Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar

2014-08-04 Thread Lodewijk
the problem is all projects use a different format :)

Maybe it is worth the effort to investigate if we can come to a single
format... at least on the input side.

Lodewijk


2014-08-04 3:43 GMT+02:00 Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm:

 Does the same apply to other sister projects? It could make sense to make
 such request for all...

 On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 03:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
  Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
  citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
 
  Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
  format included?
 
  For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
  is probably most appropriate.
 
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  @pigsonthewing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread David Gerard
We don't know yet for sure what the disappeared page is.

I would advise caution before spreading it across the Net and back.
Remember that Wikipedia is *big and scary* to people outside it. It's
quite possible this is something that really doesn't belong in a BLP,
but the subject doesn't quite know what to do about it.

Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the
issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the
 issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine.

Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the
community at large?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar

2014-08-04 Thread Liam Wyatt
Lodewijk:
Yes indeed. The citation/footnote coding format for different language
editions of Wikipedia is not the same, not to mention the other Wikimedia
projects.
I wonder if this is something that Wikidata could (eventually) handle?
I have been hoping that one day all books (at least those with ISBNs) could
have a Wikidata entry. This would mean that all of the bibliographic
metadata published as CC0 by a variety of national libraries could be
imported and we would have a tremendously useful catalogue of published
works. Presubamly then, each Wikipedia could rely on this database for
footnotes to specific books (each with its own presentation format if it
wants) - rather than having to manually enter each book's bibliographic
information every time you want to cite it on a new Wikipedia article...
This would be similar to the way Commons is a central repository for Media
files, Wikidata could be a central repository of footnote information. Does
this make (logical and technological) sense? Is this feasible, or
completely out of scope for Wikidata?


Andy:
Thanks for pointing out the way Trove provides a citation tool for easy
use on (English) Wikipedia articles. For those who've not seen it, here's a
random example - http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1038049 click the
cite link near the top-left corner. I asked them to incorporate this into
the Trove system in 2009 in association with the GLAM-WIKI conference in
Canberra. Over the years this has proved to be hugely beneficial to Trove
(a service of the National Library of Australia), and has generated
thousands of deep-links to their catalogue
http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/websites/16/
 These links made Wikipedia their number one non-search-engine provider of
inbound traffic [I was employed at the NLA until recently].

-Liam / Wittylama

On 4 August 2014 09:18, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 the problem is all projects use a different format :)

 Maybe it is worth the effort to investigate if we can come to a single
 format... at least on the input side.

 Lodewijk


 2014-08-04 3:43 GMT+02:00 Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm:

  Does the same apply to other sister projects? It could make sense to make
  such request for all...
 
  On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 03:14, Andy Mabbett wrote:
   Google Scholar search results each have a cite link, which generates
   citation text to copy-and-paste in three formats (MLA, APA, Chicago).
  
   Is there someone at Google we can talk to, to get Wikipedia's citation
   format included?
  
   For English-language users (or results), the {{Cite journal}} template
   is probably most appropriate.
  
   --
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   @pigsonthewing
   http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread
On 04/08/2014, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the
 issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine.

 Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the
 community at large?

The Streisand effect and just plain old oh, be nice which is much
easier to manage in a non-public discussion (albeit on the record).
For notable people this is a tricky balance, one of public interest
versus intrusion. We are not journalists (exempting Wikinews for a
moment) and so I would much rather see a lean towards avoiding
intrusion into personal lives wherever reasonable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

As an OTRS volunteer I am especially sympathetic for subjects of
photography that have been accidentally compromised in public places.
We are not *always* talking about nudity - two memorable cases were
when someone was worried that their image was being used as an
illustration of racism, and another for an illustration of
homosexuality; both were identifiable in the photographs and neither
apparently gave specific permission for their photograph to be freely
released and so were surprised to see their face being used on
Wikipedia. Even when copyright is fine, and the material has great
educational value, our projects need to be sympathetic to the
accidental damage or distress that repeating personal data or
propagating photographs might have.

