[Wikimedia-l] Does this article exist in your language?
Hi all, Does your language Wikipedia have an article about Freedom of Panorama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama? This public right is often not as such recognised, also often unknown or considered naturally, but enables mankind in many countries to freely publicize pictures of modern buildings and public art. I think it would be good if Wikipedia has an article in many many languages about this public right, so that the public can be informed about this subject. Does your language Wikipedia cover this topic? Greetings, Romaine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research
So as part of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging people to translated articles into needed languages. I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes other than the user has agreed to, is not ok. -- bawolff ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: So as part of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging people to translated articles into needed languages. I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes other than the user has agreed to, is not ok. I'm not really fazed by the fact that emails were unsolicited, but by the fact that I got it in French. I don't know whether that was a glitch or a conscious decision, but my knowledge of French is somewhere around fr-0.1, and it made no sense to me why I got it in a language other than English. :) Cheers, Filip Maljković ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] WMHK's statement on Wikimania 2015
Dear all, Here is the WMHK's official statement on Wikimania 2015: http://www.wikimedia.hk/uploads/WMHK-Wikimania-2015.pdf -- Rover T.F. Wong President Wikimedia Hong Kong ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does this article exist in your language?
Romaine Wiki wrote: Does your language Wikipedia have an article about Freedom of Panorama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama? This public right is often not as such recognised, also often unknown or considered naturally, but enables mankind in many countries to freely publicize pictures of modern buildings and public art. I think it would be good if Wikipedia has an article in many many languages about this public right, so that the public can be informed about this subject. Does your language Wikipedia cover this topic? Hi. Yep, it looks like my language Wikipedia (English) has an article. And https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q918113#sitelinks-wikipedia tracks which other Wikipedias have similar articles. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research
Filip Maljković wrote: On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: So as part of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging people to translated articles into needed languages. I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes other than the user has agreed to, is not ok. I'm not really fazed by the fact that emails were unsolicited, but by the fact that I got it in French. I don't know whether that was a glitch or a conscious decision, but my knowledge of French is somewhere around fr-0.1, and it made no sense to me why I got it in a language other than English. :) I tend to agree with Brian. I'm not sure spamming people to create articles is a reasonable approach. I'm also not sure how it's appropriate to opt users in to an experiment without their consent. Like Filip, I was confused why I received an e-mail in French. I actually figured it had something to do with imported edits, but I hadn't investigated what the e-mail was about. The text of the e-mail I received is pasted below. MZMcBride Bonjour MZMcBride, L’équipe Recherche de la Fondation Wikimédia (Wikimedia Research) travaille actuellement sur l’identification d’articles populaires et importants[1] dans certaines langues du projet Wikipédia qui n’existent pas encore sur le Wikipédia francophone. Les cinq articles suivants existent dans la version anglophone de Wikipédia et sont considérés comme étant importants pour les autres langues du projet. Au vu de votre historique de contribution à Wikipédia, nous pensons que vous êtes un(e) excellent candidat(e) pour contribuer à ces articles. Démarrer la création de l'un de ces articles serait un premier pas considérable en vue d'élargir les connaissances disponibles en français.[2] Domain privacy https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Domain_privacy Zango (company) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Zango_(company) Closed platform https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Closed_platform Criticism of Second Life https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Criticism_of_Second_Life Online producer https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Online_producer Nous vous remercions d'avance pour votre aide.[3][4] Equipe de Recherche Fondation Wikimédia 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor San Francisco, CA, 94105 415.839.6885 (Office) 1. Nous identifions les articles importants et populaires grâce à un algorithme. Cette sélection d'articles peut être un résultat personnalisé ou aléatoire. Vous pouvez en apprendre davantage sur la personnalisation et les méthodes utilisées pour trouver les articles importants à cette adresse https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage#Metho dology. 2. Les liens pointent vers l’outil de traduction de Wikipédia (ContentTranslation Tool). Cet outil est en cours de développement par l’équipe Language Engineering de la fondation (pour l’instant en version beta dans certaines langues). En savoir plus: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation. 3. Si vous désirez plus d’informations sur ce projet de recherche, vous pouvez lire cette page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage (en anglais), et nous en parler sur sa page de discussion https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Increasing_article_coverage (en anglais de préférence, même si nous trouverons certainement un traducteur si vous nous écrivez en français :). 4. Votre avis est important pour nous. Faites nous part de vos impressions par courriel à l’adresse recommender-feedb...@wikimedia.org. Si vous ne souhaitez plus recevoir de courriel de Wikimedia Research, merci d’envoyer un courriel ayant pour sujet unsubscribe à l’adresse recommender-feedb...@wikimedia.org. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does this article exist in your language?
