Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-30 Thread Milos Rancic
Thanks for clarificatiom! I see that the rule is basically not to care
about animal rights issues, which is fine with me. (We don't know about
the issues in relation to this matter is equal to we don't know that war
kills.)

I won't go with environmentalist groups, as they are here either
dilettantes or corrupted or both. But thanks Daniel, we'll contact you when
they write application (at this moment, we just have their idea).
On May 30, 2014 2:04 AM, Daniel Mietchen daniel.mietc...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community!

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 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Balázs Viczián
 balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos
  (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like
  expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
 
  I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
 
  We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be
  interesting for you.
 
  Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in
  Hungarian-only) here:
 
 http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1hely%2FGLAM-ZOO
 
  in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new
  created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out
 and
  our cooperation won't stop here :)
 
  If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else
  then, for example botanical gardens :)
 
  Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the
  cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest
 and
  most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
 
 http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/V%C3%A1cr%C3%A1t%C3%B3t
 
  Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of
  editors behind them.
 
  Cheers,
  Balazs
  2014.05.29. 23:45, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com ezt írta:
 
  There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we
  asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are
  some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
 
  We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At
  this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
 
  Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board),
  I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in
  relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely
  impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well
  protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
  countries.
 
  So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
  free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
  issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
  level.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-30 Thread Rui Correia
even finding the glaring typo you saw in a reference is nearly impossible
after you hit the edit button. -- Marc

Yes, it was, as references were getting longer and longer (almost to the
point of including the author's likesa and deslikes and what he or she had
for breakfast. That was 'solved' by the new ref=., that is really not
the easiest to figure out. And oddly enough, I don't ever see anywhere any
form of a tutorial on changes - such as the new ref method, hoveing
footnotes, etc.

Other then clicking edit on another page to see how it is done, there is no
gjuidance whatsoever.

Rui



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Aaron,

A point I often make is that both Commons and Wikidata provide activities
for new people to get their feet wet in our projects. With Wiki loves
monuments we gain an entry in the Guiness book of records. With the latest
Wikidata games we gain a LOT of new statements in Wikidata in a really
short period of time. There may be a similarity to the spelling errors that
were easily found in the English Wikipedia and they may gain us more
contributors.

Are these the kind of subjects you study or is it truly Wikipedia only.
Thanks,
  GerardM


On 30 May 2014 01:52, Aaron Halfaker ahalfa...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi Rui,

 You raised a lot of questions that I think I might be able to help address.
  I'm a research scientist working for the WMF.  My research focuses on the
 nature of newcomer participation, editor motivation and value production in
 Wikipedia.  See [1] and [2] (if you have the time) for my most seminal work
 on the subject.

 As you'll see in the study I referenced, my work directly addresses a
 substantial portion of the questions you've raised.  See also my team's
 work with standardizing metrics[3] including survival measures[4] and my
 work exploring retention trends in ptwiki[5].  See [6] for an example of a
 recent, cross-language study of newcomer article creation patterns.  Also,
 you might be interested in [7] since it confirms your general concerns
 about the speed of speedy deletions.

 A lot of the work of /really understanding Wikipedia/ is only half-way done
 since it takes a long time build understanding about previously
 undocumented phenomena.  The academic community, other researchers at the
 WMF and myself are in the middle of developing a whole field around how
 open collaboration systems like Wikipedia work, common problems they have
 and how they can be best supported.

 While we're developing this general knowledge about engagement, production
 and retention in our communities, we (the research  data team) are also
 working directly with product teams at the WMF to measure their impact on
 key metrics (e.g. participation) with scientific rigor and to
 challenge/develop/refine theory on which product strategies lead us toward
 our goals and which ones do not.  See [8] and [9] for examples of such
 studies.

 I welcome anyone who'd like to continue the conversation about what we do
 and don't know about Wikipedia(s) to raise discussions at
 wiki-research-l[10].  There are a lot more researchers on that list than
 wikimedia-l.  FWIW, I tend to follow that list more closely.

 1. Summary:
 http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/
 2. Full paper:

 http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/halfaker13rise-preprint.pdf
 3. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Editor_Engagement_Vital_Signs
 4. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
 5.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Ideas/Is_ptwiki_declining_like_enwiki%3F
 6. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_article_creation
 7. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Speed_of_Speedy_Deletions
 8.
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Onboarding_new_Wikipedians/Rollout
 9.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/Results
 10. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

 -Aaron



 
   From: Rui Correia correia@gmail.com
   Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.
   Date: May 29, 2014 at 5:07:45 AM PDT
   To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
   Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  
   Hi James
  
   Do we have any figures on retention of new editors? How long does the
   average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors stays on for 6
   months; one year; two years? Do we have these figures for all
 languages?
  
