Re: [Wikimedia-l] Nobel Peace Prize announcement and editathon

2014-10-09 Thread MZMcBride
Jon Harald Søby wrote:
2014-10-08 23:40 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
 Will they release their own biographies under a free license to ease
 article expansion? :)

 
 
Good question, Nemo. I don't know if it has been brought up, but we should
probably look into that. :-)

I tried to get a photo of Alice Munro (2013 winner of the Nobel Prize in
Literature) for her English Wikipedia article and the experience was both
difficult and disheartening. I'd personally be much more appreciative of
freely donated images of the winners over biography text. The latter is a
lot easier to create than the former, in my experience. :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Nobel Peace Prize announcement and editathon

2014-10-09 Thread Anna Stillwell
This sounds just great. Can't wait to see what you guys do. I'm always so
amazed at what people are building and doing. And it's great that they
reached out to you to do this.

Nice work,
/a

p.s. I know that when Americans say great or amazing too many times that we
are totally suspect, but so be it.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Alhen ałħen alhen.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 It sounds like something we can pull in many languages! Congrats on the
 event :D

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 On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com wrote:

  Good question, Nemo. I don't know if it has been brought up, but we
 should
  probably look into that. :-)
 
  2014-10-08 23:40 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
 
   Will they release their own biographies under a free license to ease
   article expansion? :)
  
   Nemo
  
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread MZMcBride
Craig Franklin wrote:
That said, welcome Damon!  Certainly, it's a pretty tough job that you've
stepped into, but I'm optimistic that a fresh approach and fresh eyes will
assist the engineering team in pushing through the present difficulties
with software deployments.

Which present difficulties are you referring to? If it's issues with
feature/bug prioritization and resource allocation, it's probably more the
Product side of the house, not the Engineering side of the house, that
would need a refresh, I think. That's my vague understanding, anyway.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Nobel Peace Prize announcement and editathon

2014-10-09 Thread Jan Ainali
You are right Tom, WMSE made several such videos, I guess the one you are
thinking of is this one:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nobel_BrianSchmidt_2011-12-08.ogv

Will the winners be present at the announcement?


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2014-10-09 0:26 GMT+02:00 Everton Zanella Alvarenga 
everton.alvare...@okfn.org:

 Hi Jon,

 that is a great initiative. I've already spread the word among Wikimedia
 Brasil and Open Knowledge Brasil.

 I'd like to suggest that you try to make a short video for the winner
 asking about Wikipedia and its importance. I think Wikimedia Sweden has
 made a cool short interview with some Nobel prize (I think chemestry) and
 it was really good. This can be even used to outreach at universities to
 bring more people to catalyse efforts to involve more schools on Wikimedia
 projects.

 If you can do it, please, let us know.

 Cheers,

 Tom

 2014-10-08 18:07 GMT-03:00 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com:

  Hi, all!
 
  The winner of the Nobel Peace Prize will be announced this Friday, and in
  cooperation with Wikimedia Norge, the Nobel Peace Center
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Center has invited
 Wikipedians
  from the Norwegian Wikipedia community to an editathon to improve the
  article about the winner(s?) as soon as possible. We'll be sitting
  practically in the next room from where the announcement is made,
 updating
  relevant articles as fast as we can.
 
  For this to be a global event, I'd like to invite anyone who's interested
  to join us in the IRC channel #wikipedia-nobel
  irc://freenode/#wikipedia-nobel, where we'll be talking and
 coordinating.
  We'll also try to livetweet the event using the hashtag #wikinobel
  https://twitter.com/hashtag/wikinobel, probably mainly from the
 account
  @WikimediaNorge https://twitter.com/WikimediaNorge.
 
  The press conference will be start around 10:30 Norwegian time, which is
  *08:30
  UTC*, like I said on *Friday, 10th of October*. Please join us, and help
  spread this invitation to your community.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread Pine W
I'm sure a Board member, Lila, or Erik will correct me if I am mistaken,
but my understanding is that there is internal agreement at Board level
that the Product side of the org needs some systemic changes, that Lila was
chosen with the goal of making those changes, and that some changes are
already happening.

