Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Wikipedistes documentary in Catalan TV
Thanks for posting - I loved the documentary! For me the most obvious
difference between the groups shown in your various meetings and the
get-togethers we have in the Netherlands is the age of the
participants. I think we in WMNL attract a lot more gray hair than
you do. I think it would be a great idea to cut it up into clips,
because there are lots of themes in there that can all draw their own
public (libraries museums, WLM, QRpedia, etc.)
I wonder if the age difference has to do with the slightly political
nature of keeping a smaller language afloat in a country that
recognizes another language as the official one? It makes me wonder
about the average age of the people showing up at meetings for the
Frisian Wikipedia in the northern cities of the Netherlands. I have
never been to one of their meetings before but now I am curious (and
we don't have a Frisian Wikimedia community - yet).
2014-03-04 0:51 GMT+01:00, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org:
On 03/03/2014 12:50 AM, Pau Giner wrote:
The video, in Catalan, can be viewed at
http://www.tv3.cat/videos/4930191/30%2520minuts%253A%2520VIQUIPEDISTES
Yes, thank you!
The documentary was good but, as a whole, more Catalan-centric than I
personally expected. Still, the ca.wiki community has started to discuss
the possibility to cut the documentary in capsules, and then some of
those might become very good introductions for just anybody interested
in how Wikipedia works. No specific plans yet.
The producers did a good job at compiling diverse perspectives and focus
areas: how some editors started with a first edit, how veteran editors
work on top quality articles with references, how admins deal with
vandalism, neutrality and different views in different languages, GLAM
and the photographers, community meetings, WMF and the state-based
chapters vs language-based projects, the role of public libraries and
museums as educators, content creators and gender gap shifters, the
views from the academia...
One recurrent topic was the massive use of Wikipedia among young
students, with funny scenes at class when the kids laugh because their
works use basically the same sentences, all copied in a single stroke
from the same articles. How the teacher encourages them to use Wikipedia
but find your own words to express those ideas, where researchers think
that all this is heading to...
They also interviewed the guy that created the first article in ca.wiki,
which happened to be the first article in a language other than English
-- https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%80bac . It was interesting to hear
from him that one day the text-based Wikipedia will be history because
most probably learning will be based in media. It kept me thinking
whether it will be still the Wikimedia community who will ride that
wave, or someone else with fresh ideas and without the legacy and
community burdens we have...
Anyway, at least Amical and ca.wiki have now very good audiovisual
materials that will help them a lot reaching out to new contributors and
explaining to them all the things we do here.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
(Stepping out of my WMF tech role, wearing my ca.wiki volunteering hat.)
This Sunday the program 30 minuts of TV3 (top TV channel in Catalan)
will broadcast a documentary about Wikipedistes. Yes, it has a small
audience compared to US prime time, but in terms of Catalan audience you
probably can't go more prime time than that without being ''indecent''
or wearing a FC Barcelona shirt. :)
http://www.tv3.cat/30minuts/en
What is more important, this veteran program keeps very high standards
in journalism and TV reporting. The two previews being aired these days
are promising:
http://www.tv3.cat/30minuts/proper
Any single editor appearing in these trailers has been already contacted
by friends and relatives (Hey, I saw you on TV!!!), and the ca.wiki /
Amical Wikimedia supporters can't wait to watch the full version.
The documentary will be available online. If it is as good as the
average 30 minuts documentaries are, we {{Who}} might think of a way
to get it subtitled in English. They have an archive of programs with
English subtitles (see the first link), but with all the budget cuts
public TV is facing I don't know how much resources would they have for
translating Wikipedistes, even if the idea makes sense. Crowdsourcing?
Anyway, more if/when the documentary is good.
--
Quim Gil
Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.
I just found this link serendipitously while asking for help at the village pump in order to translate the IEG grant process pages into Dutch: https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Financi%C3%ABle_Ondersteuning_Kleine_Activiteiten I knew we had the Support small projects program within WMNL, but I didn't know we had reports too! 2014-03-03 1:46 GMT+01:00, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: Denis: I found it useful, thank you. I believe there is a long history of this in other chapters as well, such as Wikimedia Polska. Are other grantmaking overviews published online? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-02 1:36 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: +1 to moving from ElasticSearch to NemoFind. I am sorry, but NemoFind is a trademark of WM-IT. Prior claim: Disney https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7365379072/h0C8A494A/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.
