Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
From my perspective, this strikes me as part of the reason why national organisations are well suited to running the Wikimedia fundraising campaigns rather than a global organisation: if WMIT was organising both WLM and the national fundraising campaign, then this conflict wouldn't have arisen / could have been resolved locally. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
I know the Italian Chapter, the online fundraising team, and community liaisons have been talking about solutions for a while and I won’t get in the way of that, but I thought I would offer a few ideas on some of the online organizing tactics being discussed here. This probably falls in the category of unsolicited advice and it might be bad advice at that. To quote a good song, “It’s bad advice only if you use it.” On the topic of limiting impressions, I agree that the fundraising use case is different than WLM organizing. I am still fairly sure that there has to something more effective than running a full-time banner for a month. It would take testing a bunch of ideas to figure that out and Central Notice has much more capacity now to test different things. We are happy to help brainstorm ideas for that if anyone wanted. I understand that WLM’s has a common organizing challenge in that it’s a couple step process for participation. Would it make sense to prioritize a “Sign up” or “Enter the Contest” feature on the landing pages that asks people to submit their email addresses, so that you can followup with them? I mention this because online fundraising has experimented with a “Remind me later” feature on mobile where we have people enter their email addresses, so that we can send them a followup fundraising email. It has had some good results. It seems like having email addresses for followup would help keep people engaged in WLM and you could also reach out to them next year. Lastly, we could add an appeal to participate in WLM to the thank you email we send to donors in Italy. We would be happy to do it, if it’s useful. Best regards, Lisa On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: This is not the first time this conflict appears, but this is the worst outcome ever so far. In all the years I have been asking for an explanation why it is not possible to move it, or why it is urgently to do it in September, nothing reasonable has been provided for that. Nothing in all those years. If a fundraising banner has a big negative influence on a project, I think it is time to have the community involved and have them speak out what they think about the situation. As FR only speaks to a few people, they seem to have the impression that they can freely decide without taking the community in account. I think it will be time to have the community speak out what they think in a request for comment/voting or something on Meta. Anyone an idea or the experience how to set such up? Romaine 2015-08-20 13:26 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com: Which is Fundraising's point? I haven't seen anything here about why WMF so urgently needs to request Italian donations in September. Am 20.08.2015 07:27 schrieb Risker risker...@gmail.com: I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, but I also see Fundraising's point. I wonder if there are not some other options that could be considered. For example, instead of a banner, perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says Upload images for Wiki Loves Monuments here! may be technically feasible. It's not quite the equivalent of a banner, but it does address the wayfinding issue at least. (I think that's possibly the biggest downside of not having the WLM banners in rotation.) Let's give ourselves permission to think outside the box a bit here; both of these activities are valuable and important to our movement, each of them have different but viable reasons for wanting to proceed during that specific period. There are a lot of smart people reading this mailing list. I'd like to think between the several-hundred of us we might be able to come up with a solution that works to accommodate both groups. Risker/Anne On 20 August 2015 at 01:19, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Andrew is right. Navigation is a very important focus point of organising every Wiki Loves Monuments. The complexity of the navigation is that MediaWiki and the whole group of Wikimedia wikis is not designed for navigation, but designed for showing content. In the past eight years small improvements have been made in this field, but in general speaking it is still not easy to navigate for the majority of the people. Romaine 2015-08-19 20:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: I think Andrew is right: the WLM banner serves as a pointer, and it's very easy to remember go on Wikipedia and click into the banner on the top. It's much more difficult to remember the strange name of the contest (in Italy it's still called Wiki Loves Monuments, even if it's English). And of course we do not have good analytics for the banner: nobody knows homw many page views there are in a single wiki per day, so
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Il giorno gio, 20/08/2015 alle 01.26 -0400, Risker ha scritto: [...] perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says Upload images for Wiki Loves Monuments here! may be technically feasible. This might be a way to mitigate the problem, although I'm not sure whether it's technically feasible. Il giorno gio, 20/08/2015 alle 07.41 +0200, Ricordisamoa ha scritto: Any reasons the WLM 'banner' can't become a Main Page panel like the ones on Commons? This could be another one. Il giorno mar, 18/08/2015 alle 23.39 +0200, Ilario Valdelli ha scritto: Yes it can be possible without touching the fundraising's banner. The banner can be put in the Mediawiki:sitenotice in each project and can cohabitate with the fundraising's banner. The real problem is that a small banner can have only a limited effect. And this one too (although I'm not a fan of this). None of these will solve the problem, but I think they are worth of consideration for it.wikipedia's community. Lorenzo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Given the huge amount of work, the liability and legislative issues and problems with transferring funds across international borders, I'm not persuaded; having dozens of paid fundraising teams is not cost-effective by any stretch of the imagination. The process was stopped because it was costing more money to raise funds that way, and as a movement it's very, very difficult to justify the international level of fundraising in a way that results in much higher costs. Having said that, the Wikimedia movement calendar is becoming increasingly complex. It is inevitable that there are going to be conflicts between major local initiatives and major international-level initiatives; these don't always involve fundraising, although they're probably the most common group affected. I think we really need to get better at scheduling events and creating a solid movement-wide calendar that identifies major activities, particularly those that rely significantly on site advertising/banners/messaging for their success. The further in advance a potential conflict is identified, the more likely that good and effective solutions to those conflicts can be put into place. It would be really helpful, for example, if the Fundraising calendar was published a year in advance; chapters and other groups would probably find that really useful in planning major local activities. I this specific case, there's not much time left, and so it is time to look for ways to lessen the impact of the scheduling conflict. Risker/Anne On 21 August 2015 at 16:22, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: From my perspective, this strikes me as part of the reason why national organisations are well suited to running the Wikimedia fundraising campaigns rather than a global organisation: if WMIT was organising both WLM and the national fundraising campaign, then this conflict wouldn't have arisen / could have been resolved locally. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Il giorno mer, 19/08/2015 alle 11.39 +0200, Claudia Garád ha scritto: The worst part was to explain our long-standing and important partner the Federal Monuments Office that we can't have the banner time at cruical dates in September (especially the days leading up to our events around the national monuments day in Austria), at a time when all the information material with dates etc. was already printed and distributed. Yes, this will be an issue for WMI too. And WLM Italy has a lot of partners. Laurentius ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
