Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
FWIW, Community Engagement will be doing something similar (mix of positive-serious with positive-fun) in metrics meeting every month. You can see the first iteration during last month's metrics meeting: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2015-05 Luis On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:44 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Ps Fabrice sent the blog roundup while I was writing this! Those are all cool things. Would love to learn about more as well. Phoebe On Jun 4, 2015 2:41 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I need a break from thinking about things going wrong. And so per Milos' observation that discussion here is falling off, I thought I'd start an open discussion thread about things going right. What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is happening in the Wikimedia world? My contribution: the SF Wikimedia list just had an announcement about an edit-a-thon (organized by Jake Orlowitz at the wmf office) that is happening during the American Libraries Conference, which is in SF this year. 30,000 librarians attend ALA! I'm super pleased we are infiltrating library conferences :) What's happening over in your part of the project? Phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Luis Villa Sr. Director of Community Engagement Wikimedia Foundation *Working towards a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge.*___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is happening in the Wikimedia world? That the WMF is one of the charities in this week's Humble Bundle (along with MSF and charity:water) -- and it's actually a pretty good bundle. https://www.humblebundle.com/ Dan Rosenthal On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: FWIW, Community Engagement will be doing something similar (mix of positive-serious with positive-fun) in metrics meeting every month. You can see the first iteration during last month's metrics meeting: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2015-05 Luis On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:44 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Ps Fabrice sent the blog roundup while I was writing this! Those are all cool things. Would love to learn about more as well. Phoebe On Jun 4, 2015 2:41 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I need a break from thinking about things going wrong. And so per Milos' observation that discussion here is falling off, I thought I'd start an open discussion thread about things going right. What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is happening in the Wikimedia world? My contribution: the SF Wikimedia list just had an announcement about an edit-a-thon (organized by Jake Orlowitz at the wmf office) that is happening during the American Libraries Conference, which is in SF this year. 30,000 librarians attend ALA! I'm super pleased we are infiltrating library conferences :) What's happening over in your part of the project? Phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Luis Villa Sr. Director of Community Engagement Wikimedia Foundation *Working towards a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
I am AWFULLY biased about this, but I'll be shameless anyway; please slap me if I overstep the self-promotion. I did a Wikipedia editing workshop in the University of South Africa in Pretoria yesterday. As far as I know, it was the first one ever that focused on using the recently enabled ContentTranslation beta feature. It was six hours long and had nine participants, only two of whom had any editing experience. It produced *fourteen* complete articles in Zulu, Xhosa, Sotho, Tswana, Afrikaans and French. Except the latter two, the Wikipedias in these languages are barely active. I conducted dozens of editing workshops, and this one was, by far, the most productive ever by the amount of content created, considering the time and the participants' experience. Time will tell how well can it be replicated and improved upon and how many participants will stick, but I'm optimistic. I'll write a more detailed post later today. בתאריך 5 ביוני 2015 00:41, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com כתב: I need a break from thinking about things going wrong. And so per Milos' observation that discussion here is falling off, I thought I'd start an open discussion thread about things going right. What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is happening in the Wikimedia world? My contribution: the SF Wikimedia list just had an announcement about an edit-a-thon (organized by Jake Orlowitz at the wmf office) that is happening during the American Libraries Conference, which is in SF this year. 30,000 librarians attend ALA! I'm super pleased we are infiltrating library conferences :) What's happening over in your part of the project? Phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Huh, I didn't have intention to make anyone depressive. You didn't! I was thinking of other unrelated things. :) Languages list suddenly revived. And during one day we've learned for three separate initiatives for building Wikipedia articles in a number of Latin American native languages. That reminded me that there are a lot of people in the wild willing to work on Wikipedia content, even in many languages which don't have its edition of Wikipedia yet. And we should start searching for them collectively. Very cool! Which languages? Phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
