Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiknic in the Netherlands a success

[Pete Forsyth]

Yes, thanks Romaine!

Today we had a nice Wicnic in SF, organized by Saehrimnir, Phoebe, and
Stephen. I had a great time talking to old and new wiki friends. We had
people from all over the Bay Area, as well as from India, Taiwan, Germany,
and probably other places -- and people from Wiktionary, WikiHow,
Wikisource, etc.

It was also personally gratifying for me -- I organized a Wicnic here a
couple years ago, and felt bad last year for not doing very much, and this
year doing nothing at all to carry it forward. It's excellent to see others
pick right up and make it happen, though -- here and around the world. I
raised a quiet orange juice toast to this concept in one of the plastic
cups I originally bought for the 2011 Wicnic :)

Any more Wicnic reports out there? I'm sure I'm not the only one who enjoys
hearing about things like this here!

Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]


On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Romaine Wiki 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all!
> >
> > Today we had a Wikinic [1] in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. Photos in
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wiknic_Eindhoven_2014
>
>
> ​Very cool, Romaine. Thanks for taking part in both putting this together
> and documenting it :).​
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiknic in the Netherlands a success

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Romaine Wiki  wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> Today we had a Wikinic [1] in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. Photos in
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wiknic_Eindhoven_2014


​Very cool, Romaine. Thanks for taking part in both putting this together
and documenting it :).​

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Kevin Gorman]

Regarding the IA: they have a significant interest in working with the
Wikimedia projects, a lot more experience than the Wikimedia projects have
caching absolutely tremendous quantities of data, a willinness to handle a
degree of legal risk that would be inappropriate for the Wikimedia projects
to take on, and a willingness to adapt their services to better fit our
needs (even when it rquires engineering time ) A large chunk of the
infrastructure needed to do something like this is already in place on
their end, and they're willing to work with Wikimedia projects to ensure it
is actively useful for us.  Because of the source of their financing and
mission, they're pretty much guaranteed to stay around for the long term,
which is certainly important in us considering a partner.  I've spoken with
them about various Wikimedia-collaborations before (including meetings at
WMF's offices,) and would be more than happy to either act as a liaison
with them about this or to simply make appropriate introductions.

To me, at first glance at least, partnering with an established
organization that has the financing, desire, technical skills to pull this
off without much of a hitch, and has already built out much of the required
infrastucture, seems likely to be a better idea than trying to establish
the capability ourselves from the ground up (especially when the total
amount of storage this will need is _greater_ than the total amount of
storage than toolserver, across all projects, had.)

Best,
Kevin Gorman


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Andrew Gray 
wrote:

> On 4 July 2014 01:00, James Salsman  wrote:
> >>  I don't think it's a donation if you're getting something (a survey)
> in return.
> >
> > How could the Foundation possibly not benefit from understanding
> > contributors' opinions about general strategic goals for improving
> > participation?
> >
> > I also want development of accuracy review. If there are any reasons
> > that the Foundation would not benefit from that, the survey, or a
> > reflinks cache which includes enough room to fit a category adjacency
> > map in, then please bring them to my attention.
>
> The survey *again*? Oh, dear. It was a bad idea before, and it's still
> a bad idea when we're bribed into agreeing to it with hardware
> donations.
>
> James, this is getting a bit sad to see. You've raised this idea of a
> political issues survey a dozen or more times on the mailing list over
> a couple of years, and the responses tend to be along the lines of
> "no, that's inappropriate" or "no, that's irrelevant", both from the
> community and from Foundation staffers; at least one person honestly
> seemed to think it was satirical!
>
> I don't think these responses were particularly ambiguous, so it's a
> bit odd that you seem to think that people haven't clearly explained
> why it's a bad idea.
>
> See, eg,
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-March/070583.html
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-April/070937.html
>
> Almost every issue on that political survey is irrelevant to most of
> our work - I suppose you could make a case for "metropolitan
> broadband", which might be relevant - and irrelevant to the specific
> question of volunteer participation.
>
> To take a straw poll on whether a few people in the community prefer
> "steeply progressive taxation" to "school class size reduction", and
> then use that as justification to divert resources into one or the
> other those topics, is frankly insulting to our donors and volunteers,
> who have signed up to support something entirely different and nothing
> to do with either of them. It also arrogantly presumes a lot about
> other people's political and economic beliefs which I find somewhat
> disquieting - why are you so confident that Wikipedians are *for* all
> of these things?
>
> Wikimedia has a goal we have chosen to adopt and a general method we
> have developed to try and achieve it. That method does not involve
> engineering massive external changes in order to produce long-term
> second or third-order effects that *might*, in some undefined fashion,
> lead to incidental benefits towards the goal in a decade or three.
>
> Those changes may be *good* in and of themselves - in most cases, I'd
> agree they would be, and I think our community would broadly tend to
> agree as well - but bringing them about is simply not what Wikimedia
> was set up to do and it's not what people have given money and time to
> support. Why not throw WMF's efforts at cancer treatment or clean-air
> programs? Or climate-change campaigns? All great things and need all
> the support they can get, and they'd probably have as much effect on
> user activity as data-centre energy efficiency... which is to say,
> very little direct impact.
>
> Put it from the other perspective: we should try and work on (or at
> least identify!) things which might directly affect the problem of
> participation, rather than trying to solve 

[Wikimedia-l] Wiknic in the Netherlands a success

[Romaine Wiki]

Hello all!