   New editors should be allowed space to grow. Wikipedia is so rich in
   developing all kinds of scripts, templates etc, that it would be easy
 to
   create something to inform others that someone is a new editor. Pages
 by
   new editors should be left alone for a day or two. There is nothing
 more
   disheartening than getting all excited about contributing only to find
  that
   someone comes along and either deletes your first attempt or nominates
 it
   for deletion. I've have seen this happen WITHIN MINUTES of the seminal
   version being posted, followed up by 'warnings' on the editor's talk
  page.
   I've seen edits reverted because the formatting of the source was
 wrong.
  It
   should be a basic pillar that before reverting, we see if we can
 improve/
   fix the problem. Undoing a newcomer's work and leaving something like
   WP:MOS as an edit summary is not helpful - if you are going to cite a
 WP
   policy, then do so by pointing directly to the specific page where the
  new
   editor can read about it. I know it is time-consuming to fill in edit
 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-30 Thread Rui Correia
Hi Aaron

This is really a treasure trove of information. I am looking forward to
savouring it in detail. Many thanks.

One question for now on Point 5: the 3rd graph with values 1 - are those
percentages? Is the decimal notation correct?

Regards,

Rui


2014-05-30 1:52 GMT+02:00 Aaron Halfaker ahalfa...@wikimedia.org:

 Hi Rui,

 You raised a lot of questions that I think I might be able to help address.
  I'm a research scientist working for the WMF.  My research focuses on the
 nature of newcomer participation, editor motivation and value production in
 Wikipedia.  See [1] and [2] (if you have the time) for my most seminal work
 on the subject.

 As you'll see in the study I referenced, my work directly addresses a
 substantial portion of the questions you've raised.  See also my team's
 work with standardizing metrics[3] including survival measures[4] and my
 work exploring retention trends in ptwiki[5].  See [6] for an example of a
 recent, cross-language study of newcomer article creation patterns.  Also,
 you might be interested in [7] since it confirms your general concerns
 about the speed of speedy deletions.

 A lot of the work of /really understanding Wikipedia/ is only half-way done
 since it takes a long time build understanding about previously
 undocumented phenomena.  The academic community, other researchers at the
 WMF and myself are in the middle of developing a whole field around how
 open collaboration systems like Wikipedia work, common problems they have
 and how they can be best supported.

 While we're developing this general knowledge about engagement, production
 and retention in our communities, we (the research  data team) are also
 working directly with product teams at the WMF to measure their impact on
 key metrics (e.g. participation) with scientific rigor and to
 challenge/develop/refine theory on which product strategies lead us toward
 our goals and which ones do not.  See [8] and [9] for examples of such
 studies.

 I welcome anyone who'd like to continue the conversation about what we do
 and don't know about Wikipedia(s) to raise discussions at
 wiki-research-l[10].  There are a lot more researchers on that list than
 wikimedia-l.  FWIW, I tend to follow that list more closely.

 1. Summary:
 http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/
 2. Full paper:

 http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/halfaker13rise-preprint.pdf
 3. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Editor_Engagement_Vital_Signs
 4. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
 5.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Ideas/Is_ptwiki_declining_like_enwiki%3F
 6. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_article_creation
 7. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Speed_of_Speedy_Deletions
 8.
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Onboarding_new_Wikipedians/Rollout
 9.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/Results
 10. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

 -Aaron



 
   From: Rui Correia correia@gmail.com
   Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.
   Date: May 29, 2014 at 5:07:45 AM PDT
   To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
   Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  
   Hi James
  
   Do we have any figures on retention of new editors? How long does the
   average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors stays on for 6
   months; one year; two years? Do we have these figures for all
 languages?
  
   New editors should be allowed space to grow. Wikipedia is so rich in
   developing all kinds of scripts, templates etc, that it would be easy
 to
   create something to inform others that someone is a new editor. Pages
 by
   new editors should be left alone for a day or two. There is nothing
 more
   disheartening than getting all excited about contributing only to find
  that
   someone comes along and either deletes your first attempt or nominates
 it
   for deletion. I've have seen this happen WITHIN MINUTES of the seminal
   version being posted, followed up by 'warnings' on the editor's talk
  page.
   I've seen edits reverted because the formatting of the source was
 wrong.
  It
   should be a basic pillar that before reverting, we see if we can
 improve/
   fix the problem. Undoing a newcomer's work and leaving something like
   WP:MOS as an edit summary is not helpful - if you are going to cite a
 WP
   policy, then do so by pointing directly to the specific page where the
  new
   editor can read about it. I know it is time-consuming to fill in edit
   summaries, especially if one is doing a series of identical edits to a
   whole lot of pages. But we can use technology to speed this up - on a
  blank
   edit summary, a prompt will suggest earlier text and you can select an
   applicable one. On an edit summary with a reference to the section of
 

[Wikimedia-l] Right to be forgotten

2014-05-30 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Do you think that the right to be forgotten may change something in the
Wikipedia's sources and in the work done by volunteers to write Wikipedia?

