Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.

2014-03-01 Thread Jean-Frédéric
*Epic thread unearthing!*

Thanks to everybody who added more information - Jan, Itzik, Nicolas,
Christoph, Siko  Jessie.

  Since apparently there was no Meta page for that(tm) (yet!) I went ahead
 and
 drafted https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jean-Frédéric/
 Funding_programs


 The relevant Meta page is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants
 It was written mainly with information from the Wikimania 2011 session
 pad, so it may be slightly outdated. Can you please merge yours in


Nemo - I have no idea why we are moving to ElasticSearch: *you* should be
implemented as the search backend for Meta - and MediaWiki.org and Bugzilla
while we are at it ;-þ

The table is now merged in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants.
Please fix any oversight I may have made in the process, and add any
missing information.

(It is my understanding that grantmaking programs will be a focus of the
next Wikimedia Conference - I look forward more conversation happening on
this topic!)

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-03-01 Thread Alex Monk
Apparently they got no response:
http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest


On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one

 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi:
  On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
  I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The
  man without a past
 
 
  Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'(
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori
 
  - Teemu
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-03-01 Thread Jane Darnell
The plot thickens! Of course it would be interesting to know what the
average Finnish Wikipedia user knows about how Wikipedia works and
whether they realize upon donation that they are not just donating to
their Finnish (or Swedish) Wikipedia, but also to all of the other
projects...

2014-03-01 15:38 GMT+01:00, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com:
 Apparently they got no response:
 http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest


 On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one

 2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi:
  On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
  I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The
  man without a past
 
 
  Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'(
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori
 
  - Teemu
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-03-01 Thread Mathias Damour

Le 01/03/2014 15:49, Jane Darnell a écrit :

The plot thickens! Of course it would be interesting to know what the
average Finnish Wikipedia user knows about how Wikipedia works and
whether they realize upon donation that they are not just donating to
their Finnish (or Swedish) Wikipedia, but also to all of the other
projects...


Sure, still it's funny that I was replied nearly the opposite recently: 
Those editors are largely unaware of chapters and thorgs, and many are 
surprised to learn that up to a quarter of donors' gifts are passed on 
to them. !!

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMF_Board_meetings/2013-11-24/FAQ#I_thought_we_had_plenty_of_money._Isn.27t_the_WMF_growing_as_well.3F_Is_this_just_an_effort_to_curtail_chapter_growth.3F

That must be a matter of point of view...

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-03-01 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi Alex,

I have checked with Legal.  Our deadline for the response was Friday, and
our response was indeed filed yesterday.  We received an email confirmation
from the authorities that the document had been received and we called them
as well to confirm safe receipt.  It might of course have been that the
writer of the article contacted the authorities before we filed the
document.  We are taking steps to correct this inaccurate report.

Best,
pb


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Foundation, Inc.
 T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 |  phili...@wikimedia.org  |  :
@Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki


On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote:

 Apparently they got no response:

 http://www.finlandtimes.fi/national/2014/03/01/5137/Wikipediafailstomeetdeadlineonpolicerequest


 On 10 February 2014 15:41, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yes, he would definitely have enjoyed this one
 
  2014-02-10 9:51 GMT+01:00, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi:
   On 8.2.2014, at 13.51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
   I love this thread - it make me think of Matti Wuori in the movie The
   man without a past
  
  
   Heh :-) These days, I also miss Matti Wuori. :-'(
  
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matti_Wuori
  
   - Teemu
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-01 Thread geni
On 1 March 2014 19:58, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:

 On 28/02/2014 01:23, geni wrote:


 We could do that but it pretty much removes commons only advantage over
 say
 imgur or flickr. We want the images on commons to be free. Not simply
 stuff
 no one has got around to complaining about yet,


 You are deluding yourself and reusers if you believe and promote that
 nonsense. On Commons you have people uploading works from flickr, and other
 sites, where the account that is being scraped is anonymous. In many cases
 after the images have been uploaded the original account is deleted.

 You have no guarantee that the account that the images were scraped from
 held the copyright in the first place, and as such you are unable to pass
 that guarantee on to any one else.



Want means its an objective not something we have actually archived yet.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-01 Thread ???

On 01/03/2014 23:06, geni wrote:

On 1 March 2014 19:58, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:



You have no guarantee that the account that the images were scraped from
held the copyright in the first place, and as such you are unable to pass
that guarantee on to any one else.




Want means its an objective not something we have actually archived yet.



