Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

2015-04-22 Thread Gregory Varnum
I should note it was a WMF design consultant that did this and not a volunteer (well - that it was not a committee volunteer I can verify). My understanding was they were working from UX team's guidelines as they design other banners for WMF. The request that we received was to go with a banner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-22 11:54 AM, Sydney Poore wrote: I fully support allowing our talented and dedicated WMF staff to have the opportunity to choose the people who guide the direction of the WMF. I'd like to add to this that the (pretty small) set of staffers that would not otherwise have had eligibility

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Eloquence~metawiki Geekpoints, +2 *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad. Nicely done. :-) Kudos to you, Kunal everyone else involved in finally bringing this one home. Eloquence~metawiki ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Anna Stillwell
Really nicely done. Given how you spoke of this earlier I thought for sure this would not be as seamless as it appears to have gone. Congrats again. /a On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Erik Moeller

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

2015-04-22 Thread James Alexander
Aye, I asked a designer to give some nice options and presented them to the committee. While there are certainly some people who have not liked the banner I have generally heard good feedback overall from community members (significantly more good then bad) and have made adjustments to the banner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

2015-04-22 Thread Szymon Grabarczuk
I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers. On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: It's horribly ugly, I expected more. I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I don't know) but we had way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

2015-04-22 Thread Aleksey Bilogur
Looks fine to me. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk tar.locesil...@gmail.com wrote: I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from several volunteers. On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote: It's horribly ugly, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

2015-04-22 Thread Gregory Varnum
To be clear by our banners I meant Wikimedia banners - not elections banners. ;) -greg On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our banners. Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Bohdan Melnychuk
I don't see why employees (no diff whether it's about WMF or affiliates) who are not also volunteers should have the vote right. It's up to Wikimedia movement to chose it's lead. The non-volunteering employees are outsiders who are just hired to do some stuff for us since we tend to be lazy. If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Gregory Varnum
Greetings, Thank you for bringing up this important topic. I wanted to share some info on where things stand right now with this year's elections. 1. The committee did discuss the issue of affiliate staff having a vote. It appears that a number of affiliates (not all) allow their staff to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Sydney Poore
I find the WMF staff who I interact with to be an inspiration to me with their dedication to the mission to the global wikimedia movement. Perhaps the reason that many of them are not volunteering as on site contributors is because they are too busy with a day job that is solely focused on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Aleksey Bilogur
My two cents: no, no, no, absolutely not, by all means no, never. I am strongly, strongly, strongly opposed to such a move. The chapters already elect two members of the Board, and that's quite enough. When it comes to matters concerning strategic direction chapters are the movement equivalent of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

2015-04-22 Thread Gregory Varnum
I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our banners. Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every banner we use. ;) That said, it would be helpful to have some more constructive feedback to pass along to the next committee. What exactly would you suggest be changed?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
+1 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 10:51:25 -0400 From: aleksey.bilo...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections My two cents: no, no, no, absolutely not, by all means no, never. I am strongly, strongly, strongly opposed to such a move.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

2015-04-22 Thread Szymon Grabarczuk
Oh, it's not about the idea of banners or about their usual performance, it's about this particular ribbon. When I set anonnotice or sitenotice on a big wiki, I aim the statement to be aligned with UX... discoveries. Don't set extensive dark backgrounds (unless it's about to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Nov 11, 2004, at 03:27:00 UTC , Erik Moeller erik_moel...@gmx.de wrote [1]: Hi, there's been some movement forward on the Single User Login (SUL) issue. I ask the Board to review this mail carefully as this has significant long- term implications and we need Board input to go ahead. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Pine W
Personally, I'm less concerned about staff votes than I am about having only a relatively small number of community members vote. If there is a substantial turnout of community votes then the enfranchisement of staff is a non-issue. I think there would be more cause for concern if is only 1800

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Gregory Varnum
Two quick notes: 1. People with a block on more than one wiki are not eligible to vote. 2. Wikimedia User Groups generally are not incorporated - that is just one of the ways they vary from other affiliate models. They are recognized by the AffCom, but are not required to legally incorporate as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Aleksey Bilogur
Re: Gregory. I did not mean incorporation in the legal sense, rather, I meant it in the community sense, sorry for not being clear :). To clarify, I am not opposed to lowering the barriers to entry, I am opposed to doing both that and this, too. I see two threads of thought here, automatically

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Aleksey Bilogur
Frankly, I think such views are naive idealism. There is a political reality that would come about as a result of such a change, one at the highest level, that need to be understood and addressed. I do not even believe that this is a discussion that should occur at the community level. This is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Sydney Poore
I was speaking in support of keeping the current policy which allows WMF staff to vote even if they do not meet the eligibility guidelines with a volunteer account. The issue of allowing staff in affiliated organizations who are not volunteers vote is more complex because they could have minimal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Gregory Varnum
That was three notes - not two - sorry. ;P On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: Two quick notes: 1. People with a block on more than one wiki are not eligible to vote. 2. Wikimedia User Groups generally are not incorporated - that is just one of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I find the WMF staff who I interact with to be an inspiration to me with their dedication to the mission to the global wikimedia movement. So do I. :) Perhaps the reason that many of them are not volunteering as on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Nathan
The idea of community elected seats is just that; the electors are members of the community. So if we decide that employees of community organizations, like the WMF, are part of the Wikimedia community... then they should have the right to vote on community seats of the Board of Trustees. Whether

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Dan Garry
Nice work, Kunal and Keegan. :-) Dan On 21 April 2015 at 23:34, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Nov 11, 2004, at 03:27:00 UTC , Erik Moeller erik_moel...@gmx.de wrote [1]: Hi, there's been some movement forward on the Single User Login (SUL) issue. I ask the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Sydney Poore
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I find the WMF staff who I interact with to be an inspiration to me with their dedication to the mission to the global wikimedia movement.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Aleksey Bilogur
Employees of WMDE, a large chunk of whose funding is dependent on the decisions of the body they have just been enfranchised to vote for. Yeah, no COI there *at all*. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of community elected seats is just that; the electors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Aleksey Bilogur aleksey.bilo...@gmail.com wrote: Employees of WMDE, a large chunk of whose funding is dependent on the decisions of the body they have just been enfranchised to vote for. Yeah, no COI there *at all*. Er, no more than any staff member of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread
On 22 April 2015 at 19:26, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: ... At a time in our movement when we are reaching out to partner organization (GLAM, universities, etc) to engage them in activities that are outside of making on wiki edits, I think we need to expand our ideas about who is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi, The case I found says: - Registered: XX feb 2011 (4 years ago), which is actually the date when the CentralAuth claims that the account was attached on. But: - First edit: XX may 2006 This dates do not match when an account was created locally and when an account was created

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I find the WMF staff who I interact with to be an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Eduardo Testart etest...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I do not know if this is the right thread to post this (otherwise ignore and please post me in the right direction). I believe that there is a bug in the Central Auth, since I've seen at least two users where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: What you're likely seeing that's causing confusion is the difference between when an account was created locally and when an account was created globally. For example, on 16/17 March 1.4 million local accounts

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi, I do not know if this is the right thread to post this (otherwise ignore and please post me in the right direction). I believe that there is a bug in the Central Auth, since I've seen at least two users where the information that appears about when they started editing does not match the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Ori Livneh
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad. 1. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-November/061327.html 2. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-April/077576.html