Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can, uh, research and write about various types of whisky. Cheers, Craig On 25 November 2014 at 18:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: And next the wine project? Count me in. On 24 November 2014 at 18:22, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Good news everyone, Cheese articles are gonna get improved! As french, it was dreadful for us to see so few illustrations of cheese on Wikipedia. This is about to change. A group of french Wikimedians, lead by Pierre-Yves Beaudouin, designed a project to photograph many cheeses, up to 200 for the moment. This project is perticular as we aim to have it found through a french crowdfunding platform, KissKissBankBank. Of course Wikimedia France could have funded it itself, but we wanted to use the project as a way to get the larger audience aware of their ability to contribute and to give a fun image of contributing. The project in few words iss follow : * 10 cheeses per session * During the session the cheeses are photographed and their articles improved * During the sessions experimented wikimedian would train new editors * At every session every participant would enjoy eating good cheese too If you want to read more, or even contribute, about the project you can go on KissKissBankBank : http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/wikicheese If you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them on or off list. All the best, -- Christophe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Consultant to Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
Me too me too! But before, Brussels on beer. Aubrey On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can, uh, research and write about various types of whisky. Cheers, Craig On 25 November 2014 at 18:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: And next the wine project? Count me in. On 24 November 2014 at 18:22, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Good news everyone, Cheese articles are gonna get improved! As french, it was dreadful for us to see so few illustrations of cheese on Wikipedia. This is about to change. A group of french Wikimedians, lead by Pierre-Yves Beaudouin, designed a project to photograph many cheeses, up to 200 for the moment. This project is perticular as we aim to have it found through a french crowdfunding platform, KissKissBankBank. Of course Wikimedia France could have funded it itself, but we wanted to use the project as a way to get the larger audience aware of their ability to contribute and to give a fun image of contributing. The project in few words iss follow : * 10 cheeses per session * During the session the cheeses are photographed and their articles improved * During the sessions experimented wikimedian would train new editors * At every session every participant would enjoy eating good cheese too If you want to read more, or even contribute, about the project you can go on KissKissBankBank : http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/wikicheese If you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them on or off list. All the best, -- Christophe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Consultant to Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
I'm going to second Liam's comment here, it is disappointing that we're discussing this here but the Foundation is not coming to the party and explaining why they are doing these things. They're creating an information void, and a void *will* be filled somehow; if the WMF is not proactive in filling it with the real story, it'll be filled with rumours and misinformation, the sort of stuff that inhibits the movement from achieving its goals. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a reasonably prompt answer to the sort of questions being posed here in a respectful fashion. I've copied in Megan Hernandez, the Director of Online Fundraising in the hope of getting a comment, just in case she's not aware of this discussion. Cheers, Craig Franklin On 27 November 2014 at 21:44, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: This notwithstanding, I think the issue *yet again*, is a lack of communication with the relevant community members when a decision is taken that affects them. In this case, at minimum, the French OTRS team - who are apparently receiving complaints that Wikipedia is affected by a virus! So can I reiterate my reqeust from the other day: If you're going to change something, tell the affected people before you change it (or as soon as possible afterwards). Please don't wait for the public to raise concerns with volunteers, who then complain to the WMF, before offering an explanation. And on that note, regarding the fundraising concerns from last week, have the Dutch or Russian communities received responses to their questions yet? -Liam On 27 November 2014 at 11:35, Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I think I'll pass on the actual content of the message that talks about Commercial not being a Monster and The Bad. (and yes I know, these are in a negative sentence but... seriously?). This banner looks like an obituary I find. Where are the cool banners on green leafy foresty background? Those were the days ;) I know that a lot of thought goes into crafting the best messages for fundraising banners, I also know that the testing is thorough, and decisions are made with real data. But sometimes I find we might be forgetting the number of people we actually scare *away* with things like this. Not sure that's data we can acquire, but looking at this banner I am losing faith in my fellow French if they really respond to something like this more than they do to positive and cheerful looking messages). *sigh* Delphine On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:44 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: Didn't we have the lightbox argument last year? Probably. Or the year before. Or the year before that. I did say (again) in the subject line. ;-) There are various discussions popping up across Wikimedia about these banners. It didn't help that a bug earlier this week caused logged-in users to be hit with them as well. Talk about eating your own dog food. The French Wikipedia held what appears to be a straw poll with overwhelming denouncement of the banner. It's also been repeatedly described as a phishing attempt. Complaints and confusion aren't uncommon during any annual fundraiser, but I think we can and should hold ourselves to a higher standard when begging people for money. As pointed out on Meta-Wiki's Wikimedia Forum by Jules78120, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Usage_guidelines is pretty clear that the (primary) goal is that banners be as unobtrusive as possible. I wrote this in May 2011, I believe deliberately outside of the annual fundraising that takes place in December so that we could have a calm and reasonable discussion about appropriate CentralNotice usage. Sigh. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- @notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost. Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia
