Kim Bruning kim@... writes:
Washington post article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
The response to this is embarrassing and lacking. Wikipedia Zero is an
amazing program (and is one of the only
On 30 November 2014 at 07:35, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Do not be daft. The Wikimedia Foundation centralised its fundraising. It
said that it would do a better job. Seen from a central periphery model, it
probably does, However seen from the Netherlands it is rather
On 11/30/14, 9:49 AM, Ryan Lane wrote:
Providing free access to Wikipedia doesn't violate the
concept of net neutrality. Access to Wikimedia is being subsidized by the
mobile companies. Access to other sources of information isn't being slowed.
There's no extra charge to access other sources of
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote:
Kim Bruning kim@... writes:
Washington post article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
The response to this is embarrassing and lacking.
hi mz,
you are right, the whole wikipedia is built by volunteer time and
could have not been built otherwise. so volunteer time clearly is
worth significantly more. i sometimes feel ripped off as a volunteer.
first i donate my time, and then people approach me to addtionally
spend money for a
Congratulations! I know each of them personally, and I have no doubt they
will bring huge expertise to the committee!
Good luck!
*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Do not be daft. The Wikimedia Foundation centralised its fundraising. It
said that it would do a better job. Seen from a central periphery model,
it probably does, However seen from the Netherlands it is rather silly.,
Pooh poohing this away with you can donate time as well
Ryan Lane wrote:
Kim Bruning kim@... writes (roughly):
Washington post article: http://wapo.st/1zUXNXj
The response to this is embarrassing and lacking. Wikipedia Zero is an
amazing program (and is one of the only excellent non-engineering things
the foundation has done). [...]
I think
On 11/30/2014 11:08 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
I think it's difficult to argue that Wikipedia Zero is
not, at least in the strictest sense, a violation of net neutrality.
That's perfectly true, but because the traditional definition of net
neutrality (and, by extension, the definition of what
On 30 November 2014 at 17:14, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
So it's clearly neutral in the equally available sense of the term.
And it remains neutral in the competition sense of the term since they
are welcome to zero-rate any other service they wish alongside ours.
This is
Hoi,
Our community, movement and our foundation is pretty darn good. When you
consider all the imperfections, there is after all room for improvement, it
is really amazing how much is achieved on such a shoestring budget. We pay
the prize for under-investing in our organisation, in our
2-3 short remarks to your arguments, Marc:
First it's kind of interesting that net neutrality which is very clear in
its definition becomes overly simplistic and unrealistic and inadequate
the moment it collides with an organisations own interests. Isn't that
quite an coincidence? ;)
Principles
Michael Snow, 30/11/2014 01:03:
One avenue for fraud that's facilitated by posting account numbers is
small payment fraud, usually involving stolen credit cards. [.]
So what all this message have to do with IBAN?
Nemo
___
Wikimedia-l
2014-11-30 19:40 GMT+01:00 Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com:
On 11/30/2014 10:19 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Michael Snow, 30/11/2014 01:03:
One avenue for fraud that's facilitated by posting account numbers is
small payment fraud, usually involving stolen credit cards.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com
wrote:
On 11/30/2014 10:19 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Michael Snow, 30/11/2014 01:03:
One avenue for fraud that's facilitated by posting account numbers is
small payment fraud, usually involving stolen credit cards.
Second, well, of course all providers are happy to use Wikipedia (Zero) as
a door opener to get the customer used to different treatment of data
(which is a clear violation of net neutrality).
Exactly this. Net neutrality means that the pipes are totally dumb, not
favoring -any- service over any
Michael Snow, 30/11/2014 19:40:
As the rest of the message discussed, the fraudsters can use the IBAN to
make a donation in order to test that stolen card information belongs
to a real credit card.
Are you sure you know what an IBAN is?
