Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner and chapter members
I recall hearing about this idea before at least once. I'm emailing this to Steven Walling to get input from the Growth team. It's an interesting idea especially if WMDE tried it and had success. Pine On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:29 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wmde had big success coupling the fundraising banner with a how ti contribute message (active, passive chapter members, community projects ...). There is only one other chapter currently beeing able to do that, wmch. Would it be possible to allow this to all chapters in future if they want to? To note, this is _not_ about changing the payment processing. Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)
Please note that moderation is not a punishment: it is imposed as a measure to avoid future posts within a certain pattern of expectation when there are reasonable grounds to do so. I think many people will agree that Russavia has been uncivil on quite a few occasios - I would even go as far as that I'm not surprised any more if (s)he is uncivil on this list. Therefore, I think there is a reasonable expectation that the pattern will continue - and I find it acceptable to moderate a person in such a situation to ensure future posts will be posterboys of civilty (well, or at least somewhat moderate). I'm confident that the list moderators will moderate timely, will let through decent posts that approach civilty and that they will remove the moderation once the expectation of uncivil posts has been reversed (for example, when Russavia stopped making them). I do second the insinuated requests by Tomasz and Fae that other people should be held to the same standards in the future, and they be moderated too when a pattern of uncivil behavior develops. Best, Lodewijk 2014-06-19 1:31 GMT+02:00 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: I have taken a moment to find a relevant reference to back up my memory, see [1] which shows Salvio giuliano vigorously defending his use of the word butthurt. Salvio giulano is a current English Wikipedia Arbcom member. I have not bothered to research further use of this word by other current or past Arbcom members. I think most readers of this list will find it odd to see that butthurt used in a mild and colourful context on this list by Russavia, gets highlighted and becomes a matter of objection by Newyorkbrad, a current Arbcom member, resulting in Russavia being moderated for an unspecified duration, while another Arbcom member has previously stated that his use of the same rude word is perfectly appropriate and legitimate public behaviour for himself in the rough and tumble of frank discussion. Could the rationale for moderation be restated please, so that Russavia better understands what was unacceptable about his post here, and could we please have an idea as to what duration moderation is expected? Links 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/CheckUser_and_Oversight/2012_CUOS_appointments/OS/Salvio_giulianodiff=499668471oldid=499659747 PS I have not discussed this email with Russavia, nor has Russavia canvassed me about it. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae This is the same discussion where you described using the word butthurt as offensive in any context, inflammatory, uncivil, disrespectful and possibly defamatory? What, again, was your complaint with Russavia being moderated for writing it? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Rethinking Commons paradigms with Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: In the meantime, it might be an idea for folks to avoid claiming that any issue that pops up on Commons can be solved in Wikidata, unless they can produce a working case study rather than discussion about proposals. One of the Commons parts that could benefit most from Wikidata are the content pages, aka Galleries. Right now they are volunteer-maintained and they look like this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia But it doesn't need to be so, these pages could be automated, so the page is composed by querying images and sorting them automatically. Of course volunteer intervention would be also needed to define the queries, but it would be more sustainable than now (i.e. the page would be automatically updated with new images if they meet the query criteria). To achieve this it would be necessary to re-think Galleries, and consider other paradigms, like that used by IMSLP. Check for instance: http://imslp.org/wiki/Tristan_und_Isolde,_WWV_90_(Wagner,_Richard) That is a page for the work, and the different expressions/files are structured in one page. This structure however is volunteer-maintained, but it is to consider each file as a metadata container, and the section as the result of a query. This approach is not followed in Commons, that is more category-oriented. Going back to the original Sagrada Familia gallery example: - the header data can be extracted from Wikidata with a Lua template. That can be done now, no need to wait, just needs a Lua template and connect with Wikidata via sitelink. - each section would be a query for instance depicts:sagrada familia AND depicts:exterior. - each file would be needed to be tagged accordingly with structured data, and it would show up in the gallery page. Galleries, thus, would become the hub where all media related to a subject could be accessed. That, of course, would be too many images, considering that just the Towers of Sagrada familia category has 159 images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Towers_of_the_Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia That means that it would be needed to limit query results and define criteria to decide which images to show, and let the user expand the full query when wished. Or another page (gallery) could be created for the Towers of Sagrada familia, which in turn could contain more queries for further details about the the towers depicts:sagrada familia AND depicts:exterior AND depicts:right tower AND NOT depicts:left tower. Categories would be rendered superfluous, with the focus shifted towards maintaining queries and the proper description of image files with structured data. Anyhow, these are just some ideas to show that there are different ways of working with media that might be more effective in the long run. Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethinking Commons paradigms with Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons
Though I like the IMSLP approach, I still like the totally free format of Commons galleries, and many categories have more than one gallery, so a standard approach may not work well. I do think WikiData can help with image navigation somehow, but I am just not sure how. As I understood Lua, this won't help. quote Categories would be rendered superfluous, with the focus shifted towards maintaining queries and the proper description of image files with structured data. /unquote Ahh - the dream of every Wiki(p/m)edian who has hit the wall on category limitations! I don't believe they will ever become superfluous. Rather, I think we should be increasing the use of categories (using them almost like tags) and even allowing empty categories using placeholders taken from existing Wikipedia articles that are missing pictures. Also, I don't think many of our Sagrada familia photo contributors have an idea what a query is, nor do they care about structured data. Using your example, We could split the Towers of Sagrada familia into each tower, then into each sculpture on each tower, etc. Volunteers decide the structure of the categories that may or may not match up with WikiData items, but only filled categories are visible to the casual browser. The next time someone uploads something into the default Sagrada Familia category, there could be push messages to the uploader displaying something from the empty category placeholders, along the lines of Z-language Wikipedia is missing a picture of X tower - does this file show that? The WLM project has a rough version of this with the easy upload link for the unique identifiers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments#Unique_identifiers This puts the infrastructure on Wikipedia along with the prompt to upload. It would be nice if the prompt to upload could be on Commons directly. On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:51 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: In the meantime, it might be an idea for folks to avoid claiming that any issue that pops up on Commons can be solved in Wikidata, unless they can produce a working case study rather than discussion about proposals. One of the Commons parts that could benefit most from Wikidata are the content pages, aka Galleries. Right now they are volunteer-maintained and they look like this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia But it doesn't need to be so, these pages could be automated, so the page is composed by querying images and sorting them automatically. Of course volunteer intervention would be also needed to define the queries, but it would be more sustainable than now (i.e. the page would be automatically updated with new images if they meet the query criteria). To achieve this it would be necessary to re-think Galleries, and consider other paradigms, like that used by IMSLP. Check for instance: http://imslp.org/wiki/Tristan_und_Isolde,_WWV_90_(Wagner,_Richard) That is a page for the work, and the different expressions/files are structured in one page. This structure however is volunteer-maintained, but it is to consider each file as a metadata container, and the section as the result of a query. This approach is not followed in Commons, that is more category-oriented. Going back to the original Sagrada Familia gallery example: - the header data can be extracted from Wikidata with a Lua template. That can be done now, no need to wait, just needs a Lua template and connect with Wikidata via sitelink. - each section would be a query for instance depicts:sagrada familia AND depicts:exterior. - each file would be needed to be tagged accordingly with structured data, and it would show up in the gallery page. Galleries, thus, would become the hub where all media related to a subject could be accessed. That, of course, would be too many images, considering that just the Towers of Sagrada familia category has 159 images: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Towers_of_the_Sagrada_Fam%C3%ADlia That means that it would be needed to limit query results and define criteria to decide which images to show, and let the user expand the full query when wished. Or another page (gallery) could be created for the Towers of Sagrada familia, which in turn could contain more queries for further details about the the towers depicts:sagrada familia AND depicts:exterior AND depicts:right tower AND NOT depicts:left tower. Categories would be rendered superfluous, with the focus shifted towards maintaining queries and the proper description of image files with structured data. Anyhow, these are just some ideas to show that there are different ways of working with media that might be more effective in the long run. Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Please note that moderation is not a punishment: it is imposed as a measure to avoid future posts within a certain pattern of expectation when there are reasonable grounds to do so. Absolutely correct. Moderated posts stand a good chance of continuing on to the list, so long as they aren't furthering whatever caused their sender's posts to be held. I think many people will agree that Russavia has been uncivil on quite a few occasios - I would even go as far as that I'm not surprised any more if (s)he is uncivil on this list. Therefore, I think there is a reasonable expectation that the pattern will continue - and I find it acceptable to moderate a person in such a situation to ensure future posts will be posterboys of civilty (well, or at least somewhat moderate). I'm confident that the list moderators will moderate timely, will let through decent posts that approach civilty and that they will remove the moderation once the expectation of uncivil posts has been reversed (for example, when Russavia stopped making them). I think the note Richard sent about the action unintentionally drew too much attention to one particular word, when the reality is that it was the result of a pattern of behavior that we finally deemed to be too much. And while he remains on moderation, the one message I've seen Russavia send since was allowed to be posted, because—as Lodewijk points out—moderation is not a punitive ban. I do second the insinuated requests by Tomasz and Fae that other people should be held to the same standards in the future, and they be moderated too when a pattern of uncivil behavior develops. It's true that there have been periods where this list hasn't been watched as closely as at other times, and I understand that this can seem downright unfair. I will say that at least the default is to err on the side of leniency, but we'll do our best to continue with even-handed oversight. Austin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethinking Commons paradigms with Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Though I like the IMSLP approach, I still like the totally free format of Commons galleries, and many categories have more than one gallery, so a standard approach may not work well. I do think WikiData can help with image navigation somehow, but I am just not sure how. As I understood Lua, this won't help. It doesn't need to be a fixed structure, it can be a mix with some static media galleries, and some dynamic galleries defined with Ask: https://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries Ahh - the dream of every Wiki(p/m)edian who has hit the wall on category limitations! I don't believe they will ever become superfluous. Rather, I think we should be increasing the use of categories (using them almost like tags) and even allowing empty categories using placeholders taken from existing Wikipedia articles that are missing pictures. They could be complementary. For instance, there could be bots that would tag images in the category sagrada familia as depicts:sagrada familia. And the other way round too. Also, I don't think many of our Sagrada familia photo contributors have an idea what a query is, nor do they care about structured data. And neither they should! Better to ask: what is in the picture? and let them pick any item from wikidata to tag it with. Using your example, We could split the Towers of Sagrada familia into each tower, then into each sculpture on each tower, etc. Volunteers decide the structure of the categories that may or may not match up with WikiData items, but only filled categories are visible to the casual browser. The next time someone uploads something into the default Sagrada Familia category, there could be push messages to the uploader displaying something from the empty category placeholders, along the lines of Z-language Wikipedia is missing a picture of X tower - does this file show that? Excellent idea! Actually any part of Sagrada Familia that can have a gallery page, could fulfill the criteria for having a Wikidata item. There we can store data about the item and its relation with the whole (sagrada familia right towerpart ofSagrada Familia) or about the height, builders, status, etc. Then it becomes trivial to display the whole tree and signal which parts are missing. As an example of tree check: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html?q=Q1785783rp=361lang=enmethod=listdepth=4 If this tree was connected with Commons, then I could know which compositions miss audio and try to find a recording. Same for any building that can be partitioned. Just build the concept tree in Wikidata, tag the images appropriately and then you have a very nice overview about which parts miss pictures. The WLM project has a rough version of this with the easy upload link for the unique identifiers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments#Unique_identifiers This puts the infrastructure on Wikipedia along with the prompt to upload. It would be nice if the prompt to upload could be on Commons directly. Perfect, later on it could be used a standard wikidata identifier to tag images with the same result. Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)
Austin Hair wrote: It's true that there have been periods where this list hasn't been watched as closely as at other times [...] That's an awfully generous way of putting it. If you're no longer interested in being a list moderator, you could always step down. There are plenty of dedicated and active volunteers willing to help moderate this list. I'm not sure if others feel the same way, but I would be very glad to see you resign as I feel you're some mixture of an absentee landlord and a mandarin, clinging to this role for no particularly good reason. Unfortunately, neither of these labels fits quite right and I've yet to find the perfect word to capture this pattern of behavior. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation (was Wikiconference USA in the media)
I cannot help but wonder, what good you hope to accomplish with this rant. Seriously, if you insist on making personal attacks like this, just send a private email. Best, Lodewijk 2014-06-19 15:48 GMT+02:00 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: Austin Hair wrote: It's true that there have been periods where this list hasn't been watched as closely as at other times [...] That's an awfully generous way of putting it. If you're no longer interested in being a list moderator, you could always step down. There are plenty of dedicated and active volunteers willing to help moderate this list. I'm not sure if others feel the same way, but I would be very glad to see you resign as I feel you're some mixture of an absentee landlord and a mandarin, clinging to this role for no particularly good reason. Unfortunately, neither of these labels fits quite right and I've yet to find the perfect word to capture this pattern of behavior. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor office hours
