[Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
During this Wikimedia Conference 2015 there was a paradigm shift in the way problems are expressed. It was highlighted that the wikimedia movement is not only about gathering and sharing knowledge, but also about the people behind it, about finding ways to enhance the togetherness that is created

[Wikimedia-l] Sign-up list for the We cabal

2015-05-23 Thread Jane Darnell
David Andrea, I so want to join this new we in the wikimedia movement thingy! Where's the sign-up page? I especially like the contributor-contributor part and would like to emphasis that our disconnects are so much worse when they are cross-project than just the usual within-project edit wars.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmcon15] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2015-05-23 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
+1. Thank you for a lovely conference! *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:09

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It would be good.. The thing is that we are so many communities. All of them have their place and all of them have their relevance. Sociology indicates that the own group is the most important of all. It is why there is so little room to understand what is important for another, it is why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. I don't know how you're going to shoehorn we into Wikimedia movement. I guess, similar to putting the me in team, it will require transposing letters? Or perhaps dropping letters altogether (since we[!] already have a W and several Es)? Hmm, or I suppose a careful alignment of the two words

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread Pine W
His MZMcBride, I agree with Micru on a number of points, particularly that it would be helpful to think of Wikimedia as a social movement, with all of the diversity and methods of interaction among ourselves making us a very complex social environment. I'm in the process of writing a piece for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread FRED BAUDER
Video is not necessary. Fred On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:42:34 -0700 David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com wrote: I third that! However we are entering the field of privacy, because as useful the virtual meetings can be, they might be intrusive if you are in your home and you show your whole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread
How? Default to open meetings, not closed or invitation only. Default to open wikis and lists, not closed. Virtual attendance at meetings and conferences. Wikimania has always been an opportunity to showcase virtual meetings, and encourage those of us unable to fly (or not rich enough to pay)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 7:22 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I don't know how you're going to shoehorn we into Wikimedia movement. I guess, similar to putting the me in team, it will require transposing letters? Or perhaps dropping letters altogether (since we[!] already have a W and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: How can we [l]itigate against this, while making our projects more social? Hi Andy, regarding your question I guess there is no definite answer, perhaps it is something inherent to social systems, so in a way there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread pi zero
I agree with a bunch of what you're saying here. That's probably worth saying up front, because I'm going to disagree with a bunch of it, too. to assume good faith. Assume good faith, and nearby concepts such as be civil, have in the long term severely damaged the social infrastructure of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 23 May 2015 at 17:08, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I like the idea of fostering more and friendlier connections among community member So do I. However, the coreallry to this is the firamtion of cliques, which can be equally unwlecoming to new editors and can entrench systemic biases.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread Jane Darnell
I'll second that! On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 6:29 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: How? Default to open meetings, not closed or invitation only. Default to open wikis and lists, not closed. Virtual attendance at meetings and conferences. Wikimania has always been an opportunity to showcase

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
I third that! However we are entering the field of privacy, because as useful the virtual meetings can be, they might be intrusive if you are in your home and you show your whole house to the world. As long as people are happy about that, then I do not see any problem in increasing the number of