[Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

2015-12-28 Thread James Heilman
Deadlinks are one of the most common ways of spamming Wikipedia. Paid editors replace deadlinks with links to the spam site which now contains the contain as it way copied from waybackmachine. Linking to waybackmachine is thus superior. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia

[Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread James Heilman
On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation. Many thanks to all those who gave me their support during the last election. I have worked in the last six month to honor the trust placed in me by advocating for our values, communities, and projects. Sincerely James

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Comet styles
Wikimedia is still a democracy, even if the people running it aren't ..as someone pointed out above, he was selected by over 1800 "contributors" and i have personally seen him make 'minor' mistakes, none justifying why he was removed.. This is quite unbecoming of an organisation that prides itself

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread MZMcBride
SarahSV wrote: >On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Pete Forsyth >wrote: >> With this action, eight Trustees with little accountability overruled >> several hundred volunteers and another Trustee who literally earned the >> most support votes of any Trustee in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Todd Allen
Even if there are legal reasons that disclosure is not possible, a simple statement to that effect ("For legal reasons, we cannot provide additional information") should be at the very least forthcoming. If the removal was "not for cause", which apparently is allowed, that should be explicitly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On 29.12.2015 02:17, MZMcBride wrote: --- ; Approved: Patricio Lorente, Alice Wiegand, Frieda Brioschi, Jimmy Wales, Stu West, Jan-Bart de Vreede, Guy Kawasaki, Denny Vrandečić, ; Oppose: Dariusz Jemielniak, James Heilman --- This is a somewhat interesting breakdown. I'm also paying close

[Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread James Heilman
As Patricio stated the "Board has a responsibility to ... ensure that the Board functions with *mutual confidence*" My fellow trustees need no reason beyond lack of trust in me to justify my removal. No reason beyond that is needed per our board by laws. There was not any COI or legal

[Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

2015-12-28 Thread James Heilman
Hey Trillium Am a little distracted. Will dug up some difs for you soon. Please email me directly to remind me. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

2015-12-28 Thread Trillium Corsage
28.12.2015, 21:00, "James Heilman" : > Deadlinks are one of the most common ways of spamming Wikipedia. Paid > editors replace deadlinks with links to the spam site which now contains > the contain as it way copied from waybackmachine. Linking to waybackmachine > is thus superior. > > -- > James

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
James, Thank you for framing the issue. In the absence of any alternative claim, let me respond to the "trust" issue. "Trust" is not a thing in itself. One person trusts another with a certain responsibility, or to accomplish a certain task. An unqualified "I trust you" is generally the kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM, James Heilman wrote: > As Patricio stated the "Board has a responsibility to ... ensure that the > Board functions with *mutual confidence*" > > My fellow trustees need no reason beyond lack of trust in me to justify my > removal. No reason

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hey Doc, The community wants to know about what happened. I think, you need to talk about this. Regards, Bodhisattwa On 29 Dec 2015 07:25, "Nathan" wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM, James Heilman wrote: > > > As Patricio stated the "Board has a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Surely there must be a board resolution that needs to be pubished regarding this? On 29 Dec 2015 9:44 am, "James Heilman" wrote: > On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation. > Many thanks to all those who gave me their support during the last >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 9:17 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > Surely there must be a board resolution that needs to be pubished regarding > this? It was published. It contains no information beyond the OP. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Nod. Found it. :/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_Removal On 29 Dec 2015 1:21 pm, "Nathan" wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 9:17 PM, John Mark Vandenberg > wrote: > > > Surely there must be a board resolution that needs to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

2015-12-28 Thread Danny Horn
Henning, If we're going to solve the problem of dead links, it needs to involve automation, at least for the heavy lifting. Obviously, if a human contributor can add a better source, that's great. But there are more dead links than people willing to replace them. On English Wikipedia, there's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Nathan wrote: > It was published. It contains no information beyond the OP. > > Well, it contains a bit more -- it clarifies that his removal also ends his terms on various committees, and -- rather significant, I think -- it states the names

