Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.
*Epic thread unearthing!* Thanks to everybody who added more information - Jan, Itzik, Nicolas, Christoph, Siko Jessie. Since apparently there was no Meta page for that(tm) (yet!) I went ahead and drafted https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jean-Frédéric/ Funding_programs The relevant Meta page is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants It was written mainly with information from the Wikimania 2011 session pad, so it may be slightly outdated. Can you please merge yours in Nemo - I have no idea why we are moving to ElasticSearch: *you* should be implemented as the search backend for Meta - and MediaWiki.org and Bugzilla while we are at it ;-þ The table is now merged in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants. Please fix any oversight I may have made in the process, and add any missing information. (It is my understanding that grantmaking programs will be a focus of the next Wikimedia Conference - I look forward more conversation happening on this topic!) Cheers, -- Jean-Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Apparently they got no response: http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi: On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
The plot thickens! Of course it would be interesting to know what the average Finnish Wikipedia user knows about how Wikipedia works and whether they realize upon donation that they are not just donating to their Finnish (or Swedish) Wikipedia, but also to all of the other projects... 2014-03-01 15:38 GMT+01:00, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com: Apparently they got no response: http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi: On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Le 01/03/2014 15:49, Jane Darnell a écrit : The plot thickens! Of course it would be interesting to know what the average Finnish Wikipedia user knows about how Wikipedia works and whether they realize upon donation that they are not just donating to their Finnish (or Swedish) Wikipedia, but also to all of the other projects... Sure, still it's funny that I was replied nearly the opposite recently: Those editors are largely unaware of chapters and thorgs, and many are surprised to learn that up to a quarter of donors' gifts are passed on to them. !! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMF_Board_meetings/2013-11-24/FAQ#I_thought_we_had_plenty_of_money._Isn.27t_the_WMF_growing_as_well.3F_Is_this_just_an_effort_to_curtail_chapter_growth.3F That must be a matter of point of view... -- Mathias Damour 49 rue Carnot F-74000 Annecy 00 33 (0)4 57 09 10 56 00 33 (0)6 27 13 65 51 mathias.dam...@laposte.net http://fr.vikidia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Astirmays ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Hi Alex, I have checked with Legal. Our deadline for the response was Friday, and our response was indeed filed yesterday. We received an email confirmation from the authorities that the document had been received and we called them as well to confirm safe receipt. It might of course have been that the writer of the article contacted the authorities before we filed the document. We are taking steps to correct this inaccurate report. Best, pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently they got no response: http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi: On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The man without a past Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA
On 1 March 2014 19:58, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 28/02/2014 01:23, geni wrote: We could do that but it pretty much removes commons only advantage over say imgur or flickr. We want the images on commons to be free. Not simply stuff no one has got around to complaining about yet, You are deluding yourself and reusers if you believe and promote that nonsense. On Commons you have people uploading works from flickr, and other sites, where the account that is being scraped is anonymous. In many cases after the images have been uploaded the original account is deleted. You have no guarantee that the account that the images were scraped from held the copyright in the first place, and as such you are unable to pass that guarantee on to any one else. Want means its an objective not something we have actually archived yet. -- geni ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA
On 01/03/2014 23:06, geni wrote: On 1 March 2014 19:58, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: You have no guarantee that the account that the images were scraped from held the copyright in the first place, and as such you are unable to pass that guarantee on to any one else. Want means its an objective not something we have actually archived yet. Then it is an objective that cannot be fulfilled unless you get written clarification from all the accounts that are being scraped on flickr and elsewhere, that the images contained within the accounts were taken by the account holder. Many flickr accounts collect images found on the web. Many of them upload those images under a CC license, because images on the web are all public domain. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.
+1 to moving from ElasticSearch to NemoFind. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote: *Epic thread unearthing!* Thanks to everybody who added more information - Jan, Itzik, Nicolas, Christoph, Siko Jessie. Since apparently there was no Meta page for that(tm) (yet!) I went ahead and drafted https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jean-Frédéric/ Funding_programs The relevant Meta page is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants It was written mainly with information from the Wikimania 2011 session pad, so it may be slightly outdated. Can you please merge yours in Nemo - I have no idea why we are moving to ElasticSearch: *you* should be implemented as the search backend for Meta - and MediaWiki.org and Bugzilla while we are at it ;-þ The table is now merged in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants. Please fix any oversight I may have made in the process, and add any missing information. (It is my understanding that grantmaking programs will be a focus of the next Wikimedia Conference - I look forward more conversation happening on this topic!) Cheers, -- Jean-Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.
2014-03-02 1:36 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: +1 to moving from ElasticSearch to NemoFind. I am sorry, but NemoFind is a trademark of WM-IT. Now we are going to ask him how to sue you for trademark infringement, since, you know, he already has experience in the field. (Epic troll is epic) C ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA
On 1 March 2014 23:59, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On 01/03/2014 23:06, geni wrote: On 1 March 2014 19:58, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: You have no guarantee that the account that the images were scraped from held the copyright in the first place, and as such you are unable to pass that guarantee on to any one else. Want means its an objective not something we have actually archived yet. Then it is an objective that cannot be fulfilled unless you get written clarification from all the accounts that are being scraped on flickr and elsewhere, that the images contained within the accounts were taken by the account holder. There are various approaches. Personally I'd like to see the software modified so images can be tagged by level of certainty with regards to their copyright status. Many flickr accounts collect images found on the web. Many of them upload those images under a CC license, because images on the web are all public domain. Those are usually fairly obvious and can be avoided for the most part. -- geni ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA
On 2/28/14, 1:43 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 28 February 2014 08:27, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote: But the other Wikimedia projects are *also* supposed to share that goal: of producing a Free-as-in-freedom encyclopedia whose contents can be safely reused and adapted by a wide range of other people and organizations, who should be able to assume that it is legal to do so without exhaustive case-by-case investigation. The movement's main job is not merely hosting the websites *.wikipedia.org, putting up whatever we find useful to put up, and taking down things when we get complaints or lawsuits. You're justifying the observed, serious problems with current actions by saying but they should work in theory! I'm just disagreeing with the view that Common and the rest of the projects have some big gap in goals, and especially with the view that the rest of the projects are achieving the Movement's goals successfully in this respect, while Commons is not. Given the large gray area that is copyright, it's inevitable that there will be a mess. But I think to the extent projects are incorrectly approaching the issue, the blame is quite distributed. For example, I would judge the English Wikipedia's current image policy a failure in practice: a failure in the too-permissive direction. The English encyclopedia, as it currently stands, is not really free content unless you strip the images. It cannot in practice be safely reused by organizations who are not Wikimedia, without extensive case-by-case analysis. This is because there is a large reliance on a bunch of narrow and brittle exceptions to copyright law, with images that are not either solidly public domain, or solidly CC-licensed. Examples: 1) works that are in copyright in almost the entire world, including their country of origin, *but* are out of copyright in the USA (only); 2) weak fair-use rationales that would be hard for a reuser to win a case on (especially a reuser that isn't a nonprofit educational charity like Wikimedia is); and 3) images with quite weak sourcing. I personally would welcome more attention to our actual mission, producing free content, rather than the mission some of our members seem to be engaged in, making the *.wikipedia.org sites look nice in the short term, even if nobody external can reuse the content. This doesn't mean Commons isn't erring too far in the other direction, of course. But I think it's a more complex issue than Commons diverging from the correct path. -Mark ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