On Jun 5, 2015 03:01, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Huh, I didn't have intention to make anyone depressive. You didn't! I was thinking of other unrelated things. :) Glad to hear that :) I mean, at least I am not the cause... Languages list suddenly revived. And during one day we've learned for three separate initiatives for building Wikipedia articles in a number of Latin American native languages. That reminded me that there are a lot of people in the wild willing to work on Wikipedia content, even in many languages which don't have its edition of Wikipedia yet. And we should start searching for them collectively. Very cool! Which languages? Global Voices folk are going to Bogota and one Wayuu speaker will join them. We have incubator project. Similarly, French Wikimedian Sylvain Mailler is working on Kichwa Incubator and he has access to native speakers, as his wife is Kichwa (from Ecuador). Canadian doctor and Wikipedia activist James Heilman is working on medical articles in Guarani, Haitan Creole, K'iche', and Quechua. Except Ki'che', we have projects in all other languages. Translation companies are donating those translations, which opens interesting area, that we didn't explore yet. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Involved people matter; and some hot topics (was: Community health (retitled thread))
Milos, thanks for your long email because it highlights some problems I mentioned already in another long email (Building a we in the wikimedia movement). It is in fact hard to deal with social systems, but nevertheless important if we want the movement to survive to itself. The greatest enemy are the dynamics that neglect volunteers instead of empowering them, that try to centralize the system to make it more efficient around technological solutions, instead of making more effective at building a togetherness, which is in the end the only thing that can keep it alive. The thing is that these kind of paradigm shifts only happen with the will of personal transformation. I often hear if only the wmf did this or that, however I seldom read if only I was able to be a more agreeable volunteer to work with. Involvement comes from perceived benefit, and in our case it seems that the metrics went wrong long ago, first in article count, then in number of volunteers, then funds raised, KPIs, etc, etc, and I say it is all useless metrics that don't reflect at all the health of the movement. I agree that number of healthy discussions might be a much better indicator, and I also agree that the social aspects of the movement are the key parameter, and for that reason I have joined your initiative. In systems engineering the emergent properties of the whole depend on the individual properties of the agents, so that should be the main focus, to encourage growth of the volunteer community, to establish paths for them to advance, and of course to let these advances to spread out to the whole community. The practical wisdom cultivated while attending conferences, reading lists, establishing contacts, etc, is a rare quality and there are not enough efforts to make it more prominent or appreciated. But again who should do this effort? It is the task of each person to assume its own wished responsibility to transform himself or herself for the benefit of all the community. Power exists in every organization, however power-grabbing should be coupled with the path of personal transformation that allows to use this power in a constructive way which makes people feel more motivated. In my personal experience I have worked with managers that just by being themselves were able to get more commitment from my side than others who stick to the procedures. Why so? Because it is easily noticeable who is using power to empower, or who is using it as an uncontrolled ak-47 to calm their inner frustrations. I sincerely hope that your initiative gains traction, together with others we run a similar initiative on Wikidata for some time https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Lounge From the experience I can say that it is not as easy to do it online as it would have been in person. In the end what matters is the personal commitment to other fellow wikimedians, and it is much easier to commit to other people who you met in person before or had some contact. Anyhow, if more people would join, it could lead to the formation of a user group and as a group it is much easier to have a say in procedures and try to make them more human. For me this is not just about complaining, but about finding ways for effective action that leads to more people interested to transcend their own limitations, just as I would like to transcend mine. Thanks again for your bravery, and I hope it leads to positive change. Cheers, Micru On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Looking into the numbers and having in mind events of those times, I don't think that the main reason for less traffic here is because of moderation for this particular drop, from April to May this year. Drop from quite regular ~300kB of gzipped file to ~160kB says that something extraordinary happened. And the main reason is likely about the Board elections themselves. However, there is the trend which lasts since April 2012 and it's not again about anything external to this list, but to the events internal to this list and the core of the community. For five or more previous years I hear the reasoning let's new people talk. That's, of course, quite good idea and the vitality of the community depends on the influx of the new people. However, after a number of years I don't see that the discussion on this list is flourishing. Instead of heated but substantial discussions, the amount of discussions at all is very low. From the 50 last threads (May 11-June 4), 20 didn't have any response and 11 have one response (one response doesn't create a discussion). That's 62% of all threads. Besides that, the main reason of why still have the editing community is the fact that natural systems usually have long tail, which means that there should happen something very bad to have sudden drop of participation in such large systems, like Wikimedia is. So, the strategy proved to be wrong. Except we want to wait the next decade to gather more data
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?
