Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
A slight tangent: I did a quick Google search to try and refresh my memory about the Wikipedia Forever thing, and these were the results: http://imgur.com/7AU8kTp. I think it's more than worrying that many of the results have the fundraising message as a summary. Cheers, Michel On 4 December

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote: I think it's more than worrying that many of the results have the fundraising message as a summary. Yep, this is very problematic. Even though the content is JavaScript-generated, Google crawls it unless it's explicitly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A similar possibility is in existence in the Netherlands... National charities can easily get such a status. It is possible for international organisations but it is more difficult.. In order to optimise fundraisers it is extremely relevant that we optimise it for our donors. That makes it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
All On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last year), from the UK? How much of the money raised from the UK will attract Gift Aid[*] tax releif? I've seen figures of $500,000 being mentioned in relation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Site Admin
Dear Ms. Ayers Thanks for informing you are also a WMF trustee like Sam and you concede that.these controversial banners are in your face. Sam's last email had this remark concerning the poster below:- PS: The poster below is part of a deranged sockfarm, now blocked from en:wp, which has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is NOT the chapter that has to change its ways. Thanks, GerardM On 5 December 2014 at 11:27, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: All On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: How much money do we expect to raise (or did we last

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread
On 5 December 2014 at 10:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, It is NOT the chapter that has to change its ways. Thanks, GerardM Actually, under Sue Gardner, the offer was that if the chapter did change its ways, it would become a payment processor again. As a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Austin Hair
Mr. Admin, I fully support both transparency and free speech, and would never suggest that you should be denied the right to ask the questions you're asking. I can, however, object to your use of the mailing list I administer (as a volunteer, in anticipation of your likely response) to ask those

[Wikimedia-l] This Month In Education: October 2014 and November 2014

2014-12-05 Thread The 'This Month In Education' Team
Hello Everyone, Apologies for any cross postings. We are pleased to announce that the education newsletters for October and November are ready for reading! https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Newsletter/October_2014/Highlights

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community engagement - Product Survey

2014-12-05 Thread rupert THURNER
Many thanks for this! It needs to be c On Dec 5, 2014 12:51 AM, Rachel diCerbo rdic...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: This! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_(Product)/Product_Surveys Thank you to the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community engagement - Product Survey

2014-12-05 Thread rupert THURNER
Many thanks for this! It needs to be clear that one does not get feedback of new users especially not of disappointed ones. E.g. of users suffering some bandwidth or speed problems. Rupert On Dec 5, 2014 12:51 AM, Rachel diCerbo rdic...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread mathias . damour
- Mail original - De: Fæ fae...@gmail.com Actually, under Sue Gardner, the offer was that if the chapter did change its ways, it would become a payment processor again. As a trustee at that time, who was sent all the correspondence, this was exactly what was put in writing. And

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread
On 5 December 2014 at 14:12, mathias.dam...@laposte.net wrote: - Mail original - De: Fæ fae...@gmail.com Actually, under Sue Gardner, the offer was that if the chapter did change its ways, it would become a payment processor again. As a trustee at that time, who was sent all the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 4, 19:00 UTC

2014-12-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Salvador A, 05/12/2014 08:05: From your answer to Scott I read that those are only statistics from enwiki, do you know if the same happened in eswiki or, conversely, eswiki grow the number of views? In the last case I could assume that we are converting English readers into Spanish readers and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Michael Maggs
I regret that Fae has thought it necessary to bring his personal grievance against the UK chapter and one specific individual over to the Wikimedia-l mailing list now that he is unable to make such comments on the Wikimedia-UK list or the WMUK website. I would hope that the moderators will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
Michael, On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: I regret that Fae has thought it necessary to bring his personal grievance against the UK chapter and one specific individual over to the Wikimedia-l mailing list now that he is unable to make such comments on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
Sorry, that of course should have read: I'd appreciate some sort of response from you Michael that does NOT include ad hominem attacks. I guess I've been a Wikimedian so long that ad hominem attacks are often the norm, rather than the exception. Or it could have just been a brainfart. I'll let