Um, definitely a +1 for claiming NemoFind as official WMF trademark btw 2014-03-04 9:55 GMT+01:00, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com: I just found this link serendipitously while asking for help at the village pump in order to translate the IEG grant process pages into Dutch: https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Financi%C3%ABle_Ondersteuning_Kleine_Activiteiten I knew we had the Support small projects program within WMNL, but I didn't know we had reports too! 2014-03-03 1:46 GMT+01:00, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: Denis: I found it useful, thank you. I believe there is a long history of this in other chapters as well, such as Wikimedia Polska. Are other grantmaking overviews published online? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-03-02 1:36 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: +1 to moving from ElasticSearch to NemoFind. I am sorry, but NemoFind is a trademark of WM-IT. Prior claim: Disney https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7365379072/h0C8A494A/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.
Jane Darnell, 04/03/2014 09:56: Um, definitely a +1 for claiming NemoFind as official WMF trademark btw Ugh. [...] 2014-03-03 1:46 GMT+01:00, Samuel Klein [...] Prior claim: Disney https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7365379072/h0C8A494A/ Priorer: Jules Verne, 1870, as tranlated in http://books.google.it/books?id=4_IVN_l3i8UCpg=PA147dq=%22nemo+found%22. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Wikipedistes documentary in Catalan TV
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:01:58 +0100 From: Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Wikipedistes documentary in Catalan TV Message-ID: cafvca-hkltdy3tmbcxegcqp+s1kt6btslcn8f9uetn3qyk6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for posting - I loved the documentary! For me the most obvious difference between the groups shown in your various meetings and the get-togethers we have in the Netherlands is the age of the participants. I think we in WMNL attract a lot more gray hair than you do. I think it would be a great idea to cut it up into clips, because there are lots of themes in there that can all draw their own public (libraries museums, WLM, QRpedia, etc.) I wonder if the age difference has to do with the slightly political nature of keeping a smaller language afloat in a country that recognizes another language as the official one? It has to do with the slightly political nature of trying to extinguish a great language. All gray haired appearing in the video they had to learn to write being adults. When they went to school the Catalan was banned and persecuted. It makes me wonder about the average age of the people showing up at meetings for the Frisian Wikipedia in the northern cities of the Netherlands. I have never been to one of their meetings before but now I am curious (and we don't have a Frisian Wikimedia community - yet). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Press Release: Wikimedia Indonesia Receive Grant from The Ford Foundation to Preserve Indonesian Culture By Content Digitalization
Hello all, We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia is awarded a grant by The Ford Foundation to support our projects on Indonesian content digitalization. Please find below the official press release. Thank you. *Press Release* To be distributedJakarta, 3 March 2014 *Wikimedia Indonesia Receive Grant from The Ford Foundation to Preserve Indonesian Culture By Content Digitalization* Wikimedia Indonesia, an independent association established by Indonesian Language Wikipedia volunteers, has received a grant from The Ford Foundation for two separate programs that will be carried through 2014 and 2015. This follows the successful completion of the first grant from Ford Foundation to Wikimedia Indonesia awarded in 2011 to support Creative Commons Indonesia http://creativecommons.or.id/ and Cipta Media Bersamahttp://ciptamedia.org/arsip2011/ from 2011-2013. The first program is to Preserve Indonesian Culture by Content Digitalization, an effort supported by the Indonesian Coordinating Ministry for People's Welfare under PNPM Pusaka program, and coordinated under SAPA (Stratetic Alliance for Poverty Alleviation). The project has a budget of USD 125,000 (1,4 billion rupiah) to be used by Wikimedia Indonesia for the following wikimedia projects: 1. Indonesian Wikipedia (Free Your Knowledge 2014http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Bebaskan_Pengetahuan_2014 in Jakarta, Bandung, and Yogyakarta) 2. Javanese Wikipedia (Semarang, Yogyakarta, and Solo) 3. Sundanese Wikipedia (Bandung) 4. Banjar Wikipedia (Samarinda and Banjarmasin) 5. Minankabau Wikipedia (Pekanbaru) 6. Digitalization of Indonesian content for the Wikisource project (online) Ten universities from Jakarta, Bandung, and Yogyakarta have signed up to participate in Free Your Knowledge 2014, Indonesian Wikipedia writing competition, which will commence in March 2014. The other wikimedia projects will commence in mid 2014. The second program is Cipta Media Seluler http://ciptamedia.org/, a joint effort between Wikimedia Indonesia, ICT Watch, Independent Journalist Alliance Indonesia, and Ford Foundation with the total value of USD 750,000 to fund cellular initiatives with social justice goals via open call for proposals. ** * END * ** - For more information, please contact Ivonne Kristianihttp://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Ivonne_Kristiani, Secretary General of Wikimedia Indonesia at info[image: px]http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Berkas:At_sign.png wikimedia.or.id. -- *Isabella Apriyana* *Wakil Sekretaris Jendral 2013-2015* *Deputy Secretary General 2013-2015* *Wikimedia Indonesia* Seluler (Ph.) +628889752858 Surel (E-mail) isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Press Release: Wikimedia Indonesia Receive Grant from The Ford Foundation to Preserve Indonesian Culture By Content Digitalization