Pine

On Oct 8, 2014 11:08 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 Craig Franklin wrote:
 That said, welcome Damon!  Certainly, it's a pretty tough job that you've
 stepped into, but I'm optimistic that a fresh approach and fresh eyes will
 assist the engineering team in pushing through the present difficulties
 with software deployments.

 Which present difficulties are you referring to? If it's issues with
 feature/bug prioritization and resource allocation, it's probably more the
 Product side of the house, not the Engineering side of the house, that
 would need a refresh, I think. That's my vague understanding, anyway.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Nobel Peace Prize announcement and editathon

2014-10-09 Thread Liam Wyatt
This is an excellent event idea, congratulations to Wikimedia Norway for
organising it.
It is also a brilliant example of how Chapters and other groups around the
world can take responsability for topics that have particular
local relevance to them, and take a leadership role in the worldwide
movement in the process. In this case (an announcement of global interest,
but made in a particular building in a particular city) it also highlights
wikimedia as not just a virtual community, but a physical one, and that the
two work in tandem.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Nobel Peace Prize announcement and editathon

2014-10-09 Thread Jan Ainali
Today there was the announcement for the Nobel prize in literature. Quit
interesting is that the Swedish Radio, Swedish Television and the Norwegian
NRK are updating articles related to this. Not perfect, but with a
obviously good ambition!

https://twitter.com/5thEstateWiki/status/520171448636551168
https://twitter.com/5thEstateWiki/status/520169175776784384
https://twitter.com/5thEstateWiki/status/520167492078297088
https://twitter.com/5thEstateWiki/status/520175308872617984



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2014-10-09 13:42 GMT+02:00 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com:

 This is an excellent event idea, congratulations to Wikimedia Norway for
 organising it.
 It is also a brilliant example of how Chapters and other groups around the
 world can take responsability for topics that have particular
 local relevance to them, and take a leadership role in the worldwide
 movement in the process. In this case (an announcement of global interest,
 but made in a particular building in a particular city) it also highlights
 wikimedia as not just a virtual community, but a physical one, and that the
 two work in tandem.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Nobel Peace Prize announcement and editathon

2014-10-09 Thread Àlex Hinojo
I do agree. In Amical we regularly organize small one-week long online
writing contest regarding local Music Festivals, ComicCons or similar. We
get in touch with new organisations, reach to new communities and get quite
a lot of press atention with relatively small organizing effort and one
small prize.



2014-10-09 13:42 GMT+02:00 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com:

 This is an excellent event idea, congratulations to Wikimedia Norway for
 organising it.
 It is also a brilliant example of how Chapters and other groups around the
 world can take responsability for topics that have particular
 local relevance to them, and take a leadership role in the worldwide
 movement in the process. In this case (an announcement of global interest,
 but made in a particular building in a particular city) it also highlights
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 two work in tandem.

 -Liam / Wittylama


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[Wikimedia-l] Monument for Wikipedia in Poland

2014-10-09 Thread Romaine Wiki
I saw something appear in the media:

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_26694189/poland-honor-wikipedia-monument


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monument for Wikipedia in Poland

2014-10-09 Thread Mathias Schindler
In Poland, Monument loves Wikipedia

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 I saw something appear in the media:

 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_26694189/poland-honor-wikipedia-monument


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monument for Wikipedia in Poland

2014-10-09 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
;-) Actually just one monument :-) By the way our woman wikipedians
complan that only men are holding the globe in this statue :-) So, we
have at least sent a woman - Magalia, to represent our community and
fill a little bit gender gap :-)




2014-10-09 19:52 GMT+02:00 Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com:
 In Poland, Monument loves Wikipedia

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 I saw something appear in the media:

 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_26694189/poland-honor-wikipedia-monument


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monument for Wikipedia in Poland

2014-10-09 Thread Ivan Martínez
Really amazing! So, the monument will have freedom of panorama? ;)

2014-10-09 13:29 GMT-05:00 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:

 ;-) Actually just one monument :-) By the way our woman wikipedians
 complan that only men are holding the globe in this statue :-) So, we
 have at least sent a woman - Magalia, to represent our community and
 fill a little bit gender gap :-)




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  In Poland, Monument loves Wikipedia
 
  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
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  I saw something appear in the media:
 
 
 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_26694189/poland-honor-wikipedia-monument
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread Pine W
Thanks for the detailed comments, Erik.

