Re: [Wikimedia-l] [FDC] WMFr Proposal - Call for copyediting

2014-04-02 Thread Christophe Henner
Hi everyone, I would like to thank everyone who wasted few minutes to copy edit a FDC proposal that wasn't theirs. You're crazy for doing so. We love crazy. We would like to thank Tony1, Claudia Garad, Cristian Cantoro, Mike Peel and Petit Tigre (yes even a plush did edit our proposal, how cute

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-02 Thread ENWP Pine
Although much of my original email to Arbcom about this situation is outdated, I can report that Arbcom is having a look at this situation. I don't think there is any action needed on their part at the moment. I am only relaying my personal views and not speaking on their behalf. While we wait

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] ANNOUNCEMENT: Anna Koval joins Wikipedia Education Program team

2014-04-02 Thread Daria Cybulska
Fab, we are looking forward to working with you! Hopefully see you in London soon. All the best, Daria -- Daria Cybulska - Programme Manager, Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0994 +44 7803 505 170 On 2 April 2014 06:17, Lilit Tarkhanyan lilit.tarkhan...@wikimedia.am wrote: Congratulations, dear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Steve Zhang
Hi all, I'll just start off by saying these are my own personal views and don't necessarily represent the views of the rest of the WMAU committee or Wikimedia Australia as a whole. My view on spending funds might be seen as a bit extreme, but I believe that funds received through the APG process

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There is a big difference between being frugal and being effective. There is no point to underspend when it affects effectivity in a negative manner. Yes, it is important that people are mindful of the sources of the money involved. This is as important for us as it is for a government where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Steve Zhang
Hi Gerard, My email is not to criticise the decision WMUK made to send more than the majority of chapters, but to make my view (as I was asked off list my view, and I think given the discussion it was worth sharing on-list) that regardless of whether the funds a chapter or organisation has at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-02 Thread Risker
I'm still a bit confused as to why you reported this to Arbcom (Wikipedia in residence programs, paid editing, and general review of accounts are all outside of their purview), or what they're supposedly looking at. This is a community and WMF issue, and I do not see anything at all for Arbcom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Itzik Edri
I less think this is question of budget (also, and I'm one of the big criticizers of the movement travels expenses), and rather the question of the concept of the conference. Yes, people can achieve a lot from attending in conferences - and we don't limit the number of people who can come to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Jens Best
But if people who think that the 2+1-rule is questionable with good arguments can't come to the conference because of the 2+1 rule the whole thing becomes a bit difficult. Not everybody is keen on discussing such things on mailinglists, especially when the decisions aren't made on such lists, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Risker
I think the biggest challenge here is that there are dozens of movement members who would be interested in attending this conference, but it is intended to be a very limited one. Several of the topics (Conflict of Interest, Meet the Trustees, Lessons learnt on huge projects, How to measure blood,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Jon Davies
How about expanding its scope but alternating it with Wikimania, so one every other year? This could help reduce costs and avoid any duplication? On 2 April 2014 15:59, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I think the biggest challenge here is that there are dozens of movement members who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Cristian Consonni
(my 2cents here, not speaking in any capacity besides my personal free will) 2014-04-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de: Have a nice time in Berlin, maybe I will drop by on some of the evening events at least. :) May I say? Please come by also at the conference. I understand

[Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Chris Keating
Great! We are starting to have the conversation we need to have! So: What is the purpose of the Wikimedia Conference? This has never been clearly defined, in my view. I certainly found attending last year useful as it was a chance to get to know face-to-face people I only knew over email, to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread
On 02/04/2014, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Great! We are starting to have the conversation we need to have! So: What is the purpose of the Wikimedia Conference? This has never been clearly defined, in my view. I certainly found attending last year useful as it was a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Nathan
A good starting point for discussion is the written material already out there about the purpose of the event: *Wikimedia Conference 2014* is the annual meeting of all Wikimedia chaptershttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters , thematic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread sydney . poore
Point of information and a comment: This year 2 members of the FDC will attend the conference as representatives of the FDC. The full FDC will not be attending any part of Wikimedia Conference this year because the date of the FDC meeting do not align with the conference. Next year if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi, To provide some perspective. The Board of Trustees has traditionally had its Board meeting at the Wikimedia Conference. This year is the first year we decide to change that and have our board meeting a couple of weeks later so that we could actually attend the sessions and have more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Chris Keating
I am genuinely puzzled as to why, if nobody on the WMUK board (such as the CEO or the current Chairman) is sure what the purpose of the conference is, they should chose to invest the donor's money in sending 5 trustees and 3 full time employees to it (presumably the employees are being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
Yes, finally the discussion we need! Pity that it happens only one week before the conference itself. My point of view: We have different types of conference: GLAMCamp, EduWiki, Wikimania, whatever. Beside Wikimania, which is quite a fruit salad of topics and themes and seen as *the* gathering

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Risker
I'm not sure that people think the conference is unnecessary; I think it has value. It is, however, the only one of all those listed for which almost everyone is explicitly excluded and cannot attend - even though I can think of several who have strong interest in movement governance and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Balázs Viczián
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFuture_of_the_Wikimedia_Conferencediff=5611433oldid=5611349 imo. Vince 2014-04-02 20:32 GMT+02:00 Cornelius Kibelka jckibe...@gmail.com: Yes, finally the discussion we need! Pity that it happens only one week before the conference

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Itzik Edri
What the purpose of this discussion? The program committee already scheduled a session about the future of the WMCON. And as we are a week before, and I believe it's too late to cancel flights and hotels booking, nothing will probably going to be changed, even if there will be consensus about the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Nicole Ebber
Itzik, I am sorry that I did not reply to this earlier. I am just kind of baffled that we are having this discussion now, months after all these questions where asked (see Future of the Wikimedia Conference) and all the information about the scope and the slight loosening of the attendee ratio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Risker
While I don't think this discussion should change the process or the attendance for this specific conference, particularly as it is just around the corner, it would be useful to take some of these points into consideration for future planning. Risker/Anne On 2 April 2014 17:08, Nicole Ebber

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Nicole Ebber
Right, sorry, what I meant was that these arguments can be collected for the preparation of the Future of the WMCON session at WMCON itself, not for changing the current setting. Nicole On 2 April 2014 23:14, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: While I don't think this discussion should change

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Purpose of WMConf ( was: Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014)

2014-04-02 Thread Risker
I appreciate your clarification, Nicole - thanks. There is a certain irony in the fact that those who are making the argument that there should be some rethinking of the future of the WMCON are all (as best I can tell) people who will not be present. I hope that those who are present will be