Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joining the WMF Communications team

2015-01-07 Thread MZMcBride
Fabrice Florin wrote:
I will also manage a range of movement communications tasks previously
handled by Tilman Bayer, who is transitioning to the WMF Product team as
Senior Analyst.

This is fantastic news. Congrats, Tilman!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group

2015-01-07 Thread Karthik Nadar
I think it will be better if most of us can Report the Group.




Regards from Mumbai,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group

2015-01-07 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive
+1 Karthik. Better to report the group.

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 I think it will be better if most of us can Report the Group.




 Regards from Mumbai,
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: White House response to Aaron Swartz petition

2015-01-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
See 
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck



 Messaggio inoltrato 
Oggetto:Response to We the People Petition on U.S. Attorney's Office
Personnel Matters
Data:   Wed, 07 Jan 2015 18:18:14 -0600
Mittente:   The White House

We the People

*Response to We the People Petition on U.S. Attorney's Office Personnel
Matters*

Aaron Swartz's death was a tragic, unthinkable loss for his family and
friends. Our sympathy continues to go out to those who were closest to
him, and to the many others whose lives he touched.

We also reaffirm our belief that a spirit of openness is what makes the
Internet such a powerful engine for economic growth, technological
innovation, and new ideas. That's why members of the Administration
continue to engage with advocates to ensure the Internet remains a free
and open platform as technology continues to disrupt industries and
connect our communities in ways we can't yet imagine. We will continue
this engagement as we tackle new questions on key issues such as citizen
participation in democracy, open access to information, privacy,
intellectual property, free speech, and security.

As to the specific personnel-related requests raised in your petitions,
our response must be limited. Consistent with the terms we laid out when
we began We the People,
we will not address agency personnel matters in a petition response,
because we do not believe this is the appropriate forum in which to do so.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group

2015-01-07 Thread Vishnu

Thanks for the alert, Austin!

Vishnu

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joining the WMF Communications team

2015-01-07 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive
Great to know. Congratulation Fabrice Florin  Tilman!

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:30 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 Fabrice Florin wrote:
 I will also manage a range of movement communications tasks previously
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2015-01-07 Thread Kim Bruning


Found another article calling out Wikipedia. Are there also
articles praising us? :-)


https://medium.com/backchannel/less-than-zero-199bcb05a868

I do think that wikipedia zero is useful in the short term. I'm
a bit worried about the long term though. 

Question: How do you predict wikipedia zero's effect on the internet in
the long term? There are clearly going to be both positive and
negative effects. Denying either is silly. What can we do to
strengthen the positive effects, and how do we mitigate the
negative?

At what thresholds would wikipedia zero be stopped in some
country and at what thresholds promoted? Are there
documents/analysis online?

sincerely,
Kim

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:07:02PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote:
 
 Washington post article
   
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/
 
 sincerely,
   Kim
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group

2015-01-07 Thread Santi Navarro

Thnak you for your e-mail. I was added and now I've been unsuscribed.

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Tilman Bayer joins Product Strategy Department

2015-01-07 Thread Erik Moeller
FYI :)

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Date: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:50 PM
Subject: Tilman Bayer joins Product  Strategy Department
To: Staff All wmf...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi all,

It’s my pleasure to announce that Tilman Bayer is joining the Foundation’s
Product  Strategy department as Senior Analyst. I would like to thank
Katherine Maher for supporting and helping to prepare this move from the
Communications department.

Tilman has been working with us since July 2011, and has been a Wikipedian
since 2003. He is leading the development of the organization’s new
quarterly report, and its integration with the quarterly review process. In
his role in Communications, he has already coordinated our reports in their
previous monthly format, and has kept detailed public minutes for the
majority of quarterly reviews at WMF. He will continue to do so.

He will ensure we not only continually refine and improve the quarterly
goalsetting, review and reporting processes, but can also look for
opportunities to highlight lessons learned - successes and failures -
across the organization and the Wikimedia communities, so these can
meaningfully inform our strategy.

In addition, Tilman will bring his many years of experience as a volunteer
and his insight into the many complexities and intricacies of the Wikimedia
universe to bear with product-related research and analysis questions,
supporting Product Managers and other team members as we dig into hard
problems that benefit from his expertise, e.g. simplification of templates,
translation tools, cross-wiki messaging tools, mathematics editing, etc.

Tilman was previously responsible for many day-to-day communications
responsibilities and supported or led key communications initiatives. These
responsibilities will be transitioned to other Communications team members,
including Fabrice Florin who is joining the team for 6 months (separate
announcement to follow).

Please join me in congratulating Tilman to this new role. Tilman - thank
you for taking this on; I look forward to continuing our work together!

Sincerely,

Erik
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joining the WMF Communications team

2015-01-07 Thread Fabrice Florin
Hi folks,

I am happy to announce that I will be joining the Wikimedia Foundation's 
Communications team as Movement Communications Manager for a period of six 
months. 

I have really enjoyed my work as product manager at WMF in the past 3 years, 
leading the development of new tools like Notifications, Thanks, Beta Features, 
Media Viewer and other multimedia products [1]. 

