[Wikimedia-l] The Economist: Wikipeaks? The popular online encyclopedia must work out what is next

2014-04-21 Thread ENWP Pine
Here's a recent article from The Economist. Some of the reader comments about 
the article were interesting, especially considering the population that is 
likely to be reading and commenting about an article in The Economist.

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21597959-popular-online-encyclopedia-must-work-out-what-next-wikipeaks

Pine
  
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia España (WM Spain) Report October 2013 to February 2014

2014-04-21 Thread Jorge Sierra
Dear fellows,

Here is the Activity Report of Wikimedia España (WMES) from October 2013 to
February 2014. Please forgive the delay.

All the reports are avaliable on these links:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Espa%C3%B1a/2013-10-12
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Espa%C3%B1a/2014-01-02

Kind regards,

-- 
Jorge A. Sierra
Presidente
Wikimedia España
http://www.wikimedia.org.es



October

   - 3.10.2013: 2 Workshops for students of Traducción en interpretación
   Degree at University Jaume I of Castellón, for Aprendices de traducción
   
projecthttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proyecto_educativo/Aprendices_de_traducci%C3%B3n_con_la_Wikipedia
   - 5.10.2013: Talk about Wikimedia projects at Ciberia Lan
Partyhttp://ciberia.org/in Segorbe (Valencian Community)
   - 5-6.10.2013: Coverage of the Spain Truck Grand Prix 2013 at the Jarama
   Circuit. Wikinews:
[1]https://es.wikinews.org/wiki/Antonio_Albacete_se_acerca_al_t%C3%ADtulo_europeo_en_el_Gran_Premio_Cami%C3%B3n_de_Espa%C3%B1a_2013,
   and Commons:
[2]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GP_Cami%C3%B3n_de_Espa%C3%B1a_2013_-_Supported_by_Wikimedia_Espa%C3%B1a
   - 6.10.2013: Photographic coverage of a stage of Spanish ciclocross
   championship in Oviedo, Spain
[3]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Spain_cyclocross_championship_2013
   - 13.10.2013: Taking photos of Faitanar, a neibourghood in Valencia,
   Spain. More than 300 photos uploaded, and 15 subcategories created.
   - 12-15.10.2013: Participation of 2 members in Wikimedia Iberoconf 2013
   in Mexico City
   - 22.10.2013: Press (photographical coverage) of Seminci 2013.
   Valladolid. [4] http://www.seminci.es/indexweb.php Pictures uploaded
   to Commons: 
[5]http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Seminci_2013_-_Supported_by_Wikimedia_Espa%C3%B1a
   - 25.10.2013: Meeting of wikimedians in Madrid. Discussed possibility of
   organising Iberoconf'14.
   - 26.10.2013: Gave a How to Edit Wikipedia (both code and VE)
   presentation and workshop at Medialab Prado for the course Women,
   Technologies of Information, and Activism. Aprox. 30 women attended, and
   their progress will be followed using the WikiMetrics tool. Madrid.
   - 29.10.2013: Virtual meeting in WMES IRC Freenode channel to talk about
   Iberoconf 2013
   - 30.10.2013: Talk and workshop about Wikipedia at Universidad
   Pontificia Comillas de Madrid
[6]http://www.upcomillas.es/noticias/actividadcompleta.aspx?ID=2097

November

   - 05.11.2013: Meeting with Paradores de Turismo.
   - 06.11.2013: II Introductory Wikipedia workshop in Oviedo. First
   session.
   - 07.11.2013: Two workshops about editing Wikipedia (2nd session) for
   Traslation Degree of Jaume I University of Castelló.
   - 09.11.2013: II Introductory Wikipedia workshop in Oviedo. Second
   session.
   - 12.11.2013: Meeting of wikimedians in Barcelona
   - 12.11.2013: Collaboration with Eldiario.es, where an article about
   Wikipedia was written Cuando los artículos de Wikipedia son
pagadoshttp://www.eldiario.es/turing/wikipedia-articulos-pagados_0_193530871.html
   - 13.11.2013: Participation in the International Seminary organized by
   the Universitat Oberta de Catalunya (UOC), and more concrete by wiki4HE
   Project, two members as speakers and also some members who attended the
   seminary [7] http://oer.uoc.edu/wiki4HE/seminari-internacional/
[8]http://in3.uoc.edu/opencms_portalin3/opencms/es/activitats/seminaris/agenda/2013/agenda_043
   - 15.11.2013: Meeting with University of Valladolid
   - 15.11.2013: Agreement with the Joaquín
Díazhttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joaqu%C3%ADn_D%C3%ADaz_Gonz%C3%A1lezFoundation.
~2500 old pictures uploaded to Commons.
   - 20-11-2013: Conference on the wikiArS initiative during the Semana de
   la 
Cienciahttp://setmanaciencia.fundaciorecerca.cat/ai1ec-event/seminari-geociencia-art-wikipedia-contribuint-amb-il%C2%B7lustracions-lliures-iniciativa-wikiars/(Science
Week) at the Institute of Earth Science Jaume Almera (CSIC,
   Barcelona): Wikipedia, Ciencia y Arte. Contribuyendo ilustraciones
   científicas a través de wikiArS, by David Gómez Fontanills  Daniel
   García-Castellanos [9] http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiArS
[10]http://blog.wikimedia.org.es/2013/11/wikipedia-ciencia-y-arte-generando.html
   - 18-11-2013: Two posters on the
wikiArShttps://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiArSinitiative during
the Semana
   de la 
Cienciahttp://setmanaciencia.fundaciorecerca.cat/ai1ec-event/seminari-geociencia-art-wikipedia-contribuint-amb-il%C2%B7lustracions-lliures-iniciativa-wikiars/
Poster
   on 
thehttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiArs_MessiniaSC-simple-traz.svg
w:en:Messinian
   salinity crisishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Messinian_salinity_crisis
;
   Poster on 
thehttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiArs_Naica_poster.svg
w:en:Naica
   mine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Naica_mine megacrystals
 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Southwood
Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It 
can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a 
string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add 
affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them 
removed

Peter
- Original Message - 
From: Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org

To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username



On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Isarra Yos wrote:


Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be 
the norm.