David, I don't know of any specific rules about what's allowed in Phabricator. I *do* know that a number of teams at the WMF use Phabricator for non-coding tasks—for example, see T89355 [1], T97004 [2], T100918 [3], and T101207 [4]. I speak only for myself, but I really like the idea of community members using Phab to track Wikimedia-related projects like surveys and book scanning. I can't see any downsides, other than the frightening possibility of running out of numbers. (I do think category cleanup on a specific wiki would be better tracked on the wiki itself with maintenance templates, but I don't feel very strongly about it.) [1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89355 [2]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97004 [3]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100918 [4]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101207 — Neil P. Quinn https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Neil_P._Quinn-WMF, product analyst Wikimedia Foundation +1 (202) 656 3457 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote: Great question. I'd love a structured task manager for such things, also. On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like: - clean up a wiki category - set up book scanning tasks - track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc) Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding tasks. How is it being done at the WMF? Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
I need a break from thinking about things going wrong. And so per Milos' observation that discussion here is falling off, I thought I'd start an open discussion thread about things going right. What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is happening in the Wikimedia world? My contribution: the SF Wikimedia list just had an announcement about an edit-a-thon (organized by Jake Orlowitz at the wmf office) that is happening during the American Libraries Conference, which is in SF this year. 30,000 librarians attend ALA! I'm super pleased we are infiltrating library conferences :) What's happening over in your part of the project? Phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)
Hi Luis, Aaron and all, Here's a list of possible metrics that we could use for measuring community health. Introductory notes: * I emphasized the number of unique contributors rather than number of contributions. * All of these metrics can be calculated over a variety of time-frames, although I suggest monthly because that is our existing default for many metrics. * Number of contributors == at least 1 contribution during the time-frame * Number of active contributors == at least 5 contributions during the time-frame My suggested list: * Number of new accounts created that are not blocked within 31 days * Number of new accounts that make 1 edit and are not blocked within 31 days * Number of new accounts that make 5 edits and are not blocked within 31 days * Number of active editors * Number of rolling surviving active new editors (see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Rolling_monthly_active_editor) * Percentage of active editors who self-identify as non-male * Number of articles and files on all wikis that have passed quality reviews * Number of volunteer publicly logged non-edit actions * Number of contributors to all public mailing lists * Number of contributors to social media discussions on all platforms * Aggregate sentiment of all discussions relevant to Wikimedia on all platforms * Number of unique senders of OTRS requests * Number of unique responders to OTRS requests * Number of files with OTRS permission tags * Average wait time for resolution of OTRS requests * Maximum wait time for resolution of OTRS requests * Number of contributors to Phabricator * Average Phabricator unbreak now task wait time to closure * Average Phabricator high priority task wait time to closure * Average Phabricator task wait time to closure * Number of contributors to Gerrit * Number of patches created * Number of code reviewers * Average patch code review wait time * Maximum patch code review wait time * Number of wikis with at least 100 unique editors active * Number of wikis with at least 1000 unique editors active * Number of wikis with at least 10,000 unique editors active * Number of active admins on all wikis * Number of files uploaded that are not deleted within 31 days * Number of media files in use on wikis other than Commons * Number of members of affiliates * Number of volunteers of affiliates (this includes online and offline activities) * Number of affiliate organizational partnerships * Number of active affiliate organizations * Percentage of affiliate funding from sources outside WMF * Number of unique donors to affiliates * Number of unique donors to WMF * Number of repeat donors to affiliates * Number of repeat donors to WMF * Number of WMF organizational partnerships * Number of active WMF grants * Number of unique active WMF grantees Additional comments: Note that the Learning and Evaluation team independently seemed to be doing some work about relevant metrics on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Measures_for_evaluation in September 2014. Finally, I would like to suggest that research about community development in general may be relevant to work on Wikimedia community health online. Suggested reading: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_building * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_development * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_indicators * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_practice * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_planning * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_policing * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sense_of_community * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Alone I hope that these suggestions help to move the community health conversation forward. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?