As someone who spent several volunteer hours reviewing the current Annual
Plan, I would appreciate getting an understanding of how the change of
emphasis to quarterly reviews affects budgets, hiring plans, and
fundraising goals. Is that something that you can address or should I ask
Garfield?

Thanks,
Pine
On Oct 9, 2014 4:44 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

  I'm sure a Board member, Lila, or Erik will correct me if I am mistaken,
  but my understanding is that there is internal agreement at Board level
  that the Product side of the org needs some systemic changes, that Lila
 was
  chosen with the goal of making those changes, and that some changes are
  already happening.

 There's agreement at all levels that we want to continue down the path
 set by Sue back in 2012 [1] for WMF to truly understand itself as a
 technology and grantmaking organization. That path led to where we are
 today:

 1) As part of the ED transition, Sue recommended (and the Board
 accepted the recommendation) to seek an ED with a strong
 technology/product background, and we hired Lila Tretikov as Sue's
 successor who matches those requirements.

 2) In November 2012, I recommended that we prepare for building out
 new functions for UX and Analytics, and prepare for dedicated
 leadership for Engineering and Product. Sue accepted this
 recommendation. I hired Directors for UX and Analytics in 2013,
 followed by Community Engagement in 2014, and finally we hired a VP
 Engineering last week to complete the process.

 3) To better account for the need to learn quickly and adjust course
 as appropriate, we introduced quarterly reviews in December 2012 [3]
 and increasingly reduced the specificity of Annual Plan level
 commitments while increasing the focus on metrics and accountability
 in the reviews.

 4) On the technology and product front, many improvements to process
 and support infrastructure have been implemented in the last couple of
 years, including but not limited to:

 - Development of MediaWiki Vagrant as a standardized dev environment,
 to reduce failure cases due to developer environment inconsistencies
 - Improvements to continuous integration infrastructure for PHP unit
 tests and QUnit JavaScript unit tests, and increased focus (but not
 nearly enough yet) on automated tests, especially for newly developed
 features
 - Introduction and continued improvement of BetaLabs as a staging
 environment for all commits, increased use of automated end-to-end
 browser tests and QA testing by humans to catch bugs and regressions
 prior to production rollouts
 - Introduction and use of various tools for measuring the impact of
 features, including EventLogging as a standard instrumentation
 framework for measuring feature usage, dashboards for visualizing
 usage, WikiMetrics for analyzing editor cohort behavior, Editor
 Engagement Vital Signs for understanding system-wide user behavior,
 analysis of pageview data using Hadoop (just rolled out), etc.
 - Highly specialized automated testing frameworks for specific
 projects, e.g. Parsoid round-trip testing and visual diffing (!) to
 detect dirty diffs or output problems
 - Introduction of design research as a discipline in the UX team
 (through hiring of Abbey Ripstra as User Research Lead)  and
 incorporation of user studies in a much more systematic way across
 products
 - Community liaisons dedicated to key products, responding to user
 feedback and helping Product Managers understand more complex
 community needs
 - Continued shortening of release/deployment cycles; significant
 improvements to deployment tooling, rewriting our legacy scap tools
 to increase the ability to monitor and reason about deployments;
 introduction of daily SWAT deploys to quickly release fixes, etc.
 - Introduction of various infrastructure tools that help us better
 analyze/profile issues, including logstash for log analysis, increased
 use of graphite for performance metrics collection and various
 front-ends for visualizing those metrics
 - Shift towards loosely coupled services, addressing the difficulty of
 maintaining and improving our highly monolithic codebase (examples
 include Parsoid, Citoid, Mathoid, and the new Content API in
 development)
 - Introduction of Beta Features framework to stage features for early
 adopters

 5) The changes Lila has pushed for since we started include:

 - Greater focus on quarterly prioritization and a rolling roadmap
 rather than a fiscal year view of the world
 - Increased emphasis on understanding the needs of different user
 personas at all cycles of software development, including through use
 of qualitative and quantitative methods
 - Reducing velocity of user-facing changes (esp. on desktop) to
 increase focus on foundations (platform/process improvements) that
 ultimately will enable us to move faster and more effectively
 - 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monument for Wikipedia in Poland

2014-10-09 Thread Tar Lócesilion
Yes, it will.