Google announced that they will apply the right to be forgotten in Europe
and some names may disappear in the big search engine.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/30/google-launches-right-to-be-forgotten-webform-for-removal-requests

Regards

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Right to be forgotten

2014-05-30 Thread Chris Keating
As I understand it, the right to be forgotten will only affect the
discoverability of content, rather than existence of content.

So if we rely on a source which says that person X did Y many years ago,
and X succeeds in invoking their right to be forgotten, then the source
will no longer appear in search engine results. The source, whether offline
or online, will continue to exist and will continue to be a valid reference.

My understanding may well be wrong, and if there is anything that
summarises this issue as it affects Wikimedians I would be really
interested to read it.

Chris


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you think that the right to be forgotten may change something in the
 Wikipedia's sources and in the work done by volunteers to write Wikipedia?

 Google announced that they will apply the right to be forgotten in Europe
 and some names may disappear in the big search engine.


 http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/30/google-launches-right-to-be-forgotten-webform-for-removal-requests

 Regards

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Right to be forgotten

2014-05-30 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes, I know.

But I think that something will change for users writing content (no more
references in the main search engine) but also to discover copyright
infringements.

Regards


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 As I understand it, the right to be forgotten will only affect the
 discoverability of content, rather than existence of content.

 So if we rely on a source which says that person X did Y many years ago,
 and X succeeds in invoking their right to be forgotten, then the source
 will no longer appear in search engine results. The source, whether offline
 or online, will continue to exist and will continue to be a valid
 reference.

 My understanding may well be wrong, and if there is anything that
 summarises this issue as it affects Wikimedians I would be really
 interested to read it.

 Chris


 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Do you think that the right to be forgotten may change something in the
  Wikipedia's sources and in the work done by volunteers to write
 Wikipedia?
 
  Google announced that they will apply the right to be forgotten in Europe
  and some names may disappear in the big search engine.
 
 
 
 http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/30/google-launches-right-to-be-forgotten-webform-for-removal-requests
 
  Regards
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-30 Thread Aaron Halfaker
Gerard, I think that the work on Commons and WikiData is freaking awesome.
 If I could clone myself I'd be digging into it immediately.  Right now,
I'm working on measurement Wikipedias and large cross-wiki analyses.  FWIW,
I think that the wikidata games are some of the most exciting things to
happen in Wikimedia wikis in a long time.

Rui, re. the survival graphs.  Those are proportions.  Multiply by 100 to
get percentages.  i.e. the line starts at about ~24% and declines to ~7%.
 I'd really like to revisit this work since we've standardized some of the
measures I was using and the new, standard definitions will result in some
differences.  See
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor for the
updated definition.  I'll try to schedule some time to get an updated
figure for ptwiki that goes back before 2006.

-Aaron


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Aaron

 This is really a treasure trove of information. I am looking forward to
 savouring it in detail. Many thanks.

 One question for now on Point 5: the 3rd graph with values 1 - are those
 percentages? Is the decimal notation correct?

 Regards,

 Rui


 2014-05-30 1:52 GMT+02:00 Aaron Halfaker ahalfa...@wikimedia.org:

  Hi Rui,
 
  You raised a lot of questions that I think I might be able to help
 address.
   I'm a research scientist working for the WMF.  My research focuses on
 the
  nature of newcomer participation, editor motivation and value production
 in
  Wikipedia.  See [1] and [2] (if you have the time) for my most seminal
 work
  on the subject.
 
  As you'll see in the study I referenced, my work directly addresses a
  substantial portion of the questions you've raised.  See also my team's
  work with standardizing metrics[3] including survival measures[4] and my
  work exploring retention trends in ptwiki[5].  See [6] for an example of
 a
  recent, cross-language study of newcomer article creation patterns.
  Also,
  you might be interested in [7] since it confirms your general concerns
  about the speed of speedy deletions.
 
  A lot of the work of /really understanding Wikipedia/ is only half-way
 done
  since it takes a long time build understanding about previously
  undocumented phenomena.  The academic community, other researchers at the
  WMF and myself are in the middle of developing a whole field around how
  open collaboration systems like Wikipedia work, common problems they have
  and how they can be best supported.
 
  While we're developing this general knowledge about engagement,
 production
  and retention in our communities, we (the research  data team) are also
  working directly with product teams at the WMF to measure their impact on
  key metrics (e.g. participation) with scientific rigor and to
  challenge/develop/refine theory on which product strategies lead us
 toward
  our goals and which ones do not.  See [8] and [9] for examples of such
  studies.
 
  I welcome anyone who'd like to continue the conversation about what we do
  and don't know about Wikipedia(s) to raise discussions at
  wiki-research-l[10].  There are a lot more researchers on that list than
  wikimedia-l.  FWIW, I tend to follow that list more closely.
 
