[Wikimedia-l] Does this article exist in your language?

2015-06-27 Thread Romaine Wiki
Hi all,

Does your language Wikipedia have an article about Freedom of Panorama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama?

This public right is often not as such recognised, also often unknown or
considered naturally, but enables mankind in many countries to freely
publicize pictures of modern buildings and public art.

I think it would be good if Wikipedia has an article in many many languages
about this public right, so that the public can be informed about this
subject.

Does your language Wikipedia cover this topic?

Greetings,
Romaine
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[Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Brian Wolff
So as part of 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage
, it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging
people to translated articles into needed languages.

I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about
the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user
has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes
other than the user has agreed to, is not ok.

--
bawolff

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Filip Maljković
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:

 So as part of
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage
 , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging
 people to translated articles into needed languages.

 I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about
 the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user
 has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes
 other than the user has agreed to, is not ok.

I'm not really fazed by the fact that emails were unsolicited, but by the
fact that I got it in French. I don't know whether that was a glitch or a
conscious decision, but my knowledge of French is somewhere around fr-0.1,
and it made no sense to me why I got it in a language other than English. :)

Cheers,
Filip Maljković
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[Wikimedia-l] WMHK's statement on Wikimania 2015

2015-06-27 Thread Wong Rover
Dear all,

Here is the WMHK's official statement on Wikimania 2015:
http://www.wikimedia.hk/uploads/WMHK-Wikimania-2015.pdf


-- 
Rover T.F. Wong
President
Wikimedia Hong Kong
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does this article exist in your language?

2015-06-27 Thread MZMcBride
Romaine Wiki wrote:
Does your language Wikipedia have an article about Freedom of Panorama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama?

This public right is often not as such recognised, also often unknown or
considered naturally, but enables mankind in many countries to freely
publicize pictures of modern buildings and public art.

I think it would be good if Wikipedia has an article in many many
languages about this public right, so that the public can be informed
about this subject.

Does your language Wikipedia cover this topic?

Hi.

Yep, it looks like my language Wikipedia (English) has an article.

And https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q918113#sitelinks-wikipedia tracks
which other Wikipedias have similar articles. :-)

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread MZMcBride
Filip Maljković wrote:
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:
 So as part of
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage
 , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging
 people to translated articles into needed languages.

 I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about
 the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user
 has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes
 other than the user has agreed to, is not ok.

I'm not really fazed by the fact that emails were unsolicited, but by the
fact that I got it in French. I don't know whether that was a glitch or a
conscious decision, but my knowledge of French is somewhere around fr-0.1,
and it made no sense to me why I got it in a language other than English.
:)

I tend to agree with Brian. I'm not sure spamming people to create
articles is a reasonable approach. I'm also not sure how it's appropriate
to opt users in to an experiment without their consent.

Like Filip, I was confused why I received an e-mail in French. I actually
figured it had something to do with imported edits, but I hadn't
investigated what the e-mail was about.

The text of the e-mail I received is pasted below.

MZMcBride




Bonjour MZMcBride,

L’équipe Recherche de la Fondation Wikimédia (Wikimedia Research)
travaille actuellement sur l’identification d’articles populaires et
importants[1] dans certaines langues du projet Wikipédia qui n’existent
pas encore sur le Wikipédia francophone. Les cinq articles suivants
existent dans la version anglophone de Wikipédia et sont considérés comme
étant importants pour les autres langues du projet. Au vu de votre
historique de contribution à Wikipédia, nous pensons que vous êtes un(e)
excellent candidat(e) pour contribuer à ces articles. Démarrer la création
de l'un de ces articles serait un premier pas considérable en vue
d'élargir les connaissances disponibles en français.[2]

Domain privacy 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Domain_privacy

Zango (company) 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Zango_(company)

Closed platform 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Closed_platform

Criticism of Second Life
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Criticism_of_Second_Life

Online producer 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Online_producer

Nous vous remercions d'avance pour votre aide.[3][4]

Equipe de Recherche
Fondation Wikimédia
149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor
San Francisco, CA, 94105
415.839.6885 (Office)

1. Nous identifions les articles importants et populaires grâce à un
algorithme. Cette sélection d'articles peut être un résultat personnalisé
ou aléatoire. Vous pouvez en apprendre davantage sur la personnalisation
et les méthodes utilisées pour trouver les articles importants à cette
adresse 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage#Metho
dology.
2. Les liens pointent vers l’outil de traduction de Wikipédia
(ContentTranslation Tool). Cet outil est en cours de développement par
l’équipe Language Engineering de la fondation (pour l’instant en version
beta dans certaines langues). En savoir plus:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation.
3. Si vous désirez plus d’informations sur ce projet de recherche, vous
pouvez lire cette page
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage (en
anglais), et nous en parler sur sa page de discussion
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Increasing_article_coverage
 (en anglais de préférence, même si nous trouverons certainement un
traducteur si vous nous écrivez en français :).
4. Votre avis est important pour nous. Faites nous part de vos impressions
par courriel à l’adresse recommender-feedb...@wikimedia.org.