2014-10-09 20:31 GMT+02:00 Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com:

 Really amazing! So, the monument will have freedom of panorama? ;)

 2014-10-09 13:29 GMT-05:00 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:

  ;-) Actually just one monument :-) By the way our woman wikipedians
  complan that only men are holding the globe in this statue :-) So, we
  have at least sent a woman - Magalia, to represent our community and
  fill a little bit gender gap :-)
 
 
 
 
  2014-10-09 19:52 GMT+02:00 Mathias Schindler 
 mathias.schind...@gmail.com
  :
   In Poland, Monument loves Wikipedia
  
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   I saw something appear in the media:
  
  
 
 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_26694189/poland-honor-wikipedia-monument
  
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread Lila Tretikov
We are planning to do a review of alignment/divergence with the plan mid
year. That would be the right time for this discussion as we will have a
good overview/gap analysis at that time.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the detailed comments, Erik.

 As someone who spent several volunteer hours reviewing the current Annual
 Plan, I would appreciate getting an understanding of how the change of
 emphasis to quarterly reviews affects budgets, hiring plans, and
 fundraising goals. Is that something that you can address or should I ask
 Garfield?

 Thanks,
 Pine
 On Oct 9, 2014 4:44 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I'm sure a Board member, Lila, or Erik will correct me if I am
 mistaken,
   but my understanding is that there is internal agreement at Board level
   that the Product side of the org needs some systemic changes, that Lila
  was
   chosen with the goal of making those changes, and that some changes are
   already happening.
 
  There's agreement at all levels that we want to continue down the path
  set by Sue back in 2012 [1] for WMF to truly understand itself as a
  technology and grantmaking organization. That path led to where we are
  today:
 
  1) As part of the ED transition, Sue recommended (and the Board
  accepted the recommendation) to seek an ED with a strong
  technology/product background, and we hired Lila Tretikov as Sue's
  successor who matches those requirements.
 
  2) In November 2012, I recommended that we prepare for building out
  new functions for UX and Analytics, and prepare for dedicated
  leadership for Engineering and Product. Sue accepted this
  recommendation. I hired Directors for UX and Analytics in 2013,
  followed by Community Engagement in 2014, and finally we hired a VP
  Engineering last week to complete the process.
 
  3) To better account for the need to learn quickly and adjust course
  as appropriate, we introduced quarterly reviews in December 2012 [3]
  and increasingly reduced the specificity of Annual Plan level
  commitments while increasing the focus on metrics and accountability
  in the reviews.
 
  4) On the technology and product front, many improvements to process
  and support infrastructure have been implemented in the last couple of
  years, including but not limited to:
 
  - Development of MediaWiki Vagrant as a standardized dev environment,
  to reduce failure cases due to developer environment inconsistencies
  - Improvements to continuous integration infrastructure for PHP unit
  tests and QUnit JavaScript unit tests, and increased focus (but not
  nearly enough yet) on automated tests, especially for newly developed
  features
  - Introduction and continued improvement of BetaLabs as a staging
  environment for all commits, increased use of automated end-to-end
  browser tests and QA testing by humans to catch bugs and regressions
  prior to production rollouts
  - Introduction and use of various tools for measuring the impact of
  features, including EventLogging as a standard instrumentation
  framework for measuring feature usage, dashboards for visualizing
  usage, WikiMetrics for analyzing editor cohort behavior, Editor
  Engagement Vital Signs for understanding system-wide user behavior,
  analysis of pageview data using Hadoop (just rolled out), etc.
  - Highly specialized automated testing frameworks for specific
  projects, e.g. Parsoid round-trip testing and visual diffing (!) to
  detect dirty diffs or output problems
  - Introduction of design research as a discipline in the UX team
  (through hiring of Abbey Ripstra as User Research Lead)  and
  incorporation of user studies in a much more systematic way across
  products
  - Community liaisons dedicated to key products, responding to user
  feedback and helping Product Managers understand more complex
  community needs
  - Continued shortening of release/deployment cycles; significant
  improvements to deployment tooling, rewriting our legacy scap tools
  to increase the ability to monitor and reason about deployments;
  introduction of daily SWAT deploys to quickly release fixes, etc.
  - Introduction of various infrastructure tools that help us better
  analyze/profile issues, including logstash for log analysis, increased
  use of graphite for performance metrics collection and various
  front-ends for visualizing those metrics
  - Shift towards loosely coupled services, addressing the difficulty of
  maintaining and improving our highly monolithic codebase (examples
  include Parsoid, Citoid, Mathoid, and the new Content API in
  development)
  - Introduction of Beta Features framework to stage features for early
  adopters
 