One of the lessons I learned during that time is that 'better communications' 
are really important to make our movement more effective. I also think that 
growing a 'culture of kindness' is key if we want to engage a broader community 
[2]. I hope to support both of these goals in my new role. 

Starting this week, I will be working with the communications team on the 
Wikimedia blog and general WMF/movement communications. My focus for the blog 
will include improving contributor workflow for community members and WMF 
staff, and providing editorial guidance for contributors. I will also act as 
the main contact point for authors submitting new blog posts, and shepherd the 
publication process. Within movement communications, I will work to improve the 
availability, distribution, and timeliness of communications from the WMF to 
the broader community. I will also manage a range of movement communications 
tasks previously handled by Tilman Bayer, who is transitioning to the WMF 
Product team as Senior Analyst. 

One of my new duties is managing this WikimediaAnnounce-l list. Because this 
list gets so much spam, we manually review all submissions several times per 
day, until a reliable machine filter can be implemented. Please contact me if 
you have an urgent announcement that needs to go out immediately, or if you 
have any issues about this list.

I’d like to thank all my colleagues on the multimedia and product teams -- as 
well as our many community champions -- for being such wonderful collaborators 
over the past few years. I am proud of what we accomplished together, and I 
hope that the features we created can help many more people share knowledge 
productively in years to come. Special thanks to Erik Moeller for his 
thoughtful guidance throughout the past three years -- and for making this 
transition possible. Kudos as well to Tilman for being such a wonderful coach 
and getting me up to speed on tasks he used to handle so efficiently. :) 

I'm delighted to take on this new assignment, and look forward to more 
collaborations with you all in the coming year.

Onward!


Fabrice Florin
Movement Communications Manager
Wikimedia Foundation



[1] Fabrice's user page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF) 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)

[2] 'A Culture of Kindness' blog post:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/12/23/a-culture-of-kindness/ 
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/12/23/a-culture-of-kindness/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

2015-01-07 Thread rupert THURNER
Maybe the carrot is the site notice to advertise it, and the fear is that
too many projects are being proposed? Which is good. But I am with lodewijk
that this is not the way to go. It only exposes the main weakness of the
current grant making process. It is global, central and has a lot of
administrative overhead attached to it,  mainly driven by Anglo American
policies difficult to understand in the rest of the world why they would be
necessary at all.  it leads to a bottleneck not necessary.

The sitenotice is nice. But it could be used better if grantmaking is
distributed like all the other content and community work, imo.

Rupert
On Jan 7, 2015 5:56 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 7 January 2015 at 00:06, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:17 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com
  wrote:
 
   Sorry if this was already answered and I overlooked it, but will there
 be
   something like a special form of advertising this campaign in order
 to
   attract many requests that propose to do something about the Gender
 Gap?
  
 
  Great question. Current thinking is to do the usual announcing on mailing
  lists, blog/social media, village pumps, etc, as well as experimenting
 with
  running Central Notice banners. Would like to attract folks from various
  wikis who have interest in this theme and ability to lead a project in
  their community, beyond the usual (relatively small) slice who regularly
  participate in lists like these or in the usual grantmaking discussions
 on
  meta-wiki. And although outside media could help bring total newbies to
  contribute ideas, discussion, and other forms of participation, it is
  pretty darn important to have at least 1 experienced Wikimedian on a
 funded
  team in order to lead and execute a useful community project, so
  in-movement (particularly on-wiki) promotion is a priority. Any
  thoughts/suggestions would be welcome!
 

 TL:DR I see the stick, but where is the carrot? [1]

 I understand from the explanations that the reason for not accepting
 any non-gender-gap focused grants for several months is because of the
 expected workload on the staff in reviewing applications and
 supporting the projects that do get funded.

 However, what I don't understand is what added incentive there is for
 people to submit grant applications on the chosen topic (in this
 instance it is gender-gap, but it could be other topics in the
 future)? Since it is already possible to submit a gender-gap focused
 grant, how does the refusal to accept other kinds of project
 submissions increase the number/quality/variety of gender-gap grants?
 I can see the unfortunate possibility for:
 -  some grants to be re-written with a false veneer of gender-gap
 focus (pink-washing) simply to access the money
 - valid (but non gender-gap focused) grant applications having to wait
 until after the 3-month project, and potentially having to cancel
 altogether depending on the volunteer's availability.

 I think this is what Lodewijk was referring to when he called it a
 negative campaign - there is a DISincentive for other kinds of grant
 applications, but no apparent specific incentive for the desired type
 of application.

 I see the stick, but where is the carrot?
 Am I missing something?

 -Liam
 [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor office hour for November and January

2015-01-07 Thread Erica Litrenta
2014-11-19 13:42 GMT+01:00 Erica Litrenta elitre...@wikimedia.org:

 Hi everybody,
 and apologies for cross-posting.
 This is a reminder that the VE office hour for this month is happening *today
 in a few hours, at 1600 UTC* [0].

 James Forrester will be available to answer any questions about recent
 improvements and to provide details about ongoing and planned work. It is
 also a pleasant occasion to share your experience; the team always looks
 forward to hearing from you.

