Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares
Imo the lines were said by a member of a board of a chapter in her official capacity as she was attending a board training paid fully by the global community (unless she paid everything on her own and never got reimbursed for anything) If you keep up with this approach (which will for sure culminate in actions clearly ignoring/fucking the community) in one day you will reach the point when the community will say so, then fuck you too. Obviously not today, neither tomorrow, but when it comes, that day will be the last day, when you were able to buy free stuff or travel around the world for free or in short: have money. Until that day comes it is true that this is not an issue, you can get away with it, 'nuff said. The main issue here are her solution(s) to problem solving/fulfilling the mission. Even worse that a handful of people supports it in this thread, namely a) spending money or b) spending more money. This is very poor/lazy thinking. Those having these two only in mind (or as primary solutions), should leave their chapter positions for more creative people. Cheers, Vince PS: this thread strenghtens my impression [1] that some chapters are rather breakaway groups than (integral) parts of their local community. [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AFuture_of_the_Wikimedia_Conferencediff=5611433oldid=5611349 2014.04.08. 12:21, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com ezt írta: Hoi, One reason is that the license of Wikidata is questioned by members of the Wikidata community. Thanks, GerardM On 8 April 2014 11:27, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, From where I stand ie Wikidata, the license we use is CC-0. When a GLAM wants to share data it has to be CC-0. When it is CC-by or CC-by-sa, we cannot use it. We do not retrieve it from their database we will find the same data from elsewhere where there is no such burden. When people use CC-by-sa data in for instance Wikipedia, we do harvest that information because once it is embedded in Wikipedia, it is no longer part of the original database that prohibits us from using it based on the database rights. At that point it is part of a completely different set of information. It is retrieved one factoid at a time and the origin of the data is no longer an issue. Thanks, GerardM Why are we talking about the license of Wikidata in this thread? Come to think of it, why are we still talking at all in this thread? On 8 April 2014 10:40, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Gerard, I think you mean There are organisations that want to share CC-0 information with us under a CC-0 license and there are those who want to share CC-0 information under a CC-by license. We are fine with organizations sharing CC-by information under a CC-by license, no? O and I agree completely on the Wikidata thing. Jane PS: I also agree that the person who said these words is, in fact a member of the community like the rest of us and therefore has every right to use those words in a meeting during which community issues are being discussed. I have heard worse in discussions by members of one part of the community (Commons people) talking about other members of the community (Dutch Wikipedians) and the other way around. Maybe it's a cultural thing and we swear a lot in our internal meetups in the Netherlands, dunno about that, but I never felt offended when I heard these statements and in context have agreed with both parties. 2014-04-08 8:22 GMT+02:00, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com : Hoi, Take one step back. What our aim is, is to share in the sum of all knowledge. Arguably, this is the main and overriding objective of what we do. There are many strategies to get to the point where we share information. From where I stand, with Wikidata we have the opportunity to do better than with an only Wikipedia strategy: with Wikipedia we share the sum of knowledge that is available in one Wikipedia and with Wikidata we share in the sum of all the knowledge that is available to us. Wikidata provides access to more information than any Wikipedia by a large margin. There are those in our communities who aim to restrict the practices that realise Wikidata as the resource of information that is available to us. To say it in a political correct way, they can be and should be ignored. There are organisations that want to share information with us under a CC-0 license and there are those who want to share information under a CC-by license. The later can and should be ignored as well. However, when I am to argue these points in a
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announce] WMMX's assembly and new Board
Congratulations new board.. -- *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* Administrator | Bengali Wikipediahttp://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive Member | IEG Committee, Wikimedia Foundationhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/People Social Media Interaction Expert | The Daily Prothom-Alohttp://www.prothom-alo.com Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Foundation Network http://www.okfn.org Treasurer | Bangladesh Open Source Network (BdOSN) http://www.bdosn.org Task Force Member | Mozilla Bangladesh http://www.mozillabd.org fb.com/nhasive | @nhasive http://www.twitter.com/nhasive | Skype: nhasive | www.nhasive.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Reminder] Language Engineering IRC Office Hour on April 09, 2014 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC
Hello, A reminder that the Language Engineering IRC office hour will be happening later today at 1700UTC/1000PDT on #wikimedia-office. Please see below for the original announcement, local time and other details. Thanks Runa Monthly IRC Office Hour: == # Date: April 9, 2014 # Time: 1700 UTC/1000PDT (Check local time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140409T1700) # IRC channel: #wikimedia-office # Agenda: 1. Translation file format changes 2. Other project updates 3. Q A (Questions can be sent to me ahead of the event) -- Forwarded message -- From: Runa Bhattacharjee rbhattachar...@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 9:09 PM Subject: Language Engineering IRC Office Hour on April 09, 2014 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC To: MediaWiki internationalisation mediawiki-i...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, wikitech-ambassad...@lists.wikimedia.org [x-posted] Hello, The Language Engineering team will be hosting the next monthly IRC office hour on Wednesday, April 9 2014 at 1700 UTC at #wikimedia-office. We will be discussing about our recent work and provide updates related to changes in the translation file format (PHP to JSON) for MediaWiki core and extensions. As always, we will be taking questions during the session. Please see below for event details and local time. See you at the office hour. Thanks Runa Monthly IRC Office Hour: == # Date: April 9, 2014 # Time: 1700 UTC/1000PDT (Check local time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140409T1700) # IRC channel: #wikimedia-office # Agenda: 1. Translation file format changes 2. Other project updates 3. Q A (Questions can be sent to me ahead of the event) -- Language Engineering - Outreach and QA Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Communications Patterns Around the World