  5) The changes Lila has pushed for since we started include:
 
  - Greater focus on quarterly prioritization and a rolling roadmap
  rather than a fiscal year view of the world
  - Increased emphasis on 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-09 Thread Pine W
Thank you Lila.

Pine
On Oct 9, 2014 11:50 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 We are planning to do a review of alignment/divergence with the plan mid
 year. That would be the right time for this discussion as we will have a
 good overview/gap analysis at that time.

 On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thanks for the detailed comments, Erik.
 
  As someone who spent several volunteer hours reviewing the current Annual
  Plan, I would appreciate getting an understanding of how the change of
  emphasis to quarterly reviews affects budgets, hiring plans, and
  fundraising goals. Is that something that you can address or should I ask
  Garfield?
 
  Thanks,
  Pine
  On Oct 9, 2014 4:44 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
   On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  
I'm sure a Board member, Lila, or Erik will correct me if I am
  mistaken,
but my understanding is that there is internal agreement at Board
 level
that the Product side of the org needs some systemic changes, that
 Lila
   was
chosen with the goal of making those changes, and that some changes
 are
already happening.
  
   There's agreement at all levels that we want to continue down the path
   set by Sue back in 2012 [1] for WMF to truly understand itself as a
   technology and grantmaking organization. That path led to where we are
   today:
  
   1) As part of the ED transition, Sue recommended (and the Board
   accepted the recommendation) to seek an ED with a strong
   technology/product background, and we hired Lila Tretikov as Sue's
   successor who matches those requirements.
  
   2) In November 2012, I recommended that we prepare for building out
   new functions for UX and Analytics, and prepare for dedicated
   leadership for Engineering and Product. Sue accepted this
   recommendation. I hired Directors for UX and Analytics in 2013,
   followed by Community Engagement in 2014, and finally we hired a VP
   Engineering last week to complete the process.
  
   3) To better account for the need to learn quickly and adjust course
   as appropriate, we introduced quarterly reviews in December 2012 [3]
   and increasingly reduced the specificity of Annual Plan level
   commitments while increasing the focus on metrics and accountability
   in the reviews.
  
   4) On the technology and product front, many improvements to process
   and support infrastructure have been implemented in the last couple of
   years, including but not limited to:
  
   - Development of MediaWiki Vagrant as a standardized dev environment,
   to reduce failure cases due to developer environment inconsistencies
   - Improvements to continuous integration infrastructure for PHP unit
   tests and QUnit JavaScript unit tests, and increased focus (but not
   nearly enough yet) on automated tests, especially for newly developed
   features
   - Introduction and continued improvement of BetaLabs as a staging
   environment for all commits, increased use of automated end-to-end
   browser tests and QA testing by humans to catch bugs and regressions
   prior to production rollouts
   - Introduction and use of various tools for measuring the impact of
   features, including EventLogging as a standard instrumentation
   framework for measuring feature usage, dashboards for visualizing
   usage, WikiMetrics for analyzing editor cohort behavior, Editor
   Engagement Vital Signs for understanding system-wide user behavior,
   analysis of pageview data using Hadoop (just rolled out), etc.
   - Highly specialized automated testing frameworks for specific
   projects, e.g. Parsoid round-trip testing and visual diffing (!) to
   detect dirty diffs or output problems
   - Introduction of design research as a discipline in the UX team
   (through hiring of Abbey Ripstra as User Research Lead)  and
   incorporation of user studies in a much more systematic way across
   products
   - Community liaisons dedicated to key products, responding to user
   feedback and helping Product Managers understand more complex
   community needs
   - Continued shortening of release/deployment cycles; significant
   improvements to deployment tooling, rewriting our legacy scap tools
   to increase the ability to monitor and reason about deployments;
   introduction of daily SWAT deploys to quickly release fixes, etc.
   - Introduction of various infrastructure tools that help us better
   analyze/profile issues, including logstash for log analysis, increased
   use of graphite for performance metrics collection and various
   front-ends for visualizing those metrics
   - Shift towards loosely coupled services, addressing the difficulty of
   maintaining and improving our highly monolithic codebase (examples
   include Parsoid, Citoid, Mathoid, and the new Content API in
   development)
   - Introduction of Beta Features framework to stage features for early
   adopters
  