Postscript: In the case of Wikinews, this boils down to local policies
which reflect best practice for journalists. In general we still avoid
intrusion and should take care to set very high standards for ethical
treatment of biographical material about living people. That's which
writing about historic figures rather than celebrities tends to be
so much easier. :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 August 2014 11:03, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the
 issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine.

 Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the
 community at large?



Same way we deal with aggrieved emails from BLP subjects, rather than
just posting them to BLPN - if there *is* a serious concern, it's much
more likely to get the right answer without further damage.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar

2014-08-04 Thread
On 04/08/2014, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
...
 I wonder if this is something that Wikidata could (eventually) handle?
 I have been hoping that one day all books (at least those with ISBNs) could
 have a Wikidata entry. This would mean that all of the bibliographic

There is no point in duplicating other free databases which are
already excellent. http://worldcat.org (by OCLC) has a free to use
API, I've played around with it a little, and it can be integrated in
with any tool. As well as all ISBNs, this includes OCLC numbers (duh)
and other interesting bits and bobs like LCCN numbers that the Library
of Congress uses.

Yonks ago I wrote a greasemonkey script to scrape WorldCat entries
which I used to insert or tidy up complex references in Wikipedia
articles (this was before I hounded to death and resigned as an
admin). The current editing interface on the English Wikipedia has the
cite tool which effectively does the same thing if you put in the
ISBN, so I have never been motivated to promote my script or repackage
it as a user script. If someone wants to look at a copy during the
hackerthon, I'll pass it on, though I'd recommend reading the WorldCat
API documentation instead.
http://www.oclc.org/developer/develop/web-services/worldcat-search-api.en.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 11:22, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 04/08/2014, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the
 issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine.

 Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers,
 and not the community at large?

 The Streisand effect and just plain old oh, be nice which is much
 easier to manage in a non-public discussion (albeit on the record).

Which discussion would that be, and with whom?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 11:40, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 4 August 2014 11:03, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the
 issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine.

 Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the
 community at large?



 Same way we deal with aggrieved emails from BLP subjects, rather than
 just posting them to BLPN - if there *is* a serious concern, it's much
 more likely to get the right answer without further damage.

That's because there's direct, private correspondence with the
individual concerned (or their agent). I see no suggestion that that
would apply in the case in question.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 08:18, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
 the problem is all projects use a different format :)

 Maybe it is worth the effort to investigate if we can come to a single
 format... at least on the input side.

I believe such is being discussed, as part of the wider conversation
around using Wikidata as a repository for citations.

But that is months if not years away, and we could in the meantime
have, if we can secure Google's cooperation as proposed, a quick
solution for the majority of cases in a few days or weeks.

A hack-y work-around, if one is needed, would be for non-english sites
to aheva template called {{cite journal}}, and have that always
subst: into a ,coal template, as en.WP currently does with for
example, various de.WP infobox templates .

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 11:15, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wonder if this is something that Wikidata could (eventually) handle?

I have a brain-dump about how this might work, in my user pace at:

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing/Citations_-_the_future

For me, one of the exciting things about this is being able to quickly
and confidently see every article in which an author is cited (see
mockup, linked form that page), or in which a specific work is cited.

 Thanks for pointing out the way Trove provides a
 citation tool for easy use on (English) Wikipedia articles.

 I asked them to incorporate this into the Trove system in 2009

I supposed you might have had a hand in it. Nice work!

I imagine you would have had less success had you asked for a
different template for each language; the same would apply with
Google.

 Over the years this has proved to be hugely beneficial to Trove
 (a service of the National Library of Australia), and has generated
 thousands of deep-links to their catalogue

That's a great selling point!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 11:43, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 The current editing interface on the English Wikipedia has the
 cite tool which effectively does the same thing if you put in the
 ISBN

I find that often rimes out, sadly. (It works well with Google books
URLs, though.)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Asking Google to output Wikipedia citation format in Scholar

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 4 August 2014 12:02, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 for non-english sites
 to aheva template called {{cite journal}}, and have that always
 subst: into a ,coal template

have a; local.

Apologies.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commonwealth Games

2014-08-04 Thread Pyb
Andy Mabbett andy@... writes:

 
 Do we have anyone at the Commonwealth Games?
 