That sounds like a good plan, although would need to be a plan to cope 
with duplicates, e.g. user:Whatamidoing and user:Whatamidoing (WMF) both 
exist.


Chris


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood 
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:

 Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It
 can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a
 string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add
 affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them
 removed
 Peter
 - Original Message - From: Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org
 To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username




Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? If so, then the affiliation
variable already exists. Building the (WMF) into the username makes the
affiliation close to indelible; if it is confined to a usergroup, then the
removal of the usergroup hides the previously obvious connection between
edit and affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Southwood

Hence the suggestion that the user has to request removal.
Cheers,
Peter
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From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com

To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username



On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood 
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:

Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. 
It

can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a
string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add
affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them
removed
Peter
- Original Message - From: Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username




Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? If so, then the 
affiliation

variable already exists. Building the (WMF) into the username makes the
affiliation close to indelible; if it is confined to a usergroup, then the
removal of the usergroup hides the previously obvious connection between
edit and affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/21/2014 09:16 AM, Nathan wrote:
 Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup?

Most accounts of staff and contractors do not get that usergroup: it is
a very highly privileged group that includes pretty much every
permission on every wiki, and access to it is on a strictly-needed basis.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/Staff lists some 40
accounts with the right - out of 160 staff - mostly of accounts held by
people in LCA.

So the presence of the group is not a usable discriminant.

-- Marc


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[Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Ellie Young
Dear Wikimedians,

On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we have 
accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be further 
vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we hope to 
confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia Mexico!

We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well for 
all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our consideration. 
As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to have so many who want 
to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires a substantial time 
investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s hard work.

For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect to 
issue the Request for Proposals  for 2016 by September this year.

Sincerely,

Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator
On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Patricio Lorente
¡Felicitaciones Wikimedia México! Great news!

Enviado desde mi teléfono celular
Disculpe la brevedad.
El 21/04/2014 14:28, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org escribió:

 Dear Wikimedians,

 On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we
 have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be
 further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we
 hope to confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia
 Mexico!

 We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well
 for all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our
 consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to
 have so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires a
 substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s hard
 work.

 For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect to
 issue the Request for Proposals  for 2016 by September this year.

 Sincerely,

 Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator
 On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Àlex Hinojo
Congrats! WMMX!! And thanks to all other teams who presented their
proposals :-)

Àlex Hinojo
Amical Wikimedia


2014-04-21 19:29 GMT+02:00 Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com:

 ¡Felicitaciones Wikimedia México! Great news!

 Enviado desde mi teléfono celular
 Disculpe la brevedad.
 El 21/04/2014 14:28, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org escribió:

  Dear Wikimedians,
 
  On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we
  have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be
  further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we
  hope to confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia
  Mexico!
 
  We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well
  for all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our
  consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to
  have so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires
 a
  substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s
 hard
  work.
 
  For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect
 to
  issue the Request for Proposals  for 2016 by September this year.
 
  Sincerely,
 
  Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator
  On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Dennis Tobar
¡Felicitaciones a mis amigos de Wikimedia México!

Congrats Wikimedia Mexico =)


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Dear Wikimedians,

 On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we
 have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be
 further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we
 hope to confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia
 Mexico!

 We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well
 for all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our
 consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to
 have so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires a
 substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s hard
 work.

 For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect to
 issue the Request for Proposals  for 2016 by September this year.

 Sincerely,

 Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator
 On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Erlend Bjørtvedt
Great that wmmx tales on such a tremendous effort for all! Congtatulations!

Erlend Bjørtvedt
WmNO

Den mandag 21. april 2014 skrev Àlex Hinojo alexhin...@gmail.com følgende:

 Congrats! WMMX!! And thanks to all other teams who presented their
 proposals :-)

 Àlex Hinojo
 Amical Wikimedia


 2014-04-21 19:29 GMT+02:00 Patricio Lorente 
 patricio.lore...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 :

  ¡Felicitaciones Wikimedia México! Great news!
 
  Enviado desde mi teléfono celular
  Disculpe la brevedad.
  El 21/04/2014 14:28, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org javascript:;
 escribió:
 
   Dear Wikimedians,
  
   On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee,
 we
   have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be
   further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time
 we
   hope to confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia
   Mexico!
  
   We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as
 well
   for all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our
   consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to
   have so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process
 requires
  a
   substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s
  hard
   work.
  
   For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect
  to
   issue the Request for Proposals  for 2016 by September this year.
  
   Sincerely,
  
   Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator
   On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Allan Aguilar
El 21/04/2014 11:27, Ellie Young escribió:
 Dear Wikimedians,
 
 On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we have 
 accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be further 
 vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we hope to 
 confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia Mexico!
 
