[Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
[I'm posting this here because although the experiences described
relate to en.WP, I'm sure it applies to other projects as well]


I have trained over 100 people to edit Wikipedia this year; in around
a dozen different sessions.

Not a single session has occurred, when someone has not had a problem
with our CAPTCHA interface. Often, several editors in a single sesison
are confused.

A user saves an edit, and the system responds with the requirement for
them to complete a CAPTCHA .

Sometimes, they do not realise what has happened (the paragraphs
beginning with the words Your edit includes new external links...
seem insufficiently prominent), or they do not understand what is
being asked of them (what words are they being asked to retype?), or
they do not see the very small box where they are supposed to enter
the CAPTCHA (on my screen, in Firefox and signed out, it is
pre-populated with Enter the words yc, where the c is half of a
letter o).

Naturally I am then able to assist them, but a user editing alone may
simply abandon the task in frustration.

I urge each of you to try this, by editing while logged out

I suggest the WMF conduct some urgent usability tests around this
feature, and either redesign or remove it.

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Lane Rasberry
Hello,

I confirm that the CAPTCHA has problems.

When someone is asked to do one, it is not clear why, and there is a
strange and non-intuitive disconnect between saving the article initially,
entering the CAPTCHA, and saving again. It is hard to explain but something
odd happens in Wikipedia that does not happen in other websites with other
CAPTCHAs- text is not clear and there is an extra step which seems
extraneous.

I also consistently encounter this problem in outreach to new users. The
problem is related to new users submitting external links.

yours,



On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
wrote:

 [I'm posting this here because although the experiences described
 relate to en.WP, I'm sure it applies to other projects as well]


 I have trained over 100 people to edit Wikipedia this year; in around
 a dozen different sessions.

 Not a single session has occurred, when someone has not had a problem
 with our CAPTCHA interface. Often, several editors in a single sesison
 are confused.

 A user saves an edit, and the system responds with the requirement for
 them to complete a CAPTCHA .

 Sometimes, they do not realise what has happened (the paragraphs
 beginning with the words Your edit includes new external links...
 seem insufficiently prominent), or they do not understand what is
 being asked of them (what words are they being asked to retype?), or
 they do not see the very small box where they are supposed to enter
 the CAPTCHA (on my screen, in Firefox and signed out, it is
 pre-populated with Enter the words yc, where the c is half of a
 letter o).

 Naturally I am then able to assist them, but a user editing alone may
 simply abandon the task in frustration.

 I urge each of you to try this, by editing while logged out

 I suggest the WMF conduct some urgent usability tests around this
 feature, and either redesign or remove it.

 --
 Andy Mabbett
 @pigsonthewing
 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Pine W
You might want check if there is already a bug listed for this under
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mediawiki-extensions-confirmedit-(captcha-extension)/,
and if not then create a new one. (:

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 June 2015 at 16:57, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Previous discussions on this topic:
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-November/079318.html

That appears to be a disusison of teh CAPTCHA encountered during
account registration, which has a very different user-interface

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I'm here to confirm that I've seen the same issue in over almost every
 wiki-workshop.


Seconded.  I can't remember one that didn't run into this.
Especially for editors thoughtful enough to try to link their sources.

Part of the problem is the lack of prominence of the notice, and also the
 CAPTCHA often being hidden below the fold.

 I would not be averse to experiment in just turning it off for a bit.


+100.  Seems like an easy thing to spot-test.
Both turning it off and varying interfaces elements.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Gregory Varnum
Thank you Fabrice for all of your work over the years! We will miss you -
but hopefully will still see you around the project wikis.  :)

-greg (User:Varnent)

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come to
 say goodbye.

 I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my
 family, focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy
 causes.

 I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had the
 pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve our
 movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge with
 each other and the world.

 I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF communications
 team for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working with
 them to manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and publish
 some great stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement.

 Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog, in
 close collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the former
 editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team for
 the summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him
 uniquely qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact them
 directly with any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this message).

 After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com — or follow
 me on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog ( http://fabriceflorin.com
 ).

 The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I am
 grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been an
 inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time together. I
 wish you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement and
 can’t wait to see what you’ll come up with next.

 Best regards,


 Fabrice

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Cristian Consonni
2015-06-18 18:25 GMT+02:00 Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org:
 After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come to say 
 goodbye.