Update: now we have something about 2 weeks without explanations and without fundraising in Russia. WMF, are you still with us? :) Linar 2014-11-16 13:36 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Nov 14, 2014 10:00 PM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com wrote: That's not the first, and even not the 10th attempt of our authorities to create own Wikipedia, own YouTube and so on. They will talk about it, they could even spend some budget but it's not likely to result in something that will be sustainable and popular. If you try something enough of times, while learning from your previous mistakes, you will eventually succeed. That's something which state bureaucracies know, while we didn't learn yet. There are numerous projects existing in the wild, which cover particular topic better than Wikipedia. The only larger encyclopedia in specific language is the Chinese one (Baidu's one, if I remember well). I could list a number of Wikipedia language editions, which could be easily become irrelevant with not that much of money and decent organization. Among them, there is at least one very large language (though, not Russian; though, Russian authorities are capable to put much more resources into the project). Keep in mind that what is important to us is not important to the vast majority of intellectual elites all over the world. Most importantly, free license. If Russian authorities create a framework which would reasonably cover the issue of free accessibility, it would be practically the same for Russian (and not just Russian) scholars willing to share their knowledge. If you add over that a kind of stricter hierarchical approach to publishing materials, scholars would actually prefer that encyclopedia instead of Wikipedia. And if that becomes a successful model, we'd lose other projects, one by one. At some point of time it wouldn't be a matter of global politics anymore, but our model would become obsolete. They won't get their own movement, but we will lose our own. Except if we realize that we are dealing *now* with the future of our existence and start working on that as soon as possible, as better as we know. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimenting on Wikimedians
David Gerard, 19/11/2014 13:12: The increase in efficiency through the banner campaign has been truly remarkable! Are you able to provide data for any of these claims? If you take a moment to do the obvious thing and look on Meta, specifically at the obvious page ([[Fundraising]]), you'll see links to that exact thing. I've read that page several times and I'm unable to provide the data you claim it contains. I've asked data 20 months ago and it's not been provided yet. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2012/Report Neom ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Issue on Dutch Wikipedia in relation to BLP violating images
It is with some degree of sadness that I have to bring this to wikimedia-l, but it's something that has to be done I am afraid In December 2011, I dealt with an OTRS complaint by an individual relating to a photograph of her which was being used in her articles on Wikipedia. She was not happy with the image. Inline with the WMF Resolution dealing with images of living people,[1] I followed: Treat any person who has a complaint about images of themselves hosted on our projects with patience, kindness, and respect, and encourage others to do the same. The image[2] was removed from the article and replaced with another suitable image. The subject also provided another image via OTRS.[3] Fast forward to November 2014, and on Dutch Wikipedia an editor known as EvilFreD performed what is known as BTNI reverts over numerous of my edits going back several years. It's one of the most pathetic policies on any project, which basically says that with no thought on how poor an image is, it should never be replaced without two months of mindless discussion.[4] EvilFreD has left a message on my talk page and I responded to him informing him of the complaint about this image.[5] After my revert noting BLP, another admin, MoiraMoira has left a message on my talk page.[6] Given the timeframe (2 minutes) it is possible she didn't see it, so I asked her to please look at the above note to EvilFreD. Her response: Hello, I'm very clear here: this is the Dutch wikipedia. And there is no space to troll or challenge other people. If you continue this behaviour, a timeout will follow. You should know better. My removal, because Moira refused to do so, is met with one of the most pathetic, trollish comments I have seen;[7] an insistence that I speak in Dutch, not English. MoiraMoira then immediately protects the article. Is this treating people who complaints about themselves with kindness and respect? Or is there something else going on on Dutch Wikipedia that I don't care to know about? It's not the first time I have met such resistance for the removal of problematic images on Dutch Wikipedia, as was demonstrated here.[8][9] Given the trollish nature of comments directed towards myself, and the threats of blocks by MoiraMoira if I dare to challenge them on this issue, would someone who has the patience to deal with such behaviour please intervene and deal with this issue. Be mindful, you will need to speak Dutch, and will also be willing to divulge private information from OTRS in order to satisfy the people on this project. Also, please note, that in discussion with the subject she was fine in having the image kept on Commons, but didn't want it used in her article in the infobox. I think this is the least we can do for article subjects on our projects. Regards Russavia [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justine_bateman_7-10-2007.jpg [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justine_Bateman_NYC.jpg [4] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BTNI [5] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#BTNI [6] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#Bewerkingsoorlog [7] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justine_Batemandiff=42577573oldid=42577394 [8] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#Image_on_Prostitutie_in_Thailand [9] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:9.000919_Pattaya_streetscene5.jpg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up
Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: while, as I said, I have no particular interest in defending WMDE and have not even read their proposal, let me say that I would find that a preposterous measure of success/failure. You can't just look at a time series of the number of editors and say good trend - congrats, chapter / bad trend - oh, guess the chapter did a bad job. What tells you that if a project is experiencing a 10% decline of its editor base from year 1 to year 2 that it wouldn't have lost 20% without the chapter's activities? Indeed; blaming WMDE for the number of editors in de.wiki is less ridiculous than asking immediate disbanding of WMF for the editor decline. Back to serious numbers: https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryDE.htm If you check the graphs for active editors and desktop page views, the two lines are curiously parallel. Coincidence? Yes, several of the biggest Wikipedias are quickly rushing to their death in few years; nobody is doing anything. Cf. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_sudden_decline_of_Italian_Wikipedia Note the different scales on the time axes, though. But I think the bigger problem will not be the number of ac- tive editors, but the quality of the corpus if the majority of editors indeed fixes articles on a train or in a lift. Tim ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Issue on Dutch Wikipedia in relation to BLP violating images
Hi Russavia, whether or not you are right, please note that you are apparently considered a troll by the Dutch community, which might have influenced the exchange. (I did not read up much on the affair, but I think this is a relevant observation in general). Best, Lodewijk On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: It is with some degree of sadness that I have to bring this to wikimedia-l, but it's something that has to be done I am afraid In December 2011, I dealt with an OTRS complaint by an individual relating to a photograph of her which was being used in her articles on Wikipedia. She was not happy with the image. Inline with the WMF Resolution dealing with images of living people,[1] I followed: Treat any person who has a complaint about images of themselves hosted on our projects with patience, kindness, and respect, and encourage others to do the same. The image[2] was removed from the article and replaced with another suitable image. The subject also provided another image via OTRS.[3] Fast forward to November 2014, and on Dutch Wikipedia an editor known as EvilFreD performed what is known as BTNI reverts over numerous of my edits going back several years. It's one of the most pathetic policies on any project, which basically says that with no thought on how poor an image is, it should never be replaced without two months of mindless discussion.[4] EvilFreD has left a message on my talk page and I responded to him informing him of the complaint about this image.[5] After my revert noting BLP, another admin, MoiraMoira has left a message on my talk page.[6] Given the timeframe (2 minutes) it is possible she didn't see it, so I asked her to please look at the above note to EvilFreD. Her response: Hello, I'm very clear here: this is the Dutch wikipedia. And there is no space to troll or challenge other people. If you continue this behaviour, a timeout will follow. You should know better. My removal, because Moira refused to do so, is met with one of the most pathetic, trollish comments I have seen;[7] an insistence that I speak in Dutch, not English. MoiraMoira then immediately protects the article. Is this treating people who complaints about themselves with kindness and respect? Or is there something else going on on Dutch Wikipedia that I don't care to know about? It's not the first time I have met such resistance for the removal of problematic images on Dutch Wikipedia, as was demonstrated here.[8][9] Given the trollish nature of comments directed towards myself, and the threats of blocks by MoiraMoira if I dare to challenge them on this issue, would someone who has the patience to deal with such behaviour please intervene and deal with this issue. Be mindful, you will need to speak Dutch, and will also be willing to divulge private information from OTRS in order to satisfy the people on this project. Also, please note, that in discussion with the subject she was fine in having the image kept on Commons, but didn't want it used in her article in the infobox. I think this is the least we can do for article subjects on our projects. Regards Russavia [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justine_bateman_7-10-2007.jpg [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justine_Bateman_NYC.jpg [4] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BTNI [5] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#BTNI [6] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#Bewerkingsoorlog [7] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justine_Batemandiff=42577573oldid=42577394 [8] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#Image_on_Prostitutie_in_Thailand [9] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:9.000919_Pattaya_streetscene5.jpg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all
Forget about Scotland and Belgium, We have all you need in Switzerland, come before we close the chapter! https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Balvenie_bottle.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chimay_triple.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Quality_images_supported_by_Wikimedia_CH_-_Photo_studio Charles Ps: sorry for the poor quality of the picture but the mailing list has a 100ko limit policy! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Issue on Dutch Wikipedia in relation to BLP violating images
Quick and easy: don't bother with the Dutch Wikipedia. It is one of the more toxic environments on the internet. :) On 28 November 2014 at 14:47, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: It is with some degree of sadness that I have to bring this to wikimedia-l, but it's something that has to be done I am afraid In December 2011, I dealt with an OTRS complaint by an individual relating to a photograph of her which was being used in her articles on Wikipedia. She was not happy with the image. Inline with the WMF Resolution dealing with images of living people,[1] I followed: Treat any person who has a complaint about images of themselves hosted on our projects with patience, kindness, and respect, and encourage others to do the same. The image[2] was removed from the article and replaced with another suitable image. The subject also provided another image via OTRS.[3] Fast forward to November 2014, and on Dutch Wikipedia an editor known as EvilFreD performed what is known as BTNI reverts over numerous of my edits going back several years. It's one of the most pathetic policies on any project, which basically says that with no thought on how poor an image is, it should never be replaced without two months of mindless discussion.