Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cc-by-sa 4.0, Wikimedia logos

2015-02-12 Thread Michael Peel
According to the footer at:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/
CC-BY-SA 4.0 is currently available in 34 languages/language variants: 
Castellano http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.es Castellano 
(España) http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.es_ES Català 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.ca Dansk 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.da Deutsch 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.de English 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en Esperanto 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.eo français 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.frGalego 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.gl hrvatski 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.hr Indonesia 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.id Italiano 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.it Latviski 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.lv Lietuvių 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.lt Magyar 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.hu Melayu 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.ms Nederlands 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.nl Norsk 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.no polski 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.pl Português 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.pt Português (BR) 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.pt_BR Suomeksi 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.fi svenska 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.sv Türkçe 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.tr íslenska 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.isčesky 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.cs Ελληνικά 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.el русский 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.ru українська 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.uk العربية 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.ar پارسی 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.fa 日本語 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.ja 華語 (台灣) 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.zh_TW 한국어 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.ko .

Thanks,
Mike

 On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:26, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
 CC 4 is still only in two (three?) languages (Kat may want to weigh in?) so
 it is premature for us to move, I think. But I'm optimistic we'll see
 traction in that area soon, and then we can have a movement discussion.
 Sorry that we can't force that to happen faster :)
 
 [To be clear, as I've said on Commons, CC 4.0 is clearly already
 *acceptable* for imported images - obviously free, etc. We just shouldn't
 be encouraging it as the *default* anywhere until there are more languages
 and a movement-wide discussion.]
 
 Luis
 
 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com 
 mailto:wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Can we get an update on the transition plan to 4.0? I am seeing increasing
 amounts of content with 4.0 licensing across the the web, and would like us
 to move sooner rather than later to 4.0 in order to maintain continuity
 with new content where possible.
 
 I am not a licensing expert and I sometimes get headaches trying to
 deconflict licenses.
 
 Thanks,
 Pine
 On Oct 28, 2014 3:00 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
 Hi, Rupert-
 
 I think the movement as a whole should try to move consistently to 4.0 at
 roughly the same time. It is confusing to re-users to have to juggle
 different terms for different pieces of Wikimedia content.[1] So
 Foundation
 content will generally remain 3.0 until we make 4.0 the default license
 across the projects. (I'm aware that some projects have taken this jump on
 the own, but where I've seen this, I've made similar points - for example
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiriesdiff=prevoldid=622093759
 
 .)
 
 WMF Legal plans to launch a movement-wide 4.0 discussion when CC has
 issued
 a solid number of translations, ideally in our largest languages. I
 understand the first few translations will be published in the next few
 weeks, and there is a schedule of upcoming translations on CC's wiki
 https://wiki.creativecommons.org/Legal_Tools_Translation#4.0[2].
 
 Realistically,
 given the holidays, and the lag for large projects, this likely means that
 discussion will happen early in 2015.
 
 Hope that helps-
 Luis
 
 [1] I'm well aware we already have a huge problem with this, but I don't
 want it to get worse. :)
 [2] These are updated by the translation teams, not CC itself, so they may
 not be up-to-date/accurate.
 
 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:00 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:
 
 Hi yana, would you be so kind to explain why wmf did not opt for the
 newest
 commons license, cc-by-sa 4.0?
 
 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cc-by-sa 4.0, Wikimedia logos

2015-02-12 Thread Kat Walsh
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:
 According to the footer at:
 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/
 CC-BY-SA 4.0 is currently available in 34 languages/language variants: [...]

This is just the deeds, not the license text itself.

-Kat


 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 12 Feb 2015, at 20:26, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 CC 4 is still only in two (three?) languages (Kat may want to weigh in?) so
 it is premature for us to move, I think. But I'm optimistic we'll see
 traction in that area soon, and then we can have a movement discussion.
 Sorry that we can't force that to happen faster :)

 [To be clear, as I've said on Commons, CC 4.0 is clearly already
 *acceptable* for imported images - obviously free, etc. We just shouldn't
 be encouraging it as the *default* anywhere until there are more languages
 and a movement-wide discussion.]

