Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Lodewijk
would that become Wikimedia Uncommons or Unwikimedia Commons? Or do we avoid this question by leaving it to an outside party? Lodewijk (who is btw not so much charmed of an uncommons at all) 2014-06-17 21:06 GMT+02:00 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:19 PM, George

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Peter Southwood
This is a strong argument for locating Uncommons outside the USA. Somewhere where the copyright laws allow the widest range of images to be kept. Images can be tagged for where they are free and where they are not free. -Original Message- From:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Peter Southwood
Is it currently possible and acceptable to include an image from Flickr or equivalent in an article in any project? I don’t think I have ever seen/noticed this done. -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread geni
On 18 June 2014 08:43, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: This is a strong argument for locating Uncommons outside the USA. Somewhere where the copyright laws allow the widest range of images to be kept. Images can be tagged for where they are free and where they are not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread
On 18/06/2014, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: This is a strong argument for locating Uncommons outside the USA. Somewhere where the copyright laws allow the widest range of images to be kept. Images can be tagged for where they are free and where they are not free. I have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Petr Kadlec
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:00 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: From the technical side, supporting one-click (i.e., easy to use) file moves between wikis would be enormously helpful here. This would allow transferring files to Commons or from Commons without much pain, which should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Arguably when all repositories of media-files are Wikidatified, general availability could be as difficult as selecting the appropriate license. To do this no new project is needed as the Wikidata team has started work. All that is needed is to have one database to know about all media

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread
On 18/06/2014, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Arguably when all repositories of media-files are Wikidatified, general availability could be as difficult as selecting the appropriate license. To do this no new project is needed as the Wikidata team has started work. All

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Yann Forget
2014-06-18 1:43 GMT+05:30 Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com: Yann, On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: The rules of the project, free license, or in the public domain in USA and in the source country, are fine as long as they are not used to game the

[Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread
On 18/06/2014, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: ... A single editor in Commons can tweaks license information as much as it might be in Wikidata. Remember both Commons and Wikidata are wikis. It is likely that a property will be needed to reference an OTRS instance. Reasons why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: At the current time, I have yet to see how the Wikidata theoretical use improves finding images on Commons today. After regularly getting emails over the past two years raising expectations of how these problems will be solved

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Magnus Manske
The issue here seems to be political/community rather than technology. I could probably set up a MediaWiki installation with WikiBase plugin on Tool Labs within a day or so, then have a bot create/synchronize an item for each file on Commons. Community could start to create properties, and bots

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Pierre-Selim
2014-06-18 16:58 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com: The issue here seems to be political/community rather than technology. I could probably set up a MediaWiki installation with WikiBase plugin on Tool Labs within a day or so, then have a bot create/synchronize an item for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Magnus Manske
It would just have to be ported to Commons once there's a native WIkiBase installation. If it will be ported at all. Is it really worth the fuss, so we can tinker for a few months? (I would genuinely like to know!) On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread
On 18 June 2014 16:16, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: It would just have to be ported to Commons once there's a native WIkiBase installation. If it will be ported at all. Is it really worth the fuss, so we can tinker for a few months? (I would genuinely like to know!) Only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: Every time I read these discussions (I tend to save time by doing something more productive) they seem to be talking hypothetically about future plans which are always a year or two away, before we can see anything I could

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread
On 18/06/2014, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: I understand you've not seen much until now. But look at it from the other side. Over the last two years we've created the base with Wikidata. Over the next year we'll be expanding it to Commons. There is still a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If you care to a long time ago in the days when Wikidata was years in the future, I have created a proof of concept based on the OmegaWiki technology. It demonstrated how multilingual support would improve the usability of Commons. Wikidata is a different beast but not so different that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)

2014-06-18 Thread
On 14 June 2014 15:08, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hi Richard, thanks for specifying a reason for moderation. Could you define what you intend limited time to be, particularly as I believe there is no public appeals process. A month of moderation given acceptable use? ... that from *my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)

2014-06-18 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: I have taken a moment to find a relevant reference to back up my memory, see [1] which shows Salvio giuliano vigorously defending his use of the word butthurt. Salvio giulano is a current English Wikipedia Arbcom member. I have not