 I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my family, 
 focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy causes.

 I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had the 
 pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve our 
 movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge with 
 each other and the world.

 I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF communications team 
 for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working with them to 
 manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and publish some great 
 stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement.

 Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog, in close 
 collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the former 
 editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team for the 
 summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him uniquely 
 qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact them directly with 
 any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this message).

 After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com — or follow me 
 on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog ( http://fabriceflorin.com ).

 The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I am 
 grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been an 
 inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time together. I wish 
 you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement and can’t 
 wait to see what you’ll come up with next.

Goodbye Fabrice, thanks for your work at WMF and best of luck with
your future endeavours.

Cristian

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Legoktm
On 06/18/2015 09:03 AM, David Gerard wrote:
 That is, we already know for a fact that it's literally worse than useless.
 
 Switching it off would thus be an immediate improvement.

It's actually not useless:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079762.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Dan Garry
Previous discussions on this topic:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-November/079318.html

Dan

On 18 June 2015 at 07:22, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 [I'm posting this here because although the experiences described
 relate to en.WP, I'm sure it applies to other projects as well]


 I have trained over 100 people to edit Wikipedia this year; in around
 a dozen different sessions.

 Not a single session has occurred, when someone has not had a problem
 with our CAPTCHA interface. Often, several editors in a single sesison
 are confused.

 A user saves an edit, and the system responds with the requirement for
 them to complete a CAPTCHA .

 Sometimes, they do not realise what has happened (the paragraphs
 beginning with the words Your edit includes new external links...
 seem insufficiently prominent), or they do not understand what is
 being asked of them (what words are they being asked to retype?), or
 they do not see the very small box where they are supposed to enter
 the CAPTCHA (on my screen, in Firefox and signed out, it is
 pre-populated with Enter the words yc, where the c is half of a
 letter o).

 Naturally I am then able to assist them, but a user editing alone may
 simply abandon the task in frustration.

 I urge each of you to try this, by editing while logged out

 I suggest the WMF conduct some urgent usability tests around this
 feature, and either redesign or remove it.

 --
 Andy Mabbett
 @pigsonthewing
 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 June 2015 at 15:22, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Not a single session has occurred, when someone has not had a problem
 with our CAPTCHA interface. Often, several editors in a single sesison
 are confused.



I recall from November's discussion that not only does the captcha
keep humans out, it's trivially solvable by spambots using OCR.

That is, we already know for a fact that it's literally worse than useless.

Switching it off would thus be an immediate improvement.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Fabrice,

On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:25:21 -0700
Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come to say
 goodbye.
 
 I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my family,
 focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy causes. 
 

I'm glad you had a good time working for the WMF. Thanks for everything. Good
luck on your future endeavours, and good luck to those who will replace you.

Regards,

-- Shlomi Fish

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Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Tito Dutta
Fabrice Florin,
Best of luck. Thanks for your service. Stay well. :)
User:Titodutta, En WP admin

On 18 June 2015 at 21:55, Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come to
 say goodbye.

 I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my
 family, focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy
 causes.

 I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had the
 pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve our
 movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge with
 each other and the world.

 I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF communications
 team for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working with
 them to manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and publish
 some great stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement.

 Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog, in
 close collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the former
 editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team for
 the summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him
 uniquely qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact them
 directly with any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this message).

 After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com — or follow
 me on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog ( http://fabriceflorin.com
 ).

 The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I am
 grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been an
 inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time together. I
 wish you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement and
 can’t wait to see what you’ll come up with next.

 Best regards,


 Fabrice

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Pharos
I'm here to confirm that I've seen the same issue in over almost every
wiki-workshop.

Part of the problem is the lack of prominence of the notice, and also the
CAPTCHA often being hidden below the fold.

I would not be averse to experiment in just turning it off for a bit.

Thanks,
Pharos

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 You might want check if there is already a bug listed for this under

 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mediawiki-extensions-confirmedit-(captcha-extension)/
 ,
 and if not then create a new one. (:

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[Wikimedia-l] Announcing staff changes at the WMF

2015-06-18 Thread Tomasz W . Kozłowski
I have just noticed that Damon Sicore's account has been removed from
the Foundation wiki[1] and that his global account has just been
locked on Meta[2].

