Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible conflict of interests

[Rui Correia]

Thanks, Geni

I just wanted to hear a few opinions before making it 'official' by
taking it up on a notice board. I will try the list you suggest.

Regards,

Rui

2015-03-21 18:53 GMT+02:00 geni :
> On 21 March 2015 at 15:22, Rui Correia  wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>> I was not aware that there might be that much difference from one Wp
>> to another, but, yes, I am referring to the English WP.
>>
>
>
> The English Wikipedia has an adequate selection of noticeboards where you
> can ask such a question or alternatively it has its own mailing list:
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Well-Tempered Clavier

[Gergo Tisza]

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Rob  wrote:

> Fantastic!  Any idea if they will be recording book II of the Clavier as
> well?


*Are you going to work on bringing BWV 870—893 (Well-Tempered Clavier Book
2) to the audience next? Or would you explore something else?*

*Kimiko:* My next project, which will be an audio-only project, will be to
record the Chopin Préludes on a Pleyel piano that Chopin himself actually
played.

It's an exciting project, especially when you realize that Chopin dedicated
the Préludes to Camille Pleyel, piano maker and owner of Salle Pleyel in
Paris, at the time Chopin lived there.

There will be a Kickstarter campaign for this project that launches very
very soon!

http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/kimiko-ishizaka-and-musescore-team-release-open-well-tempered-clavier

The whole interview is worth reading, lots of interesting stuff there.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Megan Hernandez  > wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here's a quick follow up on a couple issues from this thread.
>>
>> The fundraising team will be posting feedback analysis on March 1.
>>
>
>
> Thanks, Megan. I look forward to your feedback analysis.
>


Further to this and prior threads discussing the fundraising banners, the
Wikimedia Foundation last week released the Wikimedia Survey: Findings on
Fundraising Questions.[1]

This was covered in a report in the Signpost last week[2], and there is an
op-ed by myself in this week's Signpost.[3]

[1]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Wikimedia_2014_English_Fundraiser_Survey.pdf
[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-03-11/Special_report

[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-03-18/Op-ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Well-Tempered Clavier

[Quim Gil]

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> The Open Well-Tempered Clavier is a project to record a complete
> performance of this work and release the music files, as well as proofread
> digital sheet music, to the public domain. It was crowd-funded through
> Kickstarter.
>

Another way to look at this project is: a small team pledged for $30k, got
$44k thanks to hundreds of backers, and delivered what they promised, all
this requiring (as far as I know) exactly zero resources from any Wikimedia
organization.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/opengoldberg/open-well-tempered-clavier-bah-to-bach
(tagged as #classical-music)

Crowdfunding is on the rise, and tags in this field are important because
once you fund a project about #tag you get recommendations for more #tag
projects. Maybe we could partner with Creative Commons and friends to
request Kickstarter and the other platforms to include a #freeknowledge
tag, or a similar alternative (this example could have also been
#public-domain)? Or maybe someone is already working on this?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible conflict of interests

[geni]

On 21 March 2015 at 15:22, Rui Correia  wrote:

> Hi Peter
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I was not aware that there might be that much difference from one Wp
> to another, but, yes, I am referring to the English WP.
>


The English Wikipedia has an adequate selection of noticeboards where you
can ask such a question or alternatively it has its own mailing list:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible conflict of interests

[Peter Southwood]

Hi Rui, 
I have no idea of the policies of other Wikipedias in this matter, they may be 
identical for all I know, or may differ considerably. That is why I qualified 
my response. The possibility exists that more than one person may have the same 
name, and he may not be the same person associated with the publisher. If he 
denies that he is the same person, then the policy of privacy and not divulging 
a user's identity should still apply. 
It is a difficult problem. I don’t know of a transparent and fair solution that 
is compatible with the Wikipedia policies. 
Cheers,
Peter

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Hi Peter

Thanks for your reply.

I was not aware that there might be that much difference from one Wp to 
another, but, yes, I am referring to the English WP. The editor himself added 
his name in a post, in one other post another editor refers to him by name. 
From there, googling his name leads to publications that establish his 
association with the publisher.

