Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Andrew Bogott
On 3/11/15 12:03 AM, MZMcBride wrote: snip But more to the point: even if by some miracle, this case were resolved in 2015 with a very explicit federal court order instructing the National Security Agency to cease mass surveillance, is there anyone who believes that this will end mass

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Let's hope so. A key point is that the extraordinary overreach of this surveillance affects everyone. I am absolutely delighted that the Wikimedia Foundation has taken this courageous step - precisely because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (Announcement) CIS-A2K Program Director Transition

2015-03-11 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala
Hi, Thanks Subhashish for the update. Thank you Vishnu, for your leadership of CIS-A2K team over the past two years in growing the Wikipedia movement across India in various languages. It is not an easy job to work in the open wikimedia movement as a staff member of NGO funded by Foundation.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread geni
On 11 March 2015 at 08:37, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The fact that law suits like this actually happen is a wonderful improvement in and of itself. Our aim is to freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Free has many meaning, one of them is free to share without

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sigh ... being spied upon by the AIVD is not fine. However, they have a duty to Dutch people and the argument that the NSA is benign to US-Americans equally applies to the AIVD. We do serve Wikimedia content from Amsterdam. The notion that the AIVD is incompetent is based on what ? It is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The fact that law suits like this actually happen is a wonderful improvement in and of itself. Our aim is to freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Free has many meaning, one of them is free to share without consequences.It is not only about free of cost.In the past we implemented https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Josh Lim
Thanks for the news, Michelle, and good luck to the Legal team as this case moves forward. :) That being said, I am concerned that the Foundation seems to give unequal airtime to U.S.-specific issues, while not really doing much about similar issues in other parts of the world. Much of my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please read this article by the Volkskrant (in the translation of your tools) and you see that a review by a judge can be extremely useful. It also shows that organisations like the NSA can and do lose.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-11 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:03 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. I'm of two minds here. I would love for mass surveillance to stop; the revelations of the past few years are disgusting. However, this lawsuit has the appearance of being the start of a completely un-winnable case