Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a group, and COI to an edit
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:25 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way: 1. it should knows groups 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of interest 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history views 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in history views 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group page, or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page. I think Rupert's proposal does not go far enough in terms of addressing the potential conflict of interests by contributors because it focuses exclusively on paid edits while failing to address other conflict of interests problems that lead to neutrality issues. While anyone should be free to edit, the edit box should contain a dynamic box at the bottom that includes a potential list of conflicts that create bias problems based on the conflict. The user, before submitting their edit, should click each box verifying what their (potential) advocacy problems are so that their edits may be vetted. This includes gender, religion, nationality, ethnicity, political alignment, Political party membership, academic discipline, level of education, yearly earnings, city you live in, and employer. So if you are editing an article about Serbian politics, you would be asked if you are a Serb nationalist, a Croatian nationalist, a right wing political party member, a left wing political party member, male, Christian, Muslim, have a PhD, work for the government, work for for a non-profit, if you live in Belgrade, etc. This would increase Wikipedia's transparency and accountability of editors for their actions. It would actively discourage advocacy of all types, including the paid type. Sincerely, Laura Hale -- twitter: purplepopple ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a group, and COI to an edit
2014-02-25 21:20 GMT+05:30 Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com: So if you are editing an article about Serbian politics, you would be asked if you are a Serb nationalist, a Croatian nationalist, a right wing political party member, a left wing political party member, male, Christian, Muslim, have a PhD, work for the government, work for for a non-profit, if you live in Belgrade, etc. Hopefully, this is a (bad) joke. (...) Sincerely, Laura Hale Regards, Yann -- twitter: purplepopple ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a group, and COI to an edit
Laura Hale wrote: I think Rupert's proposal does not go far enough in terms of addressing the potential conflict of interests by contributors because it focuses exclusively on paid edits while failing to address other conflict of interests problems that lead to neutrality issues. While anyone should be free to edit, the edit box should contain a dynamic box at the bottom that includes a potential list of conflicts that create bias problems based on the conflict. The user, before submitting their edit, should click each box verifying what their (potential) advocacy problems are so that their edits may be vetted. This includes gender, religion, nationality, ethnicity, political alignment, Political party membership, academic discipline, level of education, yearly earnings, city you live in, and employer. So if you are editing an article about Serbian politics, you would be asked if you are a Serb nationalist, a Croatian nationalist, a right wing political party member, a left wing political party member, male, Christian, Muslim, have a PhD, work for the government, work for for a non-profit, if you live in Belgrade, etc. This would increase Wikipedia's transparency and accountability of editors for their actions. It would actively discourage advocacy of all types, including the paid type. Hmmm, I'm running into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law with this post. I honestly can't tell if you're being serious here. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l archives
Nathan wrote: Was that done so that anyone who wanted to know precisely which post contained sensitive info would simply need to compare lists of posts between the official archive and the various services that publicly archive the list? For reference: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61792#c6. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Test plz ignore
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[Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again
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[Wikimedia-l] The Cool Projects
Hi all, In the past years I have organized (alone and together with Deror Lin or Nicole Ebber) the Wikimania presentation 'The Coolest Projects' where I tried to give an inspiring overview of some of the amazing things Wikimedia affiliates are doing in our movement - sometimes against the stream. I have enjoyed it a lot and learned a huge amount of stuff from the volunteers I spoke with in preperation for this presentation. I decided however that 2013 will have been my last presentation on this topic. I no longer have the luxury or enthusiasm to spend the countless hours on collecting, investigating, expanding, comprehending and presenting these projects. While Nicole had to make the same decision, I found Deror Lin (with whom I presented together in 2012) prepared to continue the project in 2014. I think it is fair to say that the effort has become a project in itself. I'm very glad Deror is taking the torch and I'm sure he can use all the help he can get. Please don't tell him, but to give you an impression of the work involved, we estimated that we easily spent hundreds of hours on preparing this presentation last year. So if you want to help Deror, please share your support. He will probably approach the affiliates in the coming months to share their cool projects, and I hope that you don't make him chase you too much :) Think about it already! If you want to help out, or if you just want to show your support for the presentation, please leave a note on https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/The_coolest_projects_of_Wikimedia_Chapters_-_be_inspired. Looking forward to an awesome presentation, but this time with me in the comfortable seats, Lodewijk Gelauff ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again