[4] EvilFreD has left a message on my talk page and I responded to him informing him of the complaint about this image.[5] After my revert noting BLP, another admin, MoiraMoira has left a message on my talk page.[6] Given the timeframe (2 minutes) it is possible she didn't see it, so I asked her to please look at the above note to EvilFreD. Her response: Hello, I'm very clear here: this is the Dutch wikipedia. And there is no space to troll or challenge other people. If you continue this behaviour, a timeout will follow. You should know better. My removal, because Moira refused to do so, is met with one of the most pathetic, trollish comments I have seen;[7] an insistence that I speak in Dutch, not English. MoiraMoira then immediately protects the article. Is this treating people who complaints about themselves with kindness and respect? Or is there something else going on on Dutch Wikipedia that I don't care to know about? It's not the first time I have met such resistance for the removal of problematic images on Dutch Wikipedia, as was demonstrated here.[8][9] Given the trollish nature of comments directed towards myself, and the threats of blocks by MoiraMoira if I dare to challenge them on this issue, would someone who has the patience to deal with such behaviour please intervene and deal with this issue. Be mindful, you will need to speak Dutch, and will also be willing to divulge private information from OTRS in order to satisfy the people on this project. Also, please note, that in discussion with the subject she was fine in having the image kept on Commons, but didn't want it used in her article in the infobox. I think this is the least we can do for article subjects on our projects. Regards Russavia [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Images_of_identifiable_people [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justine_bateman_7-10-2007.jpg [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justine_Bateman_NYC.jpg [4] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BTNI [5] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#BTNI [6] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#Bewerkingsoorlog [7] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Justine_Batemandiff=42577573oldid=42577394 [8] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Russavia#Image_on_Prostitutie_in_Thailand [9] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:9.000919_Pattaya_streetscene5.jpg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Issue on Dutch Wikipedia in relation to BLP violating images
Michel, I agree the atmosphere there is extremely toxic. For the record, I have now been indefinitely blocked on Dutch Wikipedia for raising serious concerns on Commons about one of their clique. Concerns which involved incontrovertible evidence that they have been accessing materials on Commons which was deleted due to privacy concerns and then passed around to others who wouldn't otherwise have that access. The unfunny part about it all, is that this only came to light after I publicly told MoiraMoira that given it was me who deleted privacy related images on Commons as they related to her, she should have more understanding on issues when subjects of articles have complaints about images of themselves. It then lead to that evidence being provided to me within minutes. The person who provided me the evidence has also been indefinitely blocked on Dutch Wikipedia, ostensibly for providing me with the evidence which included the person's first name -- a first name that was well known to me by way of discussion many years ago when we introduced ourselves privately on IRC. So, I agree wholeheartedly about their abusive and toxic environment, and don't really take any notice to those on there who call me a troll, for it is those people on Dutch Wikipedia who are playing unacceptable games in outright violation of the WMF Board resolution. They think they are punishing me, they are not; they are punishing the subject of the article. Regards, Russavia On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: Quick and easy: don't bother with the Dutch Wikipedia. It is one of the more toxic environments on the internet. :) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2014 Evaluation Survey Results Posted!
Chris, We have not run any between groups analyses but do plan to explore that particular question, along with a few others, for our overall conferences reporting yet to come. Please feel welcome to share any additional questions or comments about the survey data on the talk page. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Case_studies/Wikimania_London_Survey_Results Best regards, Jaime -- Jaime Anstee, Ph.D Program Evaluation Specialist Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 ext 6869 www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! *https://donate.wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/* On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Maria - really interesting to see such a thorough evaluation - as well as good to see very positive feedback for the event. I wondered out of curiousity if there was any discernable difference in responses between long-term Wikimedians and people with less previous exposure to the Wikimedia movement? Thanks, Chris On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Maria Cruz mc...@wikimedia.org wrote: *tl;dr: *You can find the results of the Wikimania 2014 Evaluation Survey on Wikimedia Commons *[1]* Greetings, Today we posted a slide deck summarizing data from the Wikimania evaluation survey from this year’s event in London. The survey was a collaborative effort of the Wikimania Conference and Hackathon organizers and the WMF Learning and Evaluation team. Conferences and hackathons had been identified as key programs to develop evaluation insight. Given the opportunity to collaborate on an evaluation survey, WMF team members partnered with conference and hackathon organizers to provide the technical support to complete the survey project. This first survey offers a look into the processes and outcomes of the conference. It is intended as a means for participants to share what they got out of the conference and a platform to collect information on how we can improve future conferences and their evaluation. We have released a basic data summary and meta page with brief highlights of the survey and link to a pdf slide deck published to Commons *[1]*. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Case_studies/Wikimania_London_Survey_Results == Methodology == * Online survey via Qualtrics *[2]* * Data collection: ** August 10th – September 15th, 2014 ** Conference participants: 1520 ** Survey Respondents: n=792 (52% of conference participants) === The Conference Overall === * Participants were highly satisfied with the conference overall. * 91% of respondents rated the conference as Good (48%) or Excellent (43%) * 87% indicated their expectations had been met (48%) or exceeded (39%) * The most named benefits of attending Wikimania were meeting people and finding out about projects. Favorite talks: 1. Creative Ways to Alienate Women Online: A How To Guide for Wikipedians (by Steven Walling and Maryana Pinchuk) 2. Which Law Applies to Wikipedia (by Tobias Lutzi) 3. Raph Koster: A Theory of Fun 4. Jack Andraka 5. Education (by members of the Wiki Ed Foundation and Education Collaborative) Please visit the page *[3]* for basic details or follow the links to the slide deck *[1]*. The complete survey data are available upon request and will be used by both the conference and the hackathon planning groups for their use in planning for future events and their evaluation. In addition, the Learning and Evaluation team will also work to review and incorporate these results, along with evaluation data from other conferences, in the second round of Program Evaluation reports currently in progress. The conference financial report is also underway, however, it will also be available sometime in the new year. Keep an eye out for these additional points of reporting to become available in early 2015! On behalf of all who have collaborated in this evaluation survey, those who helped with its development, the 792 participants who completed it, and those involved in the its analysis, and now, interpretation: thank you for your time, attention, and support! We are happy to be part in this collective learning about Wikimedia conferences and hackathons. Your questions are welcome, and encouraged, on the talk page. *María Cruz * \\ Community Coordinator, PED Team \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. mc...@wikimedia.org | : @marianarra_ https://twitter.com/marianarra_ *[1] Summary Slide Deck* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2014_Participant_Survey_-_Data_Summary.pdf *[2] Survey Items*
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
Hi everyone, Sending an update to let you know that we've heard your concerns and to thank you for your feedback. We're working on some new banners including a version without the overlay to try out based on feedback you've shared. Our banners are always a work in progress, they will continue to evolve and improve. We'll send an email update on Monday. Have a good weekend, Megan On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: I'm going to second Liam's comment here, it is disappointing that we're discussing this here but the Foundation is not coming to the party and explaining why they are doing these things. They're creating an information void, and a void *will* be filled somehow; if the WMF is not proactive in filling it with the real story, it'll be filled with rumours and misinformation, the sort of stuff that inhibits the movement from achieving its goals. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a reasonably prompt answer to the sort of questions being posed here in a respectful fashion. I've copied in Megan Hernandez, the Director of Online Fundraising in the hope of getting a comment, just in case she's not aware of this discussion. Cheers, Craig Franklin On 27 November 2014 at 21:44, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: This notwithstanding, I think the issue *yet again*, is a lack of communication with the relevant community members when a decision is taken that affects them. In this case, at minimum, the French OTRS team - who are apparently receiving complaints that Wikipedia is affected by a virus! So can I reiterate my reqeust from the other day: If you're going to change something, tell the affected people before you change it (or as soon as possible afterwards). Please don't wait for the public to raise concerns with volunteers, who then complain to the WMF, before offering an explanation. And on that note, regarding the fundraising concerns from last week, have the Dutch or Russian communities received responses to their questions yet? -Liam On 27 November 2014 at 11:35, Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I think I'll pass on the actual content of the message that talks about Commercial not being a Monster and The Bad. (and yes I know, these are in a negative sentence but... seriously?). This banner looks like an obituary I find. Where are the cool banners on green leafy foresty background? Those were the days ;) I know that a lot of thought goes into crafting the best messages for fundraising banners, I also know that the testing is thorough, and decisions are made with real data. But sometimes I find we might be forgetting the number of people we actually scare *away* with things like this. Not sure that's data we can acquire, but looking at this banner I am losing faith in my fellow French if they really respond to something like this more than they do to positive and cheerful looking messages). *sigh* Delphine On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:44 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: Didn't we have the lightbox argument last year? Probably. Or the year before. Or the year before that. I did say (again) in the subject line. ;-) There are various discussions popping up across Wikimedia about these banners. It didn't help that a bug earlier this week caused logged-in users to be hit with them as well. Talk about eating your own dog food. The French Wikipedia held what appears to be a straw poll with overwhelming denouncement of the banner. It's also been repeatedly described as a phishing attempt. Complaints and confusion aren't uncommon during any annual fundraiser, but I think we can and should hold ourselves to a higher standard when begging people for money. As pointed out on Meta-Wiki's Wikimedia Forum by Jules78120, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Usage_guidelines is pretty clear that the (primary) goal is that banners be as unobtrusive as possible. I wrote this in May 2011, I believe deliberately outside of the annual fundraising that takes place in December so that we could have a calm and reasonable discussion about appropriate CentralNotice usage. Sigh. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- @notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost. Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org Photos with simple eyes:
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