 We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well for 
 all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our 
 consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to have 
 so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires a 
 substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s hard 
 work.
 
 For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect to 
 issue the Request for Proposals  for 2016 by September this year.
 
 Sincerely,
 
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Congratulations! I am very happy for our fellow Wikimedians at Mexico.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:

 On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
  Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have
  accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?

 I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to
 reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.


Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Brandon Harris

It is so that there is (theoretically) no question when we are 
operating as a staff versus operating as volunteers.


On Apr 21, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
 have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread James Alexander
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org
 wrote:

  On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
   Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have
   accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?
 
  I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to
  reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.
 
 
 Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
 have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.



Aye, given the nature of our work the vast majority of staff have a staff
account of some sort (not everyone uses separate accounts though we
strongly encourage them to). In the end almost everyone on staff has a
reason, at some point, to edit on a public wiki whether they are HR/Finance
( discussions or postings about FDC proposals/budget publications etc) or
technical/community/grant focused. For many that need actually tends to
lean towards meta and/or mediawiki only though a fair bit stretch elsewhere
on the projects ( engineering and community people especially ).

Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin,
central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
engineering).

Overall we don't actually require separate accounts at the moment but I
strongly encourage them, I think it behooves everyone to have a clear
distinction between 'personal' and 'work' actions and the separate accounts
help that significantly. I also think it helps in locking down access if
they depart the foundation at some point.

James

James Alexander
Legal and Community Advocacy
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Peel
Hi James,

On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:16, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
 it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
 to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin,
 central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
 we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
 here
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
 rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
 engineering).

Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't work for me the first time, but 
removing the output= parameter fixes that, so the working URL is:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5
Please can this be turned onto an on-wiki document, rather than being a google 
doc, as it's quite an important one that should be transparent to the community 
as a whole! I'd be happy to help with the wikification if that would be useful.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Christopher Cooper
Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid 
together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host 
Wikimania and I look forward to attending. 

Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and 
where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion 
as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it 
would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was 
disqualified.

Kind regards,
Christopher
User: CT Cooper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper 


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM, James Alexander
jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org
  wrote:
 
   On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
Of the 120 staffers that don't have a staff account, how many have
accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?
  
   I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager most is close to
   reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.
  
  
  Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers
 to
  have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.



 Aye, given the nature of our work the vast majority of staff have a staff
 account of some sort (not everyone uses separate accounts though we
 strongly encourage them to). In the end almost everyone on staff has a
 reason, at some point, to edit on a public wiki whether they are HR/Finance
 ( discussions or postings about FDC proposals/budget publications etc) or
 technical/community/grant focused. For many that need actually tends to
 lean towards meta and/or mediawiki only though a fair bit stretch elsewhere
 on the projects ( engineering and community people especially ).

 Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
 it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
 to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin,
 central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
 we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
 here

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
 rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
 engineering).

 Overall we don't actually require separate accounts at the moment but I
 strongly encourage them, I think it behooves everyone to have a clear
 distinction between 'personal' and 'work' actions and the separate accounts
 help that significantly. I also think it helps in locking down access if
 they depart the foundation at some point.

 James


Thanks, that makes sense. After I asked I thought about project specific
wikis, meta, wikimediafoundation.org, etc. I do see that any staffer may
need access to one or more of these wikis, and with SUL that accounts get
propagated across all projects anyway.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread James Alexander
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 Hi James,

 On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:16, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
  it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is
 now
  to give out no rights or smaller, more focused, rights (meta admin,
  central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
  we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
  here
 
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5output=htmlsysadmin
  rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
  engineering).

 Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't work for me the first time, but
 removing the output= parameter fixes that, so the working URL is:

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHcsingle=truegid=5
 Please can this be turned onto an on-wiki document, rather than being a
 google doc, as it's quite an important one that should be transparent to
 the community as a whole! I'd be happy to help with the wikification if
 that would be useful.

 Thanks,
 Mike


Nemo was nice enough to add it to the the user groups page on meta so that
it's linked from there as well.

Right now it's on a google doc because it is a public view of the tracking
spreadsheet Philippe and I use (which includes staff whose rights requests
were denied or removed as well as some contact info and additional tracking
(for example for the formal staff rights themselves we give training on
what kind of approvals are needed for certain actions and record when that
was done) and so gets automatically updated as I update that. I originally
did it on a private wiki (I have a strong preference for wiki of some sort
vs google docs personally)  but the spreadsheet has just tended to be a
significantly easier tool for tracking and updating. I wouldn't want to
duplicate it on wiki unless we put my whole process there (otherwise it is
significantly more likely to get out of date) and to do that would require
some additional discussion and thinking.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Peel

On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:35, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Right now it's on a google doc because it is a public view of the tracking
 spreadsheet Philippe and I use (which includes staff whose rights requests
 were denied or removed as well as some contact info and additional tracking
 (for example for the formal staff rights themselves we give training on
 what kind of approvals are needed for certain actions and record when that
 was done) and so gets automatically updated as I update that. I originally
 did it on a private wiki (I have a strong preference for wiki of some sort
 vs google docs personally)  but the spreadsheet has just tended to be a
 significantly easier tool for tracking and updating. I wouldn't want to
 duplicate it on wiki unless we put my whole process there (otherwise it is
 significantly more likely to get out of date) and to do that would require
 some additional discussion and thinking.

