Re: [Wikimedia-l] On relationship gossip and appropriate conversation

2014-06-16 Thread Pete Forsyth
Austin and all, I'm just coming back to this, and see that I have indeed been widely interpreted as having spoken from personal animosity. My one comment on this, which I hope will be allowed through, is that I carry absolutely no personal animosity toward anybody I mentioned, and if any of them

[Wikimedia-l] Please be considerate of everyone's time.

2014-06-16 Thread Lila Tretikov
Hi all, As I scanned through the weekend emails on this list I noticed that many of you are ready to get back to discussing the goals we are all working on. I am really glad to see that. We have plenty of interesting projects to discuss without the gossip. Let's respect the time that many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread Craig Franklin
I must agree with the frustration over the quality of discussion on this mailing list lately, but I did want to make clear my appreciation to the list admins, who have decided to avoid playing semantic word games over what is and is not appropriate, and started moderating people who want to use

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread Tim Starling
On 16/06/14 13:03, billinghurst wrote: I am looking for a productive mailing list that discusses matters of importance to the Wikimedia community. That the people on such a list can have these discussions politely, respectfully, and with concern for others in that the words that say, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 June 2014 10:41, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: The way to have a better mailing list is to not use a mailing list. NNTP with a web frontend would be better in pretty much every way. There are no good web frontends for NNTP. (GMane and Google Groups both manage worst of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 June 2014 10:43, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 June 2014 10:41, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: The way to have a better mailing list is to not use a mailing list. NNTP with a web frontend would be better in pretty much every way. There are no good web

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please be considerate of everyone's time.

2014-06-16 Thread Samuel Klein
We have an updated Wikipedia Beta app? Aha, so we do. :) With a little edit pencil next to sections... And an elegant check to see if you want to save an anon edit or log in, after editing. Very nice indeed. Looks like a solid improvement. I'll try editing with it for a week. Hmm, still no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thinking twice is nice and that's what mailman moderation is about. Just for this month we could half the soft quota (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l ) and calculate it over two months. According to http://www.infodisiac.com/Wikipedia/ScanMail/Wikimedia-l.html this would mean

[Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread Anders Wennersten
After having changed job and residence Sverker is now on it again. This time Lsjbot will generate some 300 000 articles on plant species. The initiative is now receiving full support and even enthusiasm from the fellow wikipedians on svwp It is now close to one year since the 1M article on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I blogged about Lsjbot.. [1]. I really hope that a lot of attention is given in finding the links to existing items in Wikidata. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/06/wikipedia-to-bot-or-not-to-bot.html On 16 June 2014 12:25, Anders Wennersten

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread pi zero
I am looking for a productive mailing list that discusses matters of importance to the Wikimedia community. That the people on such a list can have these discussions politely, respectfully, and with concern for others in that the words that say, and attitudes taken. I want to see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread Anders Wennersten
we have now spent one year trying to use Wikidata operationally, in our botprojects, but found it is impossible in the state it is now, from many perspectives. It has been a big disappointment but we hope it will look better a year from now Anders Gerard Meijssen skrev 2014-06-16 12:44:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread Jane Darnell
Nemo, thanks for that - it really made me laugh. Jane On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking twice is nice and that's what mailman moderation is about. Just for this month we could half the soft quota (https://meta.wikimedia.org/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Lets talk Thanks, Gerard On 16 June 2014 13:29, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: we have now spent one year trying to use Wikidata operationally, in our botprojects, but found it is impossible in the state it is now, from many perspectives. It has been a big

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread David Gerard
Everyone move to wikien-l! It's pretty much disused now. Go on, give me work to do. On 16 June 2014 11:23, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking twice is nice and that's what mailman moderation is about. Just for this month we could half the soft quota

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry but en,wp is not for me and many others.. No reasons except that it is not what I/we am/are involved in. We need something that is more inclusive. Thanks, GerardM On 16 June 2014 13:44, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone move to wikien-l! It's pretty much disused

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please be considerate of everyone's time.

2014-06-16 Thread Thehelpfulone
Ahh, but some of us are on iOS which doesn’t seem to have been updated on the App Store in a while! The latest status update (at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/status#2014-05-monthly) seems to suggest it’s in Alpha state. Please can someone from the Apps Team give me some

[Wikimedia-l] FDC nominations - please ask your questions to the candidates

2014-06-16 Thread Delphine Ménard
Hello all, it is with great pleasure that I see the long and diverse list of people having nominated themselves to participate in the FDC in the years to come. [1] The deadline for nominations has passed, and it is now time for the community to ask questions to the candidates. While the next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please be considerate of everyone's time.

2014-06-16 Thread edward
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, As I scanned through the weekend emails on this list I noticed that many of you are ready to get back to discussing the goals we are all working on. I am really glad to see that. We have plenty of interesting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread David Cuenca
It would be interesting to know what needs to be improved, so... what prevented you of using the data? And from which different perspectives? Cheers, Micru On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: we have now spent one year trying to use Wikidata

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia mobile apps (was: Please be considerate of everyone's time.)

