[Wikimedia-l] Invitation: Research Hackathon on August 6 and 7

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
The Wikimedia Research Hackathon on August 6 and 7 takes place parallel to
the general Wikimania Hackathon in London.

Wikimania Hackathon information is available at
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon

Research Hackathon information is available at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Labs2/Hackathons/August_6-7th,_2014

From the Research Hackathon info page: this is an opportunity for anyone
interested in research on wikis, Wikipedia, and other open collaborations
to meet, share ideas, and work together. It's being organized by
researchers in academia and the Wikimedia Foundation, but we want anyone
interested in research to participate. Whether or not you consider yourself
a researcher, or would ever want to be one, come with questions, answers,
data, code, crazy ideas... or just your insatiable curiosity.

Local participation will occur at Wikimania London and in Philadelphia, PA,
US. Remote participation is possible and will include researchers and
community members globally.

Please see the Research Hackathon information page for scheduling and
sign-up details.

Further questions may be directed to Aaron Halfaker (ahalfa...@wikimedia.org)
or Leila Zia (le...@wikimedia.org).*

Pine

*A $1 fine will be imposed by Oliver Keyes on anyone who misspells Leila's
name or misdirects emails to the WMF Executive Director.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Egypt Wikimedians User Group

2014-07-30 Thread Nurunnaby Chowdhury
Congratulation  welcome.

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On Tuesday, July 29, 2014, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in
wrote:

 Congrats all.
 Welcome Egypt.
 :)
 On Jul 29, 2014 9:59 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com javascript:;
 wrote:

  Welcome Egypt!
 
 
  2014-07-29 11:21 GMT-05:00 Rodrigo Padula rodrigopad...@gmail.com
 javascript:;:
 
   Congratulations to all members of the new user group!
  
   Best regards!
  
   Rodrigo Padula
   Brazil
  
  
   2014-07-28 16:25 GMT-03:00 Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
 javascript:;:
  
Dear all,
   
It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
 resolved
[1] recognizing the Egypt Wikimedians User Group as a Wikimedia User
   Group;
their main focus areas are supporting the Wikimedia projects in Egypt
  as
well as their fellow Egyptian Wikimedians, and becoming eventually
 the
recognized chapter in the land of the Pharaohs and the Nile.  Let's
   welcome
the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the second one
 from
   the
Arab World!
   
   
Regards,
Carlos
   
1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
Resolutions/Egypt_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_July_2014
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[Wikimedia-l] Translation tool's problem

2014-07-30 Thread Ilario Valdelli
May someone help me?

I am translating this page in Italian:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start

The translation tool says that the page is translated 100% but I don't see
all paragraphs when translating, so the page is a mix of English and
Italian because the tool miss some of them.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start/it

Do I miss something?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Translation tool's problem

2014-07-30 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Not all parts of the page were prepared for translation. For example, the
Increasing the quantity, quality, diversity, and reach of free knowledge
part is in the {{Grants:Start/Header}} template, which isn't translated.


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2014-07-30 15:02 GMT+03:00 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com:

 May someone help me?

 I am translating this page in Italian:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start

 The translation tool says that the page is translated 100% but I don't see
 all paragraphs when translating, so the page is a mix of English and
 Italian because the tool miss some of them.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start/it

 Do I miss something?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Translation tool's problem

2014-07-30 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes, exactly.

I have found another entry points instead of this:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translategroup=page-Grants%3AStartaction=pagefilter=language=it


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Amir E. Aharoni 
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 Not all parts of the page were prepared for translation. For example, the
 Increasing the quantity, quality, diversity, and reach of free knowledge
 part is in the {{Grants:Start/Header}} template, which isn't translated.


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 2014-07-30 15:02 GMT+03:00 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com:

  May someone help me?
 
  I am translating this page in Italian:
 
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start
 
  The translation tool says that the page is translated 100% but I don't
 see
  all paragraphs when translating, so the page is a mix of English and
  Italian because the tool miss some of them.
 
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start/it
 
  Do I miss something?
 
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  Wikimedia CH
  Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
  Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
  Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
  Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
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  Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Egypt Wikimedians User Group

2014-07-30 Thread Subhashish Panigrahi
Congratulations everyone!

Best!
Subha

 On 30-Jul-2014, at 1:58 pm, Nurunnaby Chowdhury n...@nhasive.com wrote:
 
 Congratulation  welcome.
 