OK, fair enough. It would be nice to see the entire process take place 
transparently on meta, if possible.

Thanks,
Mike
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of January 2014 meeting

2014-04-21 Thread Stephen LaPorte
At the request of the WMF Board of Trustees, I am posting the minutes of
the January 31 - February 1, 2014 meeting, which you may find here:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-01-31

Best,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of January 2014 meeting

2014-04-21 Thread Michael Peel
Hi all,

Stephen, thanks for posting this. :-)

From my perspective, there's two items of particular interest here that I 
haven't seen discussed on this list or elsewhere - namely Disrupting the 
disrupters and Community council. The board minutes aren't really sufficient 
to understand the details of what the WMF board members are thinking about with 
these topics, so I'd like to ask the WMF board members if they would be willing 
to share their understanding of what these topics entail either here or on-wiki 
please?

(BTW, in general I'm much more in favour of seeing detailed minutes that 
explain what was discussed, why it was discussed, and what individual people 
thought, rather than high-level summary minutes that say what was discussed 
without explaining the details. The [[Five Ws]] and the additional 'how' are an 
excellent guide here!)

Thanks,
Mike

On 21 Apr 2014, at 20:14, Stephen LaPorte slapo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 At the request of the WMF Board of Trustees, I am posting the minutes of the 
 January 31 - February 1, 2014 meeting, which you may find here:
 
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-01-31
 
 Best,
 
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 Legal Counsel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Aya Mahfouz
Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City!

I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the
winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I
would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too.

Kind Regards,
Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper 
ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

 Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid
 together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host
 Wikimania and I look forward to attending.

 Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen
 and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for
 digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was
 clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why the
 Dar es Salaam was disqualified.

 Kind regards,
 Christopher
 User: CT Cooper

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of January 2014 meeting

2014-04-21 Thread Lodewijk
Thanks for sharing indeed!

I find the community council idea very interesting (some might recall that
proposals have surfaced over time that could be covered by such a name).

Given the topic, I'm going to assume here that this topic will be brought
up for community discussion before anything like a decision will be taken
:) I think an organized way to facilitate community discussion beyond the
mailing list we're writing on now, and simple fora like meta pages, would
be very welcome and could result in more constructive input of high
quality.

Best,
Lodewijk


2014-04-21 21:49 GMT+02:00 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net:

 Hi all,

 Stephen, thanks for posting this. :-)

 From my perspective, there's two items of particular interest here that I
 haven't seen discussed on this list or elsewhere - namely Disrupting the
 disrupters and Community council. The board minutes aren't really
 sufficient to understand the details of what the WMF board members are
 thinking about with these topics, so I'd like to ask the WMF board members
 if they would be willing to share their understanding of what these topics
 entail either here or on-wiki please?

 (BTW, in general I'm much more in favour of seeing detailed minutes that
 explain what was discussed, why it was discussed, and what individual
 people thought, rather than high-level summary minutes that say what was
 discussed without explaining the details. The [[Five Ws]] and the
 additional 'how' are an excellent guide here!)

 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 21 Apr 2014, at 20:14, Stephen LaPorte slapo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  At the request of the WMF Board of Trustees, I am posting the minutes of
 the January 31 - February 1, 2014 meeting, which you may find here:
 
  https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-01-31
 
  Best,
 
  Stephen LaPorte
  Legal Counsel
  Wikimedia Foundation
 
  For legal reasons, I may only serve as an attorney for the Wikimedia
 Foundation. This means I may not give legal advice to or serve as a lawyer
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Anna Torres
Congrats México!

What a great job done! :) Hope to meet all your staff anf fellows asap! Any
help needed from Argentina, just ask and will be handled fondly!

Hugs!


2014-04-21 17:03 GMT-03:00 Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com:

 Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City!

 I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the
 winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I
 would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too.

 Kind Regards,
 Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz


 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper 
 ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

  Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid
  together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host
  Wikimania and I look forward to attending.
 
  Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen
  and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for
  digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was
  clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why
 the
  Dar es Salaam was disqualified.
 
  Kind regards,
  Christopher
  User: CT Cooper
 
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Patricia Pena
¡Felicitaciones Wikimedia México! :)


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Anna Torres a...@wikimedia.org.ar wrote:

 Congrats México!

 What a great job done! :) Hope to meet all your staff anf fellows asap! Any
 help needed from Argentina, just ask and will be handled fondly!

 Hugs!


 2014-04-21 17:03 GMT-03:00 Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com:

  Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City!
 
  I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the
  winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I
  would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too.
 
  Kind Regards,
  Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper 
  ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
 
   Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the
 bid
   together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to
 host
   Wikimania and I look forward to attending.
  
   Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were
 chosen
   and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere
 for
   digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was
   clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why
  the
   Dar es Salaam was disqualified.
  
   Kind regards,
   Christopher
   User: CT Cooper
  
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
  
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Osmar Valdebenito
¡Viva México! Felicitaciones a todo el equipo detrás de la candidatura.

Also, thanks to the Cape Town and Monastir team. I hope they will bid for
next year!

Osmar Valdebenito G.



2014-04-21 18:47 GMT-03:00 Patricia Pena pp...@wikimedia.org:

 ¡Felicitaciones Wikimedia México! :)


 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Anna Torres a...@wikimedia.org.ar
 wrote:

  Congrats México!
 
  What a great job done! :) Hope to meet all your staff anf fellows asap!
 Any
  help needed from Argentina, just ask and will be handled fondly!
 
  Hugs!
 