Si vous ne souhaitez plus recevoir de courriel de Wikimedia Research,
merci d’envoyer un courriel ayant pour sujet unsubscribe à l’adresse
recommender-feedb...@wikimedia.org.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does this article exist in your language?

2015-06-27 Thread Romaine Wiki
Which European languages do not have an article about this subject?

* Icelandic
* Norwegian
* Danish
* Lithuanian
* Belarusian
* Croatian
* Romanian
* Albanian
* Turkish
* Maltese

Any other European languages missing an article about it?

Do we know users who speak one of these languages and can write/translate
an article about this subject of Freedom of Panorama?

Romaine



2015-06-27 12:28 GMT+02:00 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com:

 Romaine Wiki wrote:
 Does your language Wikipedia have an article about Freedom of Panorama
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama?
 
 This public right is often not as such recognised, also often unknown or
 considered naturally, but enables mankind in many countries to freely
 publicize pictures of modern buildings and public art.
 
 I think it would be good if Wikipedia has an article in many many
 languages about this public right, so that the public can be informed
 about this subject.
 
 Does your language Wikipedia cover this topic?

 Hi.

 Yep, it looks like my language Wikipedia (English) has an article.

 And https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q918113#sitelinks-wikipedia tracks
 which other Wikipedias have similar articles. :-)

 MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Pine W
This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list.

I have three questions:

1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom?

2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are
proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of
nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those
addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the
Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use your
email address to let you know about things that are happening with the
Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as telling
you important information about your account, letting you know if something
is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when
there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow. The
bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research
and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized under
the privacy policy.

3. Wouldn't talk pages be a more appropriate outreach method than bulk
email?

Thanks,

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 27 June 2015 at 17:28, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:

 So that’s what that e-mail was about.
 I got an e-mail in French, a language which I don’t read, write, or speak.

I assumed a technical or human error. Pine's questions are certainly
deserving of prompt and frank answers.

-- 
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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Michelle Paulson
Hi All,

Please see in-line below.

-Michelle

On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Leila Zia le...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 + Michelle Paulson

 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.p...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list.

 I have three questions:

 1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom?

  No, and RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or
 more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). This is a research from the
 Research team in the WMF.

 2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are
 proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of
 nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those
 addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the
 Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use your
 email address to let you know about things that are happening with the
 Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as telling
 you important information about your account, letting you know if something
 is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when
 there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow. The
 bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research
 and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized under
 the privacy policy.

 Michelle can help with this one as this is related to Legal. Note that
 it's weekend here and this may have to wait until Monday.


The research team did speak to me prior to beginning this project to ensure
that they complied with the WMF privacy policy. It is my view that this
type of use falls within the permissible potential uses for email addresses
under the policy. The examples listed in the policy are meant to be
illustrative, not exclusive -- the absence of this situation as an
enumerated example shouldn't be taken as a prohibition.

That said, it is a new use and therefore, will and should be the subject of
discussion and debate. It is such feedback and testing that will help us
refine email practices to be both effective and reflective of community
values.

 3. Wouldn't talk pages be a more appropriate outreach method than bulk
 email?

 The reason we chose email over talk pages (or Echo notifications) is
 explained here
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Increasing_article_coverage#.C2.AB_recommander_par_courriel_des_articles_.C3.A0_cr.C3.A9er.E2.80.A6_.C2.BB.


 Hope this helps.

 Best,
 Leila

 Thanks,

 Pine

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference Follow-Up Day at Wikimania 2015

2015-06-27 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
Sorry for crossposting;

---


Dear Wikimedia friends,

Last week, I have published the documentation of the Wikimedia Conference
2015.[1] For many sessions, participants and speakers agreed on further
steps to be taken in the next weeks and months. You find them on Meta.[1]

In three weeks, many of us will gather again in Mexico City for the
Wikimania. To make the best out of this opportunity and continue the
conversations started at the Wikimedia conference in a structured way,  I’m
organising a “WMCON Follow-Up Day” one day before the Wikimania itself, on
Thursday, July 16. At this day, you will find the opportunity to discuss
six different topics (one of them is still tbc). For each topic we will
have around 90 min, which should be sufficient to discuss details and lay
the ground for further steps. And there is still some space available for
two further topics. Email me if you’re interested in giving input.