The first edition of the European Games is intended to take place in Baku,
Azerbaijan, in June 2015. We may try to obtain some accreditations for
photographers. I do not have enough time to take care of this project alone.
Any help is welcome ;)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Fred Bauder
 On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the
 issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine.

 Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the
 community at large?

 --
 Andy Mabbett
 @pigsonthewing
 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk


That would be because the inmates are not good at running the asylum.

Fred


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-04 Thread Jessie Wild
I put the slides on commons immediately after the presentation:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grantmaking_Impact_Assessment,_2013-14.pdf

As for the cost-benefit question: YES ABSOLUTELY we need all the costs
involved! This is one of the major gaps we saw in reporting: we weren't
able to capture full costs of project, including volunteer time or in-kind
donations because those were not reported back to us. We are asking for
this data in the upcoming program evaluation review which will have open
data collection in September. Please report :) We're also working on a way
within the grantmaking structures to gather that information without
putting too much of an increased reporting burden on grantees.


And to Pine and all others who will be in London at Wikimania: please do
stop by the Grantmaking booth in the community village! We'll have people
there throughout the days, and it would be awesome to take advantage of the
opportunity to engage in this conversation in person as possible (of
course, online is an ongoing option).



On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 In general, using Google to store Wikimedia slide decks is a bad idea as
 that's essentially temporary (and restricted-access) storage - it's much
 better to upload a copy to Commons so they are properly archived (hopefully
 indefinitely!) and available to all...

 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 1 Aug 2014, at 22:48, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Jessie,
 
  Can you make sure that your slides from yesterday are shared publicly so
  people can take a look at them? Right now they seem to be shared only to
  WMF employees.
 
  Thanks!
 
  Dan
 
 
  On 1 August 2014 14:45, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
  On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
 
  Slides from all the presentations are available here:
 
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2014-08
 
 
  The grantmaking slides seem to be limited to WMF employees though.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
I will be there :)
Thanks,
GerardM


On 4 August 2014 15:56, Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 I put the slides on commons immediately after the presentation:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grantmaking_Impact_Assessment,_2013-14.pdf

 As for the cost-benefit question: YES ABSOLUTELY we need all the costs
 involved! This is one of the major gaps we saw in reporting: we weren't
 able to capture full costs of project, including volunteer time or in-kind
 donations because those were not reported back to us. We are asking for
 this data in the upcoming program evaluation review which will have open
 data collection in September. Please report :) We're also working on a way
 within the grantmaking structures to gather that information without
 putting too much of an increased reporting burden on grantees.


 And to Pine and all others who will be in London at Wikimania: please do
 stop by the Grantmaking booth in the community village! We'll have people
 there throughout the days, and it would be awesome to take advantage of the
 opportunity to engage in this conversation in person as possible (of
 course, online is an ongoing option).



 On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

  In general, using Google to store Wikimedia slide decks is a bad idea as
  that's essentially temporary (and restricted-access) storage - it's much
  better to upload a copy to Commons so they are properly archived
 (hopefully
  indefinitely!) and available to all...
 
  Thanks,
  Mike
 
  On 1 Aug 2014, at 22:48, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
   Jessie,
  
   Can you make sure that your slides from yesterday are shared publicly
 so
   people can take a look at them? Right now they seem to be shared only
 to
   WMF employees.
  
   Thanks!
  
   Dan
  
  
   On 1 August 2014 14:45, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  
   On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org
  wrote:
  
   Slides from all the presentations are available here:
  
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2014-08
  
  
   The grantmaking slides seem to be limited to WMF employees though.
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[Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
This is a good read in its own right:

   
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/07/amanda_petrusich_s_do_not_sell_at_any_price_reviewed_by_sarah_o_holla.html

but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
example of a particular recording, with no master in an archive
somewhere, sent chills up my spine.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread Magnus Manske
You're familiar with this, I take it:

http://radio.publicdomainproject.org/


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:

 This is a good read in its own right:


 http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/07/amanda_petrusich_s_do_not_sell_at_any_price_reviewed_by_sarah_o_holla.html

 but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
 example of a particular recording, with no master in an archive
 somewhere, sent chills up my spine.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread Jesse de Vos
Thanks, great article. At Sound and Vision in the Netherlands we recently
digitized nearly 10.000 (mainly Dutch) 78 rpm records. Unfortunately
researching whether this material is PD or not is an enormous effort. By
the looks of it only a very small part of it will be PD in the US. Once the
research is finished we will upload these to commons.



