Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
Hi Michael, Thanks for this report. I was hoping to see information in the report about the financial costs of applying for and reporting about WMF grants; even better would be an estimate of time spent including volunteer hours, including FDC and GAC volunteer and staff hours. These costs are among my biggest pain points at the moment in Cascadia Wikimedians and I have heard similar comments from much larger affiliates and FDC volunteers as well. Is this information available anywhere in the report, and if not, is there a place where we might be able to get it? Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
On Jun 8, 2015 8:53 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, Thanks for this report. I was hoping to see information in the report about the financial costs of applying for and reporting about WMF grants; even better would be an estimate of time spent including volunteer hours, including FDC and GAC volunteer and staff hours. These costs are among my biggest pain points at the moment in Cascadia Wikimedians and I have heard similar comments from much larger affiliates and FDC volunteers as well. Is this information available anywhere in the report, and if not, is there a place where we might be able to get it? _that_ would be something to achieve... Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of 2015 WMF Board elections
Congratulations to the winners! David Parreño Mont El ds., 6 juny 2015 a les 1:14, Gregory Varnum (gregory.var...@gmail.com) va escriure: Greetings, The certified results of the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election are now available on Meta-Wiki: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Results Congratulations to Dariusz Jemielniak (User:pundit), James Heilman (User:Doc James), and Denny Vrandečić (User:Denny), for receiving the most community support. They will join the Wikimedia Foundation as Trustees, after they are appointed by the Board at their July meeting at Wikimania. These results have been certified by the committee, the Wikimedia Foundation's legal department, and the Board of Trustees. There were 5512 votes cast, with 5167 of those being valid. The 345-vote difference comes from recast ballots, where eligible voters recast ballots to change their votes, and struck votes, of which there were 4. Additional information is available on the Wikimedia Blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/05/board-election-results More statistics on the elections, a post mortem from the committee, and a blog post on the process behind the elections will be published in the coming days. In the meantime, we would appreciate your input—what went well for you in this election? What could we do better next time? These reports are crucial to helping future elections be even more successful, and we hope that you will offer your feedback and ideas: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Post_mortem The committee thanks everyone that participated in this year’s election for helping make it one of the most diverse and representative in the movement’s history. Sincerely, – 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee Adrian, Anders Wennersten, Daniel, Gregory Varnum, Katie Chan, Mardetanha, Ruslan, Savh, and Trijnstel ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
I agree. I don't think WMF has an appreciation of the scope of this problem and how it detracts from the prigrammatic activities that they aim to support in addition to its effects on volunteer morale and motivation (which is a WMF global metric). I am hoping that some hard numbers might get them to think about the status quo and how to improve it by a significant, measurable percentage. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
After each FDC round the WMF conducted a survey among the participating organizations in which we were asked to give estimates on these questions (as far as I can recall). I'm not sure whether and where the results have been published but there might be some (rough) data available on this. Claudia Am 08.06.2015 um 21:26 schrieb Pine W: I agree. I don't think WMF has an appreciation of the scope of this problem and how it detracts from the prigrammatic activities that they aim to support in addition to its effects on volunteer morale and motivation (which is a WMF global metric). I am hoping that some hard numbers might get them to think about the status quo and how to improve it by a significant, measurable percentage. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] GLAM Mailing lists
Hi guys. Just how many GLAM lists do we have? Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the paris group (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others. Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them? Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more. I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians. Yours sincerely, Base ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics
Hello folks, After 8 months, over 400 line items and an infinite amount of emails, I am very pleased to let everyone know that we the finance fellows have completed our movement-wide financial report. It is now available for everyone to read on meta and download. Here is the link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Movement-wide_Financial_Report I have to offer my sincerest gratitude to everyone involved with the release of this report. Thank you to all the participating chapters who helped make this report possible. We cannot express our appreciation enough for your helpful responses and guidance to develop this final product. Hopefully, this report proves insightful for you and help us begin to think about more consistent financial reporting. Thank you Community Engagement, especially Jaime Anstee, Edward Galvez, Winifred Olliff and Katy Love for your guidance throughout this process. But last and not least, thank you to all volunteers who participate in the Wikimedia projects. Despite the fiscal emphasis of this report, it is your work that is most important and completely invaluable to the movement. Hopefully, you too will find this report useful. Best, On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Walter Alejandro Gomez Segura wagseg...