I stumbled across this last night and laughed out loud for a very long time. May be useful for the folks headed to Berlin, in particular :) (Obligatory: go Canada!) Thanks, Sue http://www.businessinsider.com.au/communication-charts-around-the-world-2014-3 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] New Commons RFC on changing the Precautionary principle to tackle the URAA problem
I have made a proposal to relax the scope of the Commons so-called Precautionary principle to allow the site to host more of the locally public domain files that are being deleted because of the US URAA law, and also to keep more photos that have freedom of panorama in their home country but which might (or might not) be copyright-protected in the US. This proposal comes out of an extremely long and complicated argument about copyright, which you don't necessarily need to get into, but it is an attempt to allow Commons to host more media files while at the same time ensuring that the site remains fully legal under US law. We can legally take a much more nuanced position than 'Definitely Free' or 'Definitely Unfree', which is pretty much what we do at present. Some editors have suggested ignoring US law, which the WMF simply cannot allow to happen, and this is an attempt to allow us to keep more non-US Public Domain material while still remaining on the right side of US law. Put simply, do you agree that Commons should aim to host more files that are public domain in their home country even if they *might* still be copyright-protected in the US? Please contribute here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Review_of_Precautionary_principle Michael ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Thanks to the people who made Echo, VisualEditor and Wikidata
Something positive... I just wanted to express my sincere thanks to the people who made Echo, VisualEditor and Wikidata. Many of them happen to be my colleagues, but I thank them here as a Wikimedian who frequently does editing workshops. I did a workshop today, and I was really happy to have these three pieces of software. Echo, because a participant specifically asked whether he would get a notification if someone reverted his edit. I was happy to say that a few months ago a feature was deployed that does just that. A year ago I wouldn't be able to say that. VisualEditor, because it saved so much time, both for the newbies and for the workshop organizers. In the past I would spend many minutes explaining about [[]], , '', ref name= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ; and other monstrosities. Today I just told them to use VisualEditor. In particular, I want to thank the VE developers for the recently released feature for editing the image properties. A year ago I wouldn't be able to say that. Wikidata, because many people there wrote translations of articles, and adding interlanguage links was easy and natural. Click Add links, pick a language, write the title, that's it. Two years ago I would have to explain about square brackets and colons. Some of them just did it by themselves without even asking me. So thank you so much. PS: They also liked UniversalLanguageSelector for easy switching of the interface language and for being able to effortlessly type in Amharic. I'm really biased about this, but I do thank everybody in my team for this. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks to the people who made Echo, VisualEditor and Wikidata
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: In the past I would spend many minutes explaining about [[]], , '', ref name= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ; and other monstrosities. You should never, ever use URL as a name for a reference. :-) But I want to join you in thanking the people behind Echo; it's a feature I use virtually everyday, and one without which I cannot imagine discussing any issue on-wiki; I only wish more people used it so I wouldn't miss all those interesting debates! Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] ELWP reaches 100000 articles
Dear colleagues, Please join me in congratulating our colleagues of the Greek Wikipedia, upon reaching 10 articles, a symbolic milestone for Wikipedias. Some of them are on this list, but a lot more people would see and appreciate your message on-wiki, so you can sign and (if you like) add a message in your language, here: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3%CF%85%CE%B6%CE%AE%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B7_%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:100.000_%CE%BB%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1 Cheers, Asaf -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] ELWP reaches 100000 articles
Callooh! Callay! Congratulations to the language that gave so many other languages[1] the word Encyclopedia. [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5292#sitelinks-wikipedia -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-10 0:13 GMT+03:00 Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org: Dear colleagues, Please join me in congratulating our colleagues of the Greek Wikipedia, upon reaching 10 articles, a symbolic milestone for Wikipedias. Some of them are on this list, but a lot more people would see and appreciate your message on-wiki, so you can sign and (if you like) add a message in your language, here: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3%CF%85%CE%B6%CE%AE%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B7_%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:100.000_%CE%BB%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1 Cheers, Asaf -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] ELWP reaches 100000 articles
Wow..congratulations.. -- Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive Sysop, Bengali Wikipedia Member, IEG Committee Sent from my Android Tablet On Apr 10, 2014 3:19 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Callooh! Callay! Congratulations to the language that gave so many other languages[1] the word Encyclopedia. [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5292#sitelinks-wikipedia -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-10 0:13 GMT+03:00 Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org: Dear colleagues, Please join me in congratulating our colleagues of the Greek Wikipedia, upon reaching 10 articles, a symbolic milestone for Wikipedias. Some of them are on this list, but a lot more people would see and appreciate your message on-wiki, so you can sign and (if you like) add a message in your language, here: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3%CF%85%CE%B6%CE%AE%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B7_%CE%92%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B4%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1:100.000_%CE%BB%CE%AE%CE%BC%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%B1 Cheers, Asaf -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