Great question. I'd love a structured task manager for such things, also. On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like: - clean up a wiki category - set up book scanning tasks - track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc) Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding tasks. How is it being done at the WMF? Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
Ps Fabrice sent the blog roundup while I was writing this! Those are all cool things. Would love to learn about more as well. Phoebe On Jun 4, 2015 2:41 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I need a break from thinking about things going wrong. And so per Milos' observation that discussion here is falling off, I thought I'd start an open discussion thread about things going right. What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is happening in the Wikimedia world? My contribution: the SF Wikimedia list just had an announcement about an edit-a-thon (organized by Jake Orlowitz at the wmf office) that is happening during the American Libraries Conference, which is in SF this year. 30,000 librarians attend ALA! I'm super pleased we are infiltrating library conferences :) What's happening over in your part of the project? Phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] This week on the Wikimedia Blog
Hi folks, Here are some of the stories featured this week on the Wikimedia Blog: • How Wikipedia covered Caitlyn Jenner’s transition https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/03/caitlyn-jenner-wikipedia/ • How the Odia Wikimedia community is enriching Wikipedia with character encoding technology https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/03/odia-wikipedia/ • Making Wikipedia’s medical articles accessible in Chinese https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/02/medical-articles-in-chinese/ • Preserving Wikipedia citations for the future: Geoffrey Bilder https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/01/preserving-wikipedia-citations/ • Wikimedia Research Newsletter, May 2015 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/02/research-newsletter-may-2015/ More stories on the Wikimedia Blog: https://blog.wikimedia.org/ https://blog.wikimedia.org/ Survey: Do you follow us on Facebook or Twitter? What do you think of our social media feeds? Please take our short survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/wikimedia-social?c=email-ann2 Enjoy, Fabrice ___ Fabrice Florin Movement Communications Manager Wikimedia Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-06-03 17:42, Raymond Leonard wrote: Folks, At the link, you can find List votes: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections 2015 https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/list/512 Yours, Peaceray -- Thank you. I am indeed listed as voting from Meta, where I barely qualify, and not from for example en.wp or ru.wv where I have tons of edits. Cheers Yaroslav Small point -- because this is the first election we've done using SUL (hooray!!) the wiki listed is whatever someone's home wiki is according to SUL (I think) and not, as in past years, the wiki where you actually clicked the vote link from. The point that many editors are active on many wikis, and thus potentially eligible on many wikis, is certainly true. I would guess that (again because of SUL) each wiki's voter list represents those eligible voters who have that wiki as their home wiki, so there's not duplication. But the election committee can verify that. best, Phoebe p.s. before I forget: a big thank-you to the elections committee for making this election smooth and inclusive, and to everyone who did get-out-the-vote efforts. It's really heartening to see a rise in participation, and like others I was really impressed by the candidate slate, too! -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:27 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Small point -- because this is the first election we've done using SUL (hooray!!) the wiki listed is whatever someone's home wiki is according to SUL (I think) and not, as in past years, the wiki where you actually clicked the vote link from. Aye, this is right, the wiki listed on SecurePoll is what CentralAuth says is your 'home' wiki. Actually, in most cases, this has been the case for a while. If you look at a voter list for the English Wikipedia Arbcom Elections https://vote.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=500title=Special%3ASecurePoll%2Flist%2F392 for example you'll see that there are random examples of people with Domain of another wiki because that's their home wiki even though the only place you could vote from was enWiki. Of course in the past not everyone was global and in those cases it was the Domain the account was coming from. The point that many editors are active on many wikis, and thus potentially eligible on many wikis, is certainly true. I would guess that (again because of SUL) each wiki's voter list represents those eligible voters who have that wiki as their home wiki, so there's not duplication. But the election committee can verify that. best, Phoebe Thanks Phoebe, it's actually important to note that in this election (and likely future global elections, perhaps even most future elections in general, the voter list was actually global (on the centralAuth database rather then local wiki databases). Therefore there was no such thing as being 'eligible on multiple wikis' or duplication (other then someone having multiple accounts) like there has been in the past. In the results we'll have X people eligible on wiki Y is X people who have Y wiki labeled as their home wiki and those X people will not be counted in any other wiki. In the past this was a big problem, trying to find out exactly how many unique users were eligible to vote in the 2013 or 2011 elections for example has been incredibly difficult since some of them (cough stewards /cough ) could be eligible on not only a couple wikis but sometimes 100s of wikis and would be listed independently on each one. James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)
As Richard says, there's no way to get a quick count from the admin interface. It certainly isn't most of the 1510 subscribed addresses, despite all new subscriptions being moderated by default. Looking at my archived messages for this week, it appears that we average 2-3 held messages per day, which normally get passed along within a few hours at most. I try to unmoderate people as I can, but quite a lot of people subscribe, never post, and just stay there. More power to them, of course. Austin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)
