Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Carlos M. Colina
El 21/04/2014 02:15 a.m., Asaf Bartov escribió: 3. An example: some time ago, our colleagues in Chile wanted to spend (not a lot of) movement funds on printing the Welcome to Wikipedia booklet in Rapa Nui. Rapa Nui is (perhaps) spoken by fewer than 3000 people, no doubt mostly without facility

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-22 Thread Gryllida
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, at 0:58, Isarra Yos wrote: On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Richard Symonds
Christopher, Aya, Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Milos Rancic, 21/04/2014 00:18: * Nemo, the right approach is: those projects failed and there are reasons for that. What are the reasons? How can we fix it in future cases? How can we revive failed projects? I don't accept not possible answer:) Sometimes you have to accept it. :) I only talk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Milos, welcome back. Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is to help conserve them. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I say,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Andrea Zanni
[snip] For the things we could do, I quote form other people: * encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for new/endangered languages. You could scan books or documents if the language is written, or record audio/interviews and put that on Commons if t the language is just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Chris Keating
I'd certainly take quite a broad view of which languages fulfill our mission. Certainly I wouldn't be comfortable with arguments as simple as All people who speak Y also read X, so there's no purpose putting resources into Y. Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I cannot cite anything, but there should be studies that show that even though most people are bilingual or reported as bilingual in their regional language and another major language, they are more comfortable in getting education in their regional language. I'm pretty sure that there are such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
With this I agree. If this depended on me, I'd give this resources. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2014-04-22 15:43 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Tue, Apr 22,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Projects that are focused on language revitalization per se should be given less priority when resources are limited, even though it breaks my heart to say this. I don't think that we are dealing here with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to about this. I mentioned Scots Gaelic with a good reason. Not counting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some ideas how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving

[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata IRC office hour

2014-04-22 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey everyone :) I'll be doing another Wikidata office hour on IRC. It will take place on May 19th at 5PM UTC in #wikimedia-office. For your timezone please see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Wikidata+office+houriso=20140519T17p1=136ah=1 I'll be giving a status update

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
How many languages exist? |_ How many languages have written works? |_How many languages have UNICODE support? That is the max number of Wikisource projects we can create :-P 2014-04-22 15:12 GMT+02:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Unicode support is not that big of a deal. It's growing all the time, and the Unicode standard itself is ahead of Wikipedia and will likely remain ahead of it for a while. The operating systems' actual support for it is far from perfect, but it isn't a huge in itself either. Existence of written

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Rodrigo Padula
Excellent!! Great news! Felicitaciones a todos amigos de Wikimedia México! Best regards Rodrigo Padula Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil Education Program Coordinator - Brazil Ação Educativa 2014-04-21 14:27 GMT-03:00 Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org: Dear Wikimedians, On the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Patricio Molina
¡Felicitaciones a los hermanos mexicanos! – Patricio On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear Wikimedians, On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Aya Mahfouz
Thanks Richard for the reply! Will there be any public report with a matrix indicating the scores of the bidding cities in each judging criterion? Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Christopher,

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Nederland report over March

2014-04-22 Thread Sandra Rientjes Wikimedia Nederland
The Wikimedia Nederland monthly report over March is available on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201403 . It is also included as text in this message. *COMMUNITY: supporting and mobilising volunteers and editors* · DBpedia -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I cannot cite anything, but there should be studies that show that even though most people are bilingual or reported as bilingual in their regional language and another major language, they are more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Nederland report over March

2014-04-22 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
Thanks, Sandra. Especially, congratulations for your big external fund! Best Cornelius Cornelius Kibelka Twitter: @jaancornelius Mobile:+351-91-9860232 (Vodafone PT) German number currently offline On 22 April 2014 10:08, Sandra Rientjes Wikimedia Nederland rient...@wikimedia.nl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Christopher Cooper
Thanks for the information. I've updated https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids based on this information. I agree with Aya that a public posting of the scoring matrix would be great as well. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper

[Wikimedia-l] Funding strategies

2014-04-22 Thread Anna Torres
Dear all, As it happens with education program regarding the material provided like Case of Studies, Is there anything similar relative to the different funding strategies carried out by the the chapters? Thanks in advance! -- Anna Torres Adell Directora Ejecutiva *A.C Wikimedia Argentina*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread ido ivri
I second what Amir is saying, although I understand the heartbreak. Ido On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote: Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Richard Symonds
No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public - and for that matter, neither did I! I am also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Aya Mahfouz
@Richard I know that no public reports were released previously. But if it starts to be a habit, it will help elevate the transparency of the process. Concerning the grid the Judges real names can be anonymized to be Judge 1, Judge 2 and so on. As for the second guessing issue, I think it can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Christopher Cooper
I find it difficult to believe it would be that bad. Yes, it might causes some issues if it turned out that a bid won because it was the least worst and was actually still very unpopular with the jury. However, I think people understand that no bid is ever perfect and wouldn't expect every jury

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Ivan Martínez
Michael, thanks for the recommendations. We will add this information to the public information of the event. I think most popular overland ways to come to Mexico from the States are safe, but is more safe have this information direct from the Mexico Federal Government. Regards. 2014-04-22

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread Andy Cruz y Corro
Hi Steven! Thanks for your comments. I'm part of the WMMX bidding team and I happen to live in the Centro Historico area (only a few bus stops away from the venue). Even though it's anecdotal, I can say that *a good deal of my free time is spent in this zone and I've never experienced crime

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

2014-04-22 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote: [snip] For the things we could do, I quote form other people: * encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for new/endangered languages. You could scan books or documents if the language is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015

2014-04-22 Thread phoebe ayers
Congratulations Mexico! I can't wait to visit the amazing Mexico City :) And, a big thank you to all the bidders, everyone who commented and participated, and to the selection jury, steering committee, and Ellie. This is the first year in a long time that I haven't been involved in the Wikimania

[Wikimedia-l] The Signpost -- 23 April 2014 -- addendum

2014-04-22 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
In addition to the articles listed in the previous email, we have also published an op-ed this week titled Five things a Wikipedian in residence can do by Pete Forsyth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Op-ed Comments and thoughts are always welcome! Thanks,

[Wikimedia-l] Education program - quality assessment

2014-04-22 Thread Anthony Cole
I've moved this discussion from an earlier thread. [1] There, I asked about this April 14 press release from the Wiki Education Foundation, [2] The press release ... says, 'The program, in which students write Wikipedia articles in place of traditional term papers, created the equivalent of more