The Follow-Up Day will take place in the Fiesta Inn Hotel, which is right
next to the Hilton Mexico City Reforma where the Wikimania takes place.

You can find all the information on the Wikimania wiki:

https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMCON_Follow-Up_Day

For an easier planning and to increase the chances for coordination and
engagement between participants/speakers during preparation, please sign up
there.

I’m really looking forward to seeing you!

Cornelius

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Documentation_and_Follow-Up

-- 
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
for the Wikimedia Conference

Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
http://wikimedia.de

Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
http://spenden.wikimedia.de/

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Aaron Halfaker

  RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or more (last
 meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011).


*RCom is not dead.   It changed into something less formal and less
hierarchical.  You can still email me and Dario to get support for your
research plans.  We'd still reconvene the committee if it looks like
that'll help. *

While RCom hasn't met in a long time, the process for subject recruitment
hasn't slowed.  We don't have a technical requirement that all recruitment
studies must follow The Process, but I have been helping researchers
document their studies and obtain feedback and sometimes consensus for more
than five years now.

Really, RCom has morphed slowly into the Research Team at the WMF + a few
interested volunteers that we can manage to pull in to help us with review
work (shout out to Daniel Mietchen, Nemo, Yaroslav  BluRasberry).  Within
the research team, we *do* have structured processed for supporting
researchers access to data and engineering support, but subject recruitment
has been mostly left in my (volunteer time) hands.

Regretfully, I wasn't involved in the planning of this project or I would
have directed it towards best practices for minimizing disruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research_recruitment -- e.g. an
RFC.  I would have also pushed Leila to find a way to make posts on talk
pages work (since they are known to be generally preferable, police-able,
etc.), but I can understand why concerns around privacy might be worth
discussion.  I regret that this discussion only happened after-the-fact as
it could have informed the study design for the better.  FWIW, SuggestBot
posts recommendations on user talk pages and also does not filter for
offensive content (to my knowledge).

Finally, I think it is important to consider the source of this research
work.  Leila is not some random academic or industry researcher who is
planning to take advantage of Wikipedians for a study, but not give back.
Leila is working with a team at the WMF tasked with building better
translation tools.  She helped them design an experiment that would explore
the effectiveness of these tools so that when something is deployed, it's
actually better and we know it scientifically.  A lot of the work I do with
external researchers is to help make sure that their work has the potential
to benefit Wikipedia/Wikipedians/Wikimedia/Open knowledge.  In this case,
the Leila's team is just helping the product teams engage in best practices
around empirical software change practice.   After all, every software
deployment is an experiment that is inflicted upon you without consent.  In
this case, Leila's job is making sure that we know the effect before we
deploy.

So, what I really mean to say is:

   1. You're right.  We should do this better.  We have a process and
   everyone should go through it.  It might have caught some of the issues
   that have been raised.
   2. Leila is WMF staff.  She's trying to help the WMF build better
   software for the purpose of benefiting Wikipedians.  Her team deserves some
   slack.  The alternative of not running the study is less desirable.

-Aaron

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Michelle Paulson mpaul...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 Hi All,

 Please see in-line below.

 -Michelle

 On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Leila Zia le...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  + Michelle Paulson
 
  On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com
  javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.p...@gmail.com'); wrote:
 
  This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list.
 
  I have three questions:
 
  1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom?
 
   No, and RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or
  more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). This is a research from the
  Research team in the WMF.
 
  2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are
  proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of
  nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those
  addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the
  Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use
 your
  email address to let you know about things that are happening with the
  Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as
 telling
  you important information about your account, letting you know if
 something
  is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when
  there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow.
 The
  bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research
  and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized
 under
  the privacy policy.
 
  Michelle can help with this one as this is related to Legal. Note that
  it's weekend here and this may have to wait until Monday.
 

 The research team did speak to me prior to beginning this project to ensure
 that they complied with 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-06-27 Thread Ricordisamoa
The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US 
chapter is founded ;-)


Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto:

Hi Garfield,

I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have noted
the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of
living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
associated high salaries for WMF employees.

I see on
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main office
lease expires.

Questions:

What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its current
location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the
remodel by the building owner?

I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market
area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have
less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is this
being considered?

Thanks very much,

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does this article exist in your language?

2015-06-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 27 June 2015 at 11:39, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any other European languages missing an article about it?

Welsh (Cymraeg) doesn't have one.

Don't forget that many non-Euorpean languages have significant
numbers of speakers in Europe: Bengali, Hindi, etc.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMHK's statement on Wikimania 2015

2015-06-27 Thread Andy Cruz y Corro
Hello Wikimedia HK!