   5) The changes Lila has 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Cascadia] Quarterly goals for WMF Legal

2014-10-09 Thread Kirill Lokshin
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Establishing timeline commitments for Affcom to respond to requests for
 approvals or for Affcom to ask new questions about a requested approval.
 Having approval requests stay open for weeks with no communication from
 Affcom creates challenges for thematic orgs which are working on our own
 timelines that may have dependencies on Affcom action. I have experienced
 this myself and have heard about similar issues happening with other
 requests. I suggest that Affcom have a commitment that all inquiries will
 recieve substantive responses within 14 days of the date of the inquiry, or
 otherwise Legal will take over the handling of the inquiry so that progress
 of thorgs can continue in a timely manner.

Hi Pine,

I feel obliged to point out that, while AffCom works closely with the Legal
team, we're not actually part of it.  Any suggestions you have for
improvements to the AffCom workflow should really be addressed to the
committee, not to Geoff.

Cheers,
Kirill
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Offline-l] Bug day: Book tool/Collection/PDF, 2014-10-08, 14–22 UTC

2014-10-09 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart

On 09.10.2014 00:35, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

And it's over! We reached our immediate goal, closing all the lost
PediaPress tickets (80 before the bug day); and about 40 new bugzilla
reports were filed, including some tricky ones about language support.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage/201410 has a dump
from the etherpad and will be updated with more precise information.
Give a look at the bugzilla reports!

Thanks to all the participants: Andre Klapper, Anomie, Azitrex, bawolff,
Helder, John Vandenberg, Kelson, Nemo, Raymond, Reedy, Rupert, saper,
Steinsplitter, csteipp, ebraminio, jem, josu, kepper, valhallasw`cloud.
(And probably someone else in bugzilla at the same time.)


Thank you Nemo for having organised this!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reminder: Damon Sicore office hours in 5 minutes

2014-10-09 Thread James Alexander
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Log of this office hours:
 http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-office/20141009.txt

 (Will also be posted on Meta)

 Risker=


Thanks Risker,

It Is indeed at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2014-10-09

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-10-09 Thread Matthew Flaschen

On 09/02/2014 03:27 PM, pi zero wrote:

The templates are extremely complicated in implementation, which is
irrelevant.  If templates were rejected based on extremely complicated
implementation, that would rule out essentially everything that uses
Scribuntu under the hood.


I don't agree with this.  Scribunto is a new language to learn (Lua), 
but that language is far easier for complicated work than parser 
functions are for complicated work.


Matt Flaschen


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-10-09 Thread Matthew Flaschen

On 09/03/2014 07:08 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:

(Wouldn't it be nice if all skins could be written in Lua + LESS
stored as wikipages on the wiki, instead of distributed as php files;
I know of one LESS skin which works well:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Chameleon ; are there others?)


Vector?

It's now all LESS except the jQuery UI styling.

Matt Flaschen


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-10-09 Thread Matthew Flaschen
I agree with the general thrust of Brad's points.  There are some known 
major issues with templating (styling, unreadable parser functions, and 
templates being used for data like Information on Commons are the most 
important ones).


However, these do not all have the same solutions.  Some issues are in a 
bit stalled but the idea is known (e.g. 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templates). 
 Others have an understood solution (e.g. Wikidata for meta-data of the 
sort used on Commons).


Finally, I consider the unreadable parser functions problem 
essentially solved.  Lua is not perfect, but it's a usable language (and 
not a Mediawiki-specific one) that is far more readable and writable 
than complicated nested parser functions.


I think we should standardize on JavaScript (for interactivity) and 
Scribunto (for business logic that supports templates) as the on-wiki 
languages for non-trivial logic, leaving the wikitext template side for 
simple presentation.