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 Administrator, Bengali Wikipedia
 Member, IEG, WMF
 
 On Tuesday, July 29, 2014, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in
 wrote:
 
 Congrats all.
 Welcome Egypt.
 :)
 On Jul 29, 2014 9:59 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com javascript:;
 wrote:
 
 Welcome Egypt!
 
 
 2014-07-29 11:21 GMT-05:00 Rodrigo Padula rodrigopad...@gmail.com
 javascript:;:
 
 Congratulations to all members of the new user group!
 
 Best regards!
 
 Rodrigo Padula
 Brazil
 
 
 2014-07-28 16:25 GMT-03:00 Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
 javascript:;:
 
 Dear all,
 
 It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
 resolved
 [1] recognizing the Egypt Wikimedians User Group as a Wikimedia User
 Group;
 their main focus areas are supporting the Wikimedia projects in Egypt
 as
 well as their fellow Egyptian Wikimedians, and becoming eventually
 the
 recognized chapter in the land of the Pharaohs and the Nile.  Let's
 welcome
 the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the second one
 from
 the
 Arab World!
 
 
 Regards,
 Carlos
 
 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
 Resolutions/Egypt_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_July_2014
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 junain.
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Carlos M. Colina

Dear all,

It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved 
[1] recognizing the Wikimedia User Group China as a Wikimedia User 
Group; their main focus areas are getting more chinese people know and 
use Wikipedia, encouraging people to become contributors to the 
different Wikimedia projects, and maintain the community healthy and 
growing.  Let's welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates 
-and the fourth from the Sinosphere!



Regards,
Carlos

1: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedia_User_Group_China_-_July_2014

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Tonmoy Khan
That's a great news! Congratulations to WM User Group China.

Cheers

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Treasurer, Wikimedia Bangladesh
On Jul 30, 2014 10:18 PM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve wrote:

 Dear all,

 It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved
 [1] recognizing the Wikimedia User Group China as a Wikimedia User Group;
 their main focus areas are getting more chinese people know and use
 Wikipedia, encouraging people to become contributors to the different
 Wikimedia projects, and maintain the community healthy and growing.  Let's
 welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the fourth from
 the Sinosphere!


 Regards,
 Carlos

 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
 Resolutions/Wikimedia_User_Group_China_-_July_2014
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Alex Wang
Very excited about this! Congrats!


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's a great news! Congratulations to WM User Group China.

 Cheers

 Ali Haidar Khan
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 On Jul 30, 2014 10:18 PM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
 wrote:

  Dear all,
 
  It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved
  [1] recognizing the Wikimedia User Group China as a Wikimedia User Group;
  their main focus areas are getting more chinese people know and use
  Wikipedia, encouraging people to become contributors to the different
  Wikimedia projects, and maintain the community healthy and growing.
  Let's
  welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the fourth
 from
  the Sinosphere!
 
 
  Regards,
  Carlos
 
  1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
  Resolutions/Wikimedia_User_Group_China_-_July_2014
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Nasir Khan
Great news, congrats to everyone who were involved in this success.

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On Jul 30, 2014 11:16 PM, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's a great news! Congratulations to WM User Group China.

 Cheers

 Ali Haidar Khan
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 Treasurer, Wikimedia Bangladesh
 On Jul 30, 2014 10:18 PM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
 wrote:

  Dear all,
 
  It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved
  [1] recognizing the Wikimedia User Group China as a Wikimedia User Group;
  their main focus areas are getting more chinese people know and use
  Wikipedia, encouraging people to become contributors to the different
  Wikimedia projects, and maintain the community healthy and growing.
  Let's
  welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the fourth
 from
  the Sinosphere!
 
 
  Regards,
  Carlos
 
  1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
  Resolutions/Wikimedia_User_Group_China_-_July_2014
  --
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  Carlos M. Colina
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Stevie Benton
Well done to our friends in China!


On 30 July 2014 18:21, Nasir Khan nasir8...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great news, congrats to everyone who were involved in this success.

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 On Jul 30, 2014 11:16 PM, Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com wrote:

  That's a great news! Congratulations to WM User Group China.
 
  Cheers
 
  Ali Haidar Khan
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   It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved
   [1] recognizing the Wikimedia User Group China as a Wikimedia User
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   Let's
   welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the fourth
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   Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Ted Chien
Congratulations to user group in China! You have my best wishes!! ;)

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2014/7/31 上午12:18 於 Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve ��道:

 Dear all,

 It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved
 [1] recognizing the Wikimedia User Group China as a Wikimedia User Group;
 their main focus areas are getting more chinese people know and use
 Wikipedia, encouraging people to become contributors to the different
 Wikimedia projects, and maintain the community healthy and growing.  Let's
 welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the fourth from
 the Sinosphere!