All, The local chapter processes payments in Switzerland and manages fundraising banners and payment systems implementation. WMF is not running fundraising banners in Switzerland. If you spot any problems or issues, please do inform the local chapter. Thanks, Pats On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:35 AM, charles andrès (WMCH) charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: I just try and I am randomly redirected to the localize page or the WMF page….. Le 27 nov. 2014 à 09:20, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com a écrit : The day before yesterday I was presented a fundraising banner in Switzerland which redirects to the donation page of Wmf, contrary the chapters page. Rupert On Nov 26, 2014 3:18 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Just following up, Has WMNL now received the sought information? sincerely, Kim Bruning On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 08:42:01AM +0100, Lodewijk wrote: It seems everyone agrees it is an important method (although I'm not 100% sure that the US based people running the fundraiser fully comprehend - I am assuming this is the case), but there seems to be some reason why the WMF chooses to not make this option easily available. A reason they choose not to disclose, but to be fuzzy about. I'm very sorry about this, and as Liam says, this fits in a trend with the Russian people no longer being allowed to donate. Maybe the two are connected, but this is all speculation. I'm sorry to see these steps back from the more open attitude there was a few years back. It feels very much that we are, as a community, being fed canned press answers. But then, maybe there's a real need for that and there's a huge legal threat to making it easy to donate through bank transfer that cannot be disclosed... Best, Lodewijk On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: To amplify: Paying (business) taxes in The Netherlands now pretty much requires electronic payment to an IBAN Account; a.k.a. it is (now) the standard, default, baseline way to make payments at all. After registering a business, the very next action is to open an (IBAN) account. All extant dutch accounts that predate IBAN have been converted to IBAN. All administration systems (must(!)) support IBAN. If you want to do business in the Netherlands, you need to support IBAN. Note that many (most?) dutch citizens do not have credit cards or paypal accounts. Further, IBAN is standardized throughout the euro-zone. iDEAL is nice to have and important. IBAN is a minimal baseline requirement. sincerely, Kim On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:42:31PM +0100, Walter Vermeir wrote: Op 17-11-14 om 20:28 schreef Lodewijk: you back to the credit card page) or even via regular bank transfer (using an IBAN) in the Netherlands. The donation page Historically the structure of bank account numbers are very different from country to country. And making transfers from one bank account to an other bank account, especially internationally, are/where complex and expensive. There is still a lot of room of improvement but nevertheless it has never been so easy and cheap to do international transfers as now. The IBAN system - International Bank Account Number - is active in a fair chunk of the globe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Number#Adoption Inside the EURO-zone , 19 countries, ?? 337 million Europeans , people can make a bank transfer to an EURO-zone IBAN bank account without additional expenses. Many more outside the EURO-zone can easy make international payments to an IBAN bank account. That is not free ... but paypal is certainly not free also. The costs are just deducted from your donation. The WMF has always has been a huge fan of payment by credit cards. Understandable, the WMF is founded in the country of the Credit card. But that can make you blind to the fact that other people are used to total other payment systems. A couple of years ago I discovered that there where still people using cheques in France. That came as a total surprise to me. I remember my dad using cheques 30 years ago. I never came in to contact with a cheque since then. To my knowledge cheques where long gone. History. Extinct. But ... when you have the financial business concept of the WMF - when you need money beg for it - the donation channel should be tailer made for the specific common way of payment used by the person who is so good to be willing to make an donation. Walter ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Hi Pats, maybe as a little background: Charles Andres, who you're responding to, is actually an employee of Wikimedia CH. Your response might still be valid - I can't judge that - but it sounds odd to me as a relative outsider :) Best, Lodewijk On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Patricia Pena pp...@wikimedia.org wrote: All, The local chapter processes payments in Switzerland and manages fundraising banners and payment systems implementation. WMF is not running fundraising banners in Switzerland. If you spot any problems or issues, please do inform the local chapter. Thanks, Pats On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:35 AM, charles andrès (WMCH) charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: I just try and I am randomly redirected to the localize page or the WMF page….. Le 27 nov. 2014 à 09:20, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com a écrit : The day before yesterday I was presented a fundraising banner in Switzerland which redirects to the donation page of Wmf, contrary the chapters page. Rupert On Nov 26, 2014 3:18 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Just following up, Has WMNL now received the sought information? sincerely, Kim Bruning On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 08:42:01AM +0100, Lodewijk wrote: It seems everyone agrees it is an important method (although I'm not 100% sure that the US based people running the fundraiser fully comprehend - I am assuming this is the case), but there seems to be some reason why the WMF chooses to not make this option easily available. A reason they choose not to disclose, but to be fuzzy about. I'm very sorry about this, and as Liam says, this fits in a trend with the Russian people no longer being allowed to donate. Maybe the two are connected, but this is all speculation. I'm sorry to see these steps back from the more open attitude there was a few years back. It feels very much that we are, as a community, being fed canned press answers. But then, maybe there's a real need for that and there's a huge legal threat to making it easy to donate through bank transfer that cannot be disclosed... Best, Lodewijk On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: To amplify: Paying (business) taxes in The Netherlands now pretty much requires electronic payment to an IBAN Account; a.k.a. it is (now) the standard, default, baseline way to make payments at all. After registering a business, the very next action is to open an (IBAN) account. All extant dutch accounts that predate IBAN have been converted to IBAN. All administration systems (must(!)) support IBAN. If you want to do business in the Netherlands, you need to support IBAN. Note that many (most?) dutch citizens do not have credit cards or paypal accounts. Further, IBAN is standardized throughout the euro-zone. iDEAL is nice to have and important. IBAN is a minimal baseline requirement. sincerely, Kim On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:42:31PM +0100, Walter Vermeir wrote: Op 17-11-14 om 20:28 schreef Lodewijk: you back to the credit card page) or even via regular bank transfer (using an IBAN) in the Netherlands. The donation page Historically the structure of bank account numbers are very different from country to country. And making transfers from one bank account to an other bank account, especially internationally, are/where complex and expensive. There is still a lot of room of improvement but nevertheless it has never been so easy and cheap to do international transfers as now. The IBAN system - International Bank Account Number - is active in a fair chunk of the globe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Number#Adoption Inside the EURO-zone , 19 countries, ?? 