Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disrupting journal publishing

2016-05-10 Thread geni
On 8 May 2016 at 23:28, James Heilman  wrote:
> Basically the DOAJ search function is not returning accurate information.