 
  2014-04-21 17:03 GMT-03:00 Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com:
 
   Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City!
  
   I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing
 the
   winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I
   would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too.
  
   Kind Regards,
   Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz
  
  
   On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper 
   ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
  
Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the
  bid
together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to
  host
Wikimania and I look forward to attending.
   
Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were
  chosen
and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere
  for
digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was
clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to
 why
   the
Dar es Salaam was disqualified.
   
Kind regards,
Christopher
User: CT Cooper
   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of January 2014 meeting

2014-04-21 Thread phoebe ayers
Hi Mike,

Sure. Both were open discussions, and no decisions were taken or specific
proposals developed. And neither topic is in any way limited to being a
board discussion: both are broad-ranging topics concerning all of us. We
took these up to, as a board, have some time to step back and think about
big-picture issues.

The disruption discussion was largely focused around talking about
potential threats and disruptions to our future. These are both current
trends that we see happening and potential things that could happen that
would impact the sustainability and future of Wikipedia and the other
Wikimedia projects. For instance: the rise of mobile impacting how people
access the sites. Young people in school taking Wikipedia for granted
because they've never known anything different (and not realizing they can
help out too). We don't do anything about making video easier to use, and
so we miss out on a whole class of educational material. A competitor could
build a reading and/or editing interface that is far superior to ours,
causing a fork in readers or editors. The rise of more SOPA-like bills
could make our operating environment untenable. (These are just topics that
were raised that I remember off the top of my head, not a complete list).

The discussion was wide-ranging, inconclusive, and was meant to help us
think about risks that could impact the direction of WMF activities as well
as a kind of strategic planning warm-up.

The community council was not a long discussion, and was similarly
inconclusive; it was mostly along the lines of what Lodewijk said, that
this seems to be a need that is long-standing in our community. Other
trustees may have more details to add :)

best,
-- phoebe


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 Hi all,

 Stephen, thanks for posting this. :-)

 From my perspective, there's two items of particular interest here that I
 haven't seen discussed on this list or elsewhere - namely Disrupting the
 disrupters and Community council. The board minutes aren't really
 sufficient to understand the details of what the WMF board members are
 thinking about with these topics, so I'd like to ask the WMF board members
 if they would be willing to share their understanding of what these topics
 entail either here or on-wiki please?

 (BTW, in general I'm much more in favour of seeing detailed minutes that
 explain what was discussed, why it was discussed, and what individual
 people thought, rather than high-level summary minutes that say what was
 discussed without explaining the details. The [[Five Ws]] and the
 additional 'how' are an excellent guide here!)

 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 21 Apr 2014, at 20:14, Stephen LaPorte slapo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  At the request of the WMF Board of Trustees, I am posting the minutes of
 the January 31 - February 1, 2014 meeting, which you may find here:
 
  https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-01-31
 
  Best,
 
  Stephen LaPorte
  Legal Counsel
  Wikimedia Foundation
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-21 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Interesting thoughts.  I have a few brief comments, and will engage further
 (on Meta, perhaps) later:


 2. This does include free knowledge _about_ every last language of the
 world, so by all means: let us preserve all languages' written output on
 Wikisource, and let us document all languages' lexicons on Wiktionary (not
 their own Wiktionary, but active Wiktionaries with existing editing
 communities), but we should not unconditionally spend resources to ensure
 the availability of free knowledge _in_ every last language.  I submit that
 our vision is satisfied by offering free knowledge in the languages people
 use to consume knowledge (a far _far_ smaller subset of even the 280-odd
 language editions we already have).


I like this thought a lot, and I don't think it's inconsistent with Milos'
proposal to save languages. Saving languages, at least as a first-pass
step, might not mean creating a Wikipedia in that language, but rather
working to make as much as has already been published in those languages,
and their lexicons and dictionaries, free and available on Wikisource,
Wikitionary, Wikibooks, etc.

One thing that makes me sad about small and very small languages is that
often there are only one or two dictionaries, and only a few books about
the languages, and these are published by small publishing houses that
can't really keep them in print or distribute them easily to everyone who
might be interested (and they can't possibly be great money makers for the
publisher, either)*. Similarly, online resources and lexicons are often
haphazardly published on unstable servers which may or may not stay up. In
other words, resources *about* languages, which are the first step in
preserving the language, often suffer from simple access issues themselves,
and would be worth effort -- the kind of effort that we are expert in, like
stable hosting and making works available under free licenses.

-- Phoebe

* Most recently I was thinking about this when I was in Oklahoma and
visited a small museum that had books in and about the Chickasaw language,
which is severely endangered:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickasaw_language.

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[Wikimedia-l] community broadband

2014-04-21 Thread James Salsman
http://stopthecap.com/2014/01/30/anti-community-broadband-bill-introduced-in-kansas-legislating-incumbent-protection/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kushnick/alec-tech-and-the-telecom_b_1696830.html

Is the Foundation active on this issue? My question to the
advocacy_advisors mailing list was not approved by the moderator, but
after a few days now I don't have any reason that it's not a
legitimate question. Was there any discussion about whether that list
should be moderated?