Matt Flaschen

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly goals for WMF Legal

2014-10-09 Thread Stephen LaPorte
Hello Pine,

I am happy to speak with you specifically about turn-around time, so that
we get your question resolved quickly and find solutions that may improve
the process for others.

Overall, we try to be quite responsive. In cases that do take time, it is
likely because there are unusual circumstances that require background work
or internal and community coordination, and we may need to triage and
prioritize appropriately given our resources and other factors. I am not
sure that a 14-day turn around timeline makes sense for all cases. In
legal, we handle a range of other portfolios with a high level of
complexity, so this would result in some variance. Sometimes our responses
may take longer than we like, but I think our turn around time is often
much shorter than 14 days for most standard questions. Movement role
questions often require time for coordination with various stakeholders
internally and externally, and that may add to the response time as well.

As I say, please feel free to email me, and we will try to expedite a
response to your specific question.

Best,
Stephen

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Geoff,

 In light of the above discussion about quarterly reviews on Wikimedia-l,
 can we find a set of quarterly goals for Legal somewhere?

 In particular I personally feel that the following would be helpful as
 goals for Legal this quarter:

 * Establishing timeline commitments for Affcom to respond to requests for
 approvals or for Affcom to ask new questions about a requested approval.
 Having approval requests stay open for weeks with no communication from
 Affcom creates challenges for thematic orgs which are working on our own
 timelines that may have dependencies on Affcom action. I have experienced
 this myself and have heard about similar issues happening with other
 requests. I suggest that Affcom have a commitment that all inquiries will
 recieve substantive responses within 14 days of the date of the inquiry, or
 otherwise Legal will take over the handling of the inquiry so that progress
 of thorgs can continue in a timely manner.

 * Similarly, establishing timeline commitments for Legal to respond to
 community and thematic org inquiries. I have experiened lengthy  delays on
 more than one occasion about what I feel are simple questions. I feel that
 a commitment that Legal will respond substantively to inquiries within 14
 days would be helpful, and would appreciated by the community and thematic
 orgs.

 Thanks very much.

 Regards,

 Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-10-09 Thread pi zero
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 Finally, I consider the unreadable parser functions problem essentially
 solved.  Lua is not perfect, but it's a usable language (and not a
 Mediawiki-specific one) that is far more readable and writable than
 complicated nested parser functions.


I see replacing unreadable parser functions with Lua as replacing one
bad solution with a differently bad solution.  Since the problems of the
second are different from those of the first, it's possible to claim the
second solves the problems of the first, but that's a bit lame.  The
problems of Lua should have been anticipated, and should have been avoided
by finding a better solution; and settling for a differently bad solution
is just a different way of settling for a bad solution.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-10-09 Thread Romaine Wiki
Lua makes editing templates for most users impossible. Perhaps the English
community has enough users to handle all edit requests for Lua templates,
most smaller wikis have too less users to do that. It is not just creating
a Lua template, but also that the local communities on various wikis need
to be able to maintain those templates when an update is needed or a
changed is wished for. Depending on other projects is a bad scenario which
is not an acceptable solution.

I also do not see why it is considered easier... it is actually not easier.
The general rule which is applied for the wikis I am active is that almost
all templates should be editable by the majority of the community and we
should not rely on a small number of users with programming skills. And
learning an extra method for editing templates is the other way round,
which absolutely does not make editing templates easier but creates an
extra doorstep for users to do simple updates.

Another general rule applied is KISS: if we can make it simple such is
recommended over a complex template with little or no extra functionality.
With a complex template, the first question to be asked is if a complex
template is really needed. In most cases it is not. Problem solved.

Romaine


2014-10-10 1:40 GMT+02:00 Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org:

 On 09/02/2014 03:27 PM, pi zero wrote:

 The templates are extremely complicated in implementation, which is
 irrelevant.  If templates were rejected based on extremely complicated
 implementation, that would rule out essentially everything that uses
 Scribuntu under the hood.


 I don't agree with this.  Scribunto is a new language to learn (Lua), but
 that language is far easier for complicated work than parser functions are
 for complicated work.

