Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement

2015-09-01 Thread Tito Dutta
I am really very sad to see you go.
Most probably we first talked on 10 November 2012 when i sent my
identification details to WMF and you attended.
And later when I contacted you twice or thrice on on-Wiki harassement (IAC,
legal threats etc.) I know we did not agree to some topics (ODoB, Indian
emblem remix work's copyright status etc), but *I was really amazed *to see
your hard work and dedication.
Thanks a ton for your contribution. You are an inspiration for us. Stay
well. Like Kevin, I also hope that "our paths will cross again'.
Regards.
User:Titodutta

On 1 September 2015 at 07:59, Michael Snow  wrote:

> On 8/31/2015 12:06 PM, Luis Villa wrote:
>
>> While Philippe will be impossible to completely replace, I am excited to
>> share that Maggie Dennis [[User:Mdennis (WMF)]] has been promoted to
>> Director of Community Advocacy, effective immediately. I expect Maggie’s
>> amazing combination of energy, patience, and organization will make her a
>> great leader for the team, and that the team will continue to be a solid
>> source of support and communication with contributors.
>>
> There are few things that could more perfectly illustrate what Philippe
> means to the movement than asking Maggie to fill his position. Both are
> among the finest people I have had the chance to observe, work with, and
> learn from in their many years of involvement with Wikimedia. Each of them
> has seemed to me almost ubiquitous at times; and while I know the potential
> to spread oneself a little thin in doing so, they both have an unfailingly
> supportive presence and a tremendously deep understanding of our values. I
> offer them each my best wishes in their respective futures, both where this
> touches Wikimedia and where it does not.
>
> --Michael Snow
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[Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

2015-09-01 Thread MZMcBride
Forwarding this to wikimedia-l as it doesn't seem to be very technical in
nature, but definitely seems worthy of discussion.

MZMcBride


Danny Horn wrote:
>For a while now, the Collaboration team has been working on Flow, the
>structured discussion system. I want to let you know about some changes in
>that long-term plan.
>
>While initial announcements about Flow said that it would be a universal
>replacement for talk pages, the features that were ultimately built into
>Flow were specifically forum-style group discussion tools. But article and
>project talk pages are used for a number of important and complex
>processes that those tools aren't able to handle, making Flow unsuitable
>for deployment on those kinds of pages.
>
>To better address the needs of our core contributors, we're now focusing
>our strategy on the curation, collaboration, and admin processes that take
>place on a variety of pages. Many of these processes use complex
>workarounds -- templates, categories, transclusions, and lots of
>instructions -- that turn blank wikitext talk pages into structured
>workflows. There are gadgets and user scripts on the larger wikis to help
>with some of these workflows, but these tools aren't standardized or
>universally available.
>
>As these workflows grow in complexity, they become more difficult for the
>next generation of editors to learn and use. This has increased the
>workload on the people who maintain those systems today. Complex workflows
>are also difficult to adapt to other languages, because a wiki with
>thousands of articles may not need the kind of complexity that comes with
>managing a wiki with millions of articles. We've talked about this kind of
>structured workflow support at Wikimania, in user research sessions, and
>on wikis. It's an important area that needs a lot of discussion,
>exploration, and work.
>
>Starting in October, Flow will not be in active development, as we shift
>the team's focus to these other priorities. We'll be helping core
>contributors reduce the stress of an ever-growing workload, and helping
>the next generation of contributors participate in those processes.
>Further development on these projects will be driven by the needs
>expressed by wiki communities.
>
>Flow will be maintained and supported, and communities that are excited
>about Flow discussions will be able to use it. There are places where the
>discussion features are working well, with communities that are
>enthusiastic about them: on user talk pages, help pages, and forum/village
>pump-style discussion spaces. By the end of September, we'll have an
>opt-in Beta feature available to communities that want it, allowing users
>to enable Flow on their own user talk pages.
>
>I'm sure people will want to know more about these projects, and we're
>looking forward to those conversations. We'll be reaching out for lots of
>input and feedback over the coming months.
>
>Danny Horn
>Collaboration team, PM



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

2015-09-01 Thread Kerry Raymond
Will the Visual Editor be enabled on Talk Pages then for use of the Visual 
Editor user? Flow had been heralded as the solution for those not able to 
contribute in wikitext but if that option is off the table, what is the 
solution for the VE-only user?

Kerry


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Danny Horn wrote:
>To better address the needs of our core contributors, we're now 
>focusing our strategy on the curation, collaboration, and admin 
>processes that take place on a variety of pages. Many of these 
>processes use complex workarounds -- templates, categories, 
>transclusions, and lots of instructions -- that turn blank wikitext 
>talk pages into structured workflows. There are gadgets and user 
>scripts on the larger wikis to help with some of these workflows, but 
>these tools aren't standardized or universally available.

