Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Risker
On 1 June 2014 01:39, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 June 2014 04:26, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: ... ... selects strongly against women. Where is the evidence that women have more difficulty understanding wikitext than men? (Probably drifting to Increase participation by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Jane Darnell
Of course I am just a sample of one, but in my personal circle of female friends, most of them only interact with a smartphone or tablet and though they may own a full-fledged computer, they only interact with that machine for certain boring and obligatory tasks such as filing taxes and printing.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-01 Thread Yana Welinder
As the Quartz article from Jens's email discusses, the decision in Chile is very unfortunate.[1] It's an example of when net neutrality — which is an important principle for the free and open internet — is poorly implemented to prevent free dissemination of knowledge. Although Wikipedia Zero is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yana you mentioned that all WMF projects may become under the zero flag... is Labs being considered for this as well ? Thanks, GerardM On 1 June 2014 09:57, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote: As the Quartz article from Jens's email discusses, the decision in Chile is very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-01 Thread Russavia
Fae, On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2014 16:12, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: ... This could help reduce costs and avoid any duplication? I can now confirm that Wikimedia UK is not going to make a public report of the total costs of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

2014-06-01 Thread Tanweer Morshed
Congratulations to Wikimedia Ukraine on achieving the milestones. You've got too many great milestones for celebration! Regards, Tanweer Morshed Board member Wikimedia Bangladesh On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Well done! On 31 May 2014 22:21,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

2014-06-01 Thread Nurunnaby Chowdhury
Congratulations Wikimedia Ukraine.. ​​-- Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive | @nhasive ​Sysop, Bengali Wikipedia | User: Nhasive Member, IEG, WMF Sent from my Android device On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Tanweer Morshed wiki.tanw...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Ukraine on achieving

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-01 Thread
On 1 June 2014 10:53, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: charge and let others get on where you stopped being the big man ? I was never the big man. I have only ever been an unpaid volunteer like everyone else. is a Dutch proverb.. you attempt to rule from the grave and people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread edward
On 01/06/2014 10:53, Ting Chen wrote: Nowaday Wikipedia articles (across all major languages) are highly biased in style and in content to academic thesis. There is good reason for this: 'anyone can edit'. In an encyclopedia produced using the 'one best way' approach, there is sparse use of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, No need to drop dead. What I want you to take is more positive role, I said as much.. I want you to try the role of an elder statesman.. Their influence is because of their positive comments and their insight and help move things forward smoothly. You may try to assume you had a humble role

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Phototypesetters were typically professionals, therefore not strictly comparable. There is a significant difference to learning a complex system because you are going to earn a living from it, and learning the same system so you can spend your free time doing unpaid work with it. Cheers, Peter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread edward
On 01/06/2014 12:00, Peter Southwood wrote: Phototypesetters were typically professionals, therefore not strictly comparable. There is a significant difference to learning a complex system because you are going to earn a living from it, and learning the same system so you can spend your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Thyge
I agree with Ting's remarks about the importance of the social aspect. Maybe we need a taskforce against rudeness. But looking into the social aspect does not exclude improvements on the tech side. I think that maybe instead of VE we should have an 'invisible editor', meaning that if someone hits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Mark
On 6/1/14, 11:53 AM, Ting Chen wrote: And I think it is essential to tell the beginner to do the same: Don't bother with things that are too complicated, it is the content that counts. Yes, I think we need to publicize this more widely. People are usually surprised when I tell them that as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-01 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: I have read the links that you have provided and I find it totally unacceptable that an organisation can not provide costs for sending 8 people on a junket to New York. When I have operated businesses in the real

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

2014-06-01 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
how can you help yeah, you didn't get. - you are not welcome... I can't do this kind of things, you can (I think). Something is going wrong, the community is losing space for a programme imposed by the WMF to Brazil. And this is not just me that are saying that, i.e.:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/01/2014 07:13 AM, edward wrote: Which explains the gender bias, yes? At least in large part; Risker explained it more eloquently than I. There is a bias against women because the skillsets currently useful to be able to edit wikitext (programming, heavy markup languages) are more common in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-01 Thread rupert THURNER
Yana, may i suggest that you try at least one time in your life edit a wikipedia article so you experience how much bandwith is consumed to do a proper research of verifyable sources? Or just read an article and try to verify the contents? Yana, there is only one type of internet, please leave it

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 10, Issue 20 -- 28 May 2014