 Matt Flaschen


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monument for Wikipedia in Poland

2014-10-09 Thread Romaine Wiki
Forwarded on request:

de:
http://www.cp.edu.pl/de/public_relations/startsite_news/spalte_4_oben/wikipedia/pomnik-wikipedii/index.html
pl:
http://www.cp.edu.pl/pl/public_relations/startsite_news/spalte_4_oben/wikipedia/pomnik-wikipedii/index.html

and:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Berlin#Mittwoch.2C_22._Oktober_2014:_Er.C3.B6ffnung_eines_Wikipedia-Denkmals_in_S.C5.82ubice

2014-10-09 20:49 GMT+02:00 Tar Lócesilion tar.locesil...@gmail.com:

 Yes, it will.

 2014-10-09 20:31 GMT+02:00 Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com:

  Really amazing! So, the monument will have freedom of panorama? ;)
 
  2014-10-09 13:29 GMT-05:00 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:
 
   ;-) Actually just one monument :-) By the way our woman wikipedians
   complan that only men are holding the globe in this statue :-) So, we
   have at least sent a woman - Magalia, to represent our community and
   fill a little bit gender gap :-)
  
  
  
  
   2014-10-09 19:52 GMT+02:00 Mathias Schindler 
  mathias.schind...@gmail.com
   :
In Poland, Monument loves Wikipedia
   
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
 
   wrote:
I saw something appear in the media:
   
   
  
 
 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_26694189/poland-honor-wikipedia-monument
   
   
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[Wikimedia-l] Comment time for IEG Grants proposal

2014-10-09 Thread Patrick Earley
For our second round of Individual Engagement Grant applications in 2014,
we have a great crop of ideas. Wikimedians have dropped by to offer
feedback, support, or expertise to some of the proposals, but many
proposals have not been reviewed by community members.

If there is an open proposal that interests you, that you have concerns
about, or that involves an area where you have experience or expertise,
please drop by the proposal page to share your views.  This will help the
proposers better hone their strategies, and will assist the IEG Committee
in evaluating some of these fresh new ideas to improve Wikimedia projects.
Working with an IEG proposal may even inspire you to serve as a project
advisor, or to propose one of your own for the next cycle!  Comments are
requested until October 20th.

IEG Grant Proposals
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-reviewing

Regards,

-- 
Patrick Earley
Community Advocate
Wikimedia Foundation
pear...@wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Offline-l] Bug day: Book tool/Collection/PDF, 2014-10-08, 14–22 UTC

2014-10-09 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Yes, thank you all so much!

I've been busy trying to fix as many of the issues found as possible.

Note that I'll be on vacation next week (2014-10-11 - 2014-10-17) so
don't panic if my latency increases.  Keep filing those bugs and I'll
keep squashing them when I get back.
  --scott

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment time for IEG Grants proposal

2014-10-09 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
Thank you for this reminder.

As I see, the IEG system has attracted many innovative ideas on how to
integrate the efforts and wisdom of a multitude of communities and evolve
sustainable long term models that can be scaled up globally. To that
extend, each IEG proposal is worth detailed study not just for a one time
review but as a set of community-derived innovative ideas that can be
probed and analyzed to determine how to move forward in our quest to
collect and show case the entire totality of human knowledge ever generated.

I urge every Wikimedians to go through these proposals and even corroborate
on a secondary level idea generation so that eventually we can start
designing the framework for a Wikimedia version 2.0

-Viswam

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Patrick Earley pear...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 For our second round of Individual Engagement Grant applications in 2014,
 we have a great crop of ideas. Wikimedians have dropped by to offer
 feedback, support, or expertise to some of the proposals, but many
 proposals have not been reviewed by community members.

 If there is an open proposal that interests you, that you have concerns
 about, or that involves an area where you have experience or expertise,
 please drop by the proposal page to share your views.  This will help the
 proposers better hone their strategies, and will assist the IEG Committee
 in evaluating some of these fresh new ideas to improve Wikimedia projects.
 Working with an IEG proposal may even inspire you to serve as a project
 advisor, or to propose one of your own for the next cycle!  Comments are
 requested until October 20th.

 IEG Grant Proposals
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-reviewing

 Regards,

 --
 Patrick Earley
 Community Advocate
 Wikimedia Foundation
 pear...@wikimedia.org
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