On 20 August 2015 at 06:26, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, but I also see Fundraising's point. I wonder if there are not some other options that could be considered. For example, instead of a banner, perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says Upload images for Wiki Loves Monuments here! may be technically feasible. It's not quite the equivalent of a banner, but it does address the wayfinding issue at least. (I think that's possibly the biggest downside of not having the WLM banners in rotation.) I can see this working, to a degree. I think it would be quite valuable serving the role of wayfinding for a returning contributor looking for it - but I'm not sure it could effectively replace the banner as a first port of call way to attract attention. Still, nothing ventured! Some projects have restyled the globe logo for special occasions - that might be another approach to consider. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] GA Stats using Wikimedia Stats
Wikidata should know whether an article has a badge or not (see here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1156 ) On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:14 AM Tito Dutta trulyt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot. It was very helpful No, most of these Wikipedias don't have such categories. I'll check further. Regards. On 19 August 2015 at 16:40, Erik Zachte ezac...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Tito, Wikistats can collect pageviews for a certain category and its subcategories. In English Wikipedia I just ran the script for categories WikiProject_Featured_articles and WikiProject_Good_articles Featured articles, 1 pageviews 2 categories included 1 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/pageviews_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Featured_articles_2015-06.html 2 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/categories_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Featured_articles_2015-06.html Good articles, 1 pageviews 2 categories included 1 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/pageviews_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Good_articles_2015-06.html 2 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/categories_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Good_articles_2015-06.html I you have similar categories for the Indian languages I can try to parse those as well (I say 'try' as I vaguely remember an open bug with non western letters in category name not being parsed well, I might need to look into that) Cheers, Erik -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Bartov Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:39 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] GA Stats using Wikimedia Stats No. That site does not provide that data. A. On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Tito Dutta trulyt...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Is there any way to find Good article stats/details (of mainly Indian Language Wikis) using http://stats.wikimedia.org/? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
I think you describe the essence of the problem: there is a big gap between the community and the Wikimedia Foundation. I have a long list of problems from the past years that all seem to originate in this basic problem. The Wikimedia Foundation is too much de-attached from the community. At the same time I notice that since last year, Lila is trying to improve this situation, but there is a very very long way to go to move the Wikimedia Foundation away from the dark side of the moon. (To prevent generalisation: I know also a lot of staff in WMF that are closely involved in the community and doing a great job in being attached with the community.) Romaine 2015-08-21 22:22 GMT+02:00 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: From my perspective, this strikes me as part of the reason why national organisations are well suited to running the Wikimedia fundraising campaigns rather than a global organisation: if WMIT was organising both WLM and the national fundraising campaign, then this conflict wouldn't have arisen / could have been resolved locally. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
If the fundraising banner was planned in November to be shown in Italy, the problem would have been the same. Only the time could have a positive impact. Also then something has been missed: Wiki Loves Monuments is a sticky project in September, already for years, as it is attached to a world wide event of heritage days. The fundraising team should have known that this project is organised and that organising banners for fundraising in September is a big risk. Still this issue keeps coming up. I find it unbelievable that after all these years of organising, WMF FR is still not capable of acting with understanding. I call such bad planning, and naming it such is an understatement. Romaine 2015-08-21 22:42 GMT+02:00 Risker risker...@gmail.com: Given the huge amount of work, the liability and legislative issues and problems with transferring funds across international borders, I'm not persuaded; having dozens of paid fundraising teams is not cost-effective by any stretch of the imagination. The process was stopped because it was costing more money to raise funds that way, and as a movement it's very, very difficult to justify the international level of fundraising in a way that results in much higher costs. Having said that, the Wikimedia movement calendar is becoming increasingly complex. It is inevitable that there are going to be conflicts between major local initiatives and major international-level initiatives; these don't always involve fundraising, although they're probably the most common group affected. I think we really need to get better at scheduling events and creating a solid movement-wide calendar that identifies major activities, particularly those that rely significantly on site advertising/banners/messaging for their success. The further in advance a potential conflict is identified, the more likely that good and effective solutions to those conflicts can be put into place. It would be really helpful, for example, if the Fundraising calendar was published a year in advance; chapters and other groups would probably find that really useful in planning major local activities. I this specific case, there's not much time left, and so it is time to look for ways to lessen the impact of the scheduling conflict. Risker/Anne On 21 August 2015 at 16:22, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: From my perspective, this strikes me as part of the reason why national organisations are well suited to running the Wikimedia fundraising campaigns rather than a global organisation: if WMIT was organising both WLM and the national fundraising campaign, then this conflict wouldn't have arisen / could have been resolved locally. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