2014-08-04 16:18 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:

 You're familiar with this, I take it:

 http://radio.publicdomainproject.org/


 On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 wrote:

  This is a good read in its own right:
 
 
 
 http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/07/amanda_petrusich_s_do_not_sell_at_any_price_reviewed_by_sarah_o_holla.html
 
  but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
  example of a particular recording, with no master in an archive
  somewhere, sent chills up my spine.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
I wasn't. That's going to kill my productivity for the rest of the day ;-)

Thank you.

On 4 August 2014 15:18, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
 You're familiar with this, I take it:

 http://radio.publicdomainproject.org/


 On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 wrote:

 This is a good read in its own right:


 http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/07/amanda_petrusich_s_do_not_sell_at_any_price_reviewed_by_sarah_o_holla.html

 but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
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 somewhere, sent chills up my spine.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 August 2014 15:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
 example of a particular recording, with no master in an archive
 somewhere, sent chills up my spine.


This is surprisingly common with indie records. Frequently, a few
hundred pieces of vinyl are the *only* copies of the music in
question.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
Related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwXayHbUQ2o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record-Rama


2014-08-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:

 This is a good read in its own right:


 http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/07/amanda_petrusich_s_do_not_sell_at_any_price_reviewed_by_sarah_o_holla.html

 but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
 example of a particular recording, with no master in an archive
 somewhere, sent chills up my spine.

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[Wikimedia-l] Subject: Re: Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread Tim Davenport
Arguably of more importance than the loss of unique (1 specimen only) 78
records are the loss of unique newspapers and political leaflets, which are
legion. The latter naturally had a lower survival rate than mass
produced-and-comparatively durable phonograph records. This is not to say
that saving ultra-rare 78s are unimportant, but there is a whole mass of
written culture out there that is one breath away from extinction.

Fanzines are another example of small circulation and thus endangered media.

The rise of the Adobe pdf format over the past decade and the crashing
price of computer storage space has been a boon to preservation of rare
written and photographic material. It's very satisfying to save something
in this way for future generations and I urge those archive rats on the
list to do their best to preserve and share when they come across unique
material in their research pursuits.


Tim Davenport /// Carrite
Corvallis, OR  USA





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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:53:10 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

On 4 August 2014 15:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
 example of a particular recording, with no master in an archive
 somewhere, sent chills up my spine.


This is surprisingly common with indie records. Frequently, a few
hundred pieces of vinyl are the *only* copies of the music in
question.


- d.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-04 Thread rupert THURNER
hi jessie, nice to hear this from you! how will the central cost be
considered, e.g. grantmaking department of the wmf?

rupert
Am 04.08.2014 15:56 schrieb Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org:

 I put the slides on commons immediately after the presentation:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grantmaking_Impact_Assessment,_2013-14.pdf

 As for the cost-benefit question: YES ABSOLUTELY we need all the costs
 involved! This is one of the major gaps we saw in reporting: we weren't
 able to capture full costs of project, including volunteer time or in-kind
 donations because those were not reported back to us. We are asking for
 this data in the upcoming program evaluation review which will have open
 data collection in September. Please report :) We're also working on a way
 within the grantmaking structures to gather that information without
 putting too much of an increased reporting burden on grantees.


 And to Pine and all others who will be in London at Wikimania: please do
 stop by the Grantmaking booth in the community village! We'll have people
 there throughout the days, and it would be awesome to take advantage of the
 opportunity to engage in this conversation in person as possible (of
 course, online is an ongoing option).



 On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

  In general, using Google to store Wikimedia slide decks is a bad idea as
  that's essentially temporary (and restricted-access) storage - it's much
  better to upload a copy to Commons so they are properly archived
 (hopefully
  indefinitely!) and available to all...
 
