Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Patrick Earley]

Well done fellows!

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Tanweer Morshed 
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> Great news! Congratulations to Iranian UG :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Tanweer Morshed]

Great news! Congratulations to Iranian UG :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 136, Issue 44

[Mardetanha]

thank you guys :)
hopefully our user group would one of the most active user groups, we have
already plan our next steps,
Mardetanha

Mardetanha

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>1. Re: Innovation (Gerard Meijssen)
>2. Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Carlos M. Colina)
>3. Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Sydney Poore)
>4. Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Asaf Bartov)
>5. Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus (Carlos M. Colina)
>6. Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Tito Dutta)
>7. Re: Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG (Edward Galvez)
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Gerard Meijssen 
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 17:38:30 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Innovation
> Hoi,
> Collecting hundred ideas is indeed easy.  I am sure that when I look back
> in my 3000+ blog posts[1]  I will find hundreds of ideas easily. It is not
> the numbers that important, it is about the relevance of the ideas, some of
> mine are more relevant and others less so.
>
> Arguments that are relevant are:
>
>- technical difficulty
>- impact on our community
>- impact on the amount of work it generates
>- impact on the ability to write new articles
>- impact on the ability to involve new editors
>- ability to generate meaningful statistics
>
> The idea I proposed in this thread is likely to score really high except on
> the first argument.
>
> Would you for argument's sake walk through this idea with me and see your
> process in action. The purpose would be to shine some light in the black
> box. A fringe benefit could be to get a ball rolling.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/
>
> On 14 July 2015 at 21:44, Luis Villa  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > Luis I like what I read. What you can do to make it even more pleasing
> is
> > > establish better how this will benefit projects other than Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > For instance I blogged abut "red link" functionality that will easily
> > > enhance the quality of links and red links in most project including
> > > Wikipedia because it allows for providing information where there is
> none
> > > yet to bothnot readers and editors AND maintains the functionality as
> if
> > > nothing has changed.
> > >
> > > I have no idea if the WMF would consider such an idea. My impression is
> > > that the WMF and its agenda is very much a black box. When you explain
> > how
> > > an idea like this might get attention, it is less theoretical and it
> > > explains me and others if innovation in the WMF has a place and what
> that
> > > place is.
> > >
> >
> > Hi, Gerard-
> >
> > Thanks for asking. I think calling us a "black box" on code/ideas from
> > outside WMF is pretty fair, though we're working on it.
> >
> > *tl;dr:* this is and will always be hard; I'd love to hear thoughts or
> > examples on how we can do it better.
> >
> > Note that I have not formally shared this thinking with
> > product/engineering, so none of this is a promise to do any specific
> thing
> > mentioned below. I share it to show, in good faith, that we're thinking
> > hard about the problem and what to do about it, and to make clear why it
> > isn't easy to solve.
> >
> > *Ideas*
> > We can easily collect thousands of ideas. (For example, just one person
> > already had a list of 200+ sorted/filed bugs ready when we announced
> > community tech.) Sorting, prioritizing, and implementing them takes work
> > (which
> > non-programmers sometimes underestimate ;) . Some
> > things we'd need in order to handle incoming ideas well:
> >
> >- *Overall process/timeline* for product development, so that people
> >know who to talk to when and through what channels. CE is working with
> >product/engineering on this, but it will always be ongoing - there
> > won't be
> >one "final" process, since we'll learn and adjust as we go.
> >- *Clear priorities* - if you have 1,000 ideas, you have to have
> >priorities so that you can sort through them, and decide "we'll do
> this
> > one
> >first because..." This is hard - there are still some people who
> > respond to
> >VE by disagreeing that we should be trying to get more new editors!
> >- 

[Wikimedia-l] Slides from Lila's presentation at Wikimania

[Pine W]

Courtesy of WMF Comms:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2015_presentation_by_Lila_Tretikov.pdf

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Gerard Meijssen]

Wow,
well deserved !!
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 18 July 2015 at 23:04, Katherine Maher  wrote:

> So great! Congratulations!
>
> mobile.
> On Jul 18, 2015 3:29 PM, "Edward Galvez"  wrote:
>
> > Congrats!
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Tito Dutta  wrote:
> >
> > > Congrats and wishes.
> > >
> > > On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Congratulations and much success!
> > > >
> > > >A.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <
> > > ma...@wikimedia.org.ve>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
> > > > family
> > > > > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among
> > their
> > > > > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
> > > > education
> > > > > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister
> > > > projects;
> > > > > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo
> > > trips
> > > > > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome!!
> > > > >
> > > > > 1:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
> > > > > --
> > > > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
> > > wayuukanairua
> > > > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> > > junain."
> > > > > Carlos M. Colina
> > > > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> > > > www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > > > > 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Katherine Maher]

