Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffCom - Call for candidates 2015 [UPDATE]

2014-09-05 Thread Gregory Varnum
Thank you everyone for your feedback and ideas. They're already being discussed internally by AffCom and may be reflected in our next call for candidates. There will not be any changes to the process for this call. Some additional information folks may find helpful... This call will add at least

[Wikimedia-l] add use of wikimetrics to my resume

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] add use of wikimetrics to my resume

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
Sorry, that was intended as a note to self. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Where should we organize ideas for the Strategic Plan update?

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
Heh. That was not my first time when I started typing my email address and instead Gmail autofilled wikimedia-l. This is what I get for choosing wiki.pine instead of pine.wiki. I need some coffee or more sleep. Anyway, this is what was supposed to go to Wikimedia-l: Do we have a central place

Re: [Wikimedia-l] add use of wikimetrics to my resume

2014-09-05 Thread Liam Wyatt
Note to self: Add Familiarity with dangers of the 'reply-all' and 'auto-complete address' functions in e-mail clients. ;-) -Liam On 5 September 2014 13:52, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, that was intended as a note to self. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Pine W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where should we organize ideas for the Strategic Plan update?

2014-09-05 Thread Samuel Klein
How about a category on Meta with a set of infobox templates like those on the strategy wiki? With a summary kept updated at [[m:strategy]] On Sep 5, 2014 5:03 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Heh. That was not my first time when I started typing my email address and instead Gmail

Re: [Wikimedia-l] add use of wikimetrics to my resume

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
Fortunately I haven't ever done a reply all accidentally. I'm pretty vigilant about keeping sensitive data where it belongs. I have heard a nightmare scenario about legally privileged documents being distributed to opposing counsel, fortunately not by WMF. Pine On Sep 5, 2014 6:04 AM, Liam Wyatt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 25.08.2014 06:07, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: On 08/24/2014 11:19 PM, Pine W wrote: I have heard people say don't force an interface change on me that I don't think is an improvement. I do not recall a recent interface change deployment that wasn't accompanied with, at the very least, some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/05/2014 11:12 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 25.08.2014 06:07, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: FLOW? Last I checked, Flow isn't deployed except as experiments in a handful of places, and is still in active deployment. But you're correct that this would constitute a replacement rather than a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I'm not sure the term loop is appropriate. So far, I see little evidence that feedback provided [1] is making any appreciable difference. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flow On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 09/05/2014 11:12 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
This somewhat circuitously brings us back to the subject. We have a chance to rollout Flow the right way. There are some questions that come to mind that might tell us if we're headed for a big win or a bigger debacle: 1) Is the WMF working with the community as closely and substantially as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
Andreas, what would you do process-wise from the perspective of the WMF and/or the broader community to improve communication and its impact on development of Flow? ,Wil On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure the term loop is appropriate. So far, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Risker
I think there have been some pretty strong indications over the years that the current talk page system needs to be improved. However, there's been little discussion at all about whether Flow is that improvement. I have been following the development for quite a while, and it really looks like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
Interesting. What I'm noticing in both this discussion and the discussions around MV is that a lot of us think that the solution has value, but the features are not prioritized well. I don't have much experience with Trello, but I know of lots of other tools (Bugzilla is one, I believe) that can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: This somewhat circuitously brings us back to the subject. We have a chance to rollout Flow the right way. There are some questions that come to mind that might tell us if we're headed for a big win or a bigger debacle: 1) Is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Tim Davenport
I really don't like the way that people are referring to Flow as a done deal with an inevitable roll out. Nothing remotely close to workable software has been produced, no case has been made that the purported problems being addressed by this top-down software project are valid issues in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the WMF should stop focusing on English Wikipedia as a target deploy site, and stop allowing its product management team and WMF staff in general to be salesman for it - it is scaring the community that all WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
FWIW, ironically the tangled discussions about MediaViewer across multiple pages have made me think that having a more organized way to read discussions would be a good idea. My understanding is that this is one of Flow's objectives. If Flow can achieve this in a way that is helpful and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffCom - Call for candidates 2015 [UPDATE]

2014-09-05 Thread Pine W
Hi Varnet, I have emailed Affcom or individual members on more than one occasion for an update about the Cascadia Wikimedians user group application. We finished our response to Affcom's last question on August 7, which was almost a month ago. We have projects that we would like to start that are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:48 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the WMF should stop focusing on English Wikipedia as a target deploy site, and stop allowing its product management team and WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread James Forrester
On 5 September 2014 17:25, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: One of the more recent WMF products: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageTriage An important note is that some of the configuration and code is specific to the English-language Wikipedia's workflows and as it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
Actually, Tim, you're not giving me credit for all the other mistakes I made. :D FWIW, lessons have been learned, and there is a new version in the works. But many people on this list have specifically said that they don't want to talk about Offwiki, and we should respect their wishes. I did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
Risker, what do you think might get us all back on track for Flow? Should the WMF consider a reset of the project and proceed only after making specific and enforceable commitments to work with the community? Is a total rewrite in order? Should we go completely tabla rasa on it and revisit whether

[Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-05 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi all, I'm breaking out this discussion about Flow/talk pages (apologies for repeatedly breaking the megathread, but this is a well-scoped subject which deserves its own thread). Fundamentally, there's one key question to answer for talk pages in Wikimedia projects: Do we want discussions to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Fundamentally, there's one key question to answer for talk pages in Wikimedia projects: Do we want discussions to occur in document mode, or in a structured comment mode? All else flows from there snip I think there's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Recognition of Wikimedia Belgium as a Wikimedia chapter by the WMF Board

2014-09-05 Thread Balázs Viczián
Congrats from Wikimedia Hungary! Balázs 2014.09.02. 19:46, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve ezt írta: Dear all, It is an honour for me to announce that during Wikimania, the WMF resolved [1] to recognise Wikimedia Belgium as a Wikimedia chapter. The resolution was made public a few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Risker
Wil, the tl;dr here is Philosophical beliefs aren't an effective underpinning for good software design. Start over. It's taken me a while to piece together much from the early discussions about Flow and figure out how we got to where we are now. It's my opinion that the root of the problem is