 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Enock Seth Nyamador
Congrats China.

Best,
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On Jul 30, 2014 5:38 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congratulations to user group in China! You have my best wishes!! ;)

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  Dear all,
 
  It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved
  [1] recognizing the Wikimedia User Group China as a Wikimedia User Group;
  their main focus areas are getting more chinese people know and use
  Wikipedia, encouraging people to become contributors to the different
  Wikimedia projects, and maintain the community healthy and growing.
  Let's
  welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the fourth
 from
  the Sinosphere!
 
 
  Regards,
  Carlos
 
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  Resolutions/Wikimedia_User_Group_China_-_July_2014
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Patricio Lorente
Congrats to our friends in China! Well done!

 Patricio


2014-07-30 15:04 GMT-03:00 Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com:

 Congrats China.

 Best,
 - Enock
 On Jul 30, 2014 5:38 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

  Congratulations to user group in China! You have my best wishes!! ;)
 
  Regards,
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  2014/7/31 上午12:18 於 Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve 寫道:
 
   Dear all,
  
   It is an honor to announce that the Affiliations Committee has resolved
   [1] recognizing the Wikimedia User Group China as a Wikimedia User
 Group;
   their main focus areas are getting more chinese people know and use
   Wikipedia, encouraging people to become contributors to the different
   Wikimedia projects, and maintain the community healthy and growing.
   Let's
   welcome the newest member of the family of affiliates -and the fourth
  from
   the Sinosphere!
  
  
   Regards,
   Carlos
  
   1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
   Resolutions/Wikimedia_User_Group_China_-_July_2014
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Egypt Wikimedians User Group

2014-07-30 Thread Patricio Lorente
Congrats Wikimedians from Egypt!

Patricio


2014-07-30 9:48 GMT-03:00 Subhashish Panigrahi subhash...@cis-india.org:

 Congratulations everyone!

 Best!
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  Congratulation  welcome.
 
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  Congrats all.
  Welcome Egypt.
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  Welcome Egypt!
 
 
  2014-07-29 11:21 GMT-05:00 Rodrigo Padula rodrigopad...@gmail.com
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  Congratulations to all members of the new user group!
 
  Best regards!
 
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  2014-07-28 16:25 GMT-03:00 Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
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  Dear all,
 
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[Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there are
several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that an IRS
requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK with
the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
contributions.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there are
 several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that an IRS
 requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK with
 the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
 contributions.

 Thanks,
 Pine


The relevant blog post, for context:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/30/wikimedia-foundation-now-accepts-bitcoin/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi Pine,

The IRS link includes the note that:

A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information
reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in property.

- no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the IRS
treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than currency,
it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting
requirements.

Andrew.

On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there are
 several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that an IRS
 requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK with
 the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
 contributions.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors AFAIK.
Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules like real
estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of food for a
food bank don't require identification info.
Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

 Hi Pine,

 The IRS link includes the note that:

 A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information
 reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in property.

 - no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the IRS
 treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than currency,
 it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting
 requirements.

 Andrew.

 On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there are
  several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that an
 IRS
  requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK with
  the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
  contributions.
 
  Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Lisa Gruwell
As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for the
information was the safest approach and best enables to comply with U.S.
laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are required to
send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a certain
amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin over that
threshold.


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors AFAIK.
 Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules like real
 estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of food for a
 food bank don't require identification info.
 Pine
 On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:

  Hi Pine,
 
  The IRS link includes the note that:
 
  A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information
  reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in property.
 
  - no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the IRS
  treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than currency,
  it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting
  requirements.
 
  Andrew.
 
  On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
   There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there
 are
   several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that an
  IRS
   requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK
 with
   the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
   contributions.
  
   Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
Hi Lisa,

Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are required to
offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines, right?
Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the receipt.
You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever the
threshold is for reporting the donor's info to the IRS, right?

Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 2:06 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for the
 information was the safest approach and best enables to comply with U.S.
 laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are required to
 send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a certain
 amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin over that
 threshold.


 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

  Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors AFAIK.
  Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules like real
  estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of food for
 a
  food bank don't require identification info.
  Pine
  On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
 wrote:
 
   Hi Pine,
  
   The IRS link includes the note that:
  
   A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information
   reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in property.
  
   - no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the IRS
   treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than currency,
   it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting
   requirements.
  