 Luis

 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com 
 mailto:wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Can we get an update on the transition plan to 4.0? I am seeing increasing
 amounts of content with 4.0 licensing across the the web, and would like us
 to move sooner rather than later to 4.0 in order to maintain continuity
 with new content where possible.

 I am not a licensing expert and I sometimes get headaches trying to
 deconflict licenses.

 Thanks,
 Pine
 On Oct 28, 2014 3:00 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi, Rupert-

 I think the movement as a whole should try to move consistently to 4.0 at
 roughly the same time. It is confusing to re-users to have to juggle
 different terms for different pieces of Wikimedia content.[1] So
 Foundation
 content will generally remain 3.0 until we make 4.0 the default license
 across the projects. (I'm aware that some projects have taken this jump on
 the own, but where I've seen this, I've made similar points - for example
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiriesdiff=prevoldid=622093759

 .)

 WMF Legal plans to launch a movement-wide 4.0 discussion when CC has
 issued
 a solid number of translations, ideally in our largest languages. I
 understand the first few translations will be published in the next few
 weeks, and there is a schedule of upcoming translations on CC's wiki
 https://wiki.creativecommons.org/Legal_Tools_Translation#4.0[2].

 Realistically,
 given the holidays, and the lag for large projects, this likely means that
 discussion will happen early in 2015.

 Hope that helps-
 Luis

 [1] I'm well aware we already have a huge problem with this, but I don't
 want it to get worse. :)
 [2] These are updated by the translation teams, not CC itself, so they may
 not be up-to-date/accurate.

 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:00 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com

 wrote:

 Hi yana, would you be so kind to explain why wmf did not opt for the
 newest
 commons license, cc-by-sa 4.0?

 Rupert
 On Oct 28, 2014 9:06 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 Good point.  That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.

 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Practical question:
 The template:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
 contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
 }}
 instead)

 Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
 (including all translations)

 Romaine

 2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:

 Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.

 Greetings
 Ting

 Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:

 Hi folks,

 I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos
 on
 Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:

 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/

 I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright
 by
 Wikimedia}}
 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
 [1]
 templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
 [2]
 and
 {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
 org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
 templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
 Community
 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
 [5]
 logos, which were originally released under free licenses.

 There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that
 may
 need
 to
 be updated based on the re-licensed logos.

 Thanks,

 Yana

 [1]
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia

 [2]
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark

 [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0

 [4] 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cc-by-sa 4.0, Wikimedia logos

2015-02-12 Thread Kat Walsh
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 CC 4 is still only in two (three?) languages (Kat may want to weigh in?) so
 it is premature for us to move, I think. But I'm optimistic we'll see
 traction in that area soon, and then we can have a movement discussion.
 Sorry that we can't force that to happen faster :)

There are only two official translations of the 4.0 suite currently
(Norwegian and Finnish), with another ready to publish fairly soon,
maybe 10 or so others in progress. (I note that I'm not there anymore,
though, and can't speak to how things will go forward.)

-Kat

 [To be clear, as I've said on Commons, CC 4.0 is clearly already
 *acceptable* for imported images - obviously free, etc. We just shouldn't
 be encouraging it as the *default* anywhere until there are more languages
 and a movement-wide discussion.]

 Luis

 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Can we get an update on the transition plan to 4.0? I am seeing increasing
 amounts of content with 4.0 licensing across the the web, and would like us
 to move sooner rather than later to 4.0 in order to maintain continuity
 with new content where possible.

 I am not a licensing expert and I sometimes get headaches trying to
 deconflict licenses.

 Thanks,
 Pine
 On Oct 28, 2014 3:00 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi, Rupert-

 I think the movement as a whole should try to move consistently to 4.0 at
 roughly the same time. It is confusing to re-users to have to juggle
 different terms for different pieces of Wikimedia content.[1] So
 Foundation
 content will generally remain 3.0 until we make 4.0 the default license
 across the projects. (I'm aware that some projects have taken this jump on
 the own, but where I've seen this, I've made similar points - for example
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiriesdiff=prevoldid=622093759
 
 .)

 WMF Legal plans to launch a movement-wide 4.0 discussion when CC has
 issued
 a solid number of translations, ideally in our largest languages. I
 understand the first few translations will be published in the next few
 weeks, and there is a schedule of upcoming translations on CC's wiki
 https://wiki.creativecommons.org/Legal_Tools_Translation#4.0[2].