A provocative theory. Could a kindly list mod share how many people are on moderation on wm-l? -- Forwarded message -- From: Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com Date: Jun 4, 2015 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread) To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Juergen Fenn, 04/06/2015 16:50: Reduced traffic on Wikimedia-l is mostly due to list moderation. That's plausible. Most people on wikimedia-l are moderated by now; I and others unsubscribed due to tyrannical moderation, too. Nemo ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Letters of Intent due 1 July for 2015-2016 Round 1 (proposals due 1 October)
Dear colleagues: The deadline for the Letter of Intent for the next round of proposals in 2015-2016 Round 1 is 1 July 2015. We have reached out to organizations that have already expressed interest in applying, but we also wanted to share this news more broadly, to make sure that all Wikimedia organizations were aware of the upcoming deadline. (Note that this deadline was previously on 1 June of each year, and we have extended it to 1 July for this round.) The Letter of Intent is the first step required to submit an annual plan grant proposal through the APG process. It is a simple non-binding letter that indicates interest in applying for funds in the upcoming round. All organizations that wish to apply for funding in the upcoming round must submit a letter of intent by the deadline. It is a required step. The letters let us know which Wikimedia organizations we need to evaluate for eligibility. For more about eligibility requirements, see this page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Eligibility. To create your letter, use the button available here on the APG portal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG. Upcoming milestones for 2015-2016 Round 1: *1 July: Letters of Intent Due *15 July: Initial eligibility announced *15 September: Eligibility confirmed *1 October: Proposals due *1 October - 31 October: Community review *8 November: Staff proposal assessments published *Late November: FDC deliberations *1 December: FDC recommendations published *1 January: Board approval and start of new grants Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions about submitting your letter of intent, or about the upcoming round. Best regards, Winifred Katy -- Winifred Olliff Program Officer Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] 10th year founding anniversary of Bengali Wikipedia
Thanks very much for this announcement, Hasive. I'd like to take a moment to refresh our collective memory from June of last year. The Wikimedians who organized the Wikimedia Bangladesh Foundation made extraordinary efforts to found their chapter, and the chapter's approval under the Societies Registration Act of Bangladesh in June 2014 was a remarkable achievement. The *Signpost *discussed this in a special report, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-06-18/Special_report . Congratulations to Wikimedia Bangladesh and Bengali Wikipedia for this anniversary and conference. Pine (former *Signpost* Publication and Newsroom Manager, present Executive Director of Cascadia Wikimedians User Group) On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Hasive Chowdhury nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd wrote: Hi All, We're happy to share another good news from Bengali Wikipedia Community. You already know that Bengali Wikipedia has reached It's 10 year journey. We celebrate a program on last February 10 and Jimmy Wales joined with us as Chief Guest. After that recently (May 30) we again successfully complete 'Bengali Wikipedia 10th year Founding Anniversary Conference' by Wikimedia Bangladesh. We are happy to run this anniversary program around the country. We conduct several series Wikipedia workshop/seminar seven division in our country. After that we arrange day long program in Dhaka. 300+ registered Wikipedian from different part of country attend this conference. Few Wikipedians from Kolkata (India) also join with us to celebrate Bengali Wikipedia 10th year anniversary. In our final event we arrange day long event including Workshop, Seminar, Special workshop for women, discussion about outreach program, coloration discussion with Wikipedian from Kolkata etc. Our conference inaugurated by honorable state minister of ICT Division of Govt. Republic of Bangladesh Mr. Zunaid Ahmed Palak [1]. We give 10 best Wikipedian award and best three photographer who attend our Wikimedia Commons photo contest. All award handover by popular award winner writer and journalist Anisul Hoque [2]. All program photo available this link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:10th_Anniversary_of_Bengali_Wikipedia,_Bangladesh Cheers! [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zunaid_Ahmed_Palak [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisul_Hoque Hasive -- *Hasive **Chowdhury** :: **নুরুন্নবী চৌধুরী **হাছিব* Global User: Hasive http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hasive Administrator | Bengali Wikipedia http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Hasive Member | GAC Committee, Wikimedia Foundation http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Grant_Advisory_Committee Member | IEG Committee, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/People Director | Wikimedia Bangladesh Operations Committee http://www.wikimedia.org.bd fb.com/Hasive http://fb.com/itsNCH | @nhasive http://www.twitter.com/nhasive | Skype: nhasive | www.nhasive.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] 10th year founding anniversary of Bengali Wikipedia