2014-06-01 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Interview: Casliber reaches one hundred featured articles smallWikipedia's second featured article centurion/small http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-05-28/Interview News and notes: The English Wikipedia's second featured-article centurion; wiki inventor interviewed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Rui Correia
Jane I think we are talking about two different things. Ownership of or access to equipment with access to the internet is not the same thing as we are talking about. If anything, the fact that more women own any such equipment only goes to reinforce what we already know, which is that not many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Jane Darnell
I'll bet you have never tried to edit Wikipedia on an iPad 2014-06-01 20:25 GMT+02:00, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com: Jane I think we are talking about two different things. Ownership of or access to equipment with access to the internet is not the same thing as we are talking about. If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Rui Correia
Well, from your previous post I was left the distinct impression that neither you nor your female friends edit the Wikipedia. So I have gone back and reread your post to see what I missed. I see that you and your friends interact. For the life of me I thought that by interact you meant go on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, grin Jane is in my top 1% of most accomplished Wikimedians /grin She is VERY effective on both Wikipedia, Commons and WIkidata. Thanks, GerardM On 1 June 2014 21:13, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Well, from your previous post I was left the distinct impression that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Jane Darnell
Gerard, Thanks for the vote of confidence! Rui, I meant interact in the sense of user interface, so to edit Wikipedia, one must first interact with the edit button, something I have tried endlessly to get my friends to do. Instead, whenever they notice something wrong on Wikipedia, they call me.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Rui Correia
I am not disputing that and don't for a second doubt that. ;-) Down south here in South Africa interact would not be understood the way she meant it. So, I have learnt two things: that (interacting on WP), and grin as an alternative for ;-) A great week to all Rui PS: emoticons would not be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Rui Correia
Hi Jane I got it. ;-) I am in a similar situation - as a translator, I sign up to a handful of mutual help lists. On a daily basis, whatever the cry for help in whatever language, someone will go to the WP and see what it says there (which of course is great and great news). If the same article

[Wikimedia-l] Is Wikipedia Really 90% Wrong

2014-06-01 Thread James Heilman
The journal article by Hasty et al published on May 1st 2014 basically took ten Wikipedia articles and ten “researchers” (either medical students or residents). Each Wikipedia article was then assessed by two of these researchers to try to determine how many statements of fact they contained. The

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Thank you Sue Gardner

2014-06-01 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hello Everyone, As Lila officially takes over from Sue as the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation after this weekend it really is a moment to not only wish Lila a lot of succes in the coming years, but also to give a tremendous thanks to Sue for her work in the past years. Of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-01 Thread Yana Welinder
Gerard: Labs is not currently considered for zero-rating because it can be misused. But it may be added over time if we figure out how to work around that and there is demand for it. Rupert: Your comment seems unnecessarily hostile to me, but I'm going to try to assume good faith. I have of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Wikipedia Really 90% Wrong

2014-06-01 Thread Jasper Deng
I am pretty sure that a 90% wrong figure would fail an elementary statistical test of significance... On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 12:55 PM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: The journal article by Hasty et al published on May 1st 2014 basically took ten Wikipedia articles and ten “researchers”

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost is (sort of) published

2014-06-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 1 June 2014 11:17, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: We need a password for the automated publishing process that we don't have, and we're trying to get it. I have been working through some of the (complicated and poorly documented) Signpost templates and LivingBot for manual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Peter Southwood
I have seen little evidence either way. -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of edward Sent: 01 June 2014 01:14 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost is (sort of) published

2014-06-01 Thread Pete Forsyth
Andy, I don't think we're learning anything new here -- the signpost has always been produced by volunteers, and has often had a somewhat irregular publication schedule. I think Pine is trying to do his/her best to get through an immediate challenge, and I'm not sure it's fair to him/her to use

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost is (sort of) published

2014-06-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 1 June 2014 23:15, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, I don't think we're learning anything new here -- the signpost has always been produced by volunteers, and has often had a somewhat irregular publication schedule. I wasn't querying any irregualr publication schedule; I was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost is (sort of) published

2014-06-01 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Jun 1, 2014 4:28 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I didn't set a deadline for a reply to my question. OK, fair enough. Sorry if I jumped the gun. Pete ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

[Wikimedia-l] Reset the Internet

2014-06-01 Thread Moiz Syed
https://www.resetthenet.org/ I see EFF, Reddit, FSF in the list of supporting organizations. Why isn't Wikimedia/Wikipedia part of this? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-01 Thread Osmar Valdebenito
Regarding the news from Chile, the QZ article is pretty misleading regarding the decision taken by the Subtel. I've been talking with some people that have been more involved in net neutrality discussions in Chile and they say that the decision doesn't forbid zero-rated programs in general. It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-01 Thread Marco Correa
I asked to the Chilean Undersecretary of Telecommunications in Twitter, and he confirmed that Wikipedia Zero and the zero-rated programs are not forbidden in Chile. He said that the criteria applied is based on practices of providers. [1] I'm also happy to read that the WMF thinks that Wikipedia