  Thanks,
  Mike
 
  On 1 Aug 2014, at 22:48, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
   Jessie,
  
   Can you make sure that your slides from yesterday are shared publicly
 so
   people can take a look at them? Right now they seem to be shared only
 to
   WMF employees.
  
   Thanks!
  
   Dan
  
  
   On 1 August 2014 14:45, Gergo Tisza gti...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  
   On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org
  wrote:
  
   Slides from all the presentations are available here:
  
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2014-08
  
  
   The grantmaking slides seem to be limited to WMF employees though.
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Serbia ED

2014-08-04 Thread Filip Maljkovic

Dear friends,

We would like to inform you that Wikimedia Serbia board of trustees and 
Wikimedia Serbia Executive Director, Mile Kiš, have mutually decided to 
part ways and to end Mile's employment at the position of ED. Mile will 
remain Wikimedia Serbia ED until September 1.


We would like to thank Mile for many years of cooperation and all the 
effort that he put into developing Wikimedia Serbia and its projects. 
His work was crucial in the initial steps of professionalization of 
Wikimedia Serbia. We wish him the best of luck in his future 
professional and personal endeavors.


We plan to post a job opening soon, so that we could find a new ED, but 
in the meantime, that job will be carried out by Ivana Madžarević, 
Project and Community Manager of Wikimedia Serbia.


On behalf of Wikimedia Serbia Board,
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania Hackathon wants your signatures

2014-08-04 Thread Quim Gil
1,6 days before the start of the Wikimania Hackathon... #impatient

If you are planning to attend, there is something simple that you can still
do. Please go to

https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon#Topics

and leave your signature in the sessions that you wish to attend. It's
pretty straightforward and requires no commitment. Do it now!

Why is this useful?

1. The sessions with a critical mass of signatures will be featured at the
all-hands session opening the hackathon. We will call the promoters of each
of these sessions and they will pitch their intentions and goals. This, in
turn, might get them some more participants.

2. Having an approximate idea of the relative interest of each session will
help everybody scheduling in rooms with appropriate size. Note that most of
the scheduling will happen during and after this opening session. We have
pre-scheduled just a few exceptions: sessions focusing on new contributors
and sessions requiring the participation of remotes or other people with
busy agendas.

In other words, by adding your signatures now you are already starting to
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See you soon!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread geni
On 4 August 2014 15:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4 August 2014 15:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

  but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
  example of a particular recording, with no master in an archive
  somewhere, sent chills up my spine.


 This is surprisingly common with indie records. Frequently, a few
 hundred pieces of vinyl are the *only* copies of the music in
 question.



Eh there used to be fairground/seaside booths where you could cut your own
record. One the plus side this stuff should last longer than say floppy
discs.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread geni
On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 We don't know yet for sure what the disappeared page is.

 I would advise caution before spreading it across the Net and back.
 Remember that Wikipedia is *big and scary* to people outside it. It's
 quite possible this is something that really doesn't belong in a BLP,
 but the subject doesn't quite know what to do about it.


If I had to bet I'd say more likely its a passing mention in an article on
a small village somewhere. In so far as we know what standards Google is
working to BLP subjects would generally be too high profile.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

2014-08-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 August 2014 19:07, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Eh there used to be fairground/seaside booths where you could cut your own
 record. One the plus side this stuff should last longer than say floppy
 discs.



I've wanted one of these for years: http://www.elpj.com/ OTOH, even
the Internet Archive doesn't bother with those, they just use ordinary
Technics turntables.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 August 2014 19:15, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 We don't know yet for sure what the disappeared page is.
 I would advise caution before spreading it across the Net and back.
 Remember that Wikipedia is *big and scary* to people outside it. It's
 quite possible this is something that really doesn't belong in a BLP,
 but the subject doesn't quite know what to do about it.

 If I had to bet I'd say more likely its a passing mention in an article on
 a small village somewhere. In so far as we know what standards Google is
 working to BLP subjects would generally be too high profile.


We do still get lots of BLPs that basically shouldn't exist. Some are
vanity, some are actually attack pieces.


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[Wikimedia-l] Multilingual office hours

2014-08-04 Thread Pine W
Most office hours are understandably in English, but I for one would be
interested in supporting language diversity in our office hours.