337 million Europeans , people can make a bank transfer to an EURO-zone IBAN bank account without additional expenses. Many more outside the EURO-zone can easy make international payments to an IBAN bank account. That is not free ... but paypal is certainly not free also. The costs are just deducted from your donation. The WMF has always has been a huge fan of payment by credit cards. Understandable, the WMF is founded in the country of the Credit card. But that can make you blind to the fact that other people are used to total other payment systems. A couple of years ago I discovered that there where still people using cheques in France. That came as a total surprise to me. I remember my dad using cheques 30 years ago. I never came in to contact with a cheque since then. To my knowledge cheques where long gone. History. Extinct. But ... when you have the financial business concept of the WMF - when you need
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
On 28/11/14 23:49, Lodewijk wrote: maybe as a little background: Charles Andres, who you're responding to, is actually an employee of Wikimedia CH. Your response might still be valid - I can't judge that - but it sounds odd to me as a relative outsider :) Indeed, I think Patricia missed the point of Rupert and Charles' emails. I have just tested myself from a computer on a Swiss IP address, opening 20 times the donation page, I get about half of the time the WM CH landing page, and the other half the WMF landing page. There is nothing WM CH can do, it is a problem with the redirection link on the WMF servers -- and it is obviously pretty annoying for us (WM CH). So far, we haven't heard anything from the WMF after Rupert first spotted the problem (thanks !). Frédéric On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Patricia Pena pp...@wikimedia.org wrote: All, The local chapter processes payments in Switzerland and manages fundraising banners and payment systems implementation. WMF is not running fundraising banners in Switzerland. If you spot any problems or issues, please do inform the local chapter. Thanks, Pats On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:35 AM, charles andrès (WMCH) charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: I just try and I am randomly redirected to the localize page or the WMF page….. Le 27 nov. 2014 à 09:20, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com a écrit : The day before yesterday I was presented a fundraising banner in Switzerland which redirects to the donation page of Wmf, contrary the chapters page. Rupert On Nov 26, 2014 3:18 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Just following up, Has WMNL now received the sought information? sincerely, Kim Bruning On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 08:42:01AM +0100, Lodewijk wrote: It seems everyone agrees it is an important method (although I'm not 100% sure that the US based people running the fundraiser fully comprehend - I am assuming this is the case), but there seems to be some reason why the WMF chooses to not make this option easily available. A reason they choose not to disclose, but to be fuzzy about. I'm very sorry about this, and as Liam says, this fits in a trend with the Russian people no longer being allowed to donate. Maybe the two are connected, but this is all speculation. I'm sorry to see these steps back from the more open attitude there was a few years back. It feels very much that we are, as a community, being fed canned press answers. But then, maybe there's a real need for that and there's a huge legal threat to making it easy to donate through bank transfer that cannot be disclosed... Best, Lodewijk On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: To amplify: Paying (business) taxes in The Netherlands now pretty much requires electronic payment to an IBAN Account; a.k.a. it is (now) the standard, default, baseline way to make payments at all. After registering a business, the very next action is to open an (IBAN) account. All extant dutch accounts that predate IBAN have been converted to IBAN. All administration systems (must(!)) support IBAN. If you want to do business in the Netherlands, you need to support IBAN. Note that many (most?) dutch citizens do not have credit cards or paypal accounts. Further, IBAN is standardized throughout the euro-zone. iDEAL is nice to have and important. IBAN is a minimal baseline requirement. sincerely, Kim On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:42:31PM +0100, Walter Vermeir wrote: Op 17-11-14 om 20:28 schreef Lodewijk: you back to the credit card page) or even via regular bank transfer (using an IBAN) in the Netherlands. The donation page Historically the structure of bank account numbers are very different from country to country. And making transfers from one bank account to an other bank account, especially internationally, are/where complex and expensive. There is still a lot of room of improvement but nevertheless it has never been so easy and cheap to do international transfers as now. The IBAN system - International Bank Account Number - is active in a fair chunk of the globe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bank_Account_Number#Adoption Inside the EURO-zone , 19 countries, ?? 337 million Europeans , people can make a bank transfer to an EURO-zone IBAN bank account without additional expenses. Many more outside the EURO-zone can easy make international payments to an IBAN bank account. That is not free ... but paypal is certainly not free also. The costs are just deducted from your donation. The WMF has always has been a huge fan of payment by credit cards. Understandable, the WMF is founded in the country of the Credit card. But that can make you blind to the fact that other people are used to total other payment systems. A couple of years ago I discovered that there where still people using cheques in France.
