[Wikimedia-l] Importance of educating the media contributors

2014-06-05 Thread Jeevan Jose
In many recent discussions in Wikimedia Commons, I noticed that many of our media contributors are not well aware of the terms of licenses they grant. Main confusions are in three areas: 1. Attribution: Many people think we can demand attribution near the work used in off wiki cases. But according

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Quick Hello from New List Subscriber

2014-06-05 Thread Comet styles
I know most on this list use their real names. not everyone, most of us believe MZMcBride is not even a dude!! :O ... oh and welcome banned user \\// meh, you are not a wikipedian unless you have been banned or blocked atleast once.. On 6/5/14, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Trillium

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Importance of educating the media contributors

2014-06-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jeevan Jose, 05/06/2014 07:59: So do we have a responsibility to educate the contributors than misusing their ignorance in such cases? The three points you raise are legally untested in most countries and even CC's FAQ is not legal advice. For us, point 1 is covered by ToU, but for 2 and 3

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Importance of educating the media contributors

2014-06-05 Thread Jeevan Jose
For us, point 1 is covered by ToU - Nemo But my understanding is Tou (7 g) is only applicable for Wikimedian who contribute their own works. We have so many third party uploads and they all must meet exact license terms. Regards, Jee On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ASBS results

2014-06-05 Thread Craig Franklin
A big congratulations to Patricio and Frieda, I know it's been a long time between drinks for Frieda in particular but I'm very comfortable and confident that both of you will do an excellent job. A massive thanks is also due to Alice Wiegand; around about the time that you joined the BoT it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Importance of educating the media contributors

2014-06-05 Thread Jeevan Jose
See. I upload a freely licensed photo from Flickr to Commons and another user added it to a Wikipedia article. A court concluded that mere linking to file description page in commons.wikimeda.org is not enough for attribution. Who is responsible for this infringement? Me, the user who added it, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Importance of educating the media contributors

2014-06-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jeevan Jose, 05/06/2014 14:04: So uploading third party images to Commons is a risky business? IANAL, but: not under DMCA unless a zealous attorney uses the new ToU to file criminal charges against you under CFAA. If someone can prove their copyright is not respected they'll get the content

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Importance of educating the media contributors

2014-06-05 Thread Jeevan Jose
If someone can prove their copyright is not respected they'll get the content deleted, end of story. Good; but shouldn't be this an eye opening for WMF to approach copyright matters seriously. Or we can amend the Commons:PCP: #6. If someone can prove their copyright is not respected they'll get

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Nathan
I think your concerns are way overblown, and you mishcaracterize or misunderstand the nature of the data collection that occurs. You also fail to even mention that there are safeguards that apply to how the data is used and how long it is retained. Far from escaping accountability, the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 05/06/2014 18:46: As a result, the finished policy has rightly garnered a lot of support and approval, {{citation needed}} ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan, 05/06/2014 18:46: As a result, the finished policy has rightly garnered a lot of support and approval, {{citation needed}}

[Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Trillium Corsage
I am writing to ask that the new privacy policy be stopped, pending briefings of and thorough consideration by the incoming executive director Lila Tretikov. The timing of this major policy change with all its implications, including great legal implications, is at minimum discourteous to Ms.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF May 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, June 5, 18:00 UTC

2014-06-05 Thread Praveena Maharaj
REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Praveena Maharaj pmaha...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, June 5, 2014 at 6 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Luis Villa
Hi, Trillium and others- The privacy policy has been the subject of one of the most extensive public discussions we've ever done. It was announced here repeatedly, was bannered extensively to give all readers and editors an opportunity to participate, and was open for discussion for nearly six

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Trillium Corsage
Dear Mr. Brigham, Excuse me, I should have copied you in the email I sent to the Wikimedia-l list I sent a few minutes ago, because I mentioned you in it. Here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-June/072499.html. Trillium Corsage

[Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Mingli Yuan
Hi, folks, Recently Lila had talk about #1 challenge in this mail-list which is related to participation. I want to recall Ward Cunningham's idea of observability in the very early days of wiki invention to address the possibility to enhance participation of Wikipedia today. If you visit the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mingli Yuan mingli.y...@gmail.com wrote: * Towards better content and community, what is the most important things we want our user to observe? Mingli, Thank you for raising this excellent and important question. I have long maintained -- and I think many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Michael Snow
On 6/5/2014 10:43 AM, Mingli Yuan wrote: If you visit the early page of c2.com, you will find the idea of observability is one pillar principle of wiki software, and just follow the idea, Ward invent the RecentChanges for all wikis. At that time c2 is very small; now Wikipedia is so big. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: Pete's were again primarily social and community-based, but at this level of discussion we should be looking at both social features and technical ones. YES YES YES! However, the current priorities of the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread
On 5 June 2014 18:33, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... If you still have concerns, please put them on the talk page. Just like we did this time around, we'll review all those comments and incorporate them when we next revise the policy, or, if appropriate, incorporate it into the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Samuel Klein
I am really so glad to see your post, Mingli. I hope you are well :--) Yes, this idea of observability is great. RecentChanges was a real strength of early wikis. Now we have so much metadata about pages and edits, we could cluster results in a more meaningful way... Also: what other ideas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Mingli Yuan, 05/06/2014 19:43: If you visit the early page of c2.com, you will find the idea of observability is one pillar principle of wiki software, and just follow the idea, Ward invent the RecentChanges for all wikis. Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Michael Snow
On 6/5/2014 11:11 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: Pete's were again primarily social and community-based, but at this level of discussion we should be looking at both social features and technical ones. YES YES YES! However,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I also don't believe that social and technical aspects can always be neatly separated. I'm guessing you don't either, Correct, I don't. I'm not looking to pull the discussion immediately toward the WMF's strategic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability (Mingli Yuan)

2014-06-05 Thread ENWP Pine
This is an interesting topic about RecentChanges and its many uses and variants. I'm copying Analytics, EE and Research lists because I hope that some of our colleagues from these lists will hop over to Wikimedia-l to participate in this discussion. [a] In particular I would call my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-05 Thread Trillium Corsage
To Luis and others, First thank you for responding. Now, you referred to WMF lawyer Michelle Paulson's excellent blog post, yes I suppose it is that. It's a terrific marketing document and piece of salesmanship, with feel-good phrases like the Wikimedia way is unique, open and collaborative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Quick Hello from New List Subscriber

2014-06-05 Thread Josh Lim
I’m generally pretty quiet on this list, but I figured I should respond to this. Wiadomość napisana przez Comet styles cometsty...@gmail.com w dniu 5 cze 2014, o godz. 14:03: meh, you are not a wikipedian unless you have been banned or blocked atleast once.. As a long-time Wikipedian who