Does the Foundation want to base advocacy efforts on issues that can
help a declining number of volunteers instead of the no longer extant
exponentially growing number of volunteers?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] community broadband

2014-04-21 Thread Kevin Gorman
I couldn't think of an appropriate response, so here's some pandas doing
stuff:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/theprotojournalist/2014/04/20/304915015/google-frecking-the-week-in-pandas

But, in seriousness, James: the Foundation is not going to be active on
stuff like pushing for community broadband.  It's not within even the broad
remit of the Foundation.  With this particular one, I'm guessing we'd gain
approximately half an editor per million dollars WMF invested in advocacy
efforts.  Community broadband is a noble cause, and there are many
organizations fighting for it.  We aren't one of them.  We shouldn't be one
of them.  The more you push for the WMF to become a broad-based advocacy
group targeting issues you care about (many of which I also care about,)
and the more often you are told by more people 'this isn't within our
remit,' the less likely future posts of yours that may have really solid
points in them are to be taken seriously.


Kevin Gorman


On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://stopthecap.com/2014/01/30/anti-community-broadband-bill-introduced-in-kansas-legislating-incumbent-protection/


 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kushnick/alec-tech-and-the-telecom_b_1696830.html

 Is the Foundation active on this issue? My question to the
 advocacy_advisors mailing list was not approved by the moderator, but
 after a few days now I don't have any reason that it's not a
 legitimate question. Was there any discussion about whether that list
 should be moderated?

 Does the Foundation want to base advocacy efforts on issues that can
 help a declining number of volunteers instead of the no longer extant
 exponentially growing number of volunteers?

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[Wikimedia-l] The upcoming TOU amendment

2014-04-21 Thread Russavia
I came across Pete Forsyth's blog on the upcoming TOU amendment at:

http://wikistrategies.net/terms-of-use-amendment

and it raises quite a few interesting talking points.

Thought you all might like to take a peek and discuss.

Cheers

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] community broadband

2014-04-21 Thread James Salsman
... the Foundation is not going to be active on stuff like
 pushing for community broadband.

Who is going to stop monoculture ISPs from interposing ads on top of
Foundation content HTTP streams?

... It's not within even the broad remit of the Foundation.

That's entirely debatable. It's far more empowering to give someone
10x faster internet at cost plus than keep them on a slow line paying
three times as much to make sure CEOs get more villas in France than
it is to be one of 8,000 voices in the copyright policy cacophony.

I welcome a cost-benefit-risk-resource analysis of all strategic
options, based on facts instead of mere assertions.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The upcoming TOU amendment

2014-04-21 Thread Nathan
Pete's emphasis on transparency, disclosure and an absolutist approach to
conflict of interest brings up an interesting issue. Pete is the only
Wikipedian I'm aware of to have developed a full time consulting career
centered on the English Wikipedia. His Wiki Strategies company has a fairly
robust statement of ethics, including assertions that any editing by either
himself or his clients will come attached to a conflict of interest
warning. The statement is impressive and laudable, although it does not
link to any list of projects or clients that an observer might use to see
it in action. Still, a very good start, and Pete rightly encourages other
entrepreneurs to adopt his standards.

But despite some searching, I haven't found any overt disclosures of a
relationship between any companies and Wiki Strategies, or any detail about
which companies or articles Wiki Strategies have had a hand in guiding. I
notice that on his Signpost interview Pete links to the Pixetell article as
an example of his work; Pete apparently edited that article at least once
several years before disclosing that he had (at one time) a connection
with Ontier/Pixetell. While Pete does say that he worked with the company
on the article, I don't see where it was made clear that this was in his
capacity as a for-profit, paid consultant. The limited disclosure came only
after the company was evidently acquired and shut down, and barely 50 edits
before he mentions it in the Signpost interview.

I'm also a little concerned that Pete created his consulting company in
February 2009, prior to his employment by the WMF (which began towards the
end of 2009). The announcement of his hiring describes his background in
some detail, but does not refer to his consulting business. The consulting
business and his employment at the WMF then continued in parallel for two
years, and there is no reference on his site, his LinkedIn profile or his
userpage that the business was mothballed while he was employed.

I don't mean to accuse Pete of doing anything that violated policies on the
English Wikipedia, and I'm not aware of any internal policies that might
apply. But it does strike me that his userpage is a bit of an advertisement
for his business (on it, he links to the Wiki Strategies contact form and
invites people to contact him there), and that there is some mystery
surrounding the consultancy and its activities. Of course all this serves
to support part of Pete's point in his blog post; transparency is tough to
successfully mandate, and hardly solves all of the inherent issues
surrounding for-profit engagement with Wikimedia content.

~Nathan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The upcoming TOU amendment

2014-04-21 Thread Pete Forsyth
Nathan, thank you for the reflection on my practices. I'll take these point
by point below.

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pete's emphasis on transparency, disclosure and an absolutist approach to
 conflict of interest brings up an interesting issue. Pete is the only
 Wikipedian I'm aware of to have developed a full time consulting career
 centered on the English Wikipedia. His Wiki Strategies company has a fairly
 robust statement of ethics,


Thank you. I have worked hard to get it right, and should also credit my
cofounder John Wallin with much of the thinking that went into this. Still,
these are complex issues, and I am very interested to hear feedback on it.

including assertions that any editing by either
 himself or his clients will come attached to a conflict of interest
 warning. The statement is impressive and laudable, although it does not
 link to any list of projects or clients that an observer might use to see
 it in action. Still, a very good start, and Pete rightly encourages other
 entrepreneurs to adopt his standards.


Thanks for that. Also, I'd like to note -- I licensed that document CC
BY-ND, and would be gladly consider any requests from individuals or
businesses who request the right to publish derivative works.