So great! Congratulations!

mobile.
On Jul 18, 2015 3:29 PM, "Edward Galvez"  wrote:

> Congrats!
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Tito Dutta  wrote:
>
> > Congrats and wishes.
> >
> > On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations and much success!
> > >
> > >A.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <
> > ma...@wikimedia.org.ve>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
> > > family
> > > > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among
> their
> > > > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
> > > education
> > > > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work
> and
> > > the
> > > > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister
> > > projects;
> > > > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo
> > trips
> > > > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
> > > >
> > > > Welcome!!
> > > >
> > > > 1:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
> > > > --
> > > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
> > wayuukanairua
> > > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> > junain."
> > > > Carlos M. Colina
> > > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> > > www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > > > 
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[Wikimedia-l] MediaWiki User Survey

[Chris Koerner]

Greetings,

In an effort to answer the question, “Who is using MediaWiki?” the MediaWiki
Stakeholder’s Group
 organized
a survey.

We want to hear from existing MediaWiki users and ask that you complete
this short survey about your use of MediaWiki. The results of the survey
will help by providing input that should influence the future development
of MediaWiki. We also hope to grow the community of MediaWiki Users and
improve involvement.

The preliminary results of this survey was anonymized shared with the
public at the MediaWiki Stakeholder's session at Wikimania 2015

and
will be posted to MediaWiki.org at a later date
. An anonymized
data set will be available for download as well. This survey is separated
into two parts and should take about 10 minutes to complete.

To include as many MediaWiki users as possible, please help us spread this
survey far and wide. The survey will close on *Friday, July 31st*.

*Start the MediaWiki User Survey *

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Sincerely,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus

[Asaf Bartov]

Congratulations, Belarusian colleagues!

   A.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Carlos M. Colina 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> It is an honour and a pleasure to announce on behalf of the Affiliations
> Committee the recognition [1] of the newest Wikimedia User Group: Wikimedia
> Community User Group Belarus. Among their objectives are to represent both
> Belarusian Wikipedias (classical and academic) in international relations;
> to widen media presence and public awareness about Belarusian Wikipedias'
> community activities; and to make collaborative projects with other
> interest groups, social initiatives, NGOs and local communities in Belarus
> and abroad.
>
> Please join us in welcoming a new member of the family! :-)
>
>
> 1:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Belarus_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Edward Galvez]

Congrats!

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Tito Dutta  wrote:

> Congrats and wishes.
>
> On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>
> > Congratulations and much success!
> >
> >A.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina <
> ma...@wikimedia.org.ve>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
> > family
> > > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their
> > > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
> > education
> > > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and
> > the
> > > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister
> > projects;
> > > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo
> trips
> > > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
> > >
> > > Welcome!!
> > >
> > > 1:
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
> > > --
> > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
> wayuukanairua
> > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> junain."
> > > Carlos M. Colina
> > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> > www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > > 
> > > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Tito Dutta]

Congrats and wishes.

On 19 July 2015 at 01:50, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Congratulations and much success!
>
>A.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the
> family
> > of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their
> > main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in
> education
> > (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and
> the
> > use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister
> projects;
> > edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips
> > and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
> >
> > Welcome!!
> >
> > 1:
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
> > --
> > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> > Carlos M. Colina
> > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > 
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[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community UG Belarus

[Carlos M. Colina]

Dear all,

It is an honour and a pleasure to announce on behalf of the Affiliations 
Committee the recognition [1] of the newest Wikimedia User Group: 
Wikimedia Community User Group Belarus. Among their objectives are to 
represent both Belarusian Wikipedias (classical and academic) in 
international relations; to widen media presence and public awareness 
about Belarusian Wikipedias' community activities; and to make 
collaborative projects with other interest groups, social initiatives, 
NGOs and local communities in Belarus and abroad.


Please join us in welcoming a new member of the family! :-)


1: 
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Carlos M. Colina
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Asaf Bartov]

Congratulations and much success!

   A.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Carlos M. Colina 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the family
> of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their
> main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in education
> (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and the
> use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister projects;
> edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips
> and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
>
> Welcome!!
>
> 1:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
> --
> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> Carlos M. Colina
> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Sydney Poore]

Excellent news!
Sydney
On Jul 18, 2015 3:10 PM, "Carlos M. Colina"  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the family
> of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among their
> main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in education
> (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach work and the
> use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its sister projects;
> edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural events, photo trips
> and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload images to Commons.
>
> Welcome!!
>
> 1:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015
> --
> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> Carlos M. Colina
> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve
> 
> Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> Phone: +972-52-4869915
> Twitter: @maor_x
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[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Iranian Wikimedians UG

[Carlos M. Colina]

Dear all,

I'm pleased to announcce the recognition [1] of a new member of the 
family of Wikimedia affilates, the Iranian Wikimedians User Group. Among 
their main interests are encouraging the use of Wikimedia resources in 
education (at cultural centres, associations and Universities), outreach 
work and the use of social media to tell people about Wikipedia and its 
sister projects; edit-a-thons and participation in different cultural 
events, photo trips and upload-a-thons to teach users how to upload 
images to Commons.