  1. Summary:
  http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/
  2. Full paper:
 
 
 http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/halfaker13rise-preprint.pdf
  3.
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Editor_Engagement_Vital_Signs
  4. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Surviving_new_editor
  5.
 
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Ideas/Is_ptwiki_declining_like_enwiki%3F
  6. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_article_creation
  7.
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Speed_of_Speedy_Deletions
  8.
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Onboarding_new_Wikipedians/Rollout
  9.
 
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:VisualEditor%27s_effect_on_newly_registered_editors/Results
  10. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
 
  -Aaron
 
 
 
  
From: Rui Correia correia@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.
Date: May 29, 2014 at 5:07:45 AM PDT
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
   
Hi James
   
Do we have any figures on retention of new editors? How long does the
average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors stays on for
 6
months; one year; two years? Do we have these figures for all
  languages?
   
New editors should be allowed space to grow. Wikipedia is so rich in
developing all kinds of scripts, templates etc, that it would be easy
  to
create something to inform others that someone is a new editor. Pages
  by
new editors should be left alone for a day or two. There is nothing
  more
disheartening than getting all excited about 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-30 Thread Jon Davies
Roger Bamkin has done some QR work with Sofaia zoo I think.

Roger Bamkin https://plus.google.com/u/0/115855705849960810419?prsrc=4
 [image: Roger Bamkin's profile photo]
https://plus.google.com/u/0/115855705849960810419?prsrc=4
victuall...@gmail.com



On 29 May 2014 23:42, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu wrote:

 Hi,

 I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos
 (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like
 expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)

 I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.

 We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be
 interesting for you.

 Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in
 Hungarian-only) here:

 http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1hely%2FGLAM-ZOO

 in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new
 created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out and
 our cooperation won't stop here :)

 If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else
 then, for example botanical gardens :)

 Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the
 cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest and
 most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:

 http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/V%C3%A1cr%C3%A1t%C3%B3t

 Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of
 editors behind them.

 Cheers,
 Balazs
 2014.05.29. 23:45, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com ezt írta:

  There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we
  asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are
  some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
 
  We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At
  this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
 
  Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board),
  I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in
  relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely
  impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well
  protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
  countries.
 
  So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us:
  free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has
  issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the
  level.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-30 Thread
On 30 May 2014 16:29, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 Roger Bamkin has done some QR work with Sofaia zoo I think.

No need to speculate, a full report is available at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Sofia_Zoo_and_Bulgarian_Wikipedians/Sofia_Zoo_Powered_by_Wikimedia/Report.
It was a Bulgarian Wikipedian project with a WMF supporting grant of
$3,600.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

2014-05-30 Thread Jaime Anstee
Hello Lila,

I wanted to answer your question regarding the bubbles in the  bubble
chart as that chart  has been pulled from our *Program Evaluation (beta)*
reports, this one from the Wiki Loves Monuments report, available at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Library/WLM

The bubble charts are intersecting data along three dimensions, an x- and
y- axis as well as a z-axis illustrated by bubble size. That particular
chart, Graph 2: Budget, participation, and photos added, illustrates the
number of participants along the horizontal x-axis, budget along the
vertical y-axis, and number of images uploaded along the vertical z-axis
illustrated by bubble size and numeric label.

The data represent 11 Wiki Loves Monuments implementations in 2012 for
which we had all three points of data reported. The reviewed contests had
budget inputs ranging from less than $1,000 USD to almost $17,000 USD. The
number of participants ranging from 75 to 2,005, and the number of images
added ranged from nearly 2,000 to more than 30,000. (The raw data are also
available in the original report as appendix tables)

The varying sizes of the bubbles — with larger bubbles representing more
images uploaded — show that the number of photos increase significantly
when events have over 500 participants. There does not seem to be a direct
relationship between budget, participant count, or images uploaded. The
bubble size doesn't get larger or smaller — meaning when more money is
invested in an Wiki Loves Monuments implementation, that doesn't mean the
event will have a higher participant count or a higher upload count.

Hope that helps to clarify the chart.  Please let me know if you have
further questions!

Best regards,

Jaime



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On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Rodrigo -- what do the bubbles represent in the chart -- countries?


 On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton 
 rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey Pine,
 
  For me, this is just a small and visible part of the iceberg, sadly.
  I not will go deeper in that, because I do not have stomach for,
 patiences,
  and way to do that.
 
  I already send massages to Asaf pointing this, in respect. But thanks for
  the tip.
 
  Cheers.
 
 
 
  On 22 May 2014 03:52, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  
   Hi Rodrigo,
  
   Thank you for these questions. There have been questions about the
 India
   program as well, so these questions about Brazil can be added to the
 list
   of
   issues for WMF to investigate.
  
   I am not personally familiar with either of the Brazil or India
 catalyst
   programs,
   but I suggest that you contact Asaf or Anasuya if you don't get a
  response
   on this list or on the discussion page within two days.
  