Hi All, We're happy to share another good news from Bengali Wikipedia Community. You already know that Bengali Wikipedia has reached It's 10 year journey. We celebrate a program on last February 10 and Jimmy Wales joined with us as Chief Guest. After that recently (May 30) we again successfully complete 'Bengali Wikipedia 10th year Founding Anniversary Conference' by Wikimedia Bangladesh. We are happy to run this anniversary program around the country. We conduct several series Wikipedia workshop/seminar seven division in our country. After that we arrange day long program in Dhaka. 300+ registered Wikipedian from different part of country attend this conference. Few Wikipedians from Kolkata (India) also join with us to celebrate Bengali Wikipedia 10th year anniversary. In our final event we arrange day long event including Workshop, Seminar, Special workshop for women, discussion about outreach program, coloration discussion with Wikipedian from Kolkata etc. Our conference inaugurated by honorable state minister of ICT Division of Govt. Republic of Bangladesh Mr. Zunaid Ahmed Palak [1]. We give 10 best Wikipedian award and best three photographer who attend our Wikimedia Commons photo contest. All award handover by popular award winner writer and journalist Anisul Hoque [2]. All program photo available this link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:10th_Anniversary_of_Bengali_Wikipedia,_Bangladesh Cheers! [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zunaid_Ahmed_Palak [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisul_Hoque Hasive -- *Hasive **Chowdhury** :: **নুরুন্নবী চৌধুরী **হাছিব* Global User: Hasive http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hasive Administrator | Bengali Wikipedia http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:Hasive Member | GAC Committee, Wikimedia Foundation http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Grant_Advisory_Committee Member | IEG Committee, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/People Director | Wikimedia Bangladesh Operations Committee http://www.wikimedia.org.bd fb.com/Hasive http://fb.com/itsNCH | @nhasive http://www.twitter.com/nhasive | Skype: nhasive | www.nhasive.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] English Wikipedia uses Wikidata for person data
Hoi, Agreement that they may. Thanks, GerardM On 4 June 2015 at 09:36, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a reasonable idea to me. Another open source advocate in Seattle has encouraged cooperation between Wikipedia and DBpedia. What would it take to make Gerard's suggestion come to life? Pine On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, An argument rages about the significance of the English WIkipedia using Wikidata for person data, things like date of death. DBpedia does a better job than Wikidata does and it does it because they not only use dumps to update their information but they also use information from RSS. Therefore they do a better job than volunteers like myself at Wikidata do. In my blogpost [1] I argue for cooperation. My point is very much that increasingly I find I do no longer have the time to maintain the data for people who died in 2014 or 2015. I have done that the last two years.. I desperately want to do other things with Wikidata, things that are more relevant. PLEASE consider cooperating with the DBpedia people. They are part of our ecosystem, they want to share and they want to make their data available with our license. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/english-wikipedia-and-those-who-died-in.html ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] English Wikipedia uses Wikidata for person data
Sounds like a reasonable idea to me. Another open source advocate in Seattle has encouraged cooperation between Wikipedia and DBpedia. What would it take to make Gerard's suggestion come to life? Pine On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 12:26 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, An argument rages about the significance of the English WIkipedia using Wikidata for person data, things like date of death. DBpedia does a better job than Wikidata does and it does it because they not only use dumps to update their information but they also use information from RSS. Therefore they do a better job than volunteers like myself at Wikidata do. In my blogpost [1] I argue for cooperation. My point is very much that increasingly I find I do no longer have the time to maintain the data for people who died in 2014 or 2015. I have done that the last two years.. I desperately want to do other things with Wikidata, things that are more relevant. PLEASE consider cooperating with the DBpedia people. They are part of our ecosystem, they want to share and they want to make their data available with our license. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/english-wikipedia-and-those-who-died-in.html ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] maintaining the dearly departed
Hoi, I am giving notice that I will no longer maintain the people who are known to have died on Wikidata. There are a few reasons: - I do not have the same amount of time I used to have - My time is better spend on other things. Linking people through associations is more relevant - I am sick and tired of the procrastination on bringing in information from DBpedia I have been indicating the need for importing data from DBpedia for a long time and, there are always reasons why people think it is fine to wait even longer until their pet project is ready. It implies that they assume that everything will remain the same in the mean time. I refuse to accept that attitude and that is why I will stop adding more dates of death as a regular practice. This does not mean that the data is not there, it does not mean that Wikidata cannot have it. It means that we import from sources that are known to be as trustworthy as Wikipedia. After all DBpedia data is based on Wikipedia. I will have more fun doing other things. Thanks, GerardM ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...
In the UK lists of voters marked with who did and did not vote are called
marked registers. They are available to political parties and can be used to
check that no-one has voted on behalf of people who don't vote for religious or
other reasons.
In a system where there are no ID checks on voters I don't see how else you can
prevent impersonation of voters - obviously that isn't needed in our elections
because you can only vote when logged in.
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 23:42:16 +0100
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To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the
votes...
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By the way, my understanding is that the practice of generating a public
list of voters who cast ballots, while keeping the nature of their votes
private, is relatively common in election processes in general. In the
United States, political parties use this information for their get out
the vote campaigns so that they know which of their likely supporters have
yet to vote.
In UK political elections I think that would be illegal...{{citation needed}}
Thanks,
Mike
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[Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?
