors-for-numerous-devices-a-940994.html Best regards, James

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread geni
On 29 December 2013 12:55, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes The WMF doesn't. and start buying datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for instance? Ref.:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 5:17 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 December 2013 12:55, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes The WMF doesn't. and start buying datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 4:55 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes and start buying datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for instance? Ref.:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
2013/12/29 Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 5:17 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 December 2013 12:55, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes The WMF doesn't. and start buying datacenter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com wrote: Naw, it's a great idea. Let's switch to building our own ARM-based servers (by the way, which have already been a flop commercially), using only unproven, low-volume available motherboards and having to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-29 Thread
On 29 Dec 2013 22:43, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: Can nobody stop the URAA Copyright trolls mass deleting perfect fine files on Commons? I think it would be the best if _all_ URAA affected files would be kept until a DMCA take down notice. Your proposal would be more useful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-29 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.comwrote: But in the case of in the country of origin PD works which are foreign government works it is needed that the WMF clearly speaks out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread ???
On 29/12/2013 22:41, Philippe Beaudette wrote: On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com wrote: Naw, it's a great idea. Let's switch to building our own ARM-based servers (by the way, which have already been a flop commercially), using only unproven,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-29 Thread Samuel Klein
On Dec 29, 2013 5:51 PM, Fæ faewik+comm...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 Dec 2013 22:43, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it would be the best if _all_ URAA affected files would be kept until a DMCA take down notice. Your proposal would be more useful made with the Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Tim Starling
On 29/12/13 23:55, James Salsman wrote: Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes and start buying datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for instance? Ref.:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-29 Thread Pierre-Selim
I'm sorry about your problem Klaus, however I think that you won't get anywhere by calling people trolls. 2013/12/30 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com On Dec 29, 2013 5:51 PM, Fæ faewik+comm...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 Dec 2013 22:43, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Jasper Deng
The WMF's servers have nothing to do with Microsoft. There do exist alternative processor architectures, not even just ARM (Itanium (probably too expensive), Tilera (massively parallel)), but I don't think migrating our software (particularly Labs' virtualization-related software) to them is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread James Salsman
When this came up last time, it turned out that there was some kind of a deal in place, and certainly many if not most published pictures of the Wikimedia data center feature rows of shiny Dell logos. But Dell does support Microsoft and the NSA, obviously, and also supports some very creative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Dan Rosenthal
*And as much as I personally appreciate Wikimedia staff, I am inclined* *to agree with the sentiment that perhaps we should hire more staff until we get some who believe that it wouldn't cost $100,000 totransition to less expensive hardware. And maybe some people who know how to order chassis?*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Jasper Deng
but the fact is it doesn't cost more money to switch to ARM, and you jettison a bunch of legacy x86 crap that nobody uses but take millions of transistors which need to be powered. ARM is not compatible with a lot of our software, and besides if we really wanted power efficiency we could instead

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Tim Starling
On 30/12/13 14:55, James Salsman wrote: If you don't like Cubietrucks, then how about RADXA? At least with http://dl.radxa.com/rock/docs/hw/RADXA_ROCK_schematic_20130903.pdf you know exactly what you're getting and it doesn't cost a huge power bill. Maximum 100 Mbps ethernet connection.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread George William Herbert
On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Leslie Carr wrote: At that point we'll probably need to redesign those boards which are incapable of doing these things, so we'll need a team of hardware engineers, plus a deal with a manufacturing plant. Google

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread James Salsman
Maximum 100 Mbps ethernet connection We should be using fiber, which also costs less power and is orders of magnitude faster. If the words enterprise-class actually mean something more than much larger markup than purchasing components then go with something like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Jasper Deng
It's not like we have anything special (or x86-specific, Jasper!) other than very high bandwidth. Wikimedia Labs uses x86 hardware virtualization (just one example). We already have transit linkages that include fiber, and new fiber is far from cheap. You persist in ignoring the costs of buying

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread James Salsman
... Wikimedia Labs uses x86 hardware virtualization (just one example) How does that tie us to x86? http://www.eweek.com/servers/arm-server-chips-get-xen-virtualization-support/ ... a conservative $200/server estimate I have been recommending hardware which costs closer to $70 per server

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Jasper Deng
How does that tie us to x86? We don't use Xen, nor is that guaranteed to give us acceptable performance. closer to $70 Please justify that claim (that would be the cost of the CPU or hard disk alone). You haven't even given us a compelling reason to spend any money at all on this. On Sun, Dec

[Wikimedia-l] Data privacy, encrypted links and recent change captures

2013-12-29 Thread John Vandenberg
We know NSA wants Wikipedia data, as Wikipedia is listed in one of the NSA slides: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KS8-001.jpg That slide is about HTTP, and the tech staff are moving the user/reader base to HTTPS. As we learn more about the NSA programs, we need to consider vectors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Data privacy, encrypted links and recent change captures

2013-12-29 Thread Jasper Deng
SSL makes it more difficult; some private wikis are already restricted to SSL. We also have to consider that irc.wikimedia.org has a recent changes feed. At minimum, the transit links should be encrypted if feasible. A good reason not to encrypt is that it's extra performance overhead. On Sun,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread John Vandenberg
Putting aside the 'tax' aspect, whether or not there is a backdoor in the shipped product is not the point of the article you linked to James. NSA is intercepting hardware deliveries and adding backdoors while it is enroute from supplier to customer. Buying new equipment gives NSA a new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-29 Thread James Salsman
Jasper, if you can't write an email or pick up the phone asking for a hardware quote without supporting the status quo of the Foundation datacenter being a monument to the poster boy of corporate tax abuses, Microsoft OEM bundling abuses, and NSA collaboration, I really can't help you. If you're