However, Damon is still marked as the Vice-President of Engineering at
the Foundation's staff page at the time of this writing[3], which
makes the situation a little bit confusing.

I am not aware if the Foundation has any severance policy in place,
but it appears quite concerning that an employee's accounts are being
removed and blocked before any formal announcement are made, which can
only result in needless speculation.

Could someone at the Foundation please clarify Damon's position at the
Foundation at this time?

Thanks!

== References ==
* [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:Log/block
* [2] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Damon_Sicore_%28WMF%29
* [3] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors

-- 
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[Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Fabrice Florin
Hello everyone,

After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come to say 
goodbye.

I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my family, 
focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy causes. 

I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had the 
pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve our 
movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge with each 
other and the world. 

I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF communications team 
for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working with them to 
manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and publish some great 
stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement. 

Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog, in close 
collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the former 
editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team for the 
summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him uniquely 
qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact them directly with 
any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this message). 

After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com — or follow me on 
Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog ( http://fabriceflorin.com ).

The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I am 
grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been an 
inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time together. I wish 
you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement and can’t wait 
to see what you’ll come up with next. 

Best regards,


Fabrice

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Subhashish Panigrahi
Sorry, misspelt your name in the previous mail.

Subha

 On 19-Jun-2015, at 5:30 am, Subhashish Panigrahi subhash...@cis-india.org 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Fabtice,
 
 It feels terribly bad to learn that you're leaving the foundation. But I'm 
 sure we would not miss you in all your community activities in a personal 
 capacity. Wish you all the best for the future projects.
 
 Best!
 Subha
 
 On 19-Jun-2015, at 1:36 am, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Fabrice, you may not recall my name or know me well, but your thoughtful
 contributions to Wikimedia comms over the past years have been greatly
 appreciated. Seeing your name appear in my inbox has always been an
 indication of something worth reading and giving attention to.
 
 I wish you the best for the future, and hope you appreciate that you will
 be missed.
 
 Very best wishes,
 
 Stevie
 
 On 18 June 2015 at 18:18, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Fabrice for all of your work over the years! We will miss you -
 but hopefully will still see you around the project wikis.  :)
 
 -greg (User:Varnent)
 
 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come to
 say goodbye.
 
 I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my
 family, focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy
 causes.
 
 I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had the
 pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve our
 movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge
 with
 each other and the world.
 
 I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF communications
 team for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working
 with
 them to manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and
 publish
 some great stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement.
 
 Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog, in
 close collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the former
 editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team for
 the summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him
 uniquely qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact them
 directly with any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this
 message).
 
 After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com — or follow
 me on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog (
 http://fabriceflorin.com
 ).
 
 The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I am
 grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been an
 inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time together. I
 wish you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement and
 can’t wait to see what you’ll come up with next.
 
 Best regards,
 
 
 Fabrice
 
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 Movement Communications Manager
 Wikimedia Foundation
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Ivan Martínez
Thanks for all your kindly support this last years, Fabrice! Good luck in
the next challenges.

El jueves, 18 de junio de 2015, Subhashish Panigrahi 
subhash...@cis-india.org escribió:

 Sorry, misspelt your name in the previous mail.

 Subha

  On 19-Jun-2015, at 5:30 am, Subhashish Panigrahi 
 subhash...@cis-india.org javascript:; wrote:
 
  Hi Fabtice,
 
  It feels terribly bad to learn that you're leaving the foundation. But
 I'm sure we would not miss you in all your community activities in a
 personal capacity. Wish you all the best for the future projects.
 
  Best!
  Subha
 
  On 19-Jun-2015, at 1:36 am, Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk javascript:; wrote:
 
  Fabrice, you may not recall my name or know me well, but your thoughtful
  contributions to Wikimedia comms over the past years have been greatly
  appreciated. Seeing your name appear in my inbox has always been an
  indication of something worth reading and giving attention to.
 
  I wish you the best for the future, and hope you appreciate that you
 will
  be missed.
 
  Very best wishes,
 
  Stevie
 
  On 18 June 2015 at 18:18, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com
 javascript:; wrote:
 
  Thank you Fabrice for all of your work over the years! We will miss
 you -
  but hopefully will still see you around the project wikis.  :)
 
  -greg (User:Varnent)
 
  On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Fabrice Florin 
 fflo...@wikimedia.org javascript:;
  wrote:
 
  Hello everyone,
 
  After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come
 to
  say goodbye.
 