Hi, I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like: - clean up a wiki category - set up book scanning tasks - track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc) Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding tasks. How is it being done at the WMF? Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] English Wikipedia uses Wikidata for person data
Hoi, I am not championing Sparkle and other wonderful tools. I am adding data and i do no longer have the time. While I applaud your work it does not bring new data like the date of death into Wikidata. It works on the back of the work of the drones like me who add data. Your work while important is secondary and therefore your preferences are secondary. The primary need is to bring quality information to Wikidata. Quality is not in sources but it is in knowing that there is agreement on the data and where there is not, only then sources become interesting at this stage or our game. I will blog about the relative worth of sources in the near future. At this time I find it mostly a distraction because we are not working on comparison of data as long as it is not used to bring quality everwhere it does not do what I am looking for. It is concentrating on single facts and not on quality in the first place. Thanks, GerardM On 4 June 2015 at 10:49, Markus Kroetzsch markus.kroetz...@tu-dresden.de wrote: Hi Gerard, On 04.06.2015 09:26, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, An argument rages about the significance of the English WIkipedia using Wikidata for person data, things like date of death. I don't see an argument raging anywhere, though you seem to be raging quite a bit ;-) Maybe you have been discussing elsewhere than on the DBpedia or Wikidata mailing lists? (Are the Dutch Wikipedians discussing this maybe? If it's not in English, could you give us a summary of the issues discussed in this argument?) From my point of view, it would be great if DBpedia could donate some of its data to Wikidata. For example, there could be a bot that imports date of death statements from Wikipedia via DBpedia as you suggested. The Wikidata community has imported many statements from Wikipedia in the past and I don't see a big problem doing this with DBpedia in the middle if people feel that this is easier than extracting stuff from Wikipedia right away. I think the reason why it is not done is that nobody has prepared and proposed such a bot yet. If there is nobody from DBpedia who can help with this, maybe the best people to approach would be the bot authors who have helped to import all the existing personal data into Wikidata. As I wrote in my previous email to the Wikidata list, I would prefer if Wikipedia-scraped data (whether from DBpedia or not) would go through the primary sources tool, to help Wikidata to get rid of all the imported from Wikipedia references. But this does not apply to DBpedia specifically in any way. Anyway, let's not over-dramatise this discussion. If you want to champion this work, you could start by doing a simple query against the DBpedia and Wikidata SPARQL endpoints to count how many dates of death each of these datasets contains right now. The next step would be to use another simple query to display the most recent dates of death so as to compare them. This could give the community a sense of whether a large-scale bot action, a Wikidata game, primary sources, or a simple list of editing suggestions could be the right tool of getting the missing data into Wikidata. Regards, Markus DBpedia does a better job than Wikidata does and it does it because they not only use dumps to update their information but they also use information from RSS. Therefore they do a better job than volunteers like myself at Wikidata do. In my blogpost [1] I argue for cooperation. My point is very much that increasingly I find I do no longer have the time to maintain the data for people who died in 2014 or 2015. I have done that the last two years.. I desperately want to do other things with Wikidata, things that are more relevant. PLEASE consider cooperating with the DBpedia people. They are part of our ecosystem, they want to share and they want to make their data available with our license. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/english-wikipedia-and-those-who-died-in.html ___ Wikidata mailing list wikid...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata -- Markus Kroetzsch Faculty of Computer Science Technische Universität Dresden +49 351 463 38486 http://korrekt.org/ ___ Wikidata mailing list wikid...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] English Wikipedia uses Wikidata for person data
Hello all, Could we keep this discussion on one mailing list (or at least on all of them consistently if possible please? I'm missing out on parts of the conversation :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 4 June 2015 at 10:20, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I am not championing Sparkle and other wonderful tools. I am adding data and i do no longer have the time. While I applaud your work it does not bring new data like the date of death into Wikidata. It works on the back of the work of the drones like me who add data. Your work while important is secondary and therefore your preferences are secondary. The primary need is to bring quality information to Wikidata. Quality is not in sources but it is in knowing that there is agreement on the data and where there is not, only then sources become interesting at this stage or our game. I will blog about the relative worth of sources in the near future. At this time I find it mostly a distraction because we are not working on comparison of data as long as it is not used to bring quality everwhere it does not do what I am looking for. It is concentrating on single facts and not on quality in the first place. Thanks, GerardM On 4 June 2015 at 10:49, Markus Kroetzsch markus.kroetz...