Re: [Wikimedia-l] Source-o-meter

[George Herbert]

Thanks, Tilman, I missed that...

George William Herbert
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> On Apr 22, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Tilman Bayer  wrote:
> 
> See also the review of that preprint we ran in the Wikimedia Research
> Newsletter: 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter/2016/February#Test_of_300k_citations:_how_verifiable_is_.22verifiable.22_in_practice.3F
> 
> and the community discussion it generated:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-02/Recent_research#Test_of_300k_citations:_how_verifiable_is_.22verifiable.22_in_practice.3F
> 
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM, George Herbert
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just saw this in The Atlantic.  A suggestion Wikipedia implement a source 
>> verifiability meter for each article.
>> 
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/04/wikipedia-open-access/479364/
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Source-o-meter

[Tilman Bayer]

See also the review of that preprint we ran in the Wikimedia Research
Newsletter: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter/2016/February#Test_of_300k_citations:_how_verifiable_is_.22verifiable.22_in_practice.3F

and the community discussion it generated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-02/Recent_research#Test_of_300k_citations:_how_verifiable_is_.22verifiable.22_in_practice.3F

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM, George Herbert
 wrote:
>
> Just saw this in The Atlantic.  A suggestion Wikipedia implement a source 
> verifiability meter for each article.
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/04/wikipedia-open-access/479364/
>
> George William Herbert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

[quiddity]

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:42 PM, rupert THURNER
 wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> just as a note, i hate that the blog [5] opens 20 times slower than
> wikinews on my mobile phone, that it is not in different languages,
> that i do not have the "usual mediawiki features".


For translations, see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog#Translations - If
you're volunteering to help, great!


> i hate that
> signpost [7] cannot be read on mobiles because of formatting.


Last discussed in November at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archive_9#Mobile_view_not_great
Example link on mobile:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2016-04-14=toggle_view_mobile

For translations, I wish that all the local newspapers (many but not
all of ) were translated into
various languages, but that would be a lot of work.


> i hate
> the glam newsletter [6] for the same reason, despite beeig again on a
> different wiki, no "read in different languages". which is the main
> reason i write this mail


That would be a lot of content to translate every month. E.g.
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/February_2016/Single
- if you're volunteering to do so every month, a comment on the
talkpage might work best.


> [snip]

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

[Dan Garry]

On 22 April 2016 at 12:42, rupert THURNER  wrote:
>
> i asked on the facebook group wikipeda weekly if joe/ed could publish
> an upcoming blog post on wikinews. joe sutherland mentioned ".. I
> simply cannot get my head around its attitude to news coverage". which
> i find frightening. an editor for 10 years, tens of thousands
> contributions, thousands of pages created, degree in journalism,
> dissertation about news on wikipedia, administrator.[1]
>
> jimmy, as wikinews refers an old mail of you from 2003 as the holy
> grail of NPOV, could you please clarify once and for all that your
> NPOV statemant you sent to wikien-l was valid for wikipedia. and not
> for wikisource, wikiquote, wikinews. best on the wikinews talk page
> concerning NPOV [2][4]. i understand of course that certain publishing
> standards might apply - but NPOV, and "sourced" in the sense of
> published somewhere else cannot be amongst them [3].
>

A discussion about whether the Communications Team should do blog posts on
Wikinews instead of the Wikimedia Blog seems quite off-topic for this very
general mailing list. Why don't you try contacting the Communications Team?


> just as a note, i hate that the blog [5] opens 20 times slower than
> wikinews on my mobile phone, that it is not in different languages,
> that i do not have the "usual mediawiki features". i hate that
> signpost [7] cannot be read on mobiles because of formatting. i hate
> the glam newsletter [6] for the same reason, despite beeig again on a
> different wiki, no "read in different languages". which is the main
> reason i write this mail ... and asked joe why not using wikinews. and
> i hate that wikinews does not use mediawiki features to properly
> classify what quality an article has, e.g. "blog", "npov", etc.
>

If you have criticism to give, then using strong language such as "hate" in
every single sentence will likely cause people to tune out. This means you
are unlikely to achieve anything. Almost everyone here is open to
constructive criticism, but this message is quite far away from
that. Please be respectful of your fellow Wikimedians, and try to restate
your criticism more constructively and neutrally.

Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

[Oliver Keyes]

You're publishing on the main movement mailing list to complain about
another user and ask Jimmy a yes/no question?

This could've been handled with a neutral description of the background.
I'm not sure if you're in a position to be frightened by the comments of
long-term editors right now.

On Friday, 22 April 2016, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> hi jimmy,
>
> i asked on the facebook group wikipeda weekly if joe/ed could publish
> an upcoming blog post on wikinews. joe sutherland mentioned ".. I
> simply cannot get my head around its attitude to news coverage". which
> i find frightening. an editor for 10 years, tens of thousands
> contributions, thousands of pages created, degree in journalism,
> dissertation about news on wikipedia, administrator.[1]
>
> jimmy, as wikinews refers an old mail of you from 2003 as the holy
> grail of NPOV, could you please clarify once and for all that your
> NPOV statemant you sent to wikien-l was valid for wikipedia. and not
> for wikisource, wikiquote, wikinews. best on the wikinews talk page
> concerning NPOV [2][4]. i understand of course that certain publishing
> standards might apply - but NPOV, and "sourced" in the sense of
> published somewhere else cannot be amongst them [3].
>
> just as a note, i hate that the blog [5] opens 20 times slower than
> wikinews on my mobile phone, that it is not in different languages,
> that i do not have the "usual mediawiki features". i hate that
> signpost [7] cannot be read on mobiles because of formatting. i hate
> the glam newsletter [6] for the same reason, despite beeig again on a
> different wiki, no "read in different languages". which is the main
> reason i write this mail ... and asked joe why not using wikinews. and
> i hate that wikinews does not use mediawiki features to properly
> classify what quality an article has, e.g. "blog", "npov", etc.
>
> [1]
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Foxj=en.wikipedia.org
> [2]
> https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:Neutral_point_of_view#raphael_honigstein_and_outreach_blog_on_wikinews.3F
> [3] https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Pillars_of_Wikinews_writing
> [4]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-November/008096.html
> [5] blog:
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/04/22/ted-wikimedia-collaboration/
> [6] glam newletter: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter
> [7] signpost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost
>
> best,
> rupert
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[Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

[rupert THURNER]

hi jimmy,

i asked on the facebook group wikipeda weekly if joe/ed could publish
an upcoming blog post on wikinews. joe sutherland mentioned ".. I
simply cannot get my head around its attitude to news coverage". which
i find frightening. an editor for 10 years, tens of thousands
contributions, thousands of pages created, degree in journalism,
dissertation about news on wikipedia, administrator.[1]

jimmy, as wikinews refers an old mail of you from 2003 as the holy
grail of NPOV, could you please clarify once and for all that your
NPOV statemant you sent to wikien-l was valid for wikipedia. and not
for wikisource, wikiquote, wikinews. best on the wikinews talk page
concerning NPOV [2][4]. i understand of course that certain publishing
standards might apply - but NPOV, and "sourced" in the sense of
published somewhere else cannot be amongst them [3].

just as a note, i hate that the blog [5] opens 20 times slower than
wikinews on my mobile phone, that it is not in different languages,
that i do not have the "usual mediawiki features". i hate that
signpost [7] cannot be read on mobiles because of formatting. i hate
the glam newsletter [6] for the same reason, despite beeig again on a
different wiki, no "read in different languages". which is the main
reason i write this mail ... and asked joe why not using wikinews. and
i hate that wikinews does not use mediawiki features to properly
classify what quality an article has, e.g. "blog", "npov", etc.