   Andrew.
  
   On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but there
  are
several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that
 an
   IRS
requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK
  with
the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
contributions.
   
Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia User Group China

2014-07-30 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-07-30 19:16 GMT+02:00 Tonmoy Khan tonmoy...@gmail.com:
 That's a great news! Congratulations to WM User Group China.

Wow! Great news!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pete Forsyth
Pine, I think Lisa already answered your question -- it's complicated. It's
possible (based on my limited knowledge, anyway) that what you suggest is
possible; but she never said it was impossible. She said it was the safest
approach, given a complicated scenario. This is her professional expertise,
so we have to assume a basic level of competence to make those judgment
calls.

Don't we?
Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Lisa,

 Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are required to
 offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines, right?
 Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the receipt.
 You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever the
 threshold is for reporting the donor's info to the IRS, right?

 Pine
 On Jul 30, 2014 2:06 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for the
  information was the safest approach and best enables to comply with U.S.
  laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are required to
  send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a certain
  amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin over that
  threshold.
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors AFAIK.
   Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules like real
   estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of food
 for
  a
   food bank don't require identification info.
   Pine
   On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
  wrote:
  
Hi Pine,
   
The IRS link includes the note that:
   
A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information
reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in property.
   
- no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the IRS
treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than currency,
it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting
requirements.
   
Andrew.
   
On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but
 there
   are
 several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is that
  an
IRS
 requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry. AFAIK
   with
 the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
 contributions.

 Thanks,
 Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
In the crowdsourced world, I like to think that we evaluate ideas and
programs based on their merits rather than who makes a decision. I grant
that some heirarchy is good and necessary, and in this case the heirarchy
made a reasoned decision to include Bitcoin in the donation options, and
did so in a way that makes a lot of sense except that one of the primary
attractions of Bitcoin, privacy, seems to have not been a priority. I'm
asking about how this can be addressed. It's possible that WMF can't offer
to accept anonymous bitcoin donations at all, but as an optimist I like to
think that it can, and my experience with other nonprofits is that
anonymous donations are possible.

Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 2:26 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pine, I think Lisa already answered your question -- it's complicated. It's
 possible (based on my limited knowledge, anyway) that what you suggest is
 possible; but she never said it was impossible. She said it was the safest
 approach, given a complicated scenario. This is her professional expertise,
 so we have to assume a basic level of competence to make those judgment
 calls.

 Don't we?
 Pete
 [[User:Peteforsyth]]


 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Lisa,
 
  Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are required
 to
  offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines, right?
  Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the receipt.
  You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever the
  threshold is for reporting the donor's info to the IRS, right?
 
  Pine
  On Jul 30, 2014 2:06 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
   As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for the
   information was the safest approach and best enables to comply with
 U.S.
   laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are required
 to
   send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a certain
   amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin over
 that
   threshold.
  
  
   On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors AFAIK.
Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules like
 real
estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of food
  for
   a
food bank don't require identification info.
Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
   wrote:
   
 Hi Pine,

 The IRS link includes the note that:

 A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information
 reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in
 property.

 - no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the IRS
 treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than
 currency,
 it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting
 requirements.

 Andrew.

 On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but
  there
are
  several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is
 that
   an
 IRS
  requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry.
 AFAIK
with
  the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
  contributions.
 
  Thanks,
  Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pete Forsyth
Sure -- I think it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask, and reasonable
discussion to have. It just appeared to me that you were expecting a
detailed explanation from the chief revenue officer, which didn't seem like
a reasonable expectation. Maybe I was wrong though. If others want to use
this list to debate the finer points of US tax law and effective privacy
practices for donations, I won't be the one standing in the way :)

Pete


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 In the crowdsourced world, I like to think that we evaluate ideas and
 programs based on their merits rather than who makes a decision. I grant
 that some heirarchy is good and necessary, and in this case the heirarchy
 made a reasoned decision to include Bitcoin in the donation options, and
 did so in a way that makes a lot of sense except that one of the primary
 attractions of Bitcoin, privacy, seems to have not been a priority. I'm
 asking about how this can be addressed. It's possible that WMF can't offer
 to accept anonymous bitcoin donations at all, but as an optimist I like to
 think that it can, and my experience with other nonprofits is that
 anonymous donations are possible.

