Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
> I assume many have muted or are ignoring the "thankspam" thread, but it has
> changed topic rather meaningfully, and I think it deserves broader
> attention.

I see now why Discourse is a problem...

I wanted to install it, so we could test it and then move to a WMF
server. I wasn't fully demotivated after I've seen it's written in
Ruby (nothing against syntax, but on infrastructure side it's easier
to install .NET framework on Linux). Then they say the only way they
support installation is via Docker.

No, thanks.

They obviously need to mature and produce a sensible framework for
software installation. Until then, good old Mailman is our most
realistic solution.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Milos Rancic  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Andrea Zanni 
> wrote:
> > Why?
> > As a user, you would just need to login and participate, Discourse is
> like
> > a website. You don't need to install anything.
> > I don't understand your point.
>
> I am speaking as an admin, not as a user :P
>
> In brief, software is not stable. And it's not just that, but the
> developers don't know their software well enough to offer a sensible
> installation guide. I wouldn't use such software.
>
> Besides that, if there is no Docker environment (and I don't think so
> there is a Docker environment in WMF, though my information could be
> outdated), you have to create a double layer system just to install it
> according to their specification.
>
> Said so, I am sure there are masochists around, willing to install it :P
>
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FWIW, there is a docker role in wikimedia puppet and it's already used as
part of the labs infrastructure. Not sure how well tested it is yet, but
it's there.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium

2016-01-23 Thread Risker
Thanks to MADe, M0tty and Dimi z - and congratulations and best wishes to
the new members and the entire board.

Risker/Anne

On 23 January 2016 at 20:11, Romaine Wiki  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We as Wikimedia Belgium now have a new board installed with the General
> Assembly of Saturday 23 January 2016.
>
> Three board members leave (due time constraints):
> * MADe - our hard working president who focussed on the goal of founding
> Wikimedia Belgium and he did!
>
> * M0tty - our vice president who is one of the founders and collaborated
> with the Mundaneum.
>
> * Dimi z - our international liaison and one of the founders and is the
> face to the European politicians in Brussels.
>
> All three remain active for Wikimedia Belgium in an advisory role for the
> board.
>
> Thank you MADe, M0tty & Dimi z for your work the past years!
>
>
> Two board members come in:
> * SPQRobin - member of the Wikimedia language committee, developer, and
> long term Wikipedia editor.
>
> * Lfurter - graphic designer, researcher, curator, and organiser of
> multiple Wikimedia events.
>
>
> Welcome SPQRobin & Lfurter!
>
>
> Also a new president of our chapter has been elected. This is now Geertivp.
>
> Geertivp had in the board the role of secretary, which included a
> performance on Belgian television last week. Thank you for your work as
> secretary and success with the role as president!
>
> SPQRobin takes over the role of secretary from Geertivp.
>
>
> Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Erik Bernhardson
 wrote:
> FWIW, there is a docker role in wikimedia puppet and it's already used as
> part of the labs infrastructure. Not sure how well tested it is yet, but
> it's there.

In this case I see a kind of solution:
* Install Discourse container on Labs per instructions and let it
handle "http(s)://discourse.wikimedia.org/"
* Forward every mail intended to reach wikimedia-l to Discourse as well.
* Forward every Discourse comment to wikimedia-l.

Theoretically, it could work. I mean, under the condition that
Discourse is capable to read properly mail headers, as well as to send
a decent emails back to wikimedia-l.

If it works, everybody who prefers to read emails in the old format
will be able to do that. Those who prefer Discourse web interface
would be able to do that, as well.

I don't expect discourse.wikimedia.org would be a large consumer of
traffic (CPU, RAM) at the beginning.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Vituzzu  wrote:
>> Said so, I am sure there are masochists around, willing to install it :P
>>
> Me neither, but it's worth a try neither me and you will have to handle :p

That's pretty relevant point! It takes time to switch from "No!" to
"Oh, I am not the admin here!".

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Vituzzu



Il 23/01/2016 21:34, Milos Rancic ha scritto:

I am speaking as an admin, not as a user :P

In brief, software is not stable. And it's not just that, but the
developers don't know their software well enough to offer a sensible
installation guide. I wouldn't use such software.
Let's say we can use it for open/public mailing lists. Though we're 
currently using a pretty outdated mailman version so we are not so safe.


Besides that, if there is no Docker environment (and I don't think so
there is a Docker environment in WMF, though my information could be
outdated), you have to create a double layer system just to install it
according to their specification.

Afair there's


Said so, I am sure there are masochists around, willing to install it :P


Me neither, but it's worth a try neither me and you will have to handle :p

Vito

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Andrea Zanni
Well,
Discourse is new but it's growing fast:
http://www.discourse.org/faq/customers/

Plus Mozilla:
https://discourse.mozilla-community.org/

and OKFN:
https://discuss.okfn.org/

I personally think that it could really help new people participate in our
discussions, so it's worth a try.

Aubrey

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Milos Rancic  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Andrea Zanni 
> wrote:
> > Why?
> > As a user, you would just need to login and participate, Discourse is
> like
> > a website. You don't need to install anything.
> > I don't understand your point.
>
> I am speaking as an admin, not as a user :P
>
> In brief, software is not stable. And it's not just that, but the
> developers don't know their software well enough to offer a sensible
> installation guide. I wouldn't use such software.
>
> Besides that, if there is no Docker environment (and I don't think so
> there is a Docker environment in WMF, though my information could be
> outdated), you have to create a double layer system just to install it
> according to their specification.
>
> Said so, I am sure there are masochists around, willing to install it :P
>
> --
> Milos
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Milos Rancic  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Erik Bernhardson
>  wrote:
> > FWIW, there is a docker role in wikimedia puppet and it's already used as
> > part of the labs infrastructure. Not sure how well tested it is yet, but
> > it's there.
>
> In this case I see a kind of solution:
> * Install Discourse container on Labs per instructions and let it
> handle "http(s)://discourse.wikimedia.org/"
> * Forward every mail intended to reach wikimedia-l to Discourse as well.
> * Forward every Discourse comment to wikimedia-l.
>
> Theoretically, it could work. I mean, under the condition that
> Discourse is capable to read properly mail headers, as well as to send
> a decent emails back to wikimedia-l.
>
> If it works, everybody who prefers to read emails in the old format
> will be able to do that. Those who prefer Discourse web interface
> would be able to do that, as well.
>
> I don't expect discourse.wikimedia.org would be a large consumer of
> traffic (CPU, RAM) at the beginning.
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Vituzzu  wrote:
> >> Said so, I am sure there are masochists around, willing to install it :P
> >>
> > Me neither, but it's worth a try neither me and you will have to handle
> :p
>
> That's pretty relevant point! It takes time to switch from "No!" to
> "Oh, I am not the admin here!".
>
> --
> Milos
>
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TBH setting up a discourse instance is the easy part. I've thrown up a
temporary instance at http://discourse.wmflabs.org.  I'm not sure how to go
about the rest though. Anyone who is interested in figuring out the rest
let me know and i can get you setup for admin mode.
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