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
Bodhisattwa and Nathan, If I imagine myself in James' shoes, I would be thinking a lot right now about: * What are my legal obligations around what I may or may not say * What are the difficult-to-predict consequences to WMF, to Wikimedia, and/or to oneself of saying various things * What

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

2015-12-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
Henning, I think you have missed an important detail (and if I'm mistaken, I'd like to know about it). This is not an "either/or" situation. At least in the past, when I have manually added Wayback Machine links (or seen them added by bots), they do not *replace* dead links, they merely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
I used to use AWB for lists but now I am running on a Mac so I don't have it anymore. I still can generate lists with Catscan though, so you may want to check that tool out if you haven't already. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Tito Dutta wrote: > In last 2 years I have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-28 Thread Asaf Bartov
I have recently been able to make it work under WINE, and have updated the documentation page accordingly[1]. It did take a series of winetricks(1) incantations to get it to work. It's quite brittle. In particular, make sure you're specifying WINARCH=32. A. [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-28 Thread
It's been several years since I used AWB for anything serious, precisely because it only runs under Windows. The conventional advice is to run it in a windows emulator, such as Wine, Parallels or Virtualbox. Folks talk about porting it, but I suspect this will never happen. Fae On 28 Dec 2015

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Pete, Thanks. Comments interspersed below. On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > I'd say the better question, is "what legal or moral right would we call > upon to *insist* on having the same for Wikidata?" If we had a clear answer > to that one, it

[Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-28 Thread Tito Dutta
In last 2 years I have contacted every help section from AWB talk page, Ubuntu help forum etc. Trying this medium as well: Can someone tell me how to use AWB on Ubuntu? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hour on January 21st

2015-12-28 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey folks :) I'll be doing another office hour to talk about all things Wikidata. As usual I'll give an overview of the past 3 months and what's ahead. It'll be in #wikimedia-office on Freenode. It'll be on January 21st at 17:00 UTC. For your timezone please see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
If anything, the Kazakh thing just proves that the wiki model works. No shame in that. It's probably why the Chinese are blocking Wikipedia and not embracing it. You can't hide your propaganda, even from your own people. As far as the compilation of Christmas songs goes, the list of songs is not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Jane Darnell wrote: > If anything, the Kazakh thing just proves that the wiki model works. No > shame in that. It's probably why the Chinese are blocking Wikipedia and not > embracing it. You can't hide your propaganda, even from your own

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
Anyone can exploit the content on WMF for their needs. What I mean by "it works" is that you can't fool people when you try to change Wikipedia to fit government policy. We can easily identify problematic edits. Never underestimate the diaspora of any country. Wikimedia is always bigger than any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Risker
On 28 December 2015 at 11:22, Jane Darnell wrote: > Anyone can exploit the content on WMF for their needs. What I mean by "it > works" is that you can't fool people when you try to change Wikipedia to > fit government policy. We can easily identify problematic edits. Never >

[Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

2015-12-28 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all, in case you don't know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCell is a single-player card game, that became popular after being included in some versions of Microsoft Windows. Now, the English Wikipedia entry about it used to contain during at least two times in the past, some relatively

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it when someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we shouldn't try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good Faith" will always win out over any strange misguided takeover strategy, which is why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

2015-12-28 Thread Pine W
Hi Shlomi, I would suggest posting those questions on the talk page of the article, and/or at WP:RSN. Pine On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Hi all, > > in case you don't know, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCell is a > single-player card game,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-28 Thread David Gerard
I got it to work on Ubuntu 14.04 by approximately this method. It's INCREDIBLY long winded, you have to download about a gigabyte of stuff from Microsoft, one file didn't exist at the listed download site any more and I had to get a questionable copy off someone's "saved stuff" web directory, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