Hi, guys. Just a reminder that the first of these starts in about 10 minutes. :) Hope to see you there! Maggie On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Maggie Dennis mden...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know, so you could mark your calendars if interested, that the June and July IRC office hour to discuss VisualEditor will be held on Thursday June 19th at 1500 UTC and on Saturday July 19th at 2100 UTC. (See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours for time conversion links.) The logs will be posted on meta after the office hour completes. You'll find it, along with logs for older office hours on the topic, at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:VisualEditor_office_hours_logs Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours for more information on what office hours and how to join in. Hope to see you there. :) Thanks! Maggie -- Maggie Dennis Senior Community Advocate Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. -- Maggie Dennis Senior Community Advocate Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] (WMF Board blog post) Through Thick And Thin
For those who have not seen it yet, on June 13th the third installment in a series of regular blog posts by the members of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees was posted on the Wikimedia blog. This month’s post was written by Board member Bishakha Datta on the topic of leadership within the complex structures of the Wikimedia Foundation. The post is available in English. From: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/13/through-thick-and-thin/ Through Thick And Thin Posted by Bishakha Datta on June 13, 2014 *This post is part of an ongoing series of monthly blog posts by members of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees that aims to shed light on the function, responsibilities and inner workings of the Board.* I’ve often thought you need the thin skin of an amphibian and the thick hide of a rhinoceros to be a trustee of the Wikimedia Foundation. Your skin must be thin enough to allow different ideas, voices, thoughts and perspectives to permeate, including those most distant or different from your own – openness is an inherent aspect of leadership. At the same time, it must be thick enough to weed out distractions and inessentials. And of course, your mind must be capable of knowing the difference. What makes leadership complex in Wikimedia is its vast, diverse and decentralized nature. Like the movement itself, the 10 of us on the Wikimedia Foundation board come from different cultures, continents, backgrounds and experiences – all of which shape how we understand power and leadership. And all of which determine, to some extent, the kinds of leaders we aspire to be or will become. Let’s dive a bit deeper into this. In companies or corporations where the notion of hierarchy is accepted, power can flow directly up or down in a straight line. In academics, the teacher-learner dynamic provides cues for the exercise of power and leadership. In the women’s rights movement, which is part of my background, power is a dirty word and erasing power inequalities between genders is an explicit goal. Thus leadership here cannot be overt or heavy-handed; it has to be subtle and implicit, more circular and collective, sometimes even veiled. In the sex workers’ rights movement, of which I am a long-time ally, we turn power on its head and equip unlettered sex workers or the ‘powerless’ to become leaders. This requires supportive ‘outsiders’ to consciously step back and transfer some of their own skills and power to ‘insiders’. As WMF trustees, we exercise leadership through a mix of methods, from the invisible to the visible, the implicit to the explicit and the subtle to the evident. One of our most commonplace, yet most profound, acts of leadership is upholding shared values and principles, an everyday act that we take almost for granted. Let’s take consensus, which is a movement-wide principle. [1] On the WMF board, we regularly strive for consensus in our decision-making, while understanding that consensus is not unanimity. This is done through certain routinely followed processes. For example, at our board meetings, virtual or physical, each trustee is given a chance to speak on each agenda item. This may sound basic, but this is essential to give everyone a voice. This round-robin technique ensures that newer trustees are not hesitant to speak, brings diverse views to the table, prevents any one trustee or viewpoint from dominating the discussion, or the formation of cliques or lobbies advocating a particular perspective. And it ensures we don’t get entrenched in our individual positions – as long as we are honest enough to admit we may not have all the answers in our heads. And open enough to changing our minds in the face of better evidence, arguments and insights. And as each trustee voices his or her thoughts, never repeating what has already been said, but plus-oneing, adding, sifting, sorting, shading, unconsidered points and nuances appear on the table, the conversation starts to round out – and commonalities, or the building blocks of consensus, start to emerge. I find this process almost magical – and Wikipedian in the sense that our collective decisions are built through our individual contributions that we share with one another, just like our articles. Another way we exercise leadership is by using our influence, but this is done sparingly, modestly and in a peer-to-peer manner that fosters equality in keeping with our values. An encouraging nod, supportive email or helping hand where it can make a difference, a candid behind-the-scenes conversation when it’s called for, sometimes calling a spade a spade, or a banana a banana rather than an elongated yellow fruit. There is satisfaction at having done the right thing, even though no one may be there to witness it. Leadership is often misunderstood only as flaunting one’s power, but it is as much about recognizing and accepting the impact, and the limits of power. As WMF trustees, we entrust the Executive Director to make or implement
[Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library: New Free Accounts Available
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