Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Many new features (e.g., the improved search backend) are deployed fairly regularly without fanfare or objection. Indeed, change-aversion tends to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Risker
While I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, Todd, there were 14,681 users on English Wikipedia alone who had enabled MediaViewer using the Beta Features preference before it became the default. That's a huge number of people who were all using it every time they clicked on an image in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Todd Allen
Risker, I'm actually not going to disagree with you in principle. I ultimately see Media Viewer being used by a good number of users, and said as much from the start. But I also warned that a bulldozer approach was going to cause massive blowback, especially after the previous debacles (VE and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Risker
There's a easy, clearly accessible, one-click option for disabling MediaViewer, Todd. Scroll to the bottom of the screen. Click disable. Done - it automatically changes your preference. Risker/Anne On 11 July 2014 02:44, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Risker, I'm actually not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:02 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Or .. sometimes the licensing and attribution information isnt correct In the common case, Media Viewer provides more prominent and appropriate attribution and license information than the File: page. The author

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2014-15 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2014-07-11 Thread Pine W
Pete, I am looking more at process than outcomes. Asaf, perhaps I was unclear in my statement, so I will try again. 1. I do not expect WMF and grantmaking committees to agree all of the time. What I hope for is that WMF will not override a committee vote if a committee develops consensus against

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Pine W
Just a note that I am drafting a request to the Board about governance of WMF product launches. Similar problems have happened enough times that I think the Board needs to step in with a more active role. I am also taking a look at the policies around office actions as they relate to product

[Wikimedia-l] Thank you Mobile team

2014-07-11 Thread Pine W
While we're talking about technology issues on WIkimedia-l, I'd like to say that now that I've worked my way over a few speedbumps with mobile editing I'm happy with the direction that mobile editing is going, so thank you Mobile team. Pine ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Deprecating print-on-demand functionality

2014-07-11 Thread Lodewijk
Thank you for the update, and thanks to Pediapress for the collaboration! I always liked to have the option, but indeed never was tempted enough to actually order something. Good to learn that the pdf function remains, that's great too! Lodewijk 2014-07-11 0:38 GMT+02:00 Thomas Gries

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you Mobile team

2014-07-11 Thread Pierre-Selim
2014-07-11 10:06 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com: While we're talking about technology issues on WIkimedia-l, I'd like to say that now that I've worked my way over a few speedbumps with mobile editing I'm happy with the direction that mobile editing is going, so thank you Mobile team.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Jeevan Jose
I agree with Erik here. Media Viewer may have some bugs that need to be fixed. But there are plenty of issues in other places too (like license tags). They also need to improved. See this ongoing discussion. [1] See my comment on RfC on Commons. [2] Jee Links: 1.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
Sue, You have gotten your logic exactly backwards here. Of course David is right -- we should all have some humility about things that we don't, and can't, know. But the people who express certainty about what readers need -- the people who assert that those needs are paramount, and trump the

[Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

2014-07-11 Thread
Hi, I would like to propose that this list have a published process for post moderation, banning and appeals. Perhaps a page on meta would be a good way to propose and discuss a policy? I would be happy to kick off a draft. This list has a defined scope at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you Mobile team

2014-07-11 Thread Àlex Hinojo
+1 I've been doing wiki workshops for Amical during last couple of years and since 6 months ago or so I ONLY train newbies with the visual editor. My role on the workshop now is reduced to explain how extra features are done. So kudos to the mobile team. And I know is not perfect. Is just wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Todd Allen
There is now. There wasn't originally, or if there was, it didn't show up for me. That was one of the main initial problems, and that's pretty basic stuff. I already figured out how to get rid of it, but it took a good deal of digging at the time to even find out that I could. So, yes, it's good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
'On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 11:02 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Or .. sometimes the licensing and attribution information isnt correct In the common case, Media Viewer provides more prominent and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Deprecating print-on-demand functionality

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: so the Book Creator will still be active, maybe under another name, maybe with another engine, but still active? Same name and functionality, just the Order a printed book feature will disappear. Erik -- Erik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread
On 10/07/2014, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Will WMF deactivate MediaViewer on English Wikipedia No. Detailed explanation:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 4:21 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_presidential_election,_2014 http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Indonesian_presidential_election,_2014 The photo of Prabowo in MV has a caption of 'Prabowo wapres' This happens to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 July 2014 00:40, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: change-aversion tends to correlate pretty strongly with impact on existing workflows and noticeable changes to user experience and behavior. It's interesting to read that claim in the content of my aversion to the unexpected