[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Foxj=en.wikipedia.org
[2] 
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_talk:Neutral_point_of_view#raphael_honigstein_and_outreach_blog_on_wikinews.3F
[3] https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Pillars_of_Wikinews_writing
[4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-November/008096.html
[5] blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/04/22/ted-wikimedia-collaboration/
[6] glam newletter: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter
[7] signpost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost

best,
rupert

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Source-o-meter

[Yaroslav M. Blanter]

On 2016-04-22 20:31, George Herbert wrote:

Just saw this in The Atlantic.  A suggestion Wikipedia implement a
source verifiability meter for each article.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/04/wikipedia-open-access/479364/

George William Herbert
Sent from my iPhone


Interesting reading, thanks. However, do not we already have {{no 
sources}} for this purpose?


Cheers
Yaroslav

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[Wikimedia-l] Source-o-meter

[George Herbert]

Just saw this in The Atlantic.  A suggestion Wikipedia implement a source 
verifiability meter for each article.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/04/wikipedia-open-access/479364/

George William Herbert
Sent from my iPhone
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[Wikimedia-l] Funding Citation Hunt

[James Salsman]

How do people feel about a few of the larger the Chapters funding pilots to
have professional researchers do https://tools.wmflabs.org/citationhunt/en
and a few other main languages?

It would be great to measure the quality of results of different payment
incentive models and rates, but this is not something that the Foundation
could do without some risk of breaching the DMCA safe harbor provisions, as
far as I can see. Even if I am technically wrong about that, the
appearances would be that it's obvious exertion of what would be positive
editorial control, which would still mean a greater likelihood of lawsuits
by disgruntled BLP and corporate subjects who can't win in court but can
waste everyone's money.

But I would rather have multiple measurements administered by different
parties anyway, because there are likely to be large uncontrollable sources
of noise.
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[Wikimedia-l] [ASBS] Vote of Wikimédia France

[Emeric VALLESPI]

** I already sent this email to the chapters/affiliates mailing list but
I'm not sure all representatives subscribed to the list. Sorry for
cross-posting **

Dear fellow wikimedians,

After a resolution from the board, Wikimédia France has cast its vote for
the Affiliate-Selected Board Seats. We believe we would share our reasoning
behind in this venue.

It was not an easy choice − this year election is blessed with a lot of
strong candidates.

Unsurprisingly (since we endorsed him), we placed Christophe Henner as #1.
A volunteer for 12 years, and a Wikimédia France board member for 10 years,
our current chair has again and again demonstrated his commitment to the
movement and his leadership. Especially, he led the big transformation
which Wikimédia France went through in 2013, in the midst of our governance
crisis. Both as chair of Wikimedia France and now deputy CEO of a large
organization, he acquired the experiences needed to deal with the situation
WMF is going through now. We know he will be an asset to the Board of
Trustees in these trying times.

Our #2 is Nataliia Tymkiv.
Since ~3 years she's in the Board of Wikimedia Ukraine, she proved
abilities to structure her chapter, improve the financial, transparency and
governance processes.
She is also involved in the cooperation between several chapters − we
continue to be thoroughly impressed by the activity in the CEE region, and
we understand that she is a very active leader in this regional cooperation.
Furthermore, her professional experience in NGO appears to us necessary for
the next Board of the Wikimedia Foundation, in order to refocus the WMF on
its commitment and goals about knowledge's free access.

We believe these two candidates are complementary and can bring useful
(soft)skills, backgrounds and experiences. Last but not least, both are
supporters of the Wikimedia Cuteness Association and are commited to foster
Cuteness in the movement!

Other candidates seemed to us qualified for the job too and we discussed at
length on how many candidates we should support. We finally chose to vote
for only two candidates as there are two seats.

What is often see as a crisis is also an opportunity for our movement. An
opportunity to step back and consider who we are, what needs to be done to
finally become the movement we all dream of. In our opinion, Nataliia and
Christophe are the right fits to help us go down that road. To make our
movement as great as the individuals who make it.

Best regards,
--
Emeric Vallespi
Vice President

Wikimédia France
www.wikimedia.fr | Twitter: @Wikimedia_Fr

Mob. +33 6 61 15 13 12 <+33%206%2061%2015%2013%2012> |
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