   Thank you again for bringing up these questions.
  
   Pine
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also, somewhat unfortunately in my view, there is a requirement for user
 groups is to have a history of projects, which was not further defined
 but in theory makes it impossible to form a user group before there has
 been a history.

I see, thank you for explaining.  I believe this refers to the language in
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognizing_Models_of_Affiliations

Would it be more helpful if the clause you mention were changed to
read an established contact person and a wikipage describing the
group's activity?  I believe that is equally representative of the
thinking behind the resolution.

If the the Board can remedy unfortunate wording that is slowing things
down, I will propose a change right away.

 In any case, the more automation and simplification we can introduce into
 the process, the better.

Agreed.  :)


Greg writes:
 Bence describes it a bit more, but basically a request comes in, someone is
 assigned it, we ask them some questions, if that person feels okay or
 doesn't have questions, they send the info to the group, post a resolution,
 and we vote.

If the process can't be done in a single pass, it's probably too complicated.

Compare the process of forming a Meetup group.  There are basic
standards of behavior and usage -- applied via review after the fact,
soft-security style -- and measures of activity.  But as soon as you
finish filling out a form describing your group, it has been created +
is visible online + has its events included in a global calendar, and
starts to get updates and support.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-05-30 Thread
On 2 April 2014 16:12, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
...
 This could help reduce costs and avoid any duplication?

I can now confirm that Wikimedia UK is not going to make a public
report of the total costs of sending 8 people to the Wikimedia
Conference 2014. I doubt that Jon Davies' wish to reduce costs can be
considered a commitment if as the Chief Executive, he has chosen to
not report on them.

Discussion on the UK wiki on this topic started on 27 March, and I
waited for 5 weeks for an answer to the direct question of costs
(raised 24 April), in which time the original discussion thread on the
chapter wiki was manually archived and I had to create a second
discussion in an attempt to pursue an answer. This wasted volunteer
time, employee time and goodwill, if the answer could have been no,
we have no plan to report on these costs with a rationale as to why.

Perhaps other chapters have reported on costs and can offer links for
Jon, in order to show how this can be achieved in a non-bureaucratic,
open and transparent fashion for the benefit of chapter members?

Links:
1. 
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room/2014#Attendees_at_the_Wikimedia_Conference_2014.3F
2. https://wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Engine_roomdiff=57343oldid=57305

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[Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-05-30 Thread Mike Godwin
Chris writes:

 As I understand it, the right to be forgotten will only affect the
 discoverability of content, rather than existence of content.

 So if we rely on a source which says that person X did Y many years ago,
 and X succeeds in invoking their right to be forgotten, then the source
 will no longer appear in search engine results. The source, whether offline
 or online, will continue to exist and will continue to be a valid reference.

 My understanding may well be wrong, and if there is anything that
 summarises this issue as it affects Wikimedians I would be really
 interested to read it.

Your understanding is essentially correct, as far as it goes. The ECJ
(aka Curia) opinion makes clear that the decision applies to search
engines but not (yet) to the databases of source journals (such as The
New York Times or the Guardian).

But of course it can affect the work of Wikipedia editors and other
Wikimedians looking for online sources if search engine results can be
censored in this way. In addition, it seems possible that the ECJ
opinion can be understood to apply to Wikipedia itself, which, while
not a search engine, may qualify as a controller as that word is
defined under Article 2 of Directive 95/46 of the European Parliament
(on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of
personal data and on the free movement of such data).  Look at these
relevant definitions from the text of the ECJ opinion:



Article 2 of Directive 95/46 states that ‘[f]or the purposes of
this Directive:

(a)  “personal data” shall mean any information relating to an
identified or identifiable natural person (“data subject”); an
identifiable person is one who can be identified, directly or
indirectly, in particular by reference to an identification number or
to one or more factors specific to his physical, physiological,
mental, economic, cultural or social identity;

(b)   “processing of personal data” (“processing”) shall mean any
operation or set of operations which is performed upon personal data,
whether or not by automatic means, such as collection, recording,
organisation, storage, adaptation or alteration, retrieval,
consultation, use, disclosure by transmission, dissemination or
otherwise making available, alignment or combination, blocking,
erasure or destruction;

...

(d)  “controller” shall mean the natural or legal person, public
authority, agency or any other body which alone or jointly with others
determines the purposes and means of the processing of personal data;
where the purposes and means of processing are determined by national
or Community laws or regulations, the controller or the specific
criteria for his nomination may be designated by national or Community
law;

...

Article 9 of Directive 95/46, entitled ‘Processing of personal
data and freedom of expression’, provides:

‘Member States shall provide for exemptions or derogations from the
provisions of this Chapter, Chapter IV and Chapter VI for the
processing of personal data carried out solely for journalistic
purposes or the purpose of artistic or literary expression only if
they are necessary to reconcile the right to privacy with the rules
governing freedom of expression.’