Which European languages do not have an article about this subject? * Icelandic * Norwegian * Danish * Lithuanian * Belarusian * Croatian * Romanian * Albanian * Turkish * Maltese Any other European languages missing an article about it? Do we know users who speak one of these languages and can write/translate an article about this subject of Freedom of Panorama? Romaine 2015-06-27 12:28 GMT+02:00 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: Romaine Wiki wrote: Does your language Wikipedia have an article about Freedom of Panorama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama? This public right is often not as such recognised, also often unknown or considered naturally, but enables mankind in many countries to freely publicize pictures of modern buildings and public art. I think it would be good if Wikipedia has an article in many many languages about this public right, so that the public can be informed about this subject. Does your language Wikipedia cover this topic? Hi. Yep, it looks like my language Wikipedia (English) has an article. And https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q918113#sitelinks-wikipedia tracks which other Wikipedias have similar articles. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research
This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list. I have three questions: 1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom? 2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use your email address to let you know about things that are happening with the Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as telling you important information about your account, letting you know if something is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow. The bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized under the privacy policy. 3. Wouldn't talk pages be a more appropriate outreach method than bulk email? Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research
On 27 June 2015 at 17:28, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: So that’s what that e-mail was about. I got an e-mail in French, a language which I don’t read, write, or speak. I assumed a technical or human error. Pine's questions are certainly deserving of prompt and frank answers. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research
Hi All, Please see in-line below. -Michelle On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Leila Zia le...@wikimedia.org wrote: + Michelle Paulson On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.p...@gmail.com'); wrote: This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list. I have three questions: 1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom? No, and RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). This is a research from the Research team in the WMF. 2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use your email address to let you know about things that are happening with the Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as telling you important information about your account, letting you know if something is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow. The bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized under the privacy policy. Michelle can help with this one as this is related to Legal. Note that it's weekend here and this may have to wait until Monday. The research team did speak to me prior to beginning this project to ensure that they complied with the WMF privacy policy. It is my view that this type of use falls within the permissible potential uses for email addresses under the policy. The examples listed in the policy are meant to be illustrative, not exclusive -- the absence of this situation as an enumerated example shouldn't be taken as a prohibition. That said, it is a new use and therefore, will and should be the subject of discussion and debate. It is such feedback and testing that will help us refine email practices to be both effective and reflective of community values. 3. Wouldn't talk pages be a more appropriate outreach method than bulk email? The reason we chose email over talk pages (or Echo notifications) is explained here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Increasing_article_coverage#.C2.AB_recommander_par_courriel_des_articles_.C3.A0_cr.C3.A9er.E2.80.A6_.C2.BB. Hope this helps. Best, Leila Thanks, Pine ___ Wiki-research-l mailing list wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org'); https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l -- == Michelle Paulson Senior Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 mpaul...@wikimedia.org 415.839.6885 ext. 6608 (Office) 415.882.0495 (Fax) *NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation and for legal/ethical reasons, I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference Follow-Up Day at Wikimania 2015
Sorry for crossposting; --- Dear Wikimedia friends, Last week, I have published the documentation of the Wikimedia Conference 2015.[1] For many sessions, participants and speakers agreed on further steps to be taken in the next weeks and months. You find them on Meta.[1] In three weeks, many of us will gather again in Mexico City for the Wikimania. To make the best out of this opportunity and continue the conversations started at the Wikimedia conference in a structured way, I’m organising a “WMCON Follow-Up Day” one day before the Wikimania itself, on Thursday, July 16. At this day, you will find the opportunity to discuss six different topics (one of them is still tbc). For each topic we will have around 90 min, which should be sufficient to discuss details and lay the ground for further steps. And there is still some space available for two further topics. Email me if you’re interested in giving input. The Follow-Up Day will take place in the Fiesta Inn Hotel, which is right next to the Hilton Mexico City Reforma where the Wikimania takes place. You can find all the information on the Wikimania wiki: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMCON_Follow-Up_Day For an easier planning and to increase the chances for coordination and engagement between participants/speakers during preparation, please sign up there. I’m really looking forward to seeing you! Cornelius [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Documentation_and_Follow-Up -- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research
RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). *RCom is not dead. It changed into something less formal and less hierarchical. You can still email me and Dario to get support for your research plans. We'd still reconvene the committee if it looks like that'll help. * While RCom hasn't met in a long time, the process for subject recruitment hasn't slowed. We don't have a technical requirement that all recruitment studies must follow The Process, but I have been helping researchers document their studies and obtain feedback and sometimes consensus for more than five years now. Really, RCom has morphed slowly into the Research Team at the WMF + a few interested volunteers that we can manage to pull in to help us with review work (shout out to Daniel Mietchen, Nemo, Yaroslav BluRasberry). Within the research team, we *do* have structured processed for supporting researchers access to data and engineering support, but subject recruitment has been mostly left in my (volunteer time) hands. Regretfully, I wasn't involved in the planning of this project or I would have directed it towards best practices for minimizing disruption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research_recruitment -- e.g. an RFC. I would have also pushed Leila to find a way to make posts on talk pages work (since they are known to be generally preferable, police-able, etc.), but I can understand why concerns around privacy might be worth discussion. I regret that this discussion only happened after-the-fact as it could have informed the study design for the better. FWIW, SuggestBot posts recommendations on user talk pages and also does not filter for offensive content (to my knowledge). Finally, I think it is important to consider the source of this research work. Leila is not some random academic or industry researcher who is planning to take advantage of Wikipedians for a study, but not give back. Leila is working with a team at the WMF tasked with building better translation tools. She helped them design an experiment that would explore the effectiveness of these tools so that when something is deployed, it's actually better and we know it scientifically. A lot of the work I do with external researchers is to help make sure that their work has the potential to benefit Wikipedia/Wikipedians/Wikimedia/Open knowledge. In this case, the Leila's team is just helping the product teams engage in best practices around empirical software change practice. After all, every software deployment is an experiment that is inflicted upon you without consent. In this case, Leila's job is making sure that we know the effect before we deploy. So, what I really mean to say is: 1. You're right. We should do this better. We have a process and everyone should go through it. It might have caught some of the issues that have been raised. 2. Leila is WMF staff. She's trying to help the WMF build better software for the purpose of benefiting Wikipedians. Her team deserves some slack. The alternative of not running the study is less desirable. -Aaron On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Michelle Paulson mpaul...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi All, Please see in-line below. -Michelle On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Leila Zia le...@wikimedia.org wrote: + Michelle Paulson On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.p...@gmail.com'); wrote: This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list. I have three questions: 1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom? No, and RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). This is a research from the Research team in the WMF. 2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use your email address to let you know about things that are happening with the Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as telling you important information about your account, letting you know if something is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow. The bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized under the privacy policy. Michelle can help with this one as this is related to Legal. Note that it's weekend here and this may have to wait until Monday. The research team did speak to me prior to beginning this project to ensure that they complied with
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel
The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US chapter is founded ;-) Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Garfield, I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have noted the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and associated high salaries for WMF employees. I see on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main office lease expires. Questions: What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its current location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the remodel by the building owner? I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is this being considered? Thanks very much, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does this article exist in your language?