  I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my
  family, focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy
  causes.
 
  I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had
 the
  pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve
 our
  movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge
  with
  each other and the world.
 
  I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF
 communications
  team for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working
  with
  them to manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and
  publish
  some great stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement.
 
  Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog, in
  close collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the
 former
  editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team
 for
  the summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him
  uniquely qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact
 them
  directly with any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this
  message).
 
  After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com
 javascript:; — or follow
  me on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog (
  http://fabriceflorin.com
  ).
 
  The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I
 am
  grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been
 an
  inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time together.
 I
  wish you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement
 and
  can’t wait to see what you’ll come up with next.
 
  Best regards,
 
 
  Fabrice
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread NC Hasive
Hi Fabrice,

​Thanks for all your all type of support at WMF! Best of luck..


-Hasive
@nhasive
WM Bangladesh

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for all your kindly support this last years, Fabrice! Good luck in
 the next challenges.

 El jueves, 18 de junio de 2015, Subhashish Panigrahi 
 subhash...@cis-india.org escribió:

  Sorry, misspelt your name in the previous mail.
 
  Subha
 
   On 19-Jun-2015, at 5:30 am, Subhashish Panigrahi 
  subhash...@cis-india.org javascript:; wrote:
  
   Hi Fabtice,
  
   It feels terribly bad to learn that you're leaving the foundation. But
  I'm sure we would not miss you in all your community activities in a
  personal capacity. Wish you all the best for the future projects.
  
   Best!
   Subha
  
   On 19-Jun-2015, at 1:36 am, Stevie Benton 
  stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk javascript:; wrote:
  
   Fabrice, you may not recall my name or know me well, but your
 thoughtful
   contributions to Wikimedia comms over the past years have been greatly
   appreciated. Seeing your name appear in my inbox has always been an
   indication of something worth reading and giving attention to.
  
   I wish you the best for the future, and hope you appreciate that you
  will
   be missed.
  
   Very best wishes,
  
   Stevie
  
   On 18 June 2015 at 18:18, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com
  javascript:; wrote:
  
   Thank you Fabrice for all of your work over the years! We will miss
  you -
   but hopefully will still see you around the project wikis.  :)
  
   -greg (User:Varnent)
  
   On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Fabrice Florin 
  fflo...@wikimedia.org javascript:;
   wrote:
  
   Hello everyone,
  
   After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come
  to
   say goodbye.
  
   I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my
   family, focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on
 worthy
   causes.
  
   I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had
  the
   pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve
  our
   movement together — and to help our contributors share free
 knowledge
   with
   each other and the world.
  
   I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF
  communications
   team for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed
 working
   with
   them to manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and
   publish
   some great stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our
 movement.
  
   Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog,
 in
   close collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the
  former
   editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our
 team
  for
   the summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him
   uniquely qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact
  them
   directly with any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this
   message).
  
   After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com
  javascript:; — or follow
   me on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog (
   http://fabriceflorin.com
   ).
  
   The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and
 I
  am
   grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve
 been
  an
   inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time
 together.
  I
   wish you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia
 movement
  and
   can’t wait to see what you’ll come up with next.
  
   Best regards,
  
  
   Fabrice
  
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikipedia Library NEW Free Research Accounts

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 June 2015 at 18:20, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Switching it off would thus be an immediate improvement.

 It's actually not useless:
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079762.html

And again, that refers to CAPTCHA used for creating new accounts, not
the one under discussion.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing staff changes at the WMF

2015-06-18 Thread James Alexander
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Tomasz W. Kozłowski twkozlow...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I have just noticed that Damon Sicore's account has been removed from
 the Foundation wiki[1] and that his global account has just been
 locked on Meta[2].



Hi Tomasz,

We adjust the rights of, or access to, staff accounts for many different
reasons. For example, last weekend, we temporarily removed the rights from
another staff member because they were in a country where having those
permissions could have been sensitive. Sometimes we can’t disclose reasons
prior to taking an action, or discuss them immediately. Although we aim for
full transparency, occasionally there are factors in place that mean we
can’t be as transparent as we'd like in the moment. Thanks for
understanding.