 Pine
 On Jul 30, 2014 2:26 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

  Pine, I think Lisa already answered your question -- it's complicated.
 It's
  possible (based on my limited knowledge, anyway) that what you suggest is
  possible; but she never said it was impossible. She said it was the
 safest
  approach, given a complicated scenario. This is her professional
 expertise,
  so we have to assume a basic level of competence to make those judgment
  calls.
 
  Don't we?
  Pete
  [[User:Peteforsyth]]
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi Lisa,
  
   Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are
 required
  to
   offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines, right?
   Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the
 receipt.
   You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever the
   threshold is for reporting the donor's info to the IRS, right?
  
   Pine
   On Jul 30, 2014 2:06 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
  
As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for the
information was the safest approach and best enables to comply with
  U.S.
laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are
 required
  to
send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a
 certain
amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin over
  that
threshold.
   
   
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors
 AFAIK.
 Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules like
  real
 estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of
 food
   for
a
 food bank don't require identification info.
 Pine
 On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
wrote:

  Hi Pine,
 
  The IRS link includes the note that:
 
  A payment made using virtual currency is subject to information
  reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in
  property.
 
  - no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the
 IRS
  treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than
  currency,
  it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting
  requirements.
 
  Andrew.
 
  On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
   There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted but
   there
 are
   several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info. Is
  that
an
  IRS
   requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry.
  AFAIK
 with
   the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for small
   contributions.
  
   Thanks,
   Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
Heh. If this discussion gets too technical we can move it off-list. At the
moment if Fundraising just wants to say we'll work on this for future
improvenents to the Bitcoin donation system and posting that statement in
the blog entry and the donation screen would be ok IMO.

I am rarely satisfied with it's complicated as an answer to anything. (:

Pine
 On Jul 30, 2014 2:47 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sure -- I think it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask, and reasonable
 discussion to have. It just appeared to me that you were expecting a
 detailed explanation from the chief revenue officer, which didn't seem like
 a reasonable expectation. Maybe I was wrong though. If others want to use
 this list to debate the finer points of US tax law and effective privacy
 practices for donations, I won't be the one standing in the way :)

 Pete


 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

  In the crowdsourced world, I like to think that we evaluate ideas and
  programs based on their merits rather than who makes a decision. I grant
  that some heirarchy is good and necessary, and in this case the heirarchy
  made a reasoned decision to include Bitcoin in the donation options, and
  did so in a way that makes a lot of sense except that one of the primary
  attractions of Bitcoin, privacy, seems to have not been a priority. I'm
  asking about how this can be addressed. It's possible that WMF can't
 offer
  to accept anonymous bitcoin donations at all, but as an optimist I like
 to
  think that it can, and my experience with other nonprofits is that
  anonymous donations are possible.
 
  Pine
  On Jul 30, 2014 2:26 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Pine, I think Lisa already answered your question -- it's complicated.
  It's
   possible (based on my limited knowledge, anyway) that what you suggest
 is
   possible; but she never said it was impossible. She said it was the
  safest
   approach, given a complicated scenario. This is her professional
  expertise,
   so we have to assume a basic level of competence to make those judgment
   calls.
  
   Don't we?
   Pete
   [[User:Peteforsyth]]
  
  
   On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Hi Lisa,
   
Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are
  required
   to
offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines,
 right?
Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the
  receipt.
You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever the
threshold is for reporting the donor's info to the IRS, right?
   
Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 2:06 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org
  wrote:
   
 As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for the
 information was the safest approach and best enables to comply with
   U.S.
 laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are
  required
   to
 send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a
  certain
 amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin
 over
   that
 threshold.


 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors
  AFAIK.
  Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules like
   real
  estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of
  food
for
 a
  food bank don't require identification info.
  Pine
  On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray 
 andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
 wrote:
 
   Hi Pine,
  
   The IRS link includes the note that:
  
   A payment made using virtual currency is subject to
 information
   reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in
   property.
  
   - no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because the
  IRS
   treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than
   currency,
   it triggers different - and presumably more complex - reporting
   requirements.
  
   Andrew.
  
   On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted
 but
there
  are
several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info.
 Is
   that
 an
   IRS
requirement? Might want to post the reason in the blog entry.
   AFAIK
  with
the nonprofits I donate to none require personal info for
 small
contributions.
   
Thanks,
Pine
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[Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor Office Hours for August and September

2014-07-30 Thread Rachel diCerbo
Hi there,

We've scheduled the August and September IRC office hours to discuss
VisualEditor, to be held on Thursday 14 August at 900 UTC and on Thursday
18 September at 1600  UTC, and we hope you'll join us. Please see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours for time conversions and
more information.