I absolutely agree that existing wiki workflows need love. I think anyone who 
has looked at various wiki request for deletion processes, for example, easily 
sees and understands the need for a better system.

What I'm struggling with here is that Flow seems to have failed to deliver. It 
hasn't met its goals of covering even basic talk pages and it sounds as though 
further development work on Flow will now be suspended.

From my perspective, after over two years of development, we've basically 
accomplished creating pages such as "Topic:P0q3m7vwysdezd2m" (I wish I were 
kidding, that's an actual page title) on development wikis such as 
mediawiki.org. This is a pretty bleak outcome, in my opinion.

Given the failure in addressing basic talk pages, why would anyone trust the 
Collaboration team to work on and improve more complex workflows? I don't see a 
track record of success or, alternately, a good explanation for why the 
previous work has failed and what will be better next time.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia rocked by 'rogue editors' blackmail scam targeting small businesses and celebrities"

2015-09-01 Thread Richard Ames
This is covered in depth at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Orangemoody

Good job to wikimedians and the WMF!

Regards, Richard.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Matt Campbell  wrote:

> ICYMI...
>
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wikipedia-rocked-by-rogue-editors-blackmail-scam-targeting-small-businesses-and-celebrities-10481993.html
>
> Guess no organization can be completely safe vs. a few bad actors
> exploiting their positions of trust in it.  But with so many people acting
> as voluntary editors, it's hard to see how the WF can protect itself from
> exposure when stuff like this happens.  I mean, some of the victims are
> sure to sue the WF, since where there's money and a criminal offense,
> there's usually lawsuits.  But worse than that is the black eye it gives
> the WF.
>
> No winners in this mess.  Sad day all around.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

2015-09-01 Thread MZMcBride
Danny Horn wrote:
>To better address the needs of our core contributors, we're now focusing
>our strategy on the curation, collaboration, and admin processes that
>take place on a variety of pages. Many of these processes use complex
>workarounds -- templates, categories, transclusions, and lots of
>instructions -- that turn blank wikitext talk pages into structured
>workflows. There are gadgets and user scripts on the larger wikis to help
>with some of these workflows, but these tools aren't standardized or
>universally available.

I absolutely agree that existing wiki workflows need love. I think anyone
who has looked at various wiki request for deletion processes, for
example, easily sees and understands the need for a better system.

What I'm struggling with here is that Flow seems to have failed to
deliver. It hasn't met its goals of covering even basic talk pages and it
sounds as though further development work on Flow will now be suspended.

From my perspective, after over two years of development, we've basically
accomplished creating pages such as "Topic:P0q3m7vwysdezd2m" (I wish I
were kidding, that's an actual page title) on development wikis such as
mediawiki.org. This is a pretty bleak outcome, in my opinion.

Given the failure in addressing basic talk pages, why would anyone trust
the Collaboration team to work on and improve more complex workflows? I
don't see a track record of success or, alternately, a good explanation
for why the previous work has failed and what will be better next time.

MZMcBride



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[Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia rocked by 'rogue editors' blackmail scam targeting small businesses and celebrities"

2015-09-01 Thread Matt Campbell
ICYMI...
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wikipedia-rocked-by-rogue-editors-blackmail-scam-targeting-small-businesses-and-celebrities-10481993.html
 
Guess no organization can be completely safe vs. a few bad actors exploiting 
their positions of trust in it.  But with so many people acting as voluntary 
editors, it's hard to see how the WF can protect itself from exposure when 
stuff like this happens.  I mean, some of the victims are sure to sue the WF, 
since where there's money and a criminal offense, there's usually lawsuits.  
But worse than that is the black eye it gives the WF.
 
No winners in this mess.  Sad day all around.
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

2015-09-01 Thread Nathan
I don't know how Wikimedia engineering tracks project resource usage - is
there a number out there for the total cost to the WMF associated with the
Flow project? At a basic minimum, the number of developer and other hours
dedicated to Flow (including fully dedicated contractors)? Is it likely
that this is the most expensive unsuccessful engineering effort since the
WMF was founded?
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[Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia rocked by 'rogue editors' blackmail scam targeting small businesses and celebrities"

2015-09-01 Thread James Heilman
We have a number of discussions ongoing with respect to what measures we
should take to address the issue of promotional paid editing generally and
to prevent this from happening again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse.2FOrangemoody

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Doc_James/Paid_editing

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My emails; however, do not represent the official position of the WMF
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement

2015-09-01 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Philippe,

sorry to see you go. I hope you recover soon, and good luck on your future
endeavours!

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:01:26 -0700
Philippe Beaudette  wrote:

> Dear friends,
> 
> Six years is a long time.  Over the last six years, I've been privileged to
> be a part of so many things with you.  And I'm proud of what we've done
> together.  For the last six years, I've been a part of things that will
> excite me until the day that I die - the things that, together, we did in
> service of that phrase - "the sum of human knowledge" - were magical.  I'll
> never forget them, and I've been honored to be a part of this movement.
> 
> But it's time for me to move on.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement

2015-09-01 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
so sorry to see you go :-(. I hope you recover soon!

