Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread John Vandenberg
James, Jasper asked you to justify your claim of $70 per server vs his $200 per server. Does $70 buy the same processing power? What support comes with it? etc. On Dec 30, 2013 2:53 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Jasper, if you can't write an email or pick up the phone asking for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread FastLizard4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [Replies inline with quoted message(s)] On 12/29/2013 11:53 PM, James Salsman wrote: Jasper, if you can't write an email or pick up the phone asking for a hardware quote without supporting the status quo of the Foundation datacenter being a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread Oliver Keyes
Can you provide any evidence that doesn't fail to address software compatibility or non-power related costs, doesn't feature the word assume, isn't based solely on evidence from the manufacturer of the machine and is less than 3 years old? I suspect this is a non-starter from the get-go and will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread Craig Franklin
Jasper has tried to give you honest, useful information based on his actual experience and expertise in the matter, without drawing too much attention to your clear lack of knowledge on this topic. He deserves better than sarcasm and insults from you. Regards, Craig On 30 December 2013 17:53,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread MZMcBride
Craig Franklin wrote: Jasper has tried to give you honest, useful information based on his actual experience and expertise in the matter, without drawing too much attention to your clear lack of knowledge on this topic. He deserves better than sarcasm and insults from you. Quite. [...] the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, 2013/12/30 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com On Dec 29, 2013 5:51 PM, Fæ faewik+comm...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 Dec 2013 22:43, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it would be the best if _all_ URAA affected files would be kept until a DMCA take down notice. Your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Yann Forget wrote: Are you suggesting that we can keep URAA affected data until we get a takedown notice? He is suggesting that, but apparently without realizing that his proposal stands in direct contradiction to our precautionary principle (COM:PRP) and to the way Commons cares about its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Tomasz, You have a really strong opinion. When you read this thread, you will notice that it is not appreciated by many and seen as disruptive. Can you appreciate it in this way? You argument about re-users is valid when you turn around the argument as well; as long as we do NOT have a take

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread geni
On 30 December 2013 11:26, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi Tomasz, You have a really strong opinion. When you read this thread, you will notice that it is not appreciated by many and seen as disruptive. Can you appreciate it in this way? You argument about re-users is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread James Salsman
Jasper has tried to give you honest, useful information based on his actual experience and expertise in the matter It sure seemed like he was trying to imply that ARM servers cost more than twice what they actually do, and that there is some vague reason that we are tied to x86 because porting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Yann Forget
2013/12/30 geni geni...@gmail.com On 30 December 2013 11:26, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi Tomasz, You have a really strong opinion. When you read this thread, you will notice that it is not appreciated by many and seen as disruptive. Can you appreciate it in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread
If anyone wants to suggest useful changes to Commons guidelines, then this is a discussion to hold on Commons. I suspect only a handful of us read this list, and only a few of us have handled or discussed real URAA cases. Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread Tim Starling
On 30/12/13 23:28, James Salsman wrote: Tim was asking about benchmark fairness, so here, read this: http://armservers.com/2012/09/11/benchmarks-versus-the-real-world/ Yes, that seems pretty clear. They say that you can replace underutilised Intel CPUs with ARM CPUs, but agree with Intel's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Newyorkbrad
I have no role or participation on Commons, but from my work on English WP I'm aware of the very real copyright status of free as a practical matter although someone could theoretically make a disputed technical argument otherwise. One solution, where there is a good-faith argument the image is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Gerard Meijssen wrote: You have a really strong opinion. When you read this thread, you will notice that it is not appreciated by many and seen as disruptive. Can you appreciate it in this way? No, as the only part where I expressed my opinion was the assumption that Klaus suggested we only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Fæ faewik+comm...@gmail.com wrote: The URAA is rather more than theoretical. There is more milage in developing a defensive approach for orphan works. Again I think an inclusive discussion on Commons is more useful if anyone intends to progress this. Fae

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2013/12/30 Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com: I have no role or participation on Commons, but from my work on English WP I'm aware of the very real copyright status of free as a practical matter although someone could theoretically make a disputed technical argument otherwise. One solution,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2013-12-30 Thread Michael Maggs
Yes, I am working on this now, and will put up a proposal to amend policy on Commons in the next day or two. It is of particular relevance to UK Crown Copyright works. Michael On 30 Dec 2013, at 14:56, Fæ faewik+comm...@gmail.com wrote: The URAA is rather more than theoretical. There is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-30 Thread Leslie Carr
Oh man --- The trolling here is amazing!!! First off, you can't just plug a fiber cable into an ethernet socket. You need at least SFP+'s for 10G fiber connections, plus the cost of fiber itself -- it's way more expensive than a 100mbit connection. That said, we do use SFP+ based 10G for our

[Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2013-12-30 Thread James Salsman
Neither of Calxeda's articles gives a figure for capital cost I think they went under the moment their first competitor charging typical markups (Mitac) started shipping. Get some GFX servers and some of these to do your own tests: http://www.mitac.com/Business/7-Star.html you can't just plug

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2013-12-30 Thread K. Peachey
Can't we please kept this to one thread were possible? This is now the third I believe. On Tuesday, December 31, 2013, James Salsman wrote: Neither of Calxeda's articles gives a figure for capital cost I think they went under the moment their first competitor charging typical markups

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-30 Thread Liam Wyatt
As a non-technical person on this list, I have no idea what you just said Lesile (and Tim, earlier in this thread) but I greatly enjoyed reading it! Keep up the good work :-) -Liam / Wittylama On Tuesday, 31 December 2013, Leslie Carr wrote: Oh man --- The trolling here is amazing!!! First