---

(Note that processing of personal data need not be done by
automatic means. I read this to mean that Wikipedia editors
themselves may qualify as engaging in the processing of personal
data. And the definition of controller expressly includes a
natural ... person.

Assuming that Member States would assert jurisdiction over Wikipedia
(even though Wikipedia is hosted in the United States), could
Wikipedia articles be defended under the solely for journalistic
purposes or the purpose of artistic or literary expression language
of Article 9 of the Directive? That language doesn't strike me as a
very good fit for what Wikipedia does.

The English-language version of the full text of the opinion is here:
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=docid=152065pageIndex=0doclang=ENmode=reqdir=occ=firstpart=1cid=95716
.

Ilario writes:

 But I think that something will change for users writing content (no more
 references in the main search engine) but also to discover copyright
 infringements.

And, possibly much more than that, as I suggest above.

Not impossibly, and assuming EU can establish jurisdiction of
Wikimedia Foundation or its agents or its volunteer editors, this
particular news story might have turned out differently:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13wiki.html?_r=0 .


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

2014-05-30 Thread Lodewijk
Hi,

To give a little more context: as I indicated on other places as well (and
perhaps by other people), competitions across countries are hard to compare
because they face very different challenges, and it is even unfair to
assume they are the same thing. The goals were not always identical (in
some countries a lot of value was added by laying foundations for future
projects with the partners or by growing a team of dedicated volunteers
where there was none before, in some countries the number of images was the
most important factor while in others the long term effects of specific
editors was most important - to name a few).

That is not to ridicule the work put into this analysis, I only want to
make sure nobody jumps to conclusions here before reading more thoroughly
the reports and looking at more data and most importantly: talk with the
volunteers who organized the numerous (53 in 2013) competitions.

That being said, I think I could agree wholeheartedly if the conclusion
were to be money is usually not the bottle neck (although there are
exceptions).

Best,

Lodewijk
(member of the (international coordinating) team of Wiki Loves Monuments
2010-2013)


2014-05-30 18:54 GMT+02:00 Jaime Anstee jans...@wikimedia.org:

 Hello Lila,

 I wanted to answer your question regarding the bubbles in the  bubble
 chart as that chart  has been pulled from our *Program Evaluation (beta)*
 reports, this one from the Wiki Loves Monuments report, available at:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Library/WLM

 The bubble charts are intersecting data along three dimensions, an x- and
 y- axis as well as a z-axis illustrated by bubble size. That particular
 chart, Graph 2: Budget, participation, and photos added, illustrates the
 number of participants along the horizontal x-axis, budget along the
 vertical y-axis, and number of images uploaded along the vertical z-axis
 illustrated by bubble size and numeric label.

 The data represent 11 Wiki Loves Monuments implementations in 2012 for
 which we had all three points of data reported. The reviewed contests had
 budget inputs ranging from less than $1,000 USD to almost $17,000 USD. The
 number of participants ranging from 75 to 2,005, and the number of images
 added ranged from nearly 2,000 to more than 30,000. (The raw data are also
 available in the original report as appendix tables)

 The varying sizes of the bubbles — with larger bubbles representing more
 images uploaded — show that the number of photos increase significantly
 when events have over 500 participants. There does not seem to be a direct
 relationship between budget, participant count, or images uploaded. The
 bubble size doesn't get larger or smaller — meaning when more money is
 invested in an Wiki Loves Monuments implementation, that doesn't mean the
 event will have a higher participant count or a higher upload count.

 Hope that helps to clarify the chart.  Please let me know if you have
 further questions!

 Best regards,

 Jaime



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 wrote:

  Rodrigo -- what do the bubbles represent in the chart -- countries?
 
 
  On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton 
  rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hey Pine,
  
   For me, this is just a small and visible part of the iceberg, sadly.
   I not will go deeper in that, because I do not have stomach for,
  patiences,
   and way to do that.
  
   I already send massages to Asaf pointing this, in respect. But thanks
 for
   the tip.
  
   Cheers.
  
  
  
   On 22 May 2014 03:52, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
   
Hi Rodrigo,
   
Thank you for these questions. There have been questions about the
  India
program as well, so these questions about Brazil can be added to the
  list
of
issues for WMF to investigate.
   
I am not personally familiar with either of the Brazil or India
  catalyst
programs,
but I suggest that you contact Asaf or Anasuya if you don't get a
   response
on this list or on the discussion page within two days.
   
Thank you again for bringing up these questions.
   
Pine
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

2014-05-30 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi,

I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I
must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value
generate by this type of competition, in my opinion.

At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a
challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't give
it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival
http://2014.okfestival.org/ next July, books and games, all
catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this
is from a very tiny organization 6 month old.