Welcome!!

1: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_July_2015

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junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."

Carlos M. Colina
Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | 
www.wikimedia.org.ve 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Innovation

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Collecting hundred ideas is indeed easy.  I am sure that when I look back
in my 3000+ blog posts[1]  I will find hundreds of ideas easily. It is not
the numbers that important, it is about the relevance of the ideas, some of
mine are more relevant and others less so.

Arguments that are relevant are:

   - technical difficulty
   - impact on our community
   - impact on the amount of work it generates
   - impact on the ability to write new articles
   - impact on the ability to involve new editors
   - ability to generate meaningful statistics

The idea I proposed in this thread is likely to score really high except on
the first argument.

Would you for argument's sake walk through this idea with me and see your
process in action. The purpose would be to shine some light in the black
box. A fringe benefit could be to get a ball rolling.
Thanks,
  GerardM

[1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/

On 14 July 2015 at 21:44, Luis Villa  wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Luis I like what I read. What you can do to make it even more pleasing is
> > establish better how this will benefit projects other than Wikipedia.
> >
> > For instance I blogged abut "red link" functionality that will easily
> > enhance the quality of links and red links in most project including
> > Wikipedia because it allows for providing information where there is none
> > yet to bothnot readers and editors AND maintains the functionality as if
> > nothing has changed.
> >
> > I have no idea if the WMF would consider such an idea. My impression is
> > that the WMF and its agenda is very much a black box. When you explain
> how
> > an idea like this might get attention, it is less theoretical and it
> > explains me and others if innovation in the WMF has a place and what that
> > place is.
> >
>
> Hi, Gerard-
>
> Thanks for asking. I think calling us a "black box" on code/ideas from
> outside WMF is pretty fair, though we're working on it.
>
> *tl;dr:* this is and will always be hard; I'd love to hear thoughts or
> examples on how we can do it better.
>
> Note that I have not formally shared this thinking with
> product/engineering, so none of this is a promise to do any specific thing
> mentioned below. I share it to show, in good faith, that we're thinking
> hard about the problem and what to do about it, and to make clear why it
> isn't easy to solve.
>
> *Ideas*
> We can easily collect thousands of ideas. (For example, just one person
> already had a list of 200+ sorted/filed bugs ready when we announced
> community tech.) Sorting, prioritizing, and implementing them takes work
> (which
> non-programmers sometimes underestimate ;) . Some
> things we'd need in order to handle incoming ideas well:
>
>- *Overall process/timeline* for product development, so that people
>know who to talk to when and through what channels. CE is working with
>product/engineering on this, but it will always be ongoing - there
> won't be
>one "final" process, since we'll learn and adjust as we go.
>- *Clear priorities* - if you have 1,000 ideas, you have to have
>priorities so that you can sort through them, and decide "we'll do this
> one
>first because..." This is hard - there are still some people who
> respond to
>VE by disagreeing that we should be trying to get more new editors!
>- *A friendly space
>
> understanding*
>- people often get emotional/angry when you tell them their idea is not
> a
>high priority, or hard to understand, etc. Dealing with that once is
> easy;
>dealing with it repeatedly over months or years is literally
> threatening to
>mental health.
>- *Bodies:* Reading and processing incoming ideas can take a *ton* of
>time from the people involved. Andre helps with this somewhat in his
> role
>as bugmaster, but we're asking a lot from product and engineering
> already,
>so there is tension between "fix core platform issues" and "innovate
> within
>WMF" and "listen carefully to community innovation" - there are just a
>limited number of hours in the day.
>
> We've always done parts of this informally (ideas come in through
> phabricator; I read your blog post when it was first posted via planet;
> etc.) but we need to make it more formal if we want to seriously scale it.
> We're in the *extremely* initial brainstorming phases of some of this right
> now, which Lila referred to in her email.
>
> *Code*
> Innovative *code *should be easier to deal with than ideas, because writing
> code is hard so there is less code than ideas. But you still have to be
> able to deal with:
>
>- *Usability:* the innovative idea might be generally great, but has it
>had evaluative design research
>?
> A/B
>testing of key concep