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Pine, Yes, we would like to discuss it. The main goal of this project is to prompt questions, so further along we will carry out a discussion about this report and try to get as much feedback as we can from the community. Best, Walter Gomez Segura *Finance Fellow* *149 New Montgomery St., San Francisco, CA., 94105* www.wikimediafoundation.org wagseg...@wikimedia.org On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:54 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lene, OK, thanks for the update. As you can tell, I am very interested in your work. I am sensitized to anything having to do with Meta-type documentation and deadlines at the moment, seeing as I am juggling so many of them with intricate dependencies (including weekend projects), but I suppose that I will just need to wait until April for this particular report. I am very glad that this report is being done. Perhaps we will have a chance to discuss it during an office hour in April? Thanks, Pine *This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/ *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not know.* *—Catherine Munro* On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Lene Gillis lgil...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Pine, Thank you for your inquiry and for following up the status of this project. We’ve updated the information on our meta page[1], so that it is more clear to everyone. We would like to clarify that the Draft Report is a finalization of the raw dataset and is not intended to be published. We are currently focusing on representing the data, so that everyone can easily understand the outcomes of our project. This will be revised internally and the outcome of that will be the Final Report, which will be published in April. All the best, Lene [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement-wide_Financial_Report ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org mg...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman wrote: [re: experiments using video.js to improve UI of TimedMediaHandler] And we will need brion’s ogv.js https://brionv.com/misc/ogv.js/demo/ work to support browsers without OGV/WebM support. A couple updates on that front: 1) It looks like it should be easy to integrate ogv.js into video.js as a player tech. 2) I have an early version of WebM decoding in JavaScript https://brionv.com/log/2015/06/07/im-in-ur-javascript-decoding-ur-webm/ working! It's much slower than Ogg but has higher video quality when there's CPU available for it, as on a fast desktop/laptop that's running Safari or IE without WebM drivers natively installed. 3) I've also found a combination of free-but-crappy codec options that works in iOS natively: AVI with Motion-JPEG video and uncompressed audio https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101716! To keep the bitrate sane we'll have to turn quality down, but 5fps and scratchy audio is often better than nothing. This will work at times when ogv.js can't be used, such as the embedded web browsers in iPhone apps that haven't updated to Apple's latest embedding APIs. -- brion ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] GLAM Mailing lists
The canonical home for the list of lists is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is possible to have a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I think. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru wrote: Hi guys. Just how many GLAM lists do we have? Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the paris group (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others. Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them? Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more. I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians. Yours sincerely, Base ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] GLAM Mailing lists
Your comment does not cover the fact that not all lists are hosted by lists.wikimedia.org. E.g. cultural partnership is here: https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners Some other chapters also host lists and there're googlegroups to consider. That's a one thing why a mere server listing of lists does not suffice. Another is that an automatical list listing isn't where you can write rules, membership procedure/criteria and other stuff needed for transparency. Well not just transparency issue but also of need to concentrate data in one place is to be considered. --Base On 09.06.2015 3:40, Philippe Beaudette wrote: The canonical home for the list of lists is https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo. While it is possible to have a list hidden from there, it would be pretty unusual for a GLAM list, I think. pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewiki https://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Bohdan Melnychuk bas...@yandex.ru wrote: Hi guys. Just how many GLAM lists do we have? Not counting regional ones, I know of GLAM, Cultural-Partners, Libraries, got to know about existence of some the paris group (not sure if it's even a mailing list technically, but in case it's not then it's weird even more). Perhaps there are some (or is it many?) others. Should they not be all listed in one place, e.g. on https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Mailing_lists with clear data about who manages them, what are their scope, rules and how you might joint them? Just having many is already confusing but when you can't even get a list of all of them it's confusing even more. I'm sorry if some of the lists I listed were intended as cabalish and not to be disclosed to others. I don't think cabalish lists are a good way to collaborate for wikimedians. Yours sincerely, Base ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Of Education-coop cabal: what's it, who's it, how one joins it, why is it like that?