2015-12-28 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Henning Schlottmann wrote: > Switching dead links to the archive is a move to a dead end, instead of > looking for > > a) the new correct URL, as many links were just moved. > b) alternative sources for the same fact. > An automated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread Ricordisamoa
Wut? Il 28/12/2015 23:43, James Heilman ha scritto: On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation. Many thanks to all those who gave me their support during the last election. I have worked in the last six month to honor the trust placed in me by advocating for our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread SarahSV
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:43 PM, James Heilman wrote: > On Dec 28th 2015 I was removed from the board of the Wikimedia Foundation. > Many thanks to all those who gave me their support during the last > election. I have worked in the last six month to honor the trust placed in >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread Todd Allen
I join everyone else here in hoping we'll be hearing a very good reason for this. I understand it may not be possible (or wise) for Doc James to provide that, but it certainly shouldn't be done for simple differences of opinion. On Dec 28, 2015 4:17 PM, "SarahSV" wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread Milos Rancic
This is not good. I suppose Board will give us an explanation of what happened, so we could discuss it here. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > Dr James, thank you for your work in Wikimedia governance (and for that > matter, management so far.) I really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Jane Darnell
Well the chances of me being firebombed while on vacation in the states are probably higher than me being firebombed for editing Wikipedia, but that still doesn't mean we need to worry about changing the wiki model. I guess I have lost the thread of your point entirely now. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

2015-12-28 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 16.12.2015 21:12, Danny Horn wrote: > #1. Migrate dead links to the Wayback Machine (111 support votes) I really hope, you don't follow that wish, as it is detrimental to the quality of Wikipedia. Switching dead links to the archive is a move to a dead end, instead of looking for a) the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-28 Thread Tito Dutta
Yes, that's right, Wine, Q4Wine and PlayonLinux don't work. On 28 December 2015 at 16:09, Fæ wrote: > It's been several years since I used AWB for anything serious, precisely > because it only runs under Windows. > > The conventional advice is to run it in a windows emulator,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Risker
"Assume good faith" is actually what got Kazakh Wikipedia into the mess it is in. Wikimedia projects have been blocked by governments practically since their inception. Perverting the content is the new way of doing things. They've learned from the PR and SEO industries. And that leads us back

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-12-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Jane Darnell wrote: > All I said is that the wiki way works, that's all. You can't hide it when > someone tries to take over a project, and that is the reason we shouldn't > try to anticipate that with convoluted strategies. "Assume Good Faith"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
I have also managed to make it work under Wine on Ubuntu in the past, but I would stress: this is a HIGHLY frustrating process, it requires many rounds of updates and incantations that add up to literally hours of work. I would not encourage anyone to do it unless they are BOTH already familiar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi all - I have to start this email with a pair of disclaimers: I'm both not a lawyer, and I've never been on the board of an organization headquartered in Florida. However, I have been on multiple California-based boards - none that had nearly the revenue of WMF, but some whose assets did run in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread
Anyone who has worked with James on the projects will know how seriously committed he is to open knowledge and that he is held in the highest regard by the community for his achievements and character. Losing him from the WMF board is a severe blow for fellow volunteers. With James voted in as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread Lane Rasberry
I hope that the WMF board and James are able to collaborate a bit further to give an explanation of the cause of this, and that the explanation given is to the mutual satisfaction of both the board and James. I presume that the current notice of dismissal without explanation is not the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Risker
On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente wrote: > Dear all, > > Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees voted to remove one of the > Trustees, Dr. James Heilman, from the Board. His term ended effective > immediately. > > This was not a decision the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Anthony Cole
Here is the resolution removing James. https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_Removal On Tuesday, December 29, 2015, Risker wrote: > On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente > > wrote: > > > Dear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hi, This official statement is very much weak and does not state any reason of such removal. A rather serious and transparent explanation to the community is needed. Regards, Bodhisattwa On 29 Dec 2015 05:22, "Risker" wrote: > On 28 December 2015 at 18:29, Patricio Lorente