Thank you very much for your kind words. These last few weeks have been
very hard and every single word of encouragement is valuable for us. On
behalf of the organizers and volunteers I thank you and everyone a warm hug!

We are working very hard to ensure everyone has a blast in Mexico City next
month. We hope to see you there!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

2015-06-27 Thread Risker
Ricordisamoa, I have no preference either way. I live in a geographically
enormous country (Canada), which has a national chapter - centered so far
away from me that I'll never be in a position to participate in person at a
regular meetup. In Canada's case, regional chapters might have been better,
and I wonder about other geographically large countries where this would
also be more workable.

Risker

On 28 June 2015 at 01:17, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote:

 I infer that you would have preferred a single US chapter from the start,
 wouldn't you?


 Il 28/06/2015 06:08, Risker ha scritto:

 Ironically, Ricordisamoa, the decision to not have a US chapter was made
 around 10 years ago at the strong urging of other chapters. The theory (as
 I understand it) was that the US was the home of the WMF itself, which in
 the view of the era, meant that the US didn't need the protections that
 came from a chapter; the WMF itself was perceived to speak for US
 Wikimedians. (Given the times, back when there were literally only enough
 employees to run the servers and sort of keep an eye on MediaWiki, this
 was
 perhaps an incorrect assessment.) Then US regions started to form
 chapters,
 first New York then DC; there are now a significant number of user groups.
 If there had been a US chapter formed back at that time, there would only
 be one US chapter; the rest would never be recognized at the chapter
 level.
 Instead, we now see the specter of what could come, since the US alone as
 a
 nation with a large number of Wikimedians does not have the opportunity
 for
 a single chapter:  given a little bit more organization, and the ambition
 to do the paperwork to become a chapter, the US could have as many (or
 more) chapters than exist in all of Europe in a few years.  One has to
 wonder if some other countries, especially those with a large number of
 Wikimedians or a massive geographic area, might wish they had gone with
 regional affiliates rather than a national one.

 Risker/Anne

 On 27 June 2015 at 23:26, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org
 wrote:

  I know the confederated approach may surely make more sense for the local
 communities, but I think an established regional subject would help
 uproot
 the Foundation from a single country it relies too much on.

 Il 28/06/2015 05:00, Pine W ha scritto:

  Hi Ricordisamoa,

 There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that
 are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US
 affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders
 communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits
 you
 think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked
 about
 this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a
 confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national
 affiliate.

 Thanks!

 Pine

 On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org
 mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote:

  The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia
  US chapter is founded ;-)

  Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto:

  Hi Garfield,

  I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians
  have noted
  the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high
  cost of
  living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent,
 and
  associated high salaries for WMF employees.

  I see on


 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
  that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its
  current main office
  lease expires.

  Questions:

  What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at
  its current
  location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated
  for the
  remodel by the building owner?

  I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San
  Francisco market
  area in order to economize, get better value for our donors'
  funds, have
  less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for
  staff. Is this
  being considered?

  Thanks very much,

  Pine
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[Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

2015-06-27 Thread Pine W
Hi Ricordisamoa,

There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that
are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US
affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders
communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you
think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about
this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a
confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate.

Thanks!

Pine
On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org
wrote:

 The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US
 chapter is founded ;-)

 Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto:

 Hi Garfield,

 I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have noted
 the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of
 living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
 associated high salaries for WMF employees.

 I see on

 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
 that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main
 office
 lease expires.

 Questions:

 What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its current
 location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the
 remodel by the building owner?

 I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market
 area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have
 less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is this
 being considered?

 Thanks very much,

 Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

2015-06-27 Thread Risker
Ironically, Ricordisamoa, the decision to not have a US chapter was made
around 10 years ago at the strong urging of other chapters. The theory (as
I understand it) was that the US was the home of the WMF itself, which in
the view of the era, meant that the US didn't need the protections that
came from a chapter; the WMF itself was perceived to speak for US
Wikimedians. (Given the times, back when there were literally only enough
employees to run the servers and sort of keep an eye on MediaWiki, this was
perhaps an incorrect assessment.) Then US regions started to form chapters,
first New York then DC; there are now a significant number of user groups.
If there had been a US chapter formed back at that time, there would only
be one US chapter; the rest would never be recognized at the chapter level.
Instead, we now see the specter of what could come, since the US alone as a
nation with a large number of Wikimedians does not have the opportunity for
a single chapter:  given a little bit more organization, and the ambition
to do the paperwork to become a chapter, the US could have as many (or
more) chapters than exist in all of Europe in a few years.  One has to
wonder if some other countries, especially those with a large number of
Wikimedians or a massive geographic area, might wish they had gone with
regional affiliates rather than a national one.