> From: phili...@wikimedia.org
> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 12:01:26 -0700
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> Six years is a long time.  Over the last six years, I've been privileged to
> be a part of so many things with you.  And I'm proud of what we've done
> together.  For the last six years, I've been a part of things that will
> excite me until the day that I die - the things that, together, we did in
> service of that phrase - "the sum of human knowledge" - were magical.  I'll
> never forget them, and I've been honored to be a part of this movement.
> 
> But it's time for me to move on.
> 
> As many of you know, for the last couple of years, I've struggled with my
> health.  I've come to the unpleasant realization that for my own good, I
> need to step back and focus on healing, and then look around for new and
> exciting opportunities.
> 
> When Sue left, she said that her decision process included looking around
> and taking stock of the people and the condition of the Foundation, and
> asking herself "Is it safe? If I leave, is it safe?" and when she knew it
> was, she began to consider the idea.
> 
> I've been doing the same, obviously focused on projects and programs that
> are important to me.  And I look around and I know that with the
> contributors that we have - brilliant, dedicated, passionate people and
> the staff that we have - dynamic, talented, devoted, and fearless it's
> safe.  So it's time for me to move on, and to leave it to them.
> 
> As a housekeeping note:  I've agreed with Luis that I'll be available until
> 9/15, though I'll be out on medical leave, so may be slow to answer
> questions.  If I owe you something, please remind me so that we can get it
> properly assigned out.
> 
> You can all reach out to me at any time... phili...@beaudette.me and
> any time I see you will be a celebration.
> 
> With my deepest affection,
> 
> Philippe
> 
> *Philippe Beaudette * \\  Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
> Foundation, Inc.
> T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 |  phili...@wikimedia.org  |  :  @Philippewiki
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

2015-09-01 Thread Pine W
Finance perspective here. My understanding is that Lila slowed the
development of Flow awhile back. If Flow was turning out to be a resource
intensive project with marginal benefits, then ending its development is
likely to be a good management decision. A retrospective on Flow's
development and end might be an interesting read, but we can be thankful
that its ending was a staged shutdown rather than another VE-style
explosion.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement

2015-09-01 Thread Katie Chan
Thank you for all the great work you've done over the years. I hope your 
health improves quickly and fully, and I will see you around on wiki 
with us blocking the wrong people, protecting the wrong version, and 
editing the wrong articles together.


KTC

On 31/08/2015 20:01, Philippe Beaudette wrote:

Dear friends,

Six years is a long time.  Over the last six years, I've been privileged to
be a part of so many things with you.  And I'm proud of what we've done
together.  For the last six years, I've been a part of things that will
excite me until the day that I die - the things that, together, we did in
service of that phrase - "the sum of human knowledge" - were magical.  I'll
never forget them, and I've been honored to be a part of this movement.

But it's time for me to move on.

As many of you know, for the last couple of years, I've struggled with my
health.  I've come to the unpleasant realization that for my own good, I
need to step back and focus on healing, and then look around for new and
exciting opportunities.

When Sue left, she said that her decision process included looking around
and taking stock of the people and the condition of the Foundation, and
asking herself "Is it safe? If I leave, is it safe?" and when she knew it
was, she began to consider the idea.

I've been doing the same, obviously focused on projects and programs that
are important to me.  And I look around and I know that with the
contributors that we have - brilliant, dedicated, passionate people and
the staff that we have - dynamic, talented, devoted, and fearless it's
safe.  So it's time for me to move on, and to leave it to them.

As a housekeeping note:  I've agreed with Luis that I'll be available until
9/15, though I'll be out on medical leave, so may be slow to answer
questions.  If I owe you something, please remind me so that we can get it
properly assigned out.

You can all reach out to me at any time... phili...@beaudette.me and
any time I see you will be a celebration.

With my deepest affection,

Philippe



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons

2015-09-01 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eduardo Testart  wrote:

> Brad,
>
> Reported as bets as I could on:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94562


The necessary part was the "[b7e99e43] Exception Caught" and "[97b50521]
Exception Caught". That allows me to look up the exception in the logfiles
on the server to see details as to what exactly is causing it.

Let's have further discussion in Phabricator.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons

2015-09-01 Thread Eduardo Testart
Brad,

Sure, thanks.

Best!
El sept. 1, 2015 12:23 PM, "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)" 
escribió:

> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eduardo Testart 
> wrote:
>
> > Brad,
> >
> > Reported as bets as I could on:
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94562
>
>
> The necessary part was the "[b7e99e43] Exception Caught" and "[97b50521]
> Exception Caught". That allows me to look up the exception in the logfiles
> on the server to see details as to what exactly is causing it.
>
> Let's have further discussion in Phabricator.
>
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