2014-06-16 Thread Brion Vibber
As Sage notes, the functionality of the new apps is about the same on both Android and iOS, with some differences in the UI. Like the beta Android version, we're using a sidebar ToC instead of collapsing sections (though it's a bit fancier looking on iOS right now!) and we've added basic login

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Anders, for my understanding, could you give a few examples of what kind of datatypes are still missing that you would need (ideally datatypes I can actually understand). Thanks! Lodewijk 2014-06-16 16:20 GMT+02:00 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se: Just a few examples. *It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread David Cuenca
That is quite unfortunate. I understand that when you say datatype you mean property? From my experience those are best suggested in the frame of a task force or wikiproject, then you have some context and a broader view on how data can be represented. Sometimes new users come with the question

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks, you are right they are called Properties Our effort consist of 3-5 rather independent botgerantionseffort, each talking with wikidata by themselves and I am the one understand the technique least. So I can just repeat some of the things I have been told *Inconsistent licensing (and

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread Stephen LaPorte
Hi all, We would like to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees has approved an amendment to Section 4 of the Terms of Use to require disclosure of paid editing. This follows the extensive discussion of the amendment

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread Tomasz W . Kozlowski
Stephen LaPorte writes: We would like to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees has approved an amendment to Section 4 of the Terms of Use to require disclosure of paid editing. There is a proposal on Wikimedia Commons that aims to opt-out that project from the amendment,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, WOW, CAN SOMEONE WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO CLARIFY IF THIS WILL GET A HEARING? Either it is something that should apply to all projects and consequently it is a board issue or it is en.wp only. When it is en.wp only, the policy is either not carefully thought through or it should not be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread Tilman Bayer
Hi GerardM, have you read Stephen's email? On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, WOW, CAN SOMEONE WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO CLARIFY IF THIS WILL GET A HEARING? Either it is something that should apply to all projects and consequently

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread Risker
Not quite sure what you're shouting about, Gerard. The amendment clearly gives individual projects the right to have an alternative to this particular section of the terms of use, and that alternative can be either more strict or less strict. Seems Commons is considering an alternative that is

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Mexico. Report of Activities of May 2014

2014-06-16 Thread Carmen Alcázar
Dear community: Below you will find the report of activities of the month of May 2014 done by the volunteers of Wikimedia Mexico. Please don't hesitate to get in touch with us if you require extra information about this activities or only to make some suggestions. The report is also available on

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia engineering report, May 2014

2014-06-16 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, The report covering Wikimedia engineering activities in May 2014 is now available. Wiki version: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_engineering_report/2014/May Blog version: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/15/engineering-report-may-2014/ We're also proposing a shorter, simpler and

[Wikimedia-l] Court decision in Jones v. Dirty World Recording Entertainment LLC

2014-06-16 Thread Newyorkbrad
(Cross-posted from my En-wiki talkpage) The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Sixth_Circuit has issued its decision today in *Jones v. Dirty World Entertainment Recordings LLC*. This is a well-known dispute involving

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Court decision in Jones v. Dirty World Recording Entertainment LLC

2014-06-16 Thread edward
On 16/06/2014 21:07, Newyorkbrad wrote: In its decision, the Sixth Circuit takes a broad view of Section 230 and holds that Section 230 protection is not lost even where the website operator solicited contributors to post unsourced and uncorroborated dirt about anyone they pleased, and even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Court decision in Jones v. Dirty World Recording Entertainment LLC

2014-06-16 Thread Newyorkbrad
It's certainly a very troubling outcome given the facts of the case, which I was reporting rather than endorsing. The appeals court relied partly on the breadth of the statute enacted by Congress, and partly on the difficulty of drawing lines reflecting which types of conduct by a site-owner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please be considerate of everyone's time.

2014-06-16 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 6:22 AM, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: Could I ask if there are any plans by WMF to address some of the content problems in Wikipedia? Pretty much any article in my specialist area (which is actually not all that specialist) has serious problems - gross factual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please be considerate of everyone's time.

2014-06-16 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi Ed - Though I'm not sure what your area of specialty is offhand, I'd point you towards the Wiki Education Foundation and the US Education Program. Although the program has a bit of a checkered history, I feel like it's starting to come together quite well, and it does have the direct aim of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please be considerate of everyone's time.

2014-06-16 Thread geni
On 17 June 2014 00:23, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation does not write nor edit content on Wikipedia, nor does it dictate editorial policy. All of the content is written, edited, and controlled by whomever would like to volunteer their time to improve

[Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-16 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, Some Commons contributors like to ask impossible requirements, and threaten to delete files if these are not met. We have now a case of famous pictures from the government of Israel and Israel Defense Forces.

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of April 2014 meeting

2014-06-16 Thread Stephen LaPorte
Hello all, We have published the minutes from the Board's April 2014 meeting in San Francisco, which you may find here: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-04-25 -- Stephen LaPorte Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation *NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees: Minutes of April 2014 meeting

2014-06-16 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
I am very happy to see the discussion of user groups and the concern about their lack of formation. Hopefully, the process can be amended to fit better to what was originally envisioned. From: slapo...@wikimedia.org Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:49:53 +0200 To:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite sure what you're shouting about, Gerard. The amendment clearly gives individual projects the right to have an alternative to this particular section of the terms of use, and that alternative can be either more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread Risker
On 16 June 2014 20:48, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Not quite sure what you're shouting about, Gerard. The amendment clearly gives individual projects the right to have an alternative to this particular

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Court decision in Jones v. Dirty World Recording Entertainment LLC

2014-06-16 Thread Kevin Godfrey
On 17 Jun 2014, at 4:17 am, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: On 16/06/2014 21:07, Newyorkbrad wrote: In its decision, the Sixth Circuit takes a broad view of Section 230 and holds that Section 230 protection is not lost even where the website operator solicited contributors to post

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread MZMcBride
Risker wrote: I'm so very disappointed in the Board and the WMF for this TOU amendment, which was obviously written to quell concerns about English Wikipedia, with extremely little consideration of any other project. Now projects *must* formally exempt practices that are perfectly acceptable to