Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread Pine W
WMF update: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)diff=9665238oldid=9664457 Gerard, I agree that a forked wiki could have collaborations with WMF. But having separate hosting and legal ownership would create new headaches and risks. I hope WMF takes a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Such separate hostings and ownership would not be that much of a risk to the WMF. The challenges will be first and foremost with the separatists; then again it is firmly their choice. There will be benefits on both sides as well. The community that remains with the WMF will lose all of the

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH just hired two new team member

2014-08-28 Thread Charles Andrès
sorry for cross-posting Dear all, We are very glad to inform you that Wikimedia CH has just hired Gabrielle Marie as French Community Liaison (FCL), a 50% position and Sabine Ray as Administrative Assistant (AA), a 20% position, both of them will join the team on 1st of September. When

[Wikimedia-l] WMF against the World? Part 1: Feedback

2014-08-28 Thread ; )
Dear List, here are some impressions that could be useful for further discussion and solution-finding: ## MISCONCEPTIONS - SITUATION AFTER ESCALATING TO A GENERAL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CHAPTERS AND HQ The Situation (this is feedback - think about it and find

[Wikimedia-l] WMF against the World? Part 2: The Fork

2014-08-28 Thread ; )
Hey List, just to play around, here some thoughts on the validity of a fork from the german-speaking content-sites. To clarify - I don't want that and would not advise anyone to go that way but it's importat to know: ## Hosting Central Europe still has some of those large Universities

[Wikimedia-l] WMF against the World? Part 3: Solutions

2014-08-28 Thread ; )
Hey List, final part of three - I think after all this gloom I do have to propose some solutions too: #1 EASY but hard on the ego Only activate the pretty viewer on mobile devices per default. See - easy. And those german wikipedians, who are in Europe but certainly in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF against the World? Part 1: Feedback

2014-08-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, From my perspective, this is a bi-polar view of the world. It does not fit reality. Thanks, GerardM On 28 August 2014 11:45, ; ) b...@gmx.at wrote: Dear List, here are some impressions that could be useful for further discussion and solution-finding: ## MISCONCEPTIONS -

[Wikimedia-l] WMF against the World? Postscript

2014-08-28 Thread ; )
Hey List, to show that this is something cyclic, that is happening all over the place and in all types of organisations, here some examples of other community vs hq processes. Some helped get a more robust system in place, others just lead to a fork. #1 EVE ONLINE Situation: Space

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF against the World? Part 3: Solutions

2014-08-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Given that your view is bi-polar, it is obvious who you side with.. In reality our communities are much more of a collective. There is nothing that gives one person the right to decide for an other and, in reality there is no consensus among the communities. Even within one community there is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread Jane Darnell
I agree with Gerard, and would add that a good portion of the new readers and missing female editors do not own or operate a desktop and are only available on mobile and tablet, so this is not only where the new readers are, but also where the first edit experience is for most women (and sadly,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread
On 28 August 2014 12:56, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Gerard, and would add that a good portion of the new readers and missing female editors do not own or operate a desktop and are only available on mobile and tablet, so this is not only where the new readers are, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] Wikimedia CH just hired two new team member

2014-08-28 Thread Rama Neko
Welcome and good luck to the new members! Looking forwards very much to working with the new extended team. Best wishes, -- Rama On 28 August 2014 10:50, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: *sorry for cross-posting* Dear all, We are very glad to inform you that Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread ; )
Hey Jane, as the desktop is sometimes characterised only as a legacy input device for old power editors, while the reading is done from mobile devices, often in the form of mash-ups and geo-apps, why is a compromise so hard to achieve? One solution that pops up would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread Jane Darnell
You can start by asking around in your own circle of aquaintance, and I'll bet that such research will make you quickly realize that hard stats will be very hard to discover, since in my circle, most of the women I know are married and though their household contains a desktop, the desktop is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread Jane Darnell
Hi g, Thanks for calling me an old power editor. I suggest you try to make an edit to a WIkimedia project of choice (e.g. add a photo to an existing article) on a desktop, then do the same on a mobile smartphone, and then report back here. Jane On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:50 AM, ; ) b...@gmx.at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread Todd Allen
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: You can start by asking around in your own circle of aquaintance, and I'll bet that such research will make you quickly realize that hard stats will be very hard to discover, since in my circle, most of the women I know are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-28 Thread Jane Darnell
I should explain that I am a resident of the Netherlands, where we have a central statistics bureau which includes census statistics that you can query for free and download your own datasets in xls format. As a data analyst I have spent lots of time gathering such data and reporting on it in

[Wikimedia-l] Understading power in the Wikimedia context

2014-08-28 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi all, I just saw this nice video on Why ordinary people need to understand power http://www.ted.com/talks/eric_liu_why_ordinary_people_need_to_understand_power#_=_, by Eric Liu, from Citizen University http://www.citizenuniversity.us/. Although my personal interest goes beyond the wiki-world

[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF August 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, September 4, 18:00 UTC

2014-08-28 Thread Praveena Maharaj
Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, September 4, 2014 at 6 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube stream. The current structure of the meeting is: * Welcoming

Re: [Wikimedia-l] editor retention initiatives

2014-08-28 Thread David Goodman
Trying to radically change the NFCC guidelines, however desirable, is not something which is likely to succeed. Trying to somewhat simply image procedures might; I hope it could, because I no longer even attempt to work with images. Though this is in large part my own conceptually preference for