Anyway, please inform the European Central Bank of your
Mark delirium@... writes:
I don't see a distinction here, unless you're extremely naive about
economics. Discriminatory pricing in any market can be done in two ways:
1. have a standard rate and add a surcharge to certain disfavored
uses; or 2. have a standard rate and give a discount to
MZMcBride z at mzmcbride.com writes:
Ryan Lane wrote:
Kim Bruning kim at ... writes (roughly):
Washington post article: http://wapo.st/1zUXNXj
The response to this is embarrassing and lacking. Wikipedia Zero is an
amazing program (and is one of the only excellent
MZMcBride z at mzmcbride.com writes:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Do not be daft. The Wikimedia Foundation centralised its fundraising. It
said that it would do a better job. Seen from a central periphery model,
it probably does, However seen from the Netherlands it is rather silly.,
Pooh
Hoi,
An IBAN number is NOT a credit card ... You need a ping number in
combination with some smart card functionality in order to make it work..
The combination generates a number that is always different..
You can steal my card but making use of it without the pin number is really
hard, next to
On 29/11/14 10:05, Lodewijk wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. It's surprising to me that posting a bank
account number could lead to fraud - the bank systems are supposed to be
robust enough for that.
My understanding is this is mostly a problem in the US, from what I
heard from Garfield.
Thank you all for very valuable information and ideas!!
Erlend Bjørtvedt
WMNO
Den mandag 24. november 2014 skrev Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com følgende:
Hoi,
Today or tomorrow, time permitting I will blog about how universities can
check what alumni and employees are known for
Congratulations!
On Dec 1, 2014 1:39 AM, Keilana keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you so much for being willing to offer your considerable expertise!
-Emily
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
it...@wikimedia.org.il wrote:
Congratulations! I know each of them
On 11/30/2014 1:14 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
An IBAN number is NOT a credit card ... You need a ping number in
combination with some smart card functionality in order to make it work..
The combination generates a number that is always different..
You seem to have misunderstood the scenario
On 11/30/2014 11:12 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Anyway, please inform the European Central Bank of your findings, I'm
sure they'll be interested in hearing them. Currently their website
seems unaware of such fraud possibilities and contains statements such
as «Sensitive data payment: Data
On 01/12/14 06:10, Todd Allen wrote:
Second, well, of course all providers are happy to use Wikipedia (Zero) as
a door opener to get the customer used to different treatment of data
(which is a clear violation of net neutrality).
Exactly this. Net neutrality means that the pipes are totally
On Mon, 1 Dec 2014, at 15:21, Tim Starling wrote:
On 01/12/14 06:10, Todd Allen wrote:
Second, well, of course all providers are happy to use Wikipedia (Zero) as
a door opener to get the customer used to different treatment of data
(which is a clear violation of net neutrality).
Hoi,
IMHO we need to advertise how people can transfer money to us. It requires
an account number. Now if the USA is not able to accommodate this, FINE,
let us do it in Europe at least..
WHAT AM I MISSING HERE ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 December 2014 at 03:38, Michael Snow
Ummm. We have all kinds of ways for people to donate, and the process for
transferring is pretty clear. Having been in a situation where I had to
make bank transfers, I felt honestly like I was handing over the keys to
the kingdom just for the right to pay someone money: far more personal
I don't see economics here, unless you are extremely naive about reality.
There are some items -- abused or not for marketing purposes of the
entities used for achieving interests of their shareholders -- which belong
to the corpus of common good. Like air and free knowledge are, for example.
Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. It's surprising to me that posting a bank
account number could lead to fraud - the bank systems are supposed to be
robust enough for that.
My understanding is this is mostly a problem in the US, from what I
heard from
Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
[...]
Also, I'm no expert on EU regulations, but I do observe that
according to the European Payments Council, it seems payees
receiving SEPA credit transfers are advised to communicate
the IBAN only where necessary:
Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Trying to understand Wikipedia Zero as some kind of self-interested
organizational move is a mistake, in my view. What it is, IMHO, is a
logical development based on the core mission statement of Wikipedia.
And in the long term it's actually
just for the record: the IBAN we have been talking about al this time is
the bank account number of a WMF bank account in euro, at a bank located in
Paris (and previously in Brussels). Of course the WMF has a euro bank
account, it would be odd if they didn't.
Lodewijk
ps: no need to shout.
On
On 12/1/14, 7:11 AM, Milos Rancic wrote:
There are some items -- abused or not for marketing purposes of the
entities used for achieving interests of their shareholders -- which belong
to the corpus of common good. Like air and free knowledge are, for example.
If an ISP wanted to make *all*
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