The logs will be posted on meta after the office hour. You'll find them
along with logs for older office hours on the topic, at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:VisualEditor_office_hours_logs

Thank you for participating in this product development process. By the
way, hello: I haven't spoken much just yet, but as the new Director of
Community Engagement in Product I'm looking forward to getting to know you
and others within this community.

Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Lisa Gruwell
Hi Pine-

The threshold is an aggregate limit in a calendar year.  If we were to
limit the donation amount to under $5000, a person could give several
donations that totaled over $5000 in a single year (which happens) and then
we would not be compliance.  Instead of trying to create a spike for every
scenario like this, we find it safest just to ask for the information.

Best,
Lisa


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Heh. If this discussion gets too technical we can move it off-list. At the
 moment if Fundraising just wants to say we'll work on this for future
 improvenents to the Bitcoin donation system and posting that statement in
 the blog entry and the donation screen would be ok IMO.

 I am rarely satisfied with it's complicated as an answer to anything. (:

 Pine
  On Jul 30, 2014 2:47 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

  Sure -- I think it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask, and
 reasonable
  discussion to have. It just appeared to me that you were expecting a
  detailed explanation from the chief revenue officer, which didn't seem
 like
  a reasonable expectation. Maybe I was wrong though. If others want to use
  this list to debate the finer points of US tax law and effective privacy
  practices for donations, I won't be the one standing in the way :)
 
  Pete
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   In the crowdsourced world, I like to think that we evaluate ideas and
   programs based on their merits rather than who makes a decision. I
 grant
   that some heirarchy is good and necessary, and in this case the
 heirarchy
   made a reasoned decision to include Bitcoin in the donation options,
 and
   did so in a way that makes a lot of sense except that one of the
 primary
   attractions of Bitcoin, privacy, seems to have not been a priority. I'm
   asking about how this can be addressed. It's possible that WMF can't
  offer
   to accept anonymous bitcoin donations at all, but as an optimist I like
  to
   think that it can, and my experience with other nonprofits is that
   anonymous donations are possible.
  
   Pine
   On Jul 30, 2014 2:26 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:
  
Pine, I think Lisa already answered your question -- it's
 complicated.
   It's
possible (based on my limited knowledge, anyway) that what you
 suggest
  is
possible; but she never said it was impossible. She said it was the
   safest
approach, given a complicated scenario. This is her professional
   expertise,
so we have to assume a basic level of competence to make those
 judgment
calls.
   
Don't we?
Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
   
   
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 Hi Lisa,

 Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are
   required
to
 offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines,
  right?
 Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the
   receipt.
 You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever
 the
 threshold is for reporting the donor's info to the IRS, right?

 Pine
 On Jul 30, 2014 2:06 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org
   wrote:

  As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for
 the
  information was the safest approach and best enables to comply
 with
U.S.
  laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are
   required
to
  send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a
   certain
  amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin
  over
that
  threshold.
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors
   AFAIK.
   Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules
 like
real
   estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of
   food
 for
  a
   food bank don't require identification info.
   Pine
   On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray 
  andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
  wrote:
  
Hi Pine,
   
The IRS link includes the note that:
   
A payment made using virtual currency is subject to
  information
reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in
property.
   
- no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because
 the
   IRS
treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than
currency,
it triggers different - and presumably more complex -
 reporting
requirements.
   
Andrew.
   
On 30 July 2014 20:20, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 There is a post on the blog saying that bitcoin is accepted
  but
 there
   are
 several questions about why WMF is asking for contact info.
  Is
that
 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Pine W
Hi Lisa,
Thank you for the explanation. Can you post that in the blog entry and on
the donation page? I understand how calculating annual limits might be more
trouble than it's worth from WMF's point of view.
Thanks,
Pine


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 Hi Pine-

 The threshold is an aggregate limit in a calendar year.  If we were to
 limit the donation amount to under $5000, a person could give several
 donations that totaled over $5000 in a single year (which happens) and then
 we would not be compliance.  Instead of trying to create a spike for every
 scenario like this, we find it safest just to ask for the information.

 Best,
 Lisa


 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

  Heh. If this discussion gets too technical we can move it off-list. At
 the
  moment if Fundraising just wants to say we'll work on this for future
  improvenents to the Bitcoin donation system and posting that statement
 in
  the blog entry and the donation screen would be ok IMO.
 