 Realistically,
 given the holidays, and the lag for large projects, this likely means that
 discussion will happen early in 2015.

 Hope that helps-
 Luis

 [1] I'm well aware we already have a huge problem with this, but I don't
 want it to get worse. :)
 [2] These are updated by the translation teams, not CC itself, so they may
 not be up-to-date/accurate.

 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:00 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:

  Hi yana, would you be so kind to explain why wmf did not opt for the
 newest
  commons license, cc-by-sa 4.0?
 
  Rupert
  On Oct 28, 2014 9:06 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
 
  Good point.  That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.
 
  On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Practical question:
   The template:
   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
   contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
 }}
   instead)
  
   Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
   (including all translations)
  
   Romaine
  
   2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
  
Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
   
Greetings
Ting
   
Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
   
 Hi folks,
   
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos
 on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
   
  https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
   
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright
 by
Wikimedia}}

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
  [1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
 [2]
   and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
   [5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
   
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that
 may
   need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
   
Thanks,
   
Yana
   
[1]
  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
   
[2]
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
   

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cc-by-sa 4.0, Wikimedia logos

2015-02-12 Thread Luis Villa
CC 4 is still only in two (three?) languages (Kat may want to weigh in?) so
it is premature for us to move, I think. But I'm optimistic we'll see
traction in that area soon, and then we can have a movement discussion.
Sorry that we can't force that to happen faster :)

[To be clear, as I've said on Commons, CC 4.0 is clearly already
*acceptable* for imported images - obviously free, etc. We just shouldn't
be encouraging it as the *default* anywhere until there are more languages
and a movement-wide discussion.]

Luis

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Can we get an update on the transition plan to 4.0? I am seeing increasing
 amounts of content with 4.0 licensing across the the web, and would like us
 to move sooner rather than later to 4.0 in order to maintain continuity
 with new content where possible.

 I am not a licensing expert and I sometimes get headaches trying to
 deconflict licenses.

 Thanks,
 Pine
 On Oct 28, 2014 3:00 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi, Rupert-

 I think the movement as a whole should try to move consistently to 4.0 at
 roughly the same time. It is confusing to re-users to have to juggle
 different terms for different pieces of Wikimedia content.[1] So
 Foundation
 content will generally remain 3.0 until we make 4.0 the default license
 across the projects. (I'm aware that some projects have taken this jump on
 the own, but where I've seen this, I've made similar points - for example
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiriesdiff=prevoldid=622093759
 
 .)

 WMF Legal plans to launch a movement-wide 4.0 discussion when CC has
 issued
 a solid number of translations, ideally in our largest languages. I
 understand the first few translations will be published in the next few
 weeks, and there is a schedule of upcoming translations on CC's wiki
 https://wiki.creativecommons.org/Legal_Tools_Translation#4.0[2].

 Realistically,
 given the holidays, and the lag for large projects, this likely means that
 discussion will happen early in 2015.

 Hope that helps-
 Luis

 [1] I'm well aware we already have a huge problem with this, but I don't
 want it to get worse. :)
 [2] These are updated by the translation teams, not CC itself, so they may
 not be up-to-date/accurate.

 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:00 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:

  Hi yana, would you be so kind to explain why wmf did not opt for the
 newest
  commons license, cc-by-sa 4.0?
 
  Rupert
  On Oct 28, 2014 9:06 PM, Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
 
  Good point.  That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.
 
  On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Practical question:
   The template:
   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
   contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
 }}
   instead)
  
   Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
   (including all translations)
  
   Romaine
  
   2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
  
Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
   
Greetings
Ting
   
Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
   
 Hi folks,
   
I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos
 on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
   
  https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
   
I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright
 by
Wikimedia}}

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
  [1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
 [2]
   and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} https://commons.wikimedia.
org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0[3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg[4] and the
Community

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
   [5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
   
There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing[6], that
 may
   need
to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
   
Thanks,
   
Yana
   
[1]
  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
   
[2]
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
   
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
   
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
   
[5]
   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
   
[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
   
   
   
   
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