Congratulations. I'm very excited for you all. Sydney Poore User:FloNight Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2014, at 8:56, Isabella Apriyana isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id wrote: Hello all, We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia is awarded a grant by The Ford Foundation to support our projects on Indonesian content digitalization. Please find below the official press release. Thank you. *Press Release* To be distributedJakarta, 3 March 2014 *Wikimedia Indonesia Receive Grant from The Ford Foundation to Preserve Indonesian Culture By Content Digitalization* Wikimedia Indonesia, an independent association established by Indonesian Language Wikipedia volunteers, has received a grant from The Ford Foundation for two separate programs that will be carried through 2014 and 2015. This follows the successful completion of the first grant from Ford Foundation to Wikimedia Indonesia awarded in 2011 to support Creative Commons Indonesia http://creativecommons.or.id/ and Cipta Media Bersamahttp://ciptamedia.org/arsip2011/ from 2011-2013. The first program is to Preserve Indonesian Culture by Content Digitalization, an effort supported by the Indonesian Coordinating Ministry for People's Welfare under PNPM Pusaka program, and coordinated under SAPA (Stratetic Alliance for Poverty Alleviation). The project has a budget of USD 125,000 (1,4 billion rupiah) to be used by Wikimedia Indonesia for the following wikimedia projects: 1. Indonesian Wikipedia (Free Your Knowledge 2014http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Bebaskan_Pengetahuan_2014 in Jakarta, Bandung, and Yogyakarta) 2. Javanese Wikipedia (Semarang, Yogyakarta, and Solo) 3. Sundanese Wikipedia (Bandung) 4. Banjar Wikipedia (Samarinda and Banjarmasin) 5. Minankabau Wikipedia (Pekanbaru) 6. Digitalization of Indonesian content for the Wikisource project (online) Ten universities from Jakarta, Bandung, and Yogyakarta have signed up to participate in Free Your Knowledge 2014, Indonesian Wikipedia writing competition, which will commence in March 2014. The other wikimedia projects will commence in mid 2014. The second program is Cipta Media Seluler http://ciptamedia.org/, a joint effort between Wikimedia Indonesia, ICT Watch, Independent Journalist Alliance Indonesia, and Ford Foundation with the total value of USD 750,000 to fund cellular initiatives with social justice goals via open call for proposals. ** * END * ** - For more information, please contact Ivonne Kristianihttp://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Ivonne_Kristiani, Secretary General of Wikimedia Indonesia at info[image: px]http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Berkas:At_sign.png wikimedia.or.id. -- *Isabella Apriyana* *Wakil Sekretaris Jendral 2013-2015* *Deputy Secretary General 2013-2015* *Wikimedia Indonesia* Seluler (Ph.) +628889752858 Surel (E-mail) isabella.apriy...@wikimedia.or.id Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feature suggestion] Be able to include/exclude certain page fragments based on the geographic area
On 03/04/2014 10:50 PM, Yuri wrote: But it got rejected, and I am not sure I am clear why. I haven't opined on the specific bug, but I would also have rejected it. The reason why is simple: it goes exactly opposite everything the projects stand for. Our mission isn't collect all of the knowledge but only show some of it to some people, depending on the whims of random governments (or some people's interpretations of those whims). We might not be able to prevent some entities from censoring us; but we certainly should not do it for them. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feature suggestion] Be able to include/exclude certain page fragments based on the geographic area
I think that if you stop to think about it another way, you'll find that this would do the opposite of what you intend, to wit: allowing various courts to impose editorial control. Imagine Circletine, once a popular childhood beverage but now the issue of some controversy regarding its tendency to cause tooth loss. Although banned from sale in Europe and the United States, an aggressive marketing campaign has made it the best-selling soft drink in the nation of Elbonia. Equally aggressive lobbying in the Elbonian parliament has resulted it in being a crime to disparage Circletine in any way, or even to mention the controversy in print. And so we have our article: '''Circletine''' is a bannedin country=elboniacontroversial/bannedin milk flavoring product made from malt extract, curds, and whey, bannedin