What the fuck are you doing? On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Alexandros Kosiaris akosia...@wikimedia.org wrote: ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61917 Thanks, Mike On 25 Feb 2014, at 21:32, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: What the fuck are you doing? On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Alexandros Kosiaris akosia...@wikimedia.org wrote: ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again
please hold your tongue and be civil. Even if you don't understand something. Thanks! (and thanks Mike for the link!) 2014-02-25 22:32 GMT+01:00 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com: What the fuck are you doing? On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Alexandros Kosiaris akosia...@wikimedia.org wrote: ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again
So the lesson here is that list archives should not be messed with. I don't think that is news, I seem to remember hearing about the havoc potentially caused by selectively editing list archives many years ago and once in awhile ever since. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again
Nathan wrote: So the lesson here is that list archives should not be messed with. Yes. A thousand times yes. I don't think that is news, I seem to remember hearing about the havoc potentially caused by selectively editing list archives many years ago and once in awhile ever since. It goes something like this: * an important enough person makes a reasonable enough request for archive tampering; * a root (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/root) tries to rewrite history; * there are various side effects, almost always including broken links. In this particular case, we seem to have possibly permanently damaged the February 2014 archive. The typical side effect is every historical link being reindexed so that links largely continue to function, but lead to the entirely wrong post. I think we were fortunate to avoid that this time. To be clear, this isn't operations' fault, per se, this is largely mailman being awful. Perhaps mailman intentionally wants to prevent this type of behavior, though there's a lot more evidence to suggest that mailman is simply outdated, unloved, and awful. We may also be running an old version of it, for better or worse. The operations team is the only group capable of taking any action on incoming requests such as this, as I understand it, so they get stuck deciding whether or not to act. What feeds the cycle is that there's typical staff turnover among operations and the requests are infrequent enough. The people who do decide to act almost always immediately regret it and vow not to repeat the mistake, but there's still a (rotating) pool of people yet to be scarred by the experience. Broadly, I don't think many people appreciate how important mailing lists have been and continue to be to Wikimedia. Both in terms of providing a(n) historical record and in terms of day-to-day workflow. It would not be a bad investment on the part of the Wikimedia Foundation or a Wikimedia chapter to improve (or replace) mailman. Perhaps Flow or Echo or some other four-letter communication tool... one day. :-) One idea I had was to have a bot or script post the full messages to wiki pages on Meta-Wiki (e.g., Mailing lists/wikimedia-l/foo). This would provide for much more stable links and provide a few other benefits. But it didn't quite seem worth it. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Cool Projects
Hi Lodewijk, thanks A LOT for all your hours and your time. I've never attended personally but I waited every year to see/follow your presentation of the Cool projects. It is a great tool for inspiration to the whole Wikimedia movement to see the great things that are happening out there. It's completely understandable that you give one step back, and that you want to enjoy this year's edition in a comfortable seat. I think most of us agree that you and your pals did a great great job. Thanks again! Yours, Kippelboy :-) 2014-02-25 22:08 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org: Hi all, In the past years I have organized (alone and together with Deror Lin or Nicole Ebber) the Wikimania presentation 'The Coolest Projects' where I tried to give an inspiring overview of some of the amazing things Wikimedia affiliates are doing in our movement - sometimes against the stream. I have enjoyed it a lot and learned a huge amount of stuff from the volunteers I spoke with in preperation for this presentation. I decided however that 2013 will have been my last presentation on this topic. I no longer have the luxury or enthusiasm to spend the countless hours on collecting, investigating, expanding, comprehending and presenting these projects. While Nicole had to make the same decision, I found Deror Lin (with whom I presented together in 2012) prepared to continue the project in 2014. I think it is fair to say that the effort has become a project in itself. I'm very glad Deror is taking the torch and I'm sure he can use all the help he can get. Please don't tell him, but to give you an impression of the work involved, we estimated that we easily spent hundreds of hours on preparing this presentation last year. So if you want to help Deror, please share your support. He will probably approach the affiliates in the coming months to share their cool projects, and I hope that you don't make him chase you too much :) Think about it already! If you want to help out, or if you just want to show your support for the presentation, please leave a note on https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/The_coolest_projects_of_Wikimedia_Chapters_-_be_inspired . Looking forward to an awesome presentation, but this time with me in the comfortable seats, Lodewijk Gelauff ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