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Under Florida law (https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808), there is a distinction between removals for cause and removals not for cause (https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808). Removals not for cause require a 2/3 majority (this standard was still met). If you are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Kevin Gorman
I really, really hope that, as fast as one can be written, a resolution explaining more fully the circumstances of James' departure from the board is written and passed. If there are legal reasons that mean that his departure cannot be more fully explained, that itself needs to be noted - and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Pine W
I am hopeful that the resolution, when it is published, will provide us with more information. IMO, speed is less important here than the completeness of the information. I'd prefer a more thorough explanation provided tomorrow than a hasty and potentially incomplete explanation today. Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Matthew Flaschen
Yes, it's still a Florida organization. You can see the resolution cites https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Bylaws#Section_7._Removal , which in turn cites Section 617.0808(1), which is what I linked to ( https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/617.0808) Matt Flaschen On Monday, December

[Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Patricio Lorente
Dear all, Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees voted to remove one of the Trustees, Dr. James Heilman, from the Board. His term ended effective immediately. This was not a decision the Board took lightly. The Board has a responsibility to the Wikimedia movement and the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Kevin Gorman
I really really hope that the full and transparent text of the resolution is published as soon as is reasonably possible. James has the trust of a colossal number of movement members, and seeing him suddenly removed short of allegations of financial malfeasance or something to that effect is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Thomas Goldammer
Dear Patricio, as James is (or was) a community-elected member, it would have been nice to include reasons why the Board took this decision in the announcement. It gives (at least me) the impression of deliberate non-openness, and I don't like it. Th. 2015-12-29 0:52 GMT+01:00 Risker

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Tito Dutta
Add me as well.​ ​Eager to know what happened.​ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Nathan
Add my voice to those waiting for the Board to provide something closer to the minimum necessary context for this decision. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Pete Forsyth
I'd like to suggest we look at this decision from as objective and broad a perspective as possible, and consider any statement (or lack of any statement) from the Wikimedia Foundation from that perspective. My initial thoughts are that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees are an entity that:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Thomas Goldammer
Pine, the resolution was published, and it does not provide any information. https://m.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:James_Heilman_Removal Matt, why would FL law apply to Board decisions? WMF is based in Cali. Are they still officially a Florida entity? Best, Th. 2015-12-29 1:39

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Steven Zhang
Quite surprised by this action, it does indeed seem unprecedented and I would hope the board would release a statement as to why this decision was made. Unless there are legal reasons that mean the board cannot disclose why, I would think that an explanation should be provided. Steve Crossin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread SarahSV
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > With this action, eight Trustees with little accountability overruled > several hundred volunteers and another Trustee who literally earned the > most support votes of any Trustee in the organization's history. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Tanweer Morshed
Removing a board member is definitely a serious issue. The community wants to know every aspect of the incident, why suddenly James has been removed. Regards, Tanweer Morshed -- Regards, Tanweer Morshed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Todd Allen
If he were in favor, it would've been a simple resignation. I'm not sure why it's surprising he would oppose it. On Dec 28, 2015 6:39 PM, "Ilario Valdelli" wrote: > On 29.12.2015 02:17, MZMcBride wrote: > >> --- >> ; Approved: Patricio Lorente, Alice Wiegand, Frieda Brioschi,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Tanweer Morshed
Removing a board member is definitely a serious issue. The community wants to know every aspects of the incident, why suddenly James have been removed. Regards Tanweer -- Regards, Tanweer Morshed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread MZMcBride
Todd Allen wrote: >If he were in favor, it would've been a simple resignation. Yes. We're left to presume that James forced a vote here by refusing to step down voluntarily. >I'm not sure why it's surprising he would oppose it. Right, that part isn't surprising. But discounting the unsurprising

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread attolippip
Hello everybody. What grieves me most is that this edit was done by only a few people, however powerful [1] And to make this edit a lot of work and far more trust was involved... [2] [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Board_of_Trustees=104353=103933 [2]