 But despite some searching, I haven't found any overt disclosures of a
 relationship between any companies and Wiki Strategies, or any detail about
 which companies or articles Wiki Strategies have had a hand in guiding.


This is something I tried to cover in the Statement itself, but I'm happy
to discuss.

I never edit Wikipedia articles on behalf of my corporate clients, so in my
view, there is no compelling ethical reason why a connection between me and
the company should be disclosed.

I guide my clients in proactive transparency. In some cases, where there is
already some on-wiki activity like tagging the article (like the Pixetell
example), this means reaching out specifically to the Wikipedians who have
placed tags; in others, where the article might not have attracted much
attention, it means reaching out to a relevant WikiProject or two.

They will often state that they have sought out some guidance. I do not
believe it is ethically significant who their guidance comes from, or
whether they paid for it. It would be significant to the general
deliberation around business models, yes, to have more specific examples to
point to; but I don't feel my clients are obliged in any way to contribute
to that, and the additional scrutiny it might bring would not be to their
benefit. (Keep in mind, they already *actively seek out* more scrutiny than
most COI editors get.)

I
 notice that on his Signpost interview Pete links to the Pixetell article as
 an example of his work; Pete apparently edited that article at least once
 several years before disclosing that he had (at one time) a connection
 with Ontier/Pixetell. While Pete does say that he worked with the company
 on the article, I don't see where it was made clear that this was in his
 capacity as a for-profit, paid consultant. The limited disclosure came only
 after the company was evidently acquired and shut down, and barely 50 edits
 before he mentions it in the Signpost interview.


Sure. The disclosure came at the time when I edited the article of a
(former) client, which was indeed shortly before, and in preparation for,
what I wanted to say in the Signpost interview.

The one edit I made prior to that may or may not have been after I had
signed a contract -- I don't recall for sure -- but regardless, it was not
to the content of the article. It was to an inline comment in the article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pixetelldiff=329586013oldid=329561566

I'm also a little concerned that Pete created his consulting company in
 February 2009, prior to his employment by the WMF (which began towards the
 end of 2009). The announcement of his hiring describes his background in
 some detail, but does not refer to his consulting business. The consulting
 business and his employment at the WMF then continued in parallel for two
 years, and there is no reference on his site, his LinkedIn profile or his
 userpage that the business was mothballed while he was employed.


I discussed my consulting practice extensively in my interview process for
my position at Wikimedia, and also with my supervisor after I was hired.
Nobody had any concerns. Still, I was very busy in my work for WMF; as it
turns out I did only one side project, which was the Pixetell project. I
did casually maintain my business relationship with other previous clients
during that time, but I did not take any payment or do any projects on
their behalf. Also, Wiki Strategies did a little other work for Pixetell in
that time, but it was conducted by my then partner and was unrelated to
Wikipedia or any Wikimedia projects.

I don't mean to accuse Pete of doing anything that violated policies on the
 English 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we
 have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be
 further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we
 hope to confirm the award.


Congrats to Wikimedia Mexico. :)

I have only one concern about possibly attending a Mexico City Wikimania,
which is safety. The bid on Meta sort of acknowledges this by saying
Safety is like any big city, some areas are unsafe at night.

I feel a bit like a dumb, xenophobic American bringing this up, but I have
to be honest and say Mexico tends to have a reputation for violent
crime.[1] Sources do seem to suggest Mexico City proper may be
better,[2][3] but it would be comforting to hear how we've assessed the bid
regarding the safety issue, and how we're going to be prepared in case the
worst (robberies, kidnappings) do happen.

1.
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/alertswarnings/mexico-travel-warning.html
2.
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/mexico/mexico-city/practical-information/health
3.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g150800-s206/Mexico-City:Mexico:Health.And.Safety.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Tonmoy Khan
Congratulations to Mexican friends :)
On Apr 22, 2014 7:09 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we
  have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be
  further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we
  hope to confirm the award.


 Congrats to Wikimedia Mexico. :)

 I have only one concern about possibly attending a Mexico City Wikimania,
 which is safety. The bid on Meta sort of acknowledges this by saying
 Safety is like any big city, some areas are unsafe at night.

 I feel a bit like a dumb, xenophobic American bringing this up, but I have
 to be honest and say Mexico tends to have a reputation for violent
 crime.[1] Sources do seem to suggest Mexico City proper may be
 better,[2][3] but it would be comforting to hear how we've assessed the bid
 regarding the safety issue, and how we're going to be prepared in case the
 worst (robberies, kidnappings) do happen.

 1.

 http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/alertswarnings/mexico-travel-warning.html
 2.
 http://www.lonelyplanet.com/mexico/mexico-city/practical-information/health
 3.

 http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g150800-s206/Mexico-City:Mexico:Health.And.Safety.html
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: COI editing by WMF staff

2014-04-21 Thread rupert THURNER
-- Forwarded message --
From: Zack Exley zex...@thoughtworks.com
Date: Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI editing by WMF staff
To: rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org


Yes, sorry - I was being immature with that comment. I was just
feeling grumpy. But I do think this kind of thing is very counter
productive and off-putting for new and low-level editors who would
like to do good work. It's just too bad. The community of editors is
shrinking and the experience that new editors are having is getting
worse and worse. I am very worried about the future of Wikipedia.

There are so many amazing editors. The problem is not that
experienced editors are being mean to newbies. In fact, analysis we
did while I was still at WMF (that we were never able to refine and
verify to publishable quality) showed that the vast majority of heavy
editors are welcoming and good to editors. But a few are not. And a
huge portion of editors who are like me -- i.e. who would really like
to contribute more, but need to learn more -- find their talk pages
covered with cryptic warnings and have their first articles (whether
they're about themselves or a legitimate topic) deleted.