James



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing staff changes at the WMF

2015-06-18 Thread Liam Wyatt
TL;DR - This is clearly a private personnel matter, but why is the WMF
being needlessly secretive about its own official statement?

I became aware that this account had been locked too. And was,
naturally enough, very curious what it meant. Although this statement
above by James is diplomatically vague, it is clear that this
particular lock is an extraordinary action due to the severity of the
locks in place. Damon’s log states:

“…with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled,
autoblock disabled, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page) (edit
summary removed)

This is quite different and significantly more stringent than the
standard log when an employee leaves, which always states:

“…with an expiry time of indefinite (autoblock disabled) (No longer
employed with WMF)”

I note that ALL logs on this page are for when employees leave the
foundation and their account is permanently locked, or, an old
employee is rehired and their account is re-activated. None of these
are designed as temporary actions.
See: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:Log/block

So, being curious about this, I asked several WMF employees about it.
They have all *verbally* told me precisely - to the word - the same
thing:
“Damon is on two weeks leave.”

It is likely that all staff of the WMF have received this official
statement, and none but the executives know anything more. Clearly,
this is a very significant event that requires an extraordinary degree
of care and privacy in handling. This is obviously an
employment-related matter, and that comes with serious considerations
about handling it delicately. I strongly respect that.

HOWEVER, this is what I find really really weird…
The statement “Damon is on two weeks leave” is the official statement
that all staff have been told, and this is what they were instructed
to tell the community if anyone asks. So, when I asked some foundation
employees, this is precisely what they told me. BUT, here’s the
strange part, no foundation employee is allowed to write the phrase
“Damon is on two weeks leave” down in words. It is the official
statement of the WMF, and a statement that has been instructed to be
shared with the community if they ask, but only by audio, not text.
So… as a non-WMF employee who has asked WMF-employees for info, and
have received the official response, I am sharing the official
response here in writing because they are not allowed to: Damon is on
two weeks leave.

Like I said above, I am not interested in prying into a matter that is
obviously private and sensitive and should remain that way. What I AM
interested to know is: on what legal/policy/risk-assessment/rule basis
are WMF staff not allowed to put in writing the WMF’s own official
statement?

- Liam / Wittylama

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing staff changes at the WMF

2015-06-18 Thread Brandon Harris

 On Jun 18, 2015, at 11:55 AM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org 
 wrote:
 
 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Tomasz W. Kozłowski twkozlow...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have just noticed that Damon Sicore's account has been removed from
 the Foundation wiki[1] and that his global account has just been
 locked on Meta[2].
 
 
 
 Hi Tomasz,
 
 We adjust the rights of, or access to, staff accounts for many different
 reasons. For example, last weekend, we temporarily removed the rights from
 another staff member because they were in a country where having those
 permissions could have been sensitive. Sometimes we can’t disclose reasons
 prior to taking an action, or discuss them immediately. Although we aim for
 full transparency, occasionally there are factors in place that mean we
 can’t be as transparent as we'd like in the moment. Thanks for
 understanding.

Not to be that guy or anything, but there are no special rights 
associated with foundationwiki that exist outside of that wiki, and yet his 
account was locked there (there aren't any sekrit bits of data there, either).

Were his rights to officewiki removed as well?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Legoktm
On 06/18/2015 10:48 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote:
 On 18 June 2015 at 18:20, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Switching it off would thus be an immediate improvement.

 It's actually not useless:
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079762.html
 
 And again, that refers to CAPTCHA used for creating new accounts, not
 the one under discussion.

Um, no it doesn't? It referred to *all* CAPTCHAs. I would recommend you
read
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit/FancyCaptcha_experiments
which has some more details.

-- Legoktm

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread James Heilman
Yes CAPTCHA is a pain. Yes it prevents bots from spamming us.

The question is does cluebot provide us sufficient defence such that
CAPTCHA is not needed?

-- 
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

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My emails; however, do not represent the official position of the WMF

The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Andy Mabbett

On 18 June 2015 at 22:25, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's actually not useless:
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079762.html

 And again, that refers to CAPTCHA used for creating new accounts, not
 the one under discussion.