While writing my letter of GLAM lists I recalled that I was once rejected membership in Education-coop mailing list. The reason was Closed List. As far as I know it's a list for a cabal of people who are working on Education (an[1] Education Collaborative). I know of them since their meeting in Prague[2] as a friend-wikimedian of mine attended it. The process of selecting people to that meeting was quite cabalish (with absolutely no public announcement) as well, iirc. During the meeting it was completely ungooglable, iirc. IIRC, the only mention I found back then was in some affiliate's google calendar. But I'm not about a meeting ages ago. I'm about the collaborative itself. I'm not actually a person of WEP[3] but still I'm a person who don't likes when things are hidden but there's no real reason to do it. It looks like the case for me. I don't see why should it all be that much cabalish. Doesn't collaborative a derivative from collaboration? My views on word are often somewhat perfectionist but anyway I just can't see how collaboration and making things that closed can co-exist. I'm fine with closed lists, teams and stuff in general as there are things which should not be discussed in public or it could because it's easier to make a tiny group of people do something instead of crying out to a lazy unorganised crowd. But just make it clear how can one (apply to) join or e.g. just join as a observer/non-voting commentator/whatever. Footnotes: [1] afair the page on outreachwiki was about some older formation under the name. it's probably fixed since that time) Education Collaborative [2] was it already 2 years ago? time sure runs fast [3] which means that it's not like I can e.g. go organise a WEP thing offline — the most I can do in real actions is helping a WEP person. That's if actions are about WEP and not about something general which any wikimedian can do. Yours sincerely, Base ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia article per speaker
Interesting, but you miss Latin language which is official language of a country (even if English Wikipedia says differently). regards On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: When you get data, at some point of time you start thinking about quite fringe comparisons. But that could actually give some useful conclusions, like this time it did [1]. We did the next: * Used the number of primary speakers from Ethnologue. (Erik Zachte is using approximate number of primary + secondary speakers; that could be good for correction of this data.) * Categorized languages according to the logarithmic number of speakers: =10k, =100k, =1M, =10M, =100M. * Took the number of articles of Wikipedia in particular language and created ration (number of articles / number of speakers). * This list is consisted just of languages with Ethnologue status 1 (national), 2 (provincial) or 3 (wider communication). In fact, we have a lot of projects (more than 100) with worse language status; a number of them are actually threatened or even on the edge of extinction. Those are the preliminary results and I will definitely have to pass through all the numbers. I fixed manually some serious errors, like not having English Wikipedia itself inside of data :D Putting the languages into the logarithmic categories proved to be useful, as we are now able to compare the Wikipedias according to their gross capacity (numbers of speakers). I suppose somebody well introduced into statistics could even create the function which could be used to check how good one project stays, no matter of those strict categories. It's obvious that as more speakers one language has, it's harder to the community to follow the ratio. So, the winners per category are: 1) = 1k: Hawaiian, ratio 0.96900 2) = 10k: Mirandese, ratio 0.18073 3) = 100k: Basque, ratio 0.38061 4) = 1M: Swedish, ratio 0.21381 5) = 10M: Dutch, ratio 0.08305 6) = 100M: English, ratio 0.01447 However, keep in mind that we removed languages not inside categories 1, 2 or 3. That affected =10k languages, as, for example, Upper Sorbian stays much better than Mirandese (0.67). (Will fix it while creating the full report. Obviously, in this case logarithmic categories of numbers of speakers are much more important than what's the state of the language.) It's obvious that we could draw the line between 1:1 for 1-10k speakers to 10:1 for =100M speakers. But, again, I would like to get input of somebody more competent. One very important category is missing here and it's about the level of development of the speakers. That could be added: GDP/PPP per capita for spoken country or countries would be useful as measurement. And I suppose somebody with statistical knowledge would be able to give us the number which would have meaning ability to create Wikipedia article. Completed in such way, we'd be able to measure the success of particular Wikimedia groups and organizations. OK. Articles per speaker are not the only way to do so, but we could use other parameters, as well: number of new/active/very active editors etc. And we could put it into time scale. I'll make some other results. And to remind: I'd like to have the formula to count ability to create Wikipedia article and then to produce level of particular community success in creating Wikipedia articles. And, of course, to implement it for editors. [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TYyhETevEJ5MhfRheRn-aGc4cs_6k45Gwk_ic14TXY4/edit?usp=sharing ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Ilario Valdelli Wikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich Wikipedia: Ilario https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario Skype: valdelli Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 Tel: +41764821371 http://www.wikimedia.ch ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?
Hoi, Ori I am seriously impressed !! WOW Thanks, GerardM On 8 June 2015 at 07:55, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I need a break from thinking about things going wrong. And so per Milos' observation that discussion here is falling off, I thought I'd start an open discussion thread about things going right. What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is happening in the Wikimedia world? Six months ago, the average time it took to save a page was 6.1 seconds. It's now 1.4 seconds. The performance team is in the process figuring out our goals for the next quarter and we think we can get to sub-second page saves by September. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
