Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread Pete Forsyth
Guys...gals...some perspective? The important thing (as Andreas initially said) is that informal commitments from Trustees, to seek transparency in specific areas, not continue to get lost. The questions about what department it belongs in, the speed at which they get addressed, etc. are all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread Risker
"Requests for transparency" is highly inaccurate; what you are requesting is information. The two are not synonymous. I have moved the page to the more correct name. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_information On 12 March 2016 at 22:18, SarahSV wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread Risker
Ummwhat the NDA says is very much a part of employment standards. The NDA is an employer-employee agreement. It is not subject to the wishes of the Wikimedia community, except in a very indirect way. NDAs are used to control people's behaviours - if they're employees, they get disciplined

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread SarahSV
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > As Sarah says, a dedicated transparency officer within the community > engagement department would be a great idea, because this is a > community-facing issue. I'd be interested in hearing Maggie's views on > that. > ​

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Anne, This is not a question of employment standards – it's not about what these NDAs etc. should or shouldn't say. We are talking about publication of existing boilerplate agreements that are in routine use. It's a question of transparency. When volunteers talk to staff, it's useful for them to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread Risker
On 12 March 2016 at 22:02, SarahSV wrote: > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > > > This seems to be a recurring (and daunting) pattern. People call for > > transparency about a particular issue. Eventually, someone in a >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread SarahSV
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > This seems to be a recurring (and daunting) pattern. People call for > transparency about a particular issue. Eventually, someone in a leadership > position responds that yes, demands for transparency about this issue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-12 Thread Risker
Really, Andreas? You're complaining that the resigning ED didn't do this and the one appointed less than 36 hours ago hasn't got around to it? This is not Maggie's responsibility - she is not responsible for employment standards or expectations. That would be the VP Human Resources...who has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

2016-03-12 Thread Biplab Anand
This is amazing. Thanks. On 13 Mar 2016 03:20, "Andy Mabbett" wrote: > > Cross-wiki notifications > > This is great, thank you. > > Two requests: > > Please could we have two icons, one for local notifications, another for > those from elsewhere? > > And could we have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Thanks Peter. It's not my work, I put it out to tender at Village Pump (technical) and User:Makyen took it and did it. (It doesn't seem to be working now, though.) I'm pretty confident it's technically possible to make it accessible (readable by JAWS [1]) now. What's missing is the WMF's decision

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cross-wiki notifications beta feature now available on all wikis

2016-03-12 Thread Andy Mabbett
> Cross-wiki notifications This is great, thank you. Two requests: Please could we have two icons, one for local notifications, another for those from elsewhere? And could we have some way to avoid mass notifications when we are mentioned in a newsletter like The Signpost, This Week in GLAM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Magnus Manske
I like this for the interface, and as you said for the screen reading function. I hear WMF is working on some TTS thing now? Not sure it would significantly alter my ratios at the moment, especially given its rather low takeup (i presume). In your example, it would actually make the ratio worse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Peter Southwood
Maybe it will become accessible with future technology, in which case your work would not be wasted. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Cole Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2016 9:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
I'd use it for most of my citations if it also worked for users of screen readers. But I can't bring myself to add a feature to an article that isn't accessible by the sight impaired. Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > That

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Peter Southwood
That would be a useful feature in the long term Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Cole Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2016 8:42 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Ugh. This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ref_supports2#Example Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 2:51 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > Ugh.I just edited the page and now it's not working. Try this: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ref_supports2/Example > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Ugh.I just edited the page and now it's not working. Try this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ref_supports2/Example Anthony Cole On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 2:42 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > Regarding "Unless I missed it, there is no good way to automatically > discern

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

2016-03-12 Thread James Heilman
Gerard not sure what you mean? In the Wikipedia world if a RfC is either poorly formed or poorly participated in than it is not uncommon for another one to occur. J On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > When it is only a nominal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Regarding "Unless I missed it, there is no good way to automatically discern what a refers to - a word, a sentence, a paragraph." Check out the first paragraph and its references here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_and_Albert_Museum_Spiral. Hovering your mouse over each footnote marker

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

2016-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When it is only a nominal consideration but mostly a chuckle, what does it say about the validity of those people and their assumptions? This is exactly the infuriating kind of response that turns people off the community. Thanks, GerardM On 12 March 2016 at 14:45, Marc A. Pelletier

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Thanks, Marc. That's a relief. Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 2016-03-12 6:31 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > >> I've lost track of where that's at. >> > > Well, there was a consultation involving too few people that had a slight >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 4:18 PM Anthony Cole wrote: > Ah. You mean you're counting all footnote markers (including those at the > end of paragraphs). You're not just counting the number of references at > the bottom of the page. Yes I saw that. But you are missing my point.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Ah. You mean you're counting all footnote markers (including those at the end of paragraphs). You're not just counting the number of references at the bottom of the page. Yes I saw that. But you are missing my point. Many editors use one footnote marker to support all the sentences in a paragraph.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Magnus, I've just re-scanned your essay and don't see mention of you only counting footnote markers within the paragraphs and not at the end of paragraphs. And why wouldn't you count a footnote marker at the end of a paragraph if, as I've just explained, the sole citation at the end of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [discovery] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

2016-03-12 Thread Deborah Tankersley
Hi David, Thanks for the kind comments! > It looks great, well done. I've created a phabricator ticket for this comment: > With my configuration, contents slightly overflow the page when using a > window of between 481 and 560 px wide. I would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

2016-03-12 Thread David Abián
It looks great, well done. However, I leave some comments: * With my configuration, contents slightly overflow the page when using a window of between 481 and 560 px wide. I would increase the border between mobile and desktop view from 480 px to ~550 px (or would modify contents so that we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 12:27 PM Anthony Cole wrote: > Hi Magnus. > > I'm re-reading this thread and just noticed you linked me to an essay [1] > earlier. I'm sorry, I didn't realise at the time that you were addressing > me. > > Comments have closed there, so I'll post my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Gnangarra, I was away when Andy was here, and am really regretting missing his presentation. Can you explain to me why the Wikidata people have to make a wikidata item of every source before they can cite it? Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:29 PM, Anthony Cole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Sorry, there's a typo in that last paragraph. It should read: The sound argument coming from above is the cry from Gerrard and others that it is hideously difficult to add citations to Wikidata *statements*. If that is so, you should fix that. Anthony Cole On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 8:27 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
Hi Magnus. I'm re-reading this thread and just noticed you linked me to an essay [1] earlier. I'm sorry, I didn't realise at the time that you were addressing me. Comments have closed there, so I'll post my thoughts here. You describe a formula for measuring how well Wikipedia is supported by

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania: Is it going to be once every two years?

2016-03-12 Thread Anthony Cole
I've lost track of where that's at. Anthony Cole ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-03-12 Thread Andre Engels
The issue is that you are framing all objections to be of the "it's new, so it's bad" crowd. I'm not even convinced that such a crowd exists, let alone that it is the mainstream of community is behind it, as you seem to imply. To be honest, as a member of the community who had a negative opinion