On 27 June 2015 at 11:39, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Any other European languages missing an article about it? Welsh (Cymraeg) doesn't have one. Don't forget that many non-Euorpean languages have significant numbers of speakers in Europe: Bengali, Hindi, etc. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMHK's statement on Wikimania 2015
Hello Wikimedia HK! Thank you very much for your kind words. These last few weeks have been very hard and every single word of encouragement is valuable for us. On behalf of the organizers and volunteers I thank you and everyone a warm hug! We are working very hard to ensure everyone has a blast in Mexico City next month. We hope to see you there! On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Wong Rover ro...@wikimedia.hk wrote: Dear all, Here is the WMHK's official statement on Wikimania 2015: http://www.wikimedia.hk/uploads/WMHK-Wikimania-2015.pdf -- Rover T.F. Wong President Wikimedia Hong Kong ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Imagina un mundo en donde cada persona del planeta pueda tener acceso libre a la suma total de todo el conocimiento humano. Eso es lo que estamos haciendo.—Jimmy Wales https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales. Socio de Wikimedia México https://mx.wikimedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_principal. [image: Andrés C y C on about.me] Andrés Cruz y Corro about.me/andycyca http://about.me/andycyca ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)
Ricordisamoa, I have no preference either way. I live in a geographically enormous country (Canada), which has a national chapter - centered so far away from me that I'll never be in a position to participate in person at a regular meetup. In Canada's case, regional chapters might have been better, and I wonder about other geographically large countries where this would also be more workable. Risker On 28 June 2015 at 01:17, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: I infer that you would have preferred a single US chapter from the start, wouldn't you? Il 28/06/2015 06:08, Risker ha scritto: Ironically, Ricordisamoa, the decision to not have a US chapter was made around 10 years ago at the strong urging of other chapters. The theory (as I understand it) was that the US was the home of the WMF itself, which in the view of the era, meant that the US didn't need the protections that came from a chapter; the WMF itself was perceived to speak for US Wikimedians. (Given the times, back when there were literally only enough employees to run the servers and sort of keep an eye on MediaWiki, this was perhaps an incorrect assessment.) Then US regions started to form chapters, first New York then DC; there are now a significant number of user groups. If there had been a US chapter formed back at that time, there would only be one US chapter; the rest would never be recognized at the chapter level. Instead, we now see the specter of what could come, since the US alone as a nation with a large number of Wikimedians does not have the opportunity for a single chapter: given a little bit more organization, and the ambition to do the paperwork to become a chapter, the US could have as many (or more) chapters than exist in all of Europe in a few years. One has to wonder if some other countries, especially those with a large number of Wikimedians or a massive geographic area, might wish they had gone with regional affiliates rather than a national one. Risker/Anne On 27 June 2015 at 23:26, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: I know the confederated approach may surely make more sense for the local communities, but I think an established regional subject would help uproot the Foundation from a single country it relies too much on. Il 28/06/2015 05:00, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Ricordisamoa, There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate. Thanks! Pine On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US chapter is founded ;-) Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Garfield, I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have noted the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and associated high salaries for WMF employees. I see on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main office lease expires. Questions: What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its current location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the remodel by the building owner? I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is this being considered? Thanks very much, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
[Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)
Hi Ricordisamoa, There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate. Thanks! Pine On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US chapter is founded ;-) Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Garfield, I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have noted the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and associated high salaries for WMF employees. I see on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main office lease expires. Questions: What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its current location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the remodel by the building owner? I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is this being considered? Thanks very much, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)