The results from this competition led by the education program
coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could
be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid
the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but
simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for
me or some prize related to photograph.

I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia
movement and let's assume good faith, but I think it's a good
opportunity to discuss the issue globally, although the way the topic
was raised.

Tom

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Right to be forgotten

2014-05-30 Thread ???

On 30/05/2014 14:11, Chris Keating wrote:

As I understand it, the right to be forgotten will only affect the
discoverability of content, rather than existence of content.

So if we rely on a source which says that person X did Y many years ago,
and X succeeds in invoking their right to be forgotten, then the source
will no longer appear in search engine results. The source, whether offline
or online, will continue to exist and will continue to be a valid reference.

My understanding may well be wrong, and if there is anything that
summarises this issue as it affects Wikimedians I would be really
interested to read it.

Chris



Its the compilation of such data that is the issue. A newspaper may 
record that X was fined for jaywalking in 1976, another newspaper may 
record that they were in court for not paying taxes in 1982. Someone or 
organization that goes about and collates all of those snippets of 
information to write a report on X is data processing, it does not 
matter whether the collection of the data is manual or not. The issue 
then comes down to whether such information is made available for 
retrieval. I'd assume that WP articles fulfill all the necessary 
requirements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive#Content



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Compare the process of forming a Meetup group. There are basic
standards of behavior and usage -- applied via review after the fact,
soft-security style -- and measures of activity. But as soon as you
finish filling out a form describing your group, it has been created +
is visible online + has its events included in a global calendar, and
starts to get updates and support.
Wiki Borregos has been operating in this manner for some time. See 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Borregos_CCM_Student_User_Group
We originally put our info as a student club, but when it became obvious that 
the program to support such an organization had died, we put in to be a user 
group.


  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Nathan
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 Wiki Borregos has been operating in this manner for some time. See
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Borregos_CCM_Student_User_Group
 We originally put our info as a student club, but when it became obvious
 that the program to support such an organization had died, we put in to be
 a user group.


Out of curiosity, what does the Borregos in the name mean?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-30 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Borregos means rams the mascot of the Tec de Monterrey.

 Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:17:49 -0400
 From: nawr...@gmail.com
 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons
 
 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Wiki Borregos has been operating in this manner for some time. See
  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Borregos_CCM_Student_User_Group
  We originally put our info as a student club, but when it became obvious
  that the program to support such an organization had died, we put in to be
  a user group.
 
 
 Out of curiosity, what does the Borregos in the name mean?
 
 ~Nathan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile Operator IP Drift Tracking and Remediation

2014-05-30 Thread Adam Baso
Okay, the code is in place in the alphas of both the Android and iOS apps,
and the server-side 2% sampling (extra header in HTTPS request sent once
per cellular app session) is working.

https://git.wikimedia.org/commitdiff/apps%2Fandroid%2Fwikipedia.git/8b4a0c3b170d6bf1a8f8141d93dfc60416ae4e2b

https://git.wikimedia.org/commitdiff/apps%2Fios%2Fwikipedia.git/59cde497921bc6d2c28e3967c24f0316dfedf3ce

https://git.wikimedia.org/commitdiff/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FZeroRatedMobileAccess.git/df3da0b3fa564ae27d33cd1b82f81df12a5ed287

Changes to event logging in the iOS alpha app (internal only at the moment,
although repo can be cloned and run in the Xcode simulator) are coming
pretty soon, and once those are in, we'll make one last tweak there to have
the app not add the extra MCC/MNC header on that single request per
cellular connection when logging is turned off in the iOS alpha app. That
part is done in the Android app already.

-Adam




On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Federico asked if sampling might make sense here. I think it will work, so
 I've updated the patchset.

 From a patchset comment I provided:

 It's possible we may have situations where operators have not lots of
 users on them accessing Wiki(m|p)edia properties, so we do run some risk of
 actually missing IPs, even if exit IPs are concentrators of typically large
 sets of users. That said, let's try a 2% sample ratio; and if we find out
 it's insufficient, then we'll sample more, if it's oversampling, then we
 can adjust the other way, too. New patchset arriving shortly.

 (I've since submitted the updated code for review.)

 -Adam



 On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 After examining this, it looks like EventLogging is more suited to the
 logging task than debug logging and the trappings of needing to alter debug
 logging in the core MediaWiki software.

 EventLogging logs at the resolution of a second (instead of a day), but
 has inbuilt support for record removal after 90 days.

 Please do let us know in case of further questions. Here's the logging
 schema for those with an interest:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schema:MobileOperatorCode

 Here's the relevant server code:

 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/130991/

 -Adam




 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Great idea!

 Anyone on the list know if there's a way to make the debug log
 facilities do the MMDD timestamp instead of the longer one?