Regards,

Rui

2015-03-21 17:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Southwood :
> Rui,
> I think this is a Wikipedia policy issue, and the policy may differ depending 
> on which Wikipedia is involved.
> In the case of en: I speak under correction, but as far as I remember this 
> would be considered a conflict of interests. I don’t know what you consider 
> overwhelming proof of identity, but what constitutes sufficient evidence has 
> led to a large number of acrimonious disagreements in the past, and the 
> policy against publicly identifying a user and that of proving COI are 
> mutually incompatible with the general preference for transparency of process.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
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> [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rui 
> Correia
> Sent: 21 March 2015 04:06 PM
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> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible 
> conflict of interests
>
> Dear All
>
> if this is the wrong place to post this, please accept my apologies.
>
> If a scientist has published works - papers and books - on a specific 
> area of expertise, and that scientist is also a Wikipedia editor, 
> USING a made up username
>
> 1. can they use/ cite their own works as sources and base arguments on those 
> sources?
>
> 2. should they disclose somewhere (user page) that they are in fact the 
> author of the works? This would mean that the link between username and real 
> name would be established.
>
> 3. If they have a close relationship with a major source - such as 
> Britannica, CIA fact book, National Geographic - and repeatedly use and 
> defend the use of that source, should they disclose the relationship? By 
> close relationship I mean they are part of the team of expert consultants, 
> they are otherwise involved in the reegular activities of the publisher, they 
> defend the publisher in public foruns on the internet, they publish regularly 
> in the name of the publisher.
>
> 4. And if said user denies that they are the same person as the author, 
> depite overwhelming proof in the WP and the internet?
>
> Does any of these situations constitute a conflict of interests and should 
> they come clean and disclose the association?
>
> Any constructive constributions via the list or directly to my address will 
> be welcome.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui Correia
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Well-Tempered Clavier

[Amir E. Aharoni]

I don't know, I wondered, too.
בתאריך 21 במרץ 2015 17:58, ‏"Rob"  כתב:

> Fantastic!  Any idea if they will be recording book II of the Clavier as
> well?
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Shlomi Fish 
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 15:39:52 +0200
> > "Amir E. Aharoni"  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Plenty of things like this happen in the Wikimedia world every day, but
> > as
> > > a music lover I'm especially happy about this one: The Open
> Well-Tempered
> > > Clavier project was completed yesterday with the public domain release
> of
> > > all the music files, and it's already on Commons:
> > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_Well-Tempered_Clavier
> > >
> > > In case you didn't know, The Well-Tempered Clavier by Johann Sebastian
> > Bach
> > > is one of the most popular and influential works of European classical
> > > music. The Open Well-Tempered Clavier is a project to record a complete
> > > performance of this work and release the music files, as well as
> > proofread
> > > digital sheet music, to the public domain. It was crowd-funded through
> > > Kickstarter.
> > >
> > > The Well-Tempered Clavier is kinda like the "Dark Side of the Moon" of
> > > classical music - if you listen to classical music, you likely own a
> > > recording of it already, but since we are free culture geeks here, I'm
> > sure
> > > that you'll appreciate having this copy, too.
> > >
> >
> > Nice! Thanks!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Shlomi Fish
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Well-Tempered Clavier

[Rob]

Fantastic!  Any idea if they will be recording book II of the Clavier as
well?

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:04 AM, Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 15:39:52 +0200
> "Amir E. Aharoni"  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Plenty of things like this happen in the Wikimedia world every day, but
> as
> > a music lover I'm especially happy about this one: The Open Well-Tempered
> > Clavier project was completed yesterday with the public domain release of
> > all the music files, and it's already on Commons:
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_Well-Tempered_Clavier
> >
> > In case you didn't know, The Well-Tempered Clavier by Johann Sebastian
> Bach
> > is one of the most popular and influential works of European classical
> > music. The Open Well-Tempered Clavier is a project to record a complete
> > performance of this work and release the music files, as well as
> proofread
> > digital sheet music, to the public domain. It was crowd-funded through
> > Kickstarter.
> >
> > The Well-Tempered Clavier is kinda like the "Dark Side of the Moon" of
> > classical music - if you listen to classical music, you likely own a
> > recording of it already, but since we are free culture geeks here, I'm
> sure
> > that you'll appreciate having this copy, too.
> >
>
> Nice! Thanks!
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible conflict of interests

[Rui Correia]

Hi Peter

Thanks for your reply.

I was not aware that there might be that much difference from one Wp
to another, but, yes, I am referring to the English WP. The editor
himself added his name in a post, in one other post another editor
refers to him by name. From there, googling his name leads to
publications that establish his association with the publisher.

Regards,

Rui

2015-03-21 17:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Southwood :
> Rui,
> I think this is a Wikipedia policy issue, and the policy may differ depending 
> on which Wikipedia is involved.
> In the case of en: I speak under correction, but as far as I remember this 
> would be considered a conflict of interests. I don’t know what you consider 
> overwhelming proof of identity, but what constitutes sufficient evidence has 
> led to a large number of acrimonious disagreements in the past, and the 
> policy against publicly identifying a user and that of proving COI are 
> mutually incompatible with the general preference for transparency of process.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rui Correia
> Sent: 21 March 2015 04:06 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible conflict 
> of interests
>
> Dear All
>
> if this is the wrong place to post this, please accept my apologies.
>
> If a scientist has published works - papers and books - on a specific area of 
> expertise, and that scientist is also a Wikipedia editor, USING a made up 
> username
>
> 1. can they use/ cite their own works as sources and base arguments on those 
> sources?
>
> 2. should they disclose somewhere (user page) that they are in fact the 
> author of the works? This would mean that the link between username and real 
> name would be established.
>
> 3. If they have a close relationship with a major source - such as 
> Britannica, CIA fact book, National Geographic - and repeatedly use and 
> defend the use of that source, should they disclose the relationship? By 
> close relationship I mean they are part of the team of expert consultants, 
> they are otherwise involved in the reegular activities of the publisher, they 
> defend the publisher in public foruns on the internet, they publish regularly 
> in the name of the publisher.
>
> 4. And if said user denies that they are the same person as the author, 
> depite overwhelming proof in the WP and the internet?
>
> Does any of these situations constitute a conflict of interests and should 
> they come clean and disclose the association?
>
> Any constructive constributions via the list or directly to my address will 
> be welcome.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui Correia
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible conflict of interests