@tu-dresden.de wrote: Hi Gerard, On 04.06.2015 09:26, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, An argument rages about the significance of the English WIkipedia using Wikidata for person data, things like date of death. I don't see an argument raging anywhere, though you seem to be raging quite a bit ;-) Maybe you have been discussing elsewhere than on the DBpedia or Wikidata mailing lists? (Are the Dutch Wikipedians discussing this maybe? If it's not in English, could you give us a summary of the issues discussed in this argument?) From my point of view, it would be great if DBpedia could donate some of its data to Wikidata. For example, there could be a bot that imports date of death statements from Wikipedia via DBpedia as you suggested. The Wikidata community has imported many statements from Wikipedia in the past and I don't see a big problem doing this with DBpedia in the middle if people feel that this is easier than extracting stuff from Wikipedia right away. I think the reason why it is not done is that nobody has prepared and proposed such a bot yet. If there is nobody from DBpedia who can help with this, maybe the best people to approach would be the bot authors who have helped to import all the existing personal data into Wikidata. As I wrote in my previous email to the Wikidata list, I would prefer if Wikipedia-scraped data (whether from DBpedia or not) would go through the primary sources tool, to help Wikidata to get rid of all the imported from Wikipedia references. But this does not apply to DBpedia specifically in any way. Anyway, let's not over-dramatise this discussion. If you want to champion this work, you could start by doing a simple query against the DBpedia and Wikidata SPARQL endpoints to count how many dates of death each of these datasets contains right now. The next step would be to use another simple query to display the most recent dates of death so as to compare them. This could give the community a sense of whether a large-scale bot action, a Wikidata game, primary sources, or a simple list of editing suggestions could be the right tool of getting the missing data into Wikidata. Regards, Markus DBpedia does a better job than Wikidata does and it does it because they not only use dumps to update their information but they also use information from RSS. Therefore they do a better job than volunteers like myself at Wikidata do. In my blogpost [1] I argue for cooperation. My point is very much that increasingly I find I do no longer have the time to maintain the data for people who died in 2014 or 2015. I have done that the last two years.. I desperately want to do other things with Wikidata, things that are more relevant. PLEASE consider cooperating with the DBpedia people. They are part of our ecosystem, they want to share and they want to make their data available with our license. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2015/06/english-wikipedia-and-those-who-died-in.html
Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...
On 2015-06-04 20:48, James Alexander wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 11:27 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Small point -- because this is the first election we've done using SUL (hooray!!) the wiki listed is whatever someone's home wiki is according to SUL (I think) and not, as in past years, the wiki where you actually clicked the vote link from. Aye, this is right, the wiki listed on SecurePoll is what CentralAuth says is your 'home' wiki. Actually, in most cases, this has been the case for a while. If you look at a voter list for the English Wikipedia Arbcom Elections https://vote.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=500title=Special%3ASecurePoll%2Flist%2F392 for example you'll see that there are random examples of people with Domain of another wiki because that's their home wiki even though the only place you could vote from was enWiki. Of course in the past not everyone was global and in those cases it was the Domain the account was coming from. The point that many editors are active on many wikis, and thus potentially eligible on many wikis, is certainly true. I would guess that (again because of SUL) each wiki's voter list represents those eligible voters who have that wiki as their home wiki, so there's not duplication. But the election committee can verify that. best, Phoebe Thanks, now I got it. My current account was indeed registered on Meta, though currently I am barely active there. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] While Election committee counts the votes...
Actully is probably much higher in terms of currently acrive editors. For example - in Polish WIkipedia there are currently around 250 - 100+ editors - and there was 171 votes (if I calculated it properly) - and in Ukrainian Wikipedia - if you calculate it in similar way the effective tournover is close to 90% !!! (170 100+ editors and 163 votes). 2015-06-01 4:02 GMT+02:00 Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com: 25% turnout is amazing!! Thank you, and congratulations to WM UA, particularly given the political situation at home. I also collected a few thoughts about the elections here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny/Thoughts_Board_Election_2015 Thanks to the Election Committee and everyone else out there getting the word out, fellow voters, and fellow candidates! On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:34 PM James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 3:20 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Ukraine has done great this year! Your work clearly paid off, currently 11.74% of the eligible users on ukWiki have voted (making it one of the highest % wikis, and the highest if you only count medium/large wikis some of the smaller ones get an advantage when % is factored in). It also accounts for 2.58% of the total votes compared to less then 1% (.99%) of the whole electorate. Mea Culpa: For the record I was double counting many of the eligible voters here (we had an old voter list that was also being counted). The correct numbers for ukWiki would be just over 25% of eligible voters voting and 2.61% of the total votes (still .99% of the electorate). We will certainly be releasing more detailed results for projects with results and in the post mortem. James Alexander Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Tomek Polimerek Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29title=tomasz-ganicz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