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
Hi all Below is an email I've just received inviting me to join the Gender Gap mailing list. It's sent from russiaviat...@gmail.com and has been passing off as me. I mentioned on the Gender Gap mailing list the other day that this was not me, but now it would appear that email addresses on this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 4, 19:00 UTC

2014-12-05 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: 1) Is the rise in global south page views specifically to *enwiki*, or is it to local wikis? Not actually an either/or. The answer seems to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Nick Birse
I don't want to be seen to be taking sides and don't intend to become embroiled in WMUK internal politics (which is why I've never joined the chapter). I've never received an explanation as to why around $500,000 of Gift Aid is out of reach and unavailable to either WMUK or WMF, despite asking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Ryan Lane
phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: Hello! Sorry, I didn't realize that's what you were referring to. I haven't looked at all the raw fundraising data, no, and I haven't looked at that set that Lila refers to. (The reports we get are summaries, which is much preferable when you've got a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread phoebe ayers
Hello all, I just re-read this whole thread (!) this morning and here are the themes of points raised that I'm seeing ... I'll add this to the talk of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles too. Anything else I missed? My editorializing is in brackets [ ]. ==communication re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 December 2014 at 17:35, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not asking for the Foundation to stop the banners. I'm not trying to make the fundraising team's life harder. What I want is acknowledgement that there is indeed a problem and that it will be addressed for next fundraiser. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Michael Maggs
Hi Nick Over the last few years the Foundation has decisively moved away from allowing local chapters to take part in the on-screen fundraiser, preferring to centralise the work in spite of the loss of the available local tax reliefs (such as Gift Aid in the UK). Many chapters, including

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Russavia
Michael On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Over the last few years the Foundation has decisively moved away from allowing local chapters to take part in the on-screen fundraiser, preferring to centralise the work in spite of the loss of the available local

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Chris Keating
Also, if anyone's interested in the latest news on Wikimedia UK's governance, do have a look at our most recent governance audit - further info here: https://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2014/11/final-report-on-wikimedia-uk-governance-released/ Some quotes include; *“The charity has very largely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
Wasn't there also an issue with WMUK processing payments, in that they couldn't pass 100% of the donations on to the WMF but had to retain some or most of the funds in order to remain independent under British law? That seems like a good reason why the WMF might not want WMUK to process payments,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Lisa Gruwell
You can find information on the tax deductibility of donations to WMF here: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Tax_Deductibility/en#.C2.A0Netherlands Quickly, to address a few points that have been raised: 1) Yes, donations to WMF are tax deductible in the Netherlands 2) When a U.K. donor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Risker
On 5 December 2014 at 13:25, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Michael On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Over the last few years the Foundation has decisively moved away from allowing local chapters to take part in the on-screen fundraiser,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Nathan, On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't there also an issue with WMUK processing payments, in that they couldn't pass 100% of the donations on to the WMF but had to retain some or most of the funds in order to remain independent under British law?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I just re-read this whole thread (!) this morning and here are the themes of points raised that I'm seeing ... I'll add this to the talk of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles too.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Gendergap-I] Re: Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Site Admin 1924@gmail.com wrote: Dear David This is yet another example of how Wikipedia is seriously broken Here is a screenshot of a deliberate full screen advt being thrust on the global south. http://i.imgur.com/2J0FgAP.jpg Our IT team has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: To others I imagine it reads like those spam emails with Have you seen this article? in the subject line with spoofed email addresses. Thank you for keeping working on this, and not getting pulled into emotion.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks for this, Phoebe. It's a good summary. (And if you could be so kind as to nudge Tilman about the 2012 editor survey data - it's been over two years - and let the Gendergap list know what the gender split was in that survey, it would be much appreciated.) Andreas On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For what it is worth ... http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_CJE-09-5_en.htm Thanks, GerardM On 5 December 2014 at 19:56, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote: You can find information on the tax deductibility of donations to WMF here:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Mathias Damour
Le 05/12/2014 19:22, Michael Maggs a écrit : Hi Nick Over the last few years the Foundation has decisively moved away from allowing local chapters to take part in the on-screen fundraiser, preferring to centralise the work in spite of the loss of the available local tax reliefs (such as Gift