country=elboniaonce/bannedin extremely popular worldwide bannedin country=elboniaAlthough it enjoyed several decades of success as an inexpensive beverage marketed mostly for children, concerns over an increased risk of tooth loss led to its withdrawal from sale in most western countries./bannedin (I think you can see where this is going.) Censorship is awful, but partial censorship is worse than simply saying I'm not allowed to talk about it. Ask your government why. Austin On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: I submitted the proposal to be able to eliminate certain parts of the articles in certain countries, where the local governments find those parts illegal: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62231 But it got rejected, and I am not sure I am clear why. The problem is that there are countries that lack the freedom of speech (most of the countries), and some of them get very aggressive about banning materials that most reasonable people wouldn't find objectionable. The very recent example, provided in the bug report above, is banning of any references of Adolf Hitler's book Mein Kampf in Russia. While this case may seem not as important, but I don't see why users outside Russia should be affected by such decision, when they may not even support any decisions or values of the said government. Yet, everybody's version of wikipedia page is affected, and materials are hidden. My suggestion, if implemented, would allow to hide certain parts of the articles in the country (or area) of jurisdiction of the corresponding court, while allowing users not living there to still see the original version. If such governments get their way in banning materials globally, this will effectively make wikipedia biased, and reflecting various POVs of various courts, which has never been intended by wikipedia. Yuri ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feature suggestion] Be able to include/exclude certain page fragments based on the geographic area
Exactly this. If the government of any given country wants to redirect certain articles, or all of Wikipedia, to a page saying This content blocked by the Ministry of Knowledge, people will know they're being censored. If instead they reach a sanitized version of the article reflecting the government's preferred spin, we're putting that government's spin in our voice. That's not at all acceptable. Let them censor, let them make it obvious, and let them deal with the fallout. But we should absolutely not help them in any way whatsoever. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: I think that if you stop to think about it another way, you'll find that this would do the opposite of what you intend, to wit: allowing various courts to impose editorial control. Imagine Circletine, once a popular childhood beverage but now the issue of some controversy regarding its tendency to cause tooth loss. Although banned from sale in Europe and the United States, an aggressive marketing campaign has made it the best-selling soft drink in the nation of Elbonia. Equally aggressive lobbying in the Elbonian parliament has resulted it in being a crime to disparage Circletine in any way, or even to mention the controversy in print. And so we have our article: '''Circletine''' is a bannedin country=elboniacontroversial/bannedin milk flavoring product made from malt extract, curds, and whey, bannedin country=elboniaonce/bannedin extremely popular worldwide bannedin country=elboniaAlthough it enjoyed several decades of success as an inexpensive beverage marketed mostly for children, concerns over an increased risk of tooth loss led to its withdrawal from sale in most western countries./bannedin (I think you can see where this is going.) Censorship is awful, but partial censorship is worse than simply saying I'm not allowed to talk about it. Ask your government why. Austin On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: I submitted the proposal to be able to eliminate certain parts of the articles in certain countries, where the local governments find those parts illegal: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62231 But it got rejected, and I am not sure I am clear why. The problem is that there are countries that lack the freedom of speech (most of the countries), and some of them get very aggressive about banning materials that most reasonable people wouldn't find objectionable. The very recent example, provided in the bug report above, is banning of any references of Adolf Hitler's book Mein Kampf in Russia. While this case may seem not as important, but I don't see why users outside Russia should be affected by such decision, when they may not even support any decisions or values of the said government. Yet, everybody's version of wikipedia page is affected, and materials are hidden. My suggestion, if implemented, would allow to hide certain parts of the articles in the country (or area) of jurisdiction of the corresponding court, while allowing users not living there to still see the original version. If such governments get their way in banning materials globally, this will effectively make wikipedia biased, and reflecting various POVs of various courts, which has never been intended by wikipedia. Yuri ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
