[Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Pine W
Hi community members, I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing our own strategic plan that would be independent of WMF. In the past few days I've heard some defense of WMF but mainly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-14 Thread Risker
It's time to face reality here: The WMF didn't screw up this RFC, we the English Wikipedia community did. When we have RFCs that are of interest to a broad portion of the community and will have an impact on the entire community, we do certain things. We advertise it on the watchlist. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Richard Ames
On 14/07/14 17:25, Pine W wrote: Hi community members, snip Topics of possible discussion regarding our relationship with WMF: 1. Strategic options, such as finding alternative organizations to WMF for hosting Wikimedia sites or creating a new hosting organization that is aligned with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

2014-07-14 Thread Richard Ames
Fæ an Theo have made some good points please have a look at the talk page of the guidelines and suggest what may be moved to the guidelines themselves or BB possible more discussion needed. Richard. On 13/07/14 00:16, Theo10011 wrote: On Sat, Jul 12, 2014, Richard Ames

[Wikimedia-l] WMF's volunteers

2014-07-14 Thread Richard Ames
Since the brouhaha of May 2013 I've been thinking the relationship between the foundation and it's volunteers. I have assembled some references and thoughts at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ariconte/Volunteer_Management I would welcome edits and/or talk page contributions.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Anders Wennersten
I am interested in community strategy but have very different topics in mind *how should we handle the 50-100 projects that today in practice are dead. They are open for anyone (besides vandals that already infest these) to hi-jack *how should we handle the 5-10 projects that are already

[Wikimedia-l] [tangential] What happens when digital cities are abandoned?

2014-07-14 Thread David Gerard
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/what-happens-when-digital-cities-are-abandoned/373941/ Article on what once-thriving Internet communities feel like. Includes Jason Scott of the Archive Team. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] What happens when digital cities are abandoned?

2014-07-14 Thread David Gerard
And a more newsy piece on the same topic: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/where-online-services-go-when-they-die/374099/ On 14 July 2014 12:00, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Jane Darnell
I am interested in community strategy to tackle such things as 1) exposing missing, confusing, or outdated local policies by using policy comparisons cross-wiki 2) handling multi-language issues such as highlighting article-for-deletion discussions for each language in which the article exists,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-14 Thread Andrew Gray
I'd agree with Risker more or less wholeheartedly - communication is a multilateral thing not a unilateral thing, and I think we dropped the ball on handling this discussion properly. This certainly isn't new - holding a large-scale community discussion is *hard* and both the community and WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Balázs Viczián
Bear in mind WikiPedia =/= WikiMedia. Imo all of the below and about 70-80% of the topics previously brough up in this thread can be solved/actioned/discussed/amended/etc by the community solely through Village Pump (or other relevant forums) without a single person involved (ever) from WMF or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread
On 14/07/2014, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Balazs, It's interesting that you feel that way, because I disagree entirely. Out of curiosity, have you ever met another Wikipedian in real life, and do you feel that meet-ups are beneficial to the movement? Jane Jane, Without a single

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Subject for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015: CoSyne

2014-07-14 Thread Frans Grijzenhout
Hi Romaine, this is to remind you that the CoSyne project was a research project, sponsored by the EU and conducted by different partners. The research has been concluded and the results have been reported early 2013..The technical infrastructure has sinds then been dismantled, so it will not be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decision on FDC member appointments