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the UK

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, For what it is worth ... http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_CJE-09-5_en.htm Thanks, GerardM For the benefit of others... The press release, from 2009, describes a preliminary ruling that states of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Ryan Lane
phoebe ayers phoebe.wiki@... writes: I just re-read this whole thread (!) this morning and here are the themes of points raised that I'm seeing ... I'll add this to the talk of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles too. This is great. Thank you! Anything else I missed?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Just seen online: http://emptylighthouse.com/wikipedia-asks-users-help-keep-it-ad-free-fundraiser-344432888 ---o0o--- If you've visited *Wikipedia.org* any time today you will have met up with a *plea from the website. In order for the company to stay ad-free they have appealed to their users

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 201 4 Metrics…

2014-12-05 Thread Per A.J. Andersson
Thanks, Asaf and the others, for the talk about the global south in deeper terms. That's both an important and interesting perspective. I've tried to get a grip on the issue of the two major languages in Ukraine, and how they affect the use and development of Wikipedia. But I haven't yet read

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap

2014-12-05 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Russavia wrote: I mentioned on the Gender Gap mailing list the other day that this was not me, but now it would appear that email addresses on this mailing list are being scraped. Whoever controls that list added the address in my From and my signature which pretty clearly suggests use of some

[Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread Milos Rancic
I found on Facebook feed the next article [1]. The article title was so amusing that I had to read the article: Stop giving Wikimedia money. Although I thought I'll find something totally irrelevant, the article actually reveals that the author is pretty well introduced into internal Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Samuel Klein
Phoebe - that's a great summary. those unlucky souls who get a/b tested There's a tradeoff here with not storing any cookies. [Also, a couple people online say they still see a banner after donating] current messages are seen as harming image we want all the data, because... Also: We all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: What differs us from Uber and makes our position better is the fact that we are community-driven movement (as well as encyclopedia publishers are on average much more predatory organizations than various organizations of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap

2014-12-05 Thread Austin Hair
For the record, about an hour ago I permanently banned Site Admin, going so far as to create regex filters for his content. And no, Russavia, I didn't think it was you. Unfortunately, I can't do anything about the individual subscriptions—yes, I got one too. Austin On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 6:22

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap

2014-12-05 Thread Thyge
I reported the group for spamming. Adding me and others without our consent and sending unsolicited emails must be stopped somehow. Regards, Thyge 2014-12-05 22:12 GMT+01:00 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: For the record, about an hour ago I permanently banned Site Admin, going so far as to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Dec 5, 2014 10:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: It also helps that Uber is a $40 billion dollar for-profit company with the sole objective of a financial return for its owners. The comparison seems inapt. That's valid structural point, as well. However, there are some comparable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Dec 5, 2014 10:44 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: And Silicon Valley didn't yet figured out how to transplant education directly into the brain. And there are many basics which has to be learned by a competent teacher. (Nah, still have problems with to learn/to teach dichotomy. It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To donate or not

2014-12-05 Thread svetlana
Hi, Milos Rancic wrote: For example, I am sure that there are many people outside who would be willing to donate ~$10/month if they don't have to think about that (i.e., opt-in for monthly charge). I think that's precisely what happens to Chapters membership. And Chapters members probably

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap

2014-12-05 Thread Kim Bruning
On Fri, Dec 05, 2014 at 10:26:19PM +0100, Thyge wrote: I reported the group for spamming. Adding me and others without our consent and sending unsolicited emails must be stopped somehow. Idem here. Was listed, unsubscribed, reported for spamming. sincerely, Kim Bruning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap

2014-12-05 Thread Kim Bruning
On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 01:22:00AM +0800, Russavia wrote: Hi all If you receive an email purporting to be from myself and it's not from this email addy (and with an IINET IP), you can be assured it is not myself. Glad to hear it wasn't you! If I wanted to troll you all, you all know that

[Wikimedia-l] Announcing New WMF Individual Engagement Grantees

2014-12-05 Thread Harold Hidalgo
Hi all, In the latest round of Individual Engagement Grants http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG, 26 eligible proposals were submitted for review. The committee recommended 7 projects be funded in total, with 13 grantees selected to receive $98,271 overall, and WMF has now approved all 7