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: That doesn't, however, help the concern that millions of users are pulling up the images without immediately seeing the license requirements and author information. To the contrary, Media Viewer displays the license,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

2014-07-11 Thread Trillium Corsage
Hi Fae, I was banned from the list by Austin Hair. I had contributed in my view a lot of good and polite stuff that was reasonably reasoned, but he banned me on the basis of a 17-word parenthetical phrase regarding arbitrator Timotheus Canens. I said that I had read it claimed that he was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

2014-07-11 Thread Risker
Actually, Trillium Corsage, I'd say that's a reason for banning you again. It's a very serious allegation you're implying about a longstanding member of our community. Risker On 11 July 2014 14:24, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com wrote: Hi Fae, I was banned from the list by Austin

[Wikimedia-l] Board decision on FDC member appointments

2014-07-11 Thread Patricio Lorente
Dear friends: We are pleased to inform you that the WMF Board of Trustees has come to a decision about which four candidates to appoint to the FDC. It wasn't easy; as is evident from the nominations, the caliber of the candidates was very high. The resolution is now published in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decision on FDC member appointments

2014-07-11 Thread Cristian Consonni
Il 11/lug/2014 22:07 Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com ha scritto: Dear friends: We are pleased to inform you that the WMF Board of Trustees has come to a decision about which four candidates to appoint to the FDC. It wasn't easy; as is evident from the nominations, the caliber of

[Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: It's interesting to read that claim in the content of my aversion to the unexpected removal of the very useful 'nearby' feature from the Android app [1]. (...) [1] Promoted by the WMF at the time of its launch:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
The current mobile site and the current Android app reflect a major step backward in terms of attributing the authors of Wikipedia content. In February 2012, I initiated discussions that resulted in both the mobile site and the Android app clearly stating in the footer that the content was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

2014-07-11 Thread Richard Ames
I think it is very difficult to have hard 'rules'. The guidelines have been published and are referred to in the footer of each messages sent from this list. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines I have added a link to these to the list info page at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Maryana Pinchuk
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: The current mobile site and the current Android app reflect a major step backward in terms of attributing the authors of Wikipedia content. In February 2012, I initiated discussions that resulted in both the mobile

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: The current mobile site and the current Android app reflect a major step backward in terms of attributing the authors of Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
To your specific points: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org wrote: (like this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Babe_Ruth). Even once the reader gets there, how many clicks does it take to get to a contributor's User Page, where they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: To your specific points: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org wrote: (like this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Babe_Ruth). Even once the reader gets

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: To your specific points: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org wrote: (like this one:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 July 2014 22:34, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's a complete re-write in native code This technical nicety is of no interest to most users, whose app was updated. In determining the feature set, the team

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 July 2014 22:34, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: The new Android app isn't simply an upgrade of the last version, it's a complete re-write in native code This technical nicety is of no interest to most users, whose app was updated. In determining the feature set, the team

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Mexico. Report of Activities of June 2014

2014-07-11 Thread Carmen Alcázar
Dear community: Below you will find the report of activities of the month of June 2014 done by the volunteers of Wikimedia Mexico. Please don't hesitate to get in touch with us if you require extra information about this activities or only to make some suggestions. The report is also available

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Jeevan Jose
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: That doesn't, however, help the concern that millions of users are pulling up the images without immediately seeing the license requirements and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-11 Thread Pharos
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:58 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: That doesn't, however, help the concern that millions of users are pulling up the images without immediately seeing the license requirements and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

2014-07-11 Thread Russavia
For almost 2 years I was put under intense harassment on English Wikipedia by one the vilest groups that Wikipedia has seen--the EEML,[1] and one of the accusations that was often levelled against me is that I was an agent of the Russian government. And for 2 years the Community stood by and did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2014-07-11 Thread Tilman Bayer
Minutes and slides from Wednesday's quarterly review of the Foundation's Wikipedia Zero (Mobile Partnerships) team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Wikipedia_Zero/July_2014 . On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Erik Moeller