  I am rarely satisfied with it's complicated as an answer to anything.
 (:
 
  Pine
   On Jul 30, 2014 2:47 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Sure -- I think it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask, and
  reasonable
   discussion to have. It just appeared to me that you were expecting a
   detailed explanation from the chief revenue officer, which didn't seem
  like
   a reasonable expectation. Maybe I was wrong though. If others want to
 use
   this list to debate the finer points of US tax law and effective
 privacy
   practices for donations, I won't be the one standing in the way :)
  
   Pete
  
  
   On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  
In the crowdsourced world, I like to think that we evaluate ideas and
programs based on their merits rather than who makes a decision. I
  grant
that some heirarchy is good and necessary, and in this case the
  heirarchy
made a reasoned decision to include Bitcoin in the donation options,
  and
did so in a way that makes a lot of sense except that one of the
  primary
attractions of Bitcoin, privacy, seems to have not been a priority.
 I'm
asking about how this can be addressed. It's possible that WMF can't
   offer
to accept anonymous bitcoin donations at all, but as an optimist I
 like
   to
think that it can, and my experience with other nonprofits is that
anonymous donations are possible.
   
Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 2:26 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   
 Pine, I think Lisa already answered your question -- it's
  complicated.
It's
 possible (based on my limited knowledge, anyway) that what you
  suggest
   is
 possible; but she never said it was impossible. She said it was the
safest
 approach, given a complicated scenario. This is her professional
expertise,
 so we have to assume a basic level of competence to make those
  judgment
 calls.

 Don't we?
 Pete
 [[User:Peteforsyth]]


 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi Lisa,
 
  Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are
required
 to
  offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines,
   right?
  Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the
receipt.
  You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever
  the
  threshold is for reporting the donor's info to the IRS, right?
 
  Pine
  On Jul 30, 2014 2:06 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
 
   As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for
  the
   information was the safest approach and best enables to comply
  with
 U.S.
   laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are
required
 to
   send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a
certain
   amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin
   over
 that
   threshold.
  
  
   On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors
AFAIK.
Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules
  like
 real
estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can
 of
food
  for
   a
food bank don't require identification info.
Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray 
   andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
   wrote:
   
 Hi Pine,

 The IRS link includes the note that:

 A payment made using virtual currency is subject to
   information
 reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in
 property.

 - no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because
  the
IRS

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Egypt Wikimedians User Group

2014-07-30 Thread Samir Ibrahim
Thanks for your delicate words everyone and thanks a million to Carlos for his 
support.

I hope we can serve and support the Wiki community and the wiki movement 
everywhere, especially in Egypt.

Samir,
Member and co-founder of Egypt Wikimedians user group.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bitcoin now accepted, but there are privacy concerns

2014-07-30 Thread Mark

Hi Lisa,

I admit I am not an expert in U.S. tax law, so I could be entirely 
misinterpreting it. But my read of the IRS instructions are that donors 
who donate more than $5000 in one year must be reported, *except* that 
any single donation of less than $1000 may be discounted when 
calculating this total. This seems to be a provision to reduce 
compliance costs, so small donations don't have to be tracked when 
determining when a donor has donated more than $5000 in a year.


Does that mean Wikimedia could accept donations of less than $1000 
without asking for personal information?


Best,
Mark


On 7/31/14, 12:15 AM, Lisa Gruwell wrote:

Hi Pine-

The threshold is an aggregate limit in a calendar year.  If we were to
limit the donation amount to under $5000, a person could give several
donations that totaled over $5000 in a single year (which happens) and then
we would not be compliance.  Instead of trying to create a spike for every
scenario like this, we find it safest just to ask for the information.

Best,
Lisa


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:


Heh. If this discussion gets too technical we can move it off-list. At the
moment if Fundraising just wants to say we'll work on this for future
improvenents to the Bitcoin donation system and posting that statement in
the blog entry and the donation screen would be ok IMO.

I am rarely satisfied with it's complicated as an answer to anything. (:

Pine
  On Jul 30, 2014 2:47 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:


Sure -- I think it's a perfectly legitimate question to ask, and

reasonable

discussion to have. It just appeared to me that you were expecting a
detailed explanation from the chief revenue officer, which didn't seem

like

a reasonable expectation. Maybe I was wrong though. If others want to use
this list to debate the finer points of US tax law and effective privacy
practices for donations, I won't be the one standing in the way :)

Pete


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:


In the crowdsourced world, I like to think that we evaluate ideas and
programs based on their merits rather than who makes a decision. I

grant

that some heirarchy is good and necessary, and in this case the

heirarchy

made a reasoned decision to include Bitcoin in the donation options,

and

did so in a way that makes a lot of sense except that one of the

primary

attractions of Bitcoin, privacy, seems to have not been a priority. I'm
asking about how this can be addressed. It's possible that WMF can't

offer

to accept anonymous bitcoin donations at all, but as an optimist I like

to

think that it can, and my experience with other nonprofits is that
anonymous donations are possible.

Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 2:26 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:


Pine, I think Lisa already answered your question -- it's

complicated.

It's

possible (based on my limited knowledge, anyway) that what you

suggest

is

possible; but she never said it was impossible. She said it was the

safest

approach, given a complicated scenario. This is her professional

expertise,

so we have to assume a basic level of competence to make those

judgment

calls.

Don't we?
Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Lisa,

Hm, that is different from my understanding of the IRC. You are

required

to

offer a receipt, not to actually send one if the donor declines,

right?

Then you could have a checkbox to disable personal info and the

receipt.

You could also enable anonymous donations under $5000 or whatever

the

threshold is for reporting the donor's info to the IRS, right?

Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 2:06 PM, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org

wrote:

As Andrew said, it is complicated.  We decided that asking for

the

information was the safest approach and best enables to comply

with

U.S.

laws as well as laws in other countries.  For example, we are

required

to

send a receipt for tax purposes to U.S. donors who give over a

certain

amount and we have already today received gifts through bitcoin

over

that

threshold.


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com

wrote:

Nonprofits in the US are only required to report major donors

AFAIK.

Bitcoins aren't assets with more  complicated transfer rules

like

real

estate or stock shares. Simple property donations like a can of

food

for

a

food bank don't require identification info.
Pine
On Jul 30, 2014 1:01 PM, Andrew Gray 

andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk

wrote:

Hi Pine,

The IRS link includes the note that:

A payment made using virtual currency is subject to

information

reporting to the same extent as any other payment made in

property.

- no expert, but I suspect this is the explanation. Because

the

IRS

treat bitcoin as property (like, eg, shares) rather than

currency,

it triggers different - and presumably more complex -

reporting

requirements.

Andrew.

On 30 July 

[Wikimedia-l] Community Engagement Products

2014-07-30 Thread James Salsman
Rachel diCerbo wrote:

... as the new Director of Community Engagement in Product
 I'm looking forward to getting to know you and others within
 this community.

Welcome, Rachel! I am so glad they hired you to do [1].

which as I'm sure most people reading this know, is the engineering
effort with the most agile story points, or, as we used to say before
statisticians became data scientists, has the maximum utility function
for critical path goals, those being the only Foundation strategic
objectives which have not been satisfactorily met, namely attracting
additional editors. I have been trying to measure the ways Wikimedians
think we can best meet those goals, and my preliminary results are
promising but I wish your team would do the task because the last time
I tried something like this, the outcome was unsatisfactory. I will
gladly let you take my survey if you want to. Its is at [2]. The
evolution of the ranking of its components over time never fails to
amuse me, so please forgive me if it does not interest you.

If you step back and ask why attracting additional editors is
important, then if your logic is anything like mine, and I believe
correct logic is objective essentially for the same reason that 1+1
always equals 2, you will quickly come to the conclusion that [3]
needs to be done the most. So, trying to automate general accuracy
review is what was called truth maintenance around Boston in the
late 1980s, and there are still truth maintenance systems associated
with automatic theorem proving because of a functional isomorphism not
unlike the isomorphism between reading and pronunciation tutors, but I
digress. The point is that automating accuracy review is a lot more
like negotiation of requirements in the agile scrum methodology than
truth maintenance of even second order predicate calculus, because
humans are involved.[4]

Please let me know your thoughts on whether a survey or accuracy
review system would engage the community more. I believe that both
would go further towards meeting the previously unresolved goals of
the Foundation more than any other engineering effort undertaken so
far to improve community engagement.

Best regards,
James Salsman

[1] 
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2014-15_Goals#Community_Engagement_.28Product.29

[2] http://www.allourideas.org/wmfcsdraft

[3] 
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Engineering/2014-15_Goals#Accuracy_review

[4] Khan, U.Z., Wahab, F.,  Saeed, S. (2014). Integration of Scrum
with Win-Win requirements negotiation model, Middle-East Journal of
Scientific Research, 19(1), 101–104.
doi:10.5829/idosi.mejsr.2014.19.1.11770.
http://www.idosi.org/mejsr/mejsr19(1)14/18.pdf

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