 Um, no it doesn't? It referred to *all* CAPTCHAs.

Really? It refers to the CAPTCHA, singular, when the CAPTCHA under
disussion was that for sign-ups. It also quotes:

 With SUL, disabling captcha for account creation on one wiki
 effectively means we have disabled it on all wikis (create account on
 testwiki, visit enwiki, you're autocreated, edit!).

 I would recommend you read
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit/FancyCaptcha_experiments
 which has some more details.

So two things were disabled, and a change was noted. We don't know
which of those two things caused the change. We have no evidence as to
whether or not disabling the CAPTCHA *just* for (signed in) editors
saving an edit would have a negative effect.

-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Stevie Benton
Fabrice, you may not recall my name or know me well, but your thoughtful
contributions to Wikimedia comms over the past years have been greatly
appreciated. Seeing your name appear in my inbox has always been an
indication of something worth reading and giving attention to.

I wish you the best for the future, and hope you appreciate that you will
be missed.

Very best wishes,

Stevie

On 18 June 2015 at 18:18, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you Fabrice for all of your work over the years! We will miss you -
 but hopefully will still see you around the project wikis.  :)

 -greg (User:Varnent)

 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  Hello everyone,
 
  After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come to
  say goodbye.
 
  I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my
  family, focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy
  causes.
 
  I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had the
  pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve our
  movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge
 with
  each other and the world.
 
  I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF communications
  team for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working
 with
  them to manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and
 publish
  some great stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement.
 
  Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog, in
  close collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the former
  editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team for
  the summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him
  uniquely qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact them
  directly with any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this
 message).
 
  After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com — or follow
  me on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog (
 http://fabriceflorin.com
  ).
 
  The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I am
  grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been an
  inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time together. I
  wish you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement and
  can’t wait to see what you’ll come up with next.
 
  Best regards,
 
 
  Fabrice
 
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] This week on the Wikimedia Blog

2015-06-18 Thread Fabrice Florin
Hi folks,

Here are some of the stories featured this week on the Wikimedia Blog:

• Wikipedia receives Spain’s Princess of Asturias Award for International 
Cooperation
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/17/princess-of-asturias-award/

• A veteran’s Wikipedia edits help him understand the brutality behind 
Yugoslavia’s wars
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/18/understanding-yugoslavia-wars-on-wikipedia/

• Wiki Loves Pride: Help expand Wikipedia’s LGBT coverage
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/18/wiki-loves-pride-2015/

• Space, disease and a natural disaster: this week in news on Wikipedia
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/16/this-week-in-news-on-wikipedia/

• Wikimedia Highlights, May 2015
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/06/12/wikimedia-highlights-may-2015/

More stories on the Wikimedia Blog:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/

Enjoy,


Fabrice


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-18 Thread Subhashish Panigrahi
Hi Fabtice,

It feels terribly bad to learn that you're leaving the foundation. But I'm sure 
we would not miss you in all your community activities in a personal capacity. 
Wish you all the best for the future projects.

Best!
Subha

 On 19-Jun-2015, at 1:36 am, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Fabrice, you may not recall my name or know me well, but your thoughtful
 contributions to Wikimedia comms over the past years have been greatly
 appreciated. Seeing your name appear in my inbox has always been an
 indication of something worth reading and giving attention to.
 
 I wish you the best for the future, and hope you appreciate that you will
 be missed.
 
 Very best wishes,
 
 Stevie
 
 On 18 June 2015 at 18:18, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thank you Fabrice for all of your work over the years! We will miss you -
 but hopefully will still see you around the project wikis.  :)
 
 -greg (User:Varnent)
 
 On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come to
 say goodbye.
 
 I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my
 family, focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on worthy
 causes.
 
 I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had the
 pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve our
 movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge
 with
 each other and the world.
 
 I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF communications
 team for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working
 with
 them to manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and
 publish
 some great stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement.
 
 Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog, in
 close collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the former
 editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team for
 the summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him
 uniquely qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact them
 directly with any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this
 message).
 
 After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com — or follow
 me on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog (
 http://fabriceflorin.com
 ).
 
 The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I am
 grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been an
 inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time together. I
 wish you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement and
 can’t wait to see what you’ll come up with next.
 
 Best regards,
 
 
 Fabrice
 
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