I believe that at least three WMF employees in the Grantmaking Department
speak some Spanish, and Spanish is spoken by a large percentage of the
global south, so I am wondering if there would be interest in having a
bilingual Grantmaking office hour in English and Spanish. If there is
interest in adding a third language to the mix I would suggest French due
to the acclaim given to Wikimedia France in their most recent review from
the Funds Dissemination Committee, with the hope that other thematic
organizations can learn from Wikimedia France's experience.

Similarly, due to the substantial number of technical contributors to the
Wikimedia projects who speak German, I am wondering if there would be
interest in an explicitly bilingual German and English office hour for the
Product and Engineering Department or for Wikidata. I would also suggest
that Indic languages could be valuable for a Product and Engineering office
hour, due to my unscientific perception that there is substantial interest
in Language Engineering from Wikimedians who speak Indic languages.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Multilingual office hours

2014-08-04 Thread MF-Warburg
How do you envision the bilingual office hours to be set up? Should there
be someone who translates everything that is being said?
It seems to me that having office hours in simply a different language than
English, if enough informed staffers are able to speak it, would be more
feasible.
Am 04.08.2014 21:39 schrieb Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:

 Most office hours are understandably in English, but I for one would be
 interested in supporting language diversity in our office hours.

 I believe that at least three WMF employees in the Grantmaking Department
 speak some Spanish, and Spanish is spoken by a large percentage of the
 global south, so I am wondering if there would be interest in having a
 bilingual Grantmaking office hour in English and Spanish. If there is
 interest in adding a third language to the mix I would suggest French due
 to the acclaim given to Wikimedia France in their most recent review from
 the Funds Dissemination Committee, with the hope that other thematic
 organizations can learn from Wikimedia France's experience.

 Similarly, due to the substantial number of technical contributors to the
 Wikimedia projects who speak German, I am wondering if there would be
 interest in an explicitly bilingual German and English office hour for the
 Product and Engineering Department or for Wikidata. I would also suggest
 that Indic languages could be valuable for a Product and Engineering office
 hour, due to my unscientific perception that there is substantial interest
 in Language Engineering from Wikimedians who speak Indic languages.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Multilingual office hours

2014-08-04 Thread Pine W
Google Translate is adequate for imperfect but understandable Spanish and
French translations into English, so anyone who needed live interpretation
or post-meeting translation of Spanish or French into English could use
Google Translate.

I don't know how feasible it is to use Google Translate for Indic languages
or German.

I think it's important to maximize the accessibility of meetings for
participants as well as readers of the chat logs so it may be that all chat
logs of these office hours should be translated by WMF staff into English,
with the original and English translations to be posted on Meta.

We could experiment with different language formats for office hours. I
would leave that to the judgment of WMF and the level of interest expressed
by Wikimedians who struggle with English and would prefer to communicate in
a different language.

Pine


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wrote:

 How do you envision the bilingual office hours to be set up? Should there
 be someone who translates everything that is being said?
 It seems to me that having office hours in simply a different language than
 English, if enough informed staffers are able to speak it, would be more
 feasible.
 Am 04.08.2014 21:39 schrieb Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:

  Most office hours are understandably in English, but I for one would be
  interested in supporting language diversity in our office hours.
 
  I believe that at least three WMF employees in the Grantmaking Department
  speak some Spanish, and Spanish is spoken by a large percentage of the
  global south, so I am wondering if there would be interest in having a
  bilingual Grantmaking office hour in English and Spanish. If there is
  interest in adding a third language to the mix I would suggest French due
  to the acclaim given to Wikimedia France in their most recent review from
  the Funds Dissemination Committee, with the hope that other thematic
  organizations can learn from Wikimedia France's experience.
 
  Similarly, due to the substantial number of technical contributors to the
  Wikimedia projects who speak German, I am wondering if there would be
  interest in an explicitly bilingual German and English office hour for
 the
  Product and Engineering Department or for Wikidata. I would also suggest
  that Indic languages could be valuable for a Product and Engineering
 office
  hour, due to my unscientific perception that there is substantial
 interest
  in Language Engineering from Wikimedians who speak Indic languages.
 
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