Risker/Anne

On 27 June 2015 at 23:26, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote:

 I know the confederated approach may surely make more sense for the local
 communities, but I think an established regional subject would help uproot
 the Foundation from a single country it relies too much on.

 Il 28/06/2015 05:00, Pine W ha scritto:


 Hi Ricordisamoa,

 There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that
 are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US
 affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders
 communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you
 think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about
 this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a
 confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate.

 Thanks!

 Pine

 On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org
 mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote:

 The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia
 US chapter is founded ;-)

 Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto:

 Hi Garfield,

 I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians
 have noted
 the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high
 cost of
 living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
 associated high salaries for WMF employees.

 I see on

 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
 that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its
 current main office
 lease expires.

 Questions:

 What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at
 its current
 location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated
 for the
 remodel by the building owner?

 I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San
 Francisco market
 area in order to economize, get better value for our donors'
 funds, have
 less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for
 staff. Is this
 being considered?

 Thanks very much,

 Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

2015-06-27 Thread Ricordisamoa
I know the confederated approach may surely make more sense for the 
local communities, but I think an established regional subject would 
help uproot the Foundation from a single country it relies too much on.


Il 28/06/2015 05:00, Pine W ha scritto:


Hi Ricordisamoa,

There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations 
that are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. 
The US affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate 
leaders communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what 
benefits you think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? 
We've talked about this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to 
be satisfied with a confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a 
single national affiliate.


Thanks!

Pine

On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org 
mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote:


The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia
US chapter is founded ;-)

Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto:

Hi Garfield,

I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians
have noted
the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high
cost of
living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
associated high salaries for WMF employees.

I see on

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its
current main office
lease expires.

Questions:

What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at
its current
location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated
for the
remodel by the building owner?

I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San
Francisco market
area in order to economize, get better value for our donors'
funds, have
less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for
staff. Is this
being considered?

Thanks very much,

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Pine W
Hi,

I appreciate people answering questions on weekends.

After reading this thread, it sounds like this is a well-intentioned
research project but there are opportunities for improvement. If someone
(maybe Leila and Michelle?) could compile a timeline, a list of the issues
raised in these email threads, a list of open questions about policies and
processes, and a list of opportunities for process improvement based on
discussion in these threads, then I think we can use this series of events
to make improvements and clarifications that will benefit future outreach
and research.

Thanks,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

2015-06-27 Thread Ricordisamoa
I infer that you would have preferred a single US chapter from the 
start, wouldn't you?


Il 28/06/2015 06:08, Risker ha scritto:

Ironically, Ricordisamoa, the decision to not have a US chapter was made
around 10 years ago at the strong urging of other chapters. The theory (as
I understand it) was that the US was the home of the WMF itself, which in
the view of the era, meant that the US didn't need the protections that
came from a chapter; the WMF itself was perceived to speak for US
Wikimedians. (Given the times, back when there were literally only enough
employees to run the servers and sort of keep an eye on MediaWiki, this was
perhaps an incorrect assessment.) Then US regions started to form chapters,
first New York then DC; there are now a significant number of user groups.
If there had been a US chapter formed back at that time, there would only
be one US chapter; the rest would never be recognized at the chapter level.
Instead, we now see the specter of what could come, since the US alone as a
nation with a large number of Wikimedians does not have the opportunity for
a single chapter:  given a little bit more organization, and the ambition
to do the paperwork to become a chapter, the US could have as many (or
more) chapters than exist in all of Europe in a few years.  One has to
wonder if some other countries, especially those with a large number of
Wikimedians or a massive geographic area, might wish they had gone with
regional affiliates rather than a national one.

Risker/Anne

On 27 June 2015 at 23:26, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote:


I know the confederated approach may surely make more sense for the local
communities, but I think an established regional subject would help uproot
the Foundation from a single country it relies too much on.

Il 28/06/2015 05:00, Pine W ha scritto:


Hi Ricordisamoa,

There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that
are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US
affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders
communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you
think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about
this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a
confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate.

Thanks!

Pine

On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org
mailto:ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote:

 The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia
 US chapter is founded ;-)

 Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto:

 Hi Garfield,

 I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians
 have noted
 the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high
 cost of
 living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
 associated high salaries for WMF employees.

 I see on

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
 that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its
 current main office
 lease expires.

 Questions:

 What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at
 its current
 location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated
 for the
 remodel by the building owner?

 I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San
 Francisco market
 area in order to economize, get better value for our donors'
 funds, have
 less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for
 staff. Is this
 being considered?

 Thanks very much,

 Pine
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