[Peter Southwood]

Rui,
I think this is a Wikipedia policy issue, and the policy may differ depending 
on which Wikipedia is involved.
In the case of en: I speak under correction, but as far as I remember this 
would be considered a conflict of interests. I don’t know what you consider 
overwhelming proof of identity, but what constitutes sufficient evidence has 
led to a large number of acrimonious disagreements in the past, and the policy 
against publicly identifying a user and that of proving COI are mutually 
incompatible with the general preference for transparency of process. 
Cheers,
Peter

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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible conflict of 
interests

Dear All

if this is the wrong place to post this, please accept my apologies.

If a scientist has published works - papers and books - on a specific area of 
expertise, and that scientist is also a Wikipedia editor, USING a made up 
username

1. can they use/ cite their own works as sources and base arguments on those 
sources?

2. should they disclose somewhere (user page) that they are in fact the author 
of the works? This would mean that the link between username and real name 
would be established.

3. If they have a close relationship with a major source - such as Britannica, 
CIA fact book, National Geographic - and repeatedly use and defend the use of 
that source, should they disclose the relationship? By close relationship I 
mean they are part of the team of expert consultants, they are otherwise 
involved in the reegular activities of the publisher, they defend the publisher 
in public foruns on the internet, they publish regularly in the name of the 
publisher.

4. And if said user denies that they are the same person as the author, depite 
overwhelming proof in the WP and the internet?

Does any of these situations constitute a conflict of interests and should they 
come clean and disclose the association?

Any constructive constributions via the list or directly to my address will be 
welcome.

Regards,

Rui Correia

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[Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources & possible conflict of interests

[Rui Correia]

Dear All

if this is the wrong place to post this, please accept my apologies.

If a scientist has published works - papers and books - on a specific
area of expertise, and that scientist is also a Wikipedia editor,
USING a made up username

1. can they use/ cite their own works as sources and base arguments on
those sources?

2. should they disclose somewhere (user page) that they are in fact
the author of the works? This would mean that the link between
username and real name would be established.

3. If they have a close relationship with a major source - such as
Britannica, CIA fact book, National Geographic - and repeatedly use
and defend the use of that source, should they disclose the
relationship? By close relationship I mean they are part of the team
of expert consultants, they are otherwise involved in the reegular
activities of the publisher, they defend the publisher in public
foruns on the internet, they publish regularly in the name of the
publisher.

4. And if said user denies that they are the same person as the
author, depite overwhelming proof in the WP and the internet?

Does any of these situations constitute a conflict of interests and
should they come clean and disclose the association?

Any constructive constributions via the list or directly to my address
will be welcome.

Regards,

Rui Correia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Well-Tempered Clavier

[Shlomi Fish]

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 15:39:52 +0200
"Amir E. Aharoni"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Plenty of things like this happen in the Wikimedia world every day, but as
> a music lover I'm especially happy about this one: The Open Well-Tempered
> Clavier project was completed yesterday with the public domain release of
> all the music files, and it's already on Commons:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_Well-Tempered_Clavier
> 
> In case you didn't know, The Well-Tempered Clavier by Johann Sebastian Bach
> is one of the most popular and influential works of European classical
> music. The Open Well-Tempered Clavier is a project to record a complete
> performance of this work and release the music files, as well as proofread
> digital sheet music, to the public domain. It was crowd-funded through
> Kickstarter.
> 
> The Well-Tempered Clavier is kinda like the "Dark Side of the Moon" of
> classical music - if you listen to classical music, you likely own a
> recording of it already, but since we are free culture geeks here, I'm sure
> that you'll appreciate having this copy, too.
> 

Nice! Thanks!

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Well-Tempered Clavier

[Philippe Beaudette]

Likewise, I adore this project.  I'm so delighted to see this, and love
that it happened just before 3/21, 330 years after the birth of JS Bach.
Thank you, Amir, for sharing this.

pb


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On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Gayle Karen Young 
wrote:

> Listening to this right now with joy. Thanks!
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Ricordisamoa <
> ricordisa...@openmailbox.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Il 20/03/2015 14:39, Amir E. Aharoni ha scritto:
> >
> >> My personal thanks to the people who develop Pywikibot, thanks to which
> >> uploading 48 huge files to Commons was easy (and indeed, possible - one
> of
> >> them is over 100MB).
> >>
> >
> > \o/
> >
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