 If not, I suppose we could work to update the core MediaWiki code. [1]

 -Adam

 1. For those with PHP skills or equivalent, I'm referring to
 https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/a26687e81532def3faba64612ce79b701a13949e/includes%2FGlobalFunctions.php#L1042.
 Scroll to the bottom of the function definition to see the datetimestamp
 approach.


 On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
  wrote:

 Hi Adam,

 One thought: you don't really need the date/time data at any detailed
 resolution, do you? If what you're wanting it for is to track major
 changes (last month it all switched to this IP) and to purge old
 data (delete anything older than 10 March), you could simply log day
 rather than datetime.

 enwiki / 127.0.0.1 / 123.45 / 2014-04-16:1245.45

 enwiki / 127.0.0.1 / 123.45 / 2014-04-16

 - the latter gives you the data you need while making it a lot harder
 to do any kind of close user-identification.

 Andrew.
 On 16 Apr 2014 19:17, Adam Baso ab...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Inline.
 
  Thanks for starting this thread.
  
   Sorry if I've overlooked this, but who/what will have access to this
  data?
   Only members of the mobile team? Local project CheckUsers? Wikimedia
   Foundation-approved researchers? Wikimedia shell users? AbuseFilter
   filters?
  
 
  It's a good question. The thought is to put it in the customary
 wfDebugLog
  location (with, for example, filename mccmnc.log) on fluorine.
 
  It just occurred to me that the wiki name (e.g., enwiki), but not
 the
  full URL, gets logged additionally as part of the wfDebugLog call; to
 make
  the implicit explicit, wfDebugLog adds a datetime stamp as well, and
 that's
  useful for purging old records. I'll forward this email to mobile-l
 and
  wikitech-l to underscore this.
 
 
   And this may be a silly question, but is there a reasonable means of
   approximating how identifying these two data points alone are? That
 is,
   Using a mobile country code and exit IP address, is it possible to
   identify a particular editor or reader? Or perhaps rephrased, is
 this
  data
   considered anonymized?
  
 
  Not a silly question. My approximation is these tuples (datetime, now
 that
  it hit me - XYwiki, exit IP, and MCC-MNC) alone, although not
 perfectly
  anonymized, are low identifying (that is, indirect inferences on the
 data
  in isolation are unlikely, but technically possible, through
 examination of
  short tail 

[Wikimedia-l] Call for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015

2014-05-30 Thread Quim Gil
(CCing wikimedia-l as well, please send any replies to wikitech-l only)

The Wikimedia technical community wants to have another hackathon next year
in Europe. Who will organize it?

Interested parties, check https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons

We would like to confirm a host by Wikimania, latest.

The same call goes for India and other locations with a good concentration
of Wikimedia contributors and software developers. Come on, step in. We
want to increase our geographical diversity of technical contributors.




-- 
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Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015

2014-05-30 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
I am glad to hear this time we will have something in Europe. :)

2014-05-30 18:58 GMT-03:00 Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org:
 (CCing wikimedia-l as well, please send any replies to wikitech-l only)

 The Wikimedia technical community wants to have another hackathon next year
 in Europe. Who will organize it?

 Interested parties, check https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons

 We would like to confirm a host by Wikimania, latest.

 The same call goes for India and other locations with a good concentration
 of Wikimedia contributors and software developers. Come on, step in. We
 want to increase our geographical diversity of technical contributors.




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

2014-05-30 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
way the topic was raised. funny

Thank you Jaime Anstee, Lodewijk for the explanation and context.

I don't if Mr. Alvarenga can see, but I don't criticize the organizers,
they are newbies in the Wikimedia movement, is one of the main problems
here, why they can have the power spend this money without consulting, your
point increase the size of this issue, if they don't know what they are
doing, why they can manage/access this quantity of money?
And find for me photo contest in Brazil manage by NGOs without partners
that hits this quantity of money, and this is just the prize, the whole
contest was evaluated in 30'850,00 reais ~14'000.00 dollars...




On 30 May 2014 15:18, Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org
wrote:

 Hi,

 I have no idea about the prizes for other places to compare, but I
 must say 10k reais (~5k USD) is a small amount of money for the value
 generate by this type of competition, in my opinion.

 At the moment I am running through the organization I coordinate a
 challenge which will give prizes of this order, although we won't give
 it in cash, but a trip to Open Knowledge Festival
 http://2014.okfestival.org/ next July, books and games, all
 catalysing the creative use of technology and free software. And this
 is from a very tiny organization 6 month old.

 The results from this competition led by the education program
 coordinator in Brazil seems good so far. I think one thing that could
 be improved was to consult the community in a more open way to avoid
 the actual wikidramas and I tend not to like prizes in cash, but
 simbolic one, like a trip to Wikimania would make much more sense for
 me or some prize related to photograph.

 I don't criticize the organizers, they are newbies in the Wikimedia
 movement and let's assume good faith, but I think it's a good
 opportunity to discuss the issue globally, although the way the topic
 was raised.

 Tom

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