 I'd also like to inform you that we are not going to have an office hour
 next month, so the next appointment to discuss VE is in *January,
 Wednesday 7th at  2200 UTC* [1].

 Previous logs and other information, including how to participate, can be
 found at Meta [2].

 Hope to see you in #wikimedia-office in a while.
 Best,
 Elitre (WMF)
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_(Product)

 [0]
 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=16min=00sec=0day=19month=11year=2014
 [1]
 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=22min=00sec=0day=07month=01year=2015

 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours


Hi, a bit unusual reminder that the VisualEditor office hour for January is
starting right now in #wikimedia-office, so you're welcome to join us there!

Best,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

2015-01-07 Thread Liam Wyatt
On 7 January 2015 at 00:06, Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:17 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

  Sorry if this was already answered and I overlooked it, but will there be
  something like a special form of advertising this campaign in order to
  attract many requests that propose to do something about the Gender Gap?
 

 Great question. Current thinking is to do the usual announcing on mailing
 lists, blog/social media, village pumps, etc, as well as experimenting with
 running Central Notice banners. Would like to attract folks from various
 wikis who have interest in this theme and ability to lead a project in
 their community, beyond the usual (relatively small) slice who regularly
 participate in lists like these or in the usual grantmaking discussions on
 meta-wiki. And although outside media could help bring total newbies to
 contribute ideas, discussion, and other forms of participation, it is
 pretty darn important to have at least 1 experienced Wikimedian on a funded
 team in order to lead and execute a useful community project, so
 in-movement (particularly on-wiki) promotion is a priority. Any
 thoughts/suggestions would be welcome!


TL:DR I see the stick, but where is the carrot? [1]

I understand from the explanations that the reason for not accepting
any non-gender-gap focused grants for several months is because of the
expected workload on the staff in reviewing applications and
supporting the projects that do get funded.

However, what I don't understand is what added incentive there is for
people to submit grant applications on the chosen topic (in this
instance it is gender-gap, but it could be other topics in the
future)? Since it is already possible to submit a gender-gap focused
grant, how does the refusal to accept other kinds of project
submissions increase the number/quality/variety of gender-gap grants?
I can see the unfortunate possibility for:
-  some grants to be re-written with a false veneer of gender-gap
focus (pink-washing) simply to access the money
- valid (but non gender-gap focused) grant applications having to wait
until after the 3-month project, and potentially having to cancel
altogether depending on the volunteer's availability.

I think this is what Lodewijk was referring to when he called it a
negative campaign - there is a DISincentive for other kinds of grant
applications, but no apparent specific incentive for the desired type
of application.

I see the stick, but where is the carrot?
Am I missing something?

-Liam
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrot_and_stick

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group

2015-01-07 Thread Austin Hair
Yes, it almost certainly is, and this isn't new to us. We dealt with
this exact type of attack as recently as last month.

Austin

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
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2015-01-07 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
This is probably related to a group that calls itself India Against
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A similar tactic was employed by them on the India Community.
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[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hour

2015-01-07 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey folks :)

I'll be doing another office hour for Wikidata on IRC next Friday at
18:00 UTC. It'll happen in #wikimedia-office on Freenode IRC.
Everyone is welcome for discussions and question answering. Logs will
be posted afterwards.

For your timezone see
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=18min=00sec=0day=16month=01year=2015


Cheers
Lydia

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Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedian-In-Residence at NIOSH

2015-01-07 Thread Isabella Apriyana
It sounds awesome! Congratulations!
On Jan 5, 2015 2:24 PM, Enock Seth Nyamador kwadzo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congrats Emily!

 Best,

 On 01/05/2015 06:03 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive wrote:

 Great! Congratulations Emily!

 On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Daniel Mietchen 
 daniel.mietc...@googlemail.com wrote:

  Great news, Emily - congratulations!

 Looking forward to see NIOSH materials flow into Wikimedia projects,
 and to interactions between both communities.

 d.
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 mitarbeiter/mietchen-daniel/
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 http://wikimedia.org


 On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Keilana keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sort of - Ebola is definitely an occupational health hazard for health

 care

 people! ;) And of course, I always appreciate advice!

 I'm the second US Federal WIR as far as I can tell - Dominic was the

 first,

 and, unless someone has been very under-the-radar (or I've had my head
 under a rock), NIOSH is the first federal science/technology/medicine
 agency with a WIR.

 Thank you!

 -Emily

 On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 
 wrote:

  On 2 January 2015 at 21:00, Keilana keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:

  I am excited to announce that I am starting today as the
 Wikipedian-in-Residence for NIOSH, the National Institute for

 Occupational

 Safety and Health, a subsidiary of the CDC.

 Congratulations! CDC - does that make you the Wikipedian in Residence
 for Ebola? ;-)

 I'm sure you'll do well, but please let me know if I can offer any
 help or advice - especially where the subject interests of NIOSH and
 the Royal Society of Chemistry (where I am Wikimedian in Residence)
 overlap.

 As a matter of interest, how many US federal WiRs have there been now -
 I know of Daniel at NARA; are there others?

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