2014-07-14 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala
Hi, On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends: We are pleased to inform you that the WMF Board of Trustees has come to a decision about which four candidates to appoint to the FDC. It wasn't easy; as is evident from the nominations,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-14 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gryllida, As I said on the Arbcom case page, RfCs result in changes to Wikipedia on a regular basis despite having a small numbers of participants in each RfC, and current English Wikipedia policy does not require a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Balázs Viczián, 14/07/2014 13:53: Imo all of the below and about 70-80% of the topics previously brough up in this thread can be solved/actioned/discussed/amended/etc by the community So you're confirming that they're on topic for the proposal :) which was «Perhaps it's time that we in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-14 Thread Gryllida
Pine, please read what risker said in this thread. It is not about proper paperwork, it is about choosing who to reach and what to communicate to them. Communicate with multimedia team about getting an objective picture and doing the statistics right. This is a broad interesting topic that,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi community members, I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing our own strategic plan that would be independent of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-14 Thread Michael Snow
On 7/14/2014 4:43 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: I've been doing some thinking about this over the past year or so, bubbling away in the back of my mind, after a talk at last Wikimania - would there be any interest/usefulness if I sat down and tried to dump it into a how to run a large project RFC, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-14 Thread Risker
On 14 July 2014 09:55, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: On 7/14/2014 4:43 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: I've been doing some thinking about this over the past year or so, bubbling away in the back of my mind, after a talk at last Wikimania - would there be any interest/usefulness if I sat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Gryllida
Pine, We need more of - decentralized development so that people can write new gadgets and extensions easier like firefox jetpack for example.. Each project needs its own editing and feedback tools that it would happily design on wiki in collaborative fashion - means to encourage more content

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Chris Keating
I expect this would be an interesting meeting if people are interested in participating, and I hope that we would brainstorm some ideas about how we want to move forward on all of these questions and others if we have time. Hi Pine, I think it would be much more productive to think about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi community members, I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing our own strategic plan that would be independent of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Subject for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015: CoSyne

2014-07-14 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi, WMHU would be interested in *hosting *a Hackathon in Hungary (anywhere) but we would need a couple of international volunteers to help filling the core of event (finding topics and speakers or building up the content in general). In exchange, the rest (from side events to the smallest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-14 Thread Quim Gil
On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: What can we, as volunteers, do when we believe staff have gone too far (besides create drama on a mailing list)? It depends on the area and the problem, but there are enough WMF employees with public exposure and community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Jane Darnell
Well maybe all of you are independently wealthy, have laptop and and will travel, but as I see it, for the rest of us, without travel budget facilitated by WMF and chapters, I don't see how we can achieve meetups to do any brainstorming at all. And poring over lists of ideas tucked away in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Bohdan Melnychuk
I'm too lazy to read all above and below but I think we might try. Wikicommunities blackouted wikis protest to some political laws in some countries which is beyond not-a-soapbox pillar but they can't stand WMF's pressure. Should be vice versa IMHO. --Base 14.07.2014 10:25, Pine W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decision on FDC member appointments

2014-07-14 Thread Anasuya Sengupta
Adding my voice of appreciation to the outgoing members - Anders, Arjuna, Mike and Yuri - for the extraordinary commitment and energy it took to get this inaugural FDC off the ground, and functioning as well as it has been. The Advisory Group's unanimous endorsement of the FDC is no little measure

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] What happens when digital cities are abandoned?

2014-07-14 Thread geni
On 14 July 2014 12:00, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/what-happens-when-digital-cities-are-abandoned/373941/ Article on what once-thriving Internet communities feel like. Includes Jason Scott of the Archive Team. Digital history

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF's volunteers

2014-07-14 Thread Alex Monk
This is very weird. Remember that we are a (multi-lingual, cough cough) community with a Foundation - not the other way around. There's no need for this kind of weird organisation of volunteering related to Wikimedia. What was the purpose of this page? Alex Monk (in my capacity as a volunteer,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread
On 14/07/2014, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Well maybe all of you are independently wealthy, have laptop and and will travel, but as I see it, for the rest of us, without travel budget facilitated by WMF and chapters, I don't see how we can achieve meetups to do any brainstorming at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New website for the New England Wikimedians user group

2014-07-14 Thread Alex Wang
Great to see the website and read about upcoming events! On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Great photo - hope to see lots of you in London at Wikimania. On 14 July 2014 05:32, Kevin Rutherford ktr...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Fellow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Deprecating print-on-demand functionality

2014-07-14 Thread phoebe ayers
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: so the Book Creator will still be active, maybe under another name, maybe with another engine, but still active? Same name and