This is totally anecdotal -- I'm not sure if anyone's actually
benchmarking this -- but I feel like I keep finding gaps in Wikipedia
that wouldn't have been there a few years ago. Like new bands, local
politicians, software products etc... I want to read about these
things on Wikipedia, not on commercial sites. So does the bast
majority of the world.

If the community continues to shrink and Wikipedia continues to fall
behind, it's only a matter of time before a Google or Facebook or new
start up takes what Wikipedians have created and continues in a more
open and inviting way.

Hopefully that's a more mature version of my offhand, frustrated
comment about grinding Wikipedia to halt from yesterday.


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:44 AM, rupert THURNER
rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  I haven't read this thread, but I'll explain my editing history as
  Wikitedium:
 
  First of all, I listed my user name as soon as I started at Wikipedia. It's
  still listed here on my (out of date) staff/contractor page:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zackexley
 
  I did start an article about myself a long time ago. I didn't know there
  was a policy against it. I wasn't an active editor and knew virtually no
  policies. I created the article because right wing media personalities were
  doing hit pieces on me and the Republican party was sending out emails
  asking people to write letters to the editor about me featuring lots of
  false facts. So I saw Wikipedia as an open encyclopedia that anyone can
  edit where I could set the record straight. Later I learned it was against
  policy and FELT REALLY BAD.
 
  As for the other edits on projects I was involved with. My personal opinion
  is that those kinds of edits are vital to the future of Wikipedia. I want
  everyone to add everything they're working on to Wikipedia -- and then all
  their critics to come and add what they know. I'm saddened every time I go
  looking for something I expect to be in Wikipedia and find nothing -- and
  am forced to rely on the organization's own site or whatever.
 
  OK -- I think that's all you need from me. Now enjoy yourselves as you
  continue to grind Wikipedia to a whining halt.

 zack, i find this a little offending. most of the persons in this
 discussion thread did more edits in the last months than you in your
 lifetime - and this without touching an article about self, or
 accepting that the colleagues at work do so. its you who gets a 6
 digit number of donors money wired to your bank account every year.
 you can be sure they did not give it because of your edits.

 instead of feeling bad you might consider doing something about the
 cause. e.g. you might propose your own article for deletion
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion).

 what makes this whole story confusing to me are the following pages:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Organizing_Institute
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_freeman
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Carteroni
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mstemp

 the zack exley wikipedia page says you are president of new organizing
 institute, and you let some one time wikipedia user create an article
 about your organization again, and let another one time user create a
 page for your only partner in that organization? after feeling
 terribly bad? after being chief community officer at WMF responsible
 for developing the foundations relationship with the editing
 community?

 many thanks, zack, that you are there. otherwise the whole thing
 would have fallen apart (wikimedia), as you say in this interview:
 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote:

 it would be comforting to hear how we've assessed the bid
 regarding the safety issue, and how we're going to be prepared in case the
 worst (robberies, kidnappings) do happen.


Not a small concern.  But, I should point out, one that we've dealt with
before.  We had laptops stolen in Argentina, and physical safety concerns
in Alexandria, as I recall.  I say this not to put a panacea of oh, there
there, it'll be fine in place, but to assure people that this is something
that I know that Garfield and Elle, and the rest of the WMF team working on
this will consider and keep in mind. :-)

pb


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Ivan Martínez
Thanks to all for your kindly regards and comments :)

Steven, concerning to the public safety, our city are different from the
known issues of the northern states of the country. In the link you quote
for United States citizens are properly pointed for Mexico City: no
advisory is in effect. Also, the Centro Historico area (the venue are in
the north of this Downtown area) is safe for tourism. But we will have in
addition the special support and coordination with the Mexico City
authorities for more vigilance and a special operative for reduce any risk
to the minimum in the venue and their perimeter.



2014-04-21 22:55 GMT-05:00 Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org:

 On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  it would be comforting to hear how we've assessed the bid
  regarding the safety issue, and how we're going to be prepared in case
 the
  worst (robberies, kidnappings) do happen.
 

 Not a small concern.  But, I should point out, one that we've dealt with
 before.  We had laptops stolen in Argentina, and physical safety concerns
 in Alexandria, as I recall.  I say this not to put a panacea of oh, there
 there, it'll be fine in place, but to assure people that this is something
 that I know that Garfield and Elle, and the rest of the WMF team working on
 this will consider and keep in mind. :-)

 pb


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-21 Thread Nurunnaby Chowdhury
Congratulation WMMX!


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.comwrote:

 On 4/21/2014 9:46 PM, Ivan Martínez wrote:

 Thanks to all for your kindly regards and comments :)

 Steven, concerning to the public safety, our city are different from the
 known issues of the northern states of the country.

 In this context, I think it's worth pointing out that one of the more
 likely scenarios for an incident involves attendees traveling to or from
 the conference. Wikimania regularly brings in people who, whether for cost
 reasons, side journeys, or out of enthusiasm for modes other than air
 travel, may not be flying directly in and out. If anyone chooses to travel
 overland, they would be well advised to take careful precautions as to safe
 routes and methods. I'm not sure how much assistance the Mexico City team
 can provide in that regard, but it would be good to identify resources that
 can help people plan their travels wisely.

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