Ironically, Ricordisamoa, the decision to not have a US chapter was made around 10 years ago at the strong urging of other chapters. The theory (as I understand it) was that the US was the home of the WMF itself, which in the view of the era, meant that the US didn't need the protections that came from a chapter; the WMF itself was perceived to speak for US Wikimedians. (Given the times, back when there were literally only enough employees to run the servers and sort of keep an eye on MediaWiki, this was perhaps an incorrect assessment.) Then US regions started to form chapters, first New York then DC; there are now a significant number of user groups. If there had been a US chapter formed back at that time, there would only be one US chapter; the rest would never be recognized at the chapter level. Instead, we now see the specter of what could come, since the US alone as a nation with a large number of Wikimedians does not have the opportunity for a single chapter: given a little bit more organization, and the ambition to do the paperwork to become a chapter, the US could have as many (or more) chapters than exist in all of Europe in a few years. One has to wonder if some other countries, especially those with a large number of Wikimedians or a massive geographic area, might wish they had gone with regional affiliates rather than a national one. Risker/Anne On 27 June 2015 at 23:26, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: I know the confederated approach may surely make more sense for the local communities, but I think an established regional subject would help uproot the Foundation from a single country it relies too much on. Il 28/06/2015 05:00, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Ricordisamoa, There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate. Thanks! Pine On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US chapter is founded ;-) Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Garfield, I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have noted the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and associated high salaries for WMF employees. I see on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main office lease expires. Questions: What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its current location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the remodel by the building owner? I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is this being considered? Thanks very much, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)
I know the confederated approach may surely make more sense for the local communities, but I think an established regional subject would help uproot the Foundation from a single country it relies too much on. Il 28/06/2015 05:00, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Ricordisamoa, There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate. Thanks! Pine On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US chapter is founded ;-) Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Garfield, I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have noted the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and associated high salaries for WMF employees. I see on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main office lease expires. Questions: What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its current location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the remodel by the building owner? I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is this being considered? Thanks very much, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research
Hi, I appreciate people answering questions on weekends. After reading this thread, it sounds like this is a well-intentioned research project but there are opportunities for improvement. If someone (maybe Leila and Michelle?) could compile a timeline, a list of the issues raised in these email threads, a list of open questions about policies and processes, and a list of opportunities for process improvement based on discussion in these threads, then I think we can use this series of events to make improvements and clarifications that will benefit future outreach and research. Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)
I infer that you would have preferred a single US chapter from the start, wouldn't you? Il 28/06/2015 06:08, Risker ha scritto: Ironically, Ricordisamoa, the decision to not have a US chapter was made around 10 years ago at the strong urging of other chapters. The theory (as I understand it) was that the US was the home of the WMF itself, which in the view of the era, meant that the US didn't need the protections that came from a chapter; the WMF itself was perceived to speak for US Wikimedians. (Given the times, back when there were literally only enough employees to run the servers and sort of keep an eye on MediaWiki, this was perhaps an incorrect assessment.) Then US regions started to form chapters, first New York then DC; there are now a significant number of user groups. If there had been a US chapter formed back at that time, there would only be one US chapter; the rest would never be recognized at the chapter level. Instead, we now see the specter of what could come, since the US alone as a nation with a large number of Wikimedians does not have the opportunity for a single chapter: given a little bit more organization, and the ambition to do the paperwork to become a chapter, the US could have as many (or more) chapters than exist in all of Europe in a few years. One has to wonder if some other countries, especially those with a large number of Wikimedians or a massive geographic area, might wish they had gone with regional affiliates rather than a national one. Risker/Anne On 27 June 2015 at 23:26, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: I know the confederated approach may surely make more sense for the local communities, but I think an established regional subject would help uproot the Foundation from a single country it relies too much on. Il 28/06/2015 05:00, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Ricordisamoa, There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate. Thanks! Pine On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US chapter is founded ;-) Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto: Hi Garfield, I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have noted the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and associated high salaries for WMF employees. I see on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main office lease expires. Questions: What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its current location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the remodel by the building owner? I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is this being considered? Thanks very much, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
