Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and "right to be forgotten" notices from search engines

2014-08-06 Thread Pine W
Thanks Simon. Back to Trillium's point, I don't think we should vilify people solely for making a removal request, but nor should we censor verifiable and notable information that complies with our policies just because the subject dislikes it, and we should be transparent about requests for cens

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and "right to be forgotten" notices from search engines

2014-08-06 Thread Simon Knight
Bear in mind Pine that the RTBF request need not be from the subject of the article (so BLP & NPOV are less relevant), it could be someone mentioned peripherally. The link suppression would also only relate to search terms about /that/ person, rather than the main subject, just to muddy the wate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and "right to be forgotten" notices from search engines

2014-08-06 Thread Pine W
I see how you could read it that way, but remember that to be included on Wikipedia information should be notable and written in NPOV fashion, and the BLP policy applies. If someone wants to contest information in their BLP we have more subtle tools for handling disputes than pure removal, althoug

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering "community" team!" (brainstorming)

2014-08-06 Thread MZMcBride
Steven Walling wrote: >On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM, MZMcBride wrote: >> Theoretical overlap, perhaps. People in the role of "Community Liaison, >> Product Development and Strategic Change Management", a title Orwell >>would be proud of, are not doing what's being described in this e-mail. >>The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and "right to be forgotten" notices from search engines

2014-08-06 Thread Trillium Corsage
I see I am not the only one who noticed what WMF Legal is doing, but I see it a different way than Nathan. I see it as the WMF intimidating and threatening those EU individuals who dare to to exercise their rights under the court's ruling. Brigham and Paulson are basically saying "just try it. W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community liaison advocacy in support of the community

2014-08-06 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
James, you are a long-term Wikipedia user. Were it not for the fact that you have been, on occasion, a good-faith contributor, I'd not bother with this. "To live outside the law, you must be honest." --Bob Dylan. You have been a long-term puppet master, creating many socks. I have no personal j

[Wikimedia-l] Community liaison advocacy in support of the community

2014-08-06 Thread James Salsman
Steven Walling wrote: > The community liaisons put in a lot of blood, sweat, > and tears to advocate not only *to* the community, > but *for* it within the Foundation. How is the effectiveness of their advocacy of the community measured? Back when I was the only wikimedian speaking out in support

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] Transparency and "right to be forgotten" notices from search engines

2014-08-06 Thread Nathan
Thanks very much for this, Stephen and the legal team. I especially appreciate that the WMF has decided to make public the specific notifications of the use of the "Right to be forgotten" in the EU.[1] It's interesting that the bulk of the suppression requests have come from a single (ex?) Wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Subject for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015: CoSyne

2014-08-06 Thread Rachel Farrand
Yep, if you look at the Hackathon schedule you should see that it has been scheduled for Thursday afternoon at 2pm. Hope you can make it! On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Emeric Vallespi wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone have planned a meeting during Wikimania about next Hackathon's > organization

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering "community" team!" (brainstorming)

2014-08-06 Thread svetlana
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, at 15:44, Steven Walling wrote: > The community liasons > put in a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to advocate not only *to *the > community, but *for it* within the Foundation. This activity should be redundant. If someone in the Foundation fails to see the community, it shoul

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Transparency Report & Right To Be Forgotten

2014-08-06 Thread Michelle Paulson
Hi All, We are very happy to report that we have released the Wikimedia Foundation's first transparency report, which can be found at transparency.wikimedia.org. You can read more about the release in this blog post

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Subject for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015: CoSyne

2014-08-06 Thread Emeric Vallespi
Hello, Does anyone have planned a meeting during Wikimania about next Hackathon's organization ? I believe it would be useful to know who of us still want to organize, after informations which was forwarded by former organizers, and how we could collaborate to choose the next (co-)organizer. I