Today we had a Wikinic [1] in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. Photos in
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wiknic_Eindhoven_2014

We brought food and drinks, at the site Dutch pancakes were baked and a
diverse selection of food was brought in, like: strawberry pie, rice pie
(both from one of the finest bakeries in the Netherlands), cinnamon breads,
sausages, fruits, breads, and much more, but off course also the most
important and best: stroopwafels
.

I told the people present about the e-mail of Wikidata selfies and we went
all on photo with the logo clearly visible:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiknic_Eindhoven_2014-07-06_at_14.39_Wikidata_selfie.jpg

Romaine



[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiknic
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[Wikimedia-l] Discussions at Wikimania

[Lodewijk]

Dear all,

Summary: Please share which topics you would like to discuss at Wikimania!

(feel free to forward this email to relevant mailing lists)
At Wikimania, I would like to try to increase the number planned and
facilitated discussions directly relating to the wikimedia projects (rather
than meta-discussions). For that we have (Thanks Ed!) set up the
'Discussion Room' as an experiment.

For a full day, we will dedicate one room to current, relevant and
facilitated round table discussions. However, to make sure we have current
and relevant topics, I need your help! These discussions will be round
table discussions, involving everyone in the room (ideally), so no panel
discussions where you can lean back and let a happy few do all the heavy
lifting. Therefore, it is important that you care about the topics!

*What topics*, directly relating to the Wikimedia projects, *would you like
to discuss at Wikimania*? Would you like to talk about 'Original Research
on Wikipedia'? Or maybe you would like to discussion about the perceived
hostility of the Wikimedia Commons community? Perhaps the way notability is
handled in different languages is more to your taste? Or mentoring
programs?

If you're interested, please do two things:
1) sign up as interested on the session page

(updates will be posted there too)
2) tell us the topics that would make you participate the discussion!

Finally, I am also looking for a little help in the organization - I need
one or two people to help with facilitation (if you know someone good, just
email me offlist), and it would be awesome if we could have one or two
people each session who can help with taking notes effectively - so that we
can summarize some discussion outcomes.

Thanks for your help!

Best,

Lodewijk / effeietsanders
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross

[Fæ]

On 06/07/2014, Lilburne  wrote:
> Not so Andy. Over on Commons last year someone had taken a photo of a
> woman and a horse from flickr cropped it and tagged it as Bestiality. As
> per usual the Commons porn patrol fought like cornered rats to keep it.
...

I'd like to see who are the members of the Commons porn patrol and if
they are still active. Can someone provide a link, or is it an
anti-Commons myth?

Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross

[Andy Mabbett]

Thank you for confirming what I  said.
On Jul 6, 2014 10:17 PM, "Lilburne"  wrote:

> On 04/07/2014 09:37, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>
>> On Jul 4, 2014 7:55 AM, "Frédéric Schütz"  wrote:
>>
>>  Their main worry seems to be "how do we make sure that people do not use
>>> the pictures in a way we're not happy with"
>>>
>> That question qualifies as "frequently asked"; my usual answer is to the
>> effect that "You cannot - but anyone who is going to use them maliciously
>> is not going to worry about niceties like copyright. The people whose
>> activities you limit by applying a restrictive license are the good guys -
>> and yourselves."
>>
>
> Not so Andy. Over on Commons last year someone had taken a photo of a
> woman and a horse from flickr cropped it and tagged it as Bestiality. As
> per usual the Commons porn patrol fought like cornered rats to keep it. Why
> should people have to go through that? Yeah the bad guys won't give a fig
> about the license, but the web host most certainly will. When they were
> taking photos of little kids from flickr accounts to post on Orkut and play
> age related sex games, it wasn't the complaints of the parents to the
> uploaders that got it stopped (haha luser you can't do nothing), nor
> complaints to Google (send us your 6 yo kid's drivers license), it was the
> DMCA takedowns that brought an end to it.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/02/google_orkut_dmca/
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross

[Lilburne]

On 04/07/2014 09:37, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On Jul 4, 2014 7:55 AM, "Frédéric Schütz"  wrote:


Their main worry seems to be "how do we make sure that people do not use
the pictures in a way we're not happy with"

That question qualifies as "frequently asked"; my usual answer is to the
effect that "You cannot - but anyone who is going to use them maliciously
is not going to worry about niceties like copyright. The people whose
activities you limit by applying a restrictive license are the good guys -
and yourselves."


Not so Andy. Over on Commons last year someone had taken a photo of a 
woman and a horse from flickr cropped it and tagged it as Bestiality. As 
per usual the Commons porn patrol fought like cornered rats to keep it. 
Why should people have to go through that? Yeah the bad guys won't give 
a fig about the license, but the web host most certainly will. When they 
were taking photos of little kids from flickr accounts to post on Orkut 
and play age related sex games, it wasn't the complaints of the parents 
to the uploaders that got it stopped (haha luser you can't do nothing), 
nor complaints to Google (send us your 6 yo kid's drivers license), it 
was the DMCA takedowns that brought an end to it.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/02/google_orkut_dmca/



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