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Lodewijk, IBAN and bank account information is sent out upon request due to the level of attempted bank fraud when the account information was posted on the website. I can review with our bank to see if IBAN security and fraud protection has improved so that we can publicly post our IBAN number. Regards, Garfield On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi Patricia, Thanks for telling that the iDEAL will be back soon. I don't quite understand from your answer why you add the increased hurdle of emailing the team for the IBAN though. Am I overlooking something? Best, Lodewijk On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Patricia Pena pp...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Lodewijk, Currently IDEAL is temporarily down on our pages (it went into maintenance mode after our annual campaign), but should be back up soon :) We know the importance of this method for Dutch donors and have supported this option since we started fundraising in the NL. We also support offline bank transfer (IBAN) and donors can get the account number with our Donor Services team. We had an extremely successful Fundraising campaign this year, and there will be some great mobile optimization coming up in the next few months, which will allow mobile donors to complete their donations in a much faster and easier way. Thanks! Pats On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: A while back now, the chapters were no longer allowed to fundraise, because the Wikimedia Foundation argued they would be better able to do this. At the time, this sounded somewhat reasonable. However, since then, there have been some disturbing developments - at least for Dutch donors. No longer it is possible to pay electronically (iDEAL, one of the most common methods is no longer supported - 'electronic banking' simply refers you back to the credit card page) or even via regular bank transfer (using an IBAN) in the Netherlands. The donation page https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:FundraiserLandingPagecountry=NLuselang=enutm_medium=spontaneousutm_source=fr-redirutm_campaign=spontaneous only allows credit card and paypal, and the 'other ways to give' simply sends you to the helpdesk if you want to make a bank transfer payment. What is the reasoning behind this? Have bank transfers become a legal swamp? Are there statistics suggesting that this method was no longer required by donors? Did the European bank account somehow get temporarily suspended? If it has become so hard to donate, maybe it makes more sense to send the donors to the local chapter pages where they can actually donate in the local suitable methods (in this case, Wikimedia Netherlands offers both iDEAL and IBAN http://www.wikimedia.nl/pagina/doneren-aan-wikimedia-nederland). One of the Dutch OTRS team members asked for elaboration, but didn't quite get a satisfying answer. I hope this is a temporary situation, and that this threshold will be removed again. It would be sad if we go through all kind of trouble to enable long tail methods like bitcoin, but skip bank transfer... Best, Lodewijk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Pats Pena | Sr. Manager, Global Operations Wikimedia Foundation office +1 (415) 839 6885 x6764 cell: +1 (415) 816 3349 fax: +1 (415) 284 9511 pp...@wikimedia.org *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment. Donate. https://donate.wikimedia.org/* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Garfield Byrd Chief of Finance and Administration Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext 6787 415.882.0495 (fax) www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! *https://donate.wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/*
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
Megan Hernandez wrote: Sending an update to let you know that we've heard your concerns and to thank you for your feedback. We're working on some new banners including a version without the overlay to try out based on feedback you've shared. Our banners are always a work in progress, they will continue to evolve and improve. We'll send an email update on Monday. Have a good weekend, Thank you for this note. Just for general information, Thursday through Sunday is a holiday in a lot of the United States (Thursday for Thanksgiving, Friday to recover from Thanksgiving). This time of year (after Thanksgiving and until Christmas) is usually the busiest time of year for the Wikimedia Foundation fundraising team. This is to say, it's completely expected that responses will be slower around this time of year. :-) This is also why we try to have conversations about fundraising banner principles in the off season. One principle I'd really like to see set in stone is don't obscure the page content. If someone reaches our sites to learn about apples or bears or the Spanish Armada, surely our highest obligation is sharing free content. We can simultaneously ask for donations, but we need to do so in a polite and respectful way. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=10657614#Fundraising_banner shows some of the banners that have been recently tested, for the curious. Many of us lived through WIKIPEDIA FOREVER and many other banner horror shows. But collectively Wikimedia is recognizing that these new fundraising banner overlays are a step in the wrong direction. The banners may be effective, but they're not aligned with Wikimedia's values. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