Then it is an objective that cannot be fulfilled unless you get written 
clarification from all the accounts that are being scraped on flickr and 
elsewhere, that the images contained within the accounts were taken by 
the account holder.


Many flickr accounts collect images found on the web. Many of them 
upload those images under a CC license, because images on the web are 
all public domain.




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.

2014-03-01 Thread Samuel Klein
+1 to moving from ElasticSearch to NemoFind.

On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Jean-Frédéric
jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 *Epic thread unearthing!*

 Thanks to everybody who added more information - Jan, Itzik, Nicolas,
 Christoph, Siko  Jessie.

   Since apparently there was no Meta page for that(tm) (yet!) I went ahead
 and
 drafted https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jean-Frédéric/
 Funding_programs


 The relevant Meta page is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants
 It was written mainly with information from the Wikimania 2011 session
 pad, so it may be slightly outdated. Can you please merge yours in


 Nemo - I have no idea why we are moving to ElasticSearch: *you* should be
 implemented as the search backend for Meta - and MediaWiki.org and Bugzilla
 while we are at it ;-þ

 The table is now merged in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants.
 Please fix any oversight I may have made in the process, and add any
 missing information.

 (It is my understanding that grantmaking programs will be a focus of the
 next Wikimedia Conference - I look forward more conversation happening on
 this topic!)

 Cheers,
 --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.

2014-03-01 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-03-02 1:36 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com:
 +1 to moving from ElasticSearch to NemoFind.

I am sorry, but NemoFind is a trademark of WM-IT.
Now we are going to ask him how to sue you for trademark infringement,
since, you know, he already has experience in the field.

(Epic troll is epic)

C

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-01 Thread geni
On 1 March 2014 23:59, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:

 On 01/03/2014 23:06, geni wrote:

 On 1 March 2014 19:58, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:


 You have no guarantee that the account that the images were scraped from
 held the copyright in the first place, and as such you are unable to pass
 that guarantee on to any one else.



 Want means its an objective not something we have actually archived yet.


 Then it is an objective that cannot be fulfilled unless you get written
 clarification from all the accounts that are being scraped on flickr and
 elsewhere, that the images contained within the accounts were taken by the
 account holder.



There are various approaches. Personally I'd like to see the software
modified so images can be tagged by level of certainty with regards to
their copyright status.



 Many flickr accounts collect images found on the web. Many of them upload
 those images under a CC license, because images on the web are all public
 domain.



Those are usually fairly obvious and can be avoided for the most part.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-01 Thread Mark

On 2/28/14, 1:43 PM, David Gerard wrote:

On 28 February 2014 08:27, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote:


But the other Wikimedia projects are *also* supposed to share that goal: of
producing a Free-as-in-freedom encyclopedia whose contents can be safely
reused and adapted by a wide range of other people and organizations, who
should be able to assume that it is legal to do so without exhaustive
case-by-case investigation. The movement's main job is not merely hosting
the websites *.wikipedia.org, putting up whatever we find useful to put up,
and taking down things when we get complaints or lawsuits.


You're justifying the observed, serious problems with current actions
by saying but they should work in theory!


I'm just disagreeing with the view that Common and the rest of the 
projects have some big gap in goals, and especially with the view that 
the rest of the projects are achieving the Movement's goals 
successfully in this respect, while Commons is not.


Given the large gray area that is copyright, it's inevitable that there 
will be a mess. But I think to the extent projects are incorrectly 
approaching the issue, the blame is quite distributed. For example, I 
would judge the English Wikipedia's current image policy a failure in 
practice: a failure in the too-permissive direction. The English 
encyclopedia, as it currently stands, is not really free content unless 
you strip the images. It cannot in practice be safely reused by 
organizations who are not Wikimedia, without extensive case-by-case 
analysis. This is because there is a large reliance on a bunch of narrow 
and brittle exceptions to copyright law, with images that are not either 
solidly public domain, or solidly CC-licensed. Examples: 1) works that 
are in copyright in almost the entire world, including their country of 
origin, *but* are out of copyright in the USA (only); 2) weak fair-use 
rationales that would be hard for a reuser to win a case on (especially 
a reuser that isn't a nonprofit educational charity like Wikimedia is); 
and 3) images with quite weak sourcing.


I personally would welcome more attention to our actual mission, 
producing free content, rather than the mission some of our members seem 
to be engaged in, making the *.wikipedia.org sites look nice in the 
short term, even if nobody external can reuse the content. This doesn't 
mean Commons isn't erring too far in the other direction, of course. But 
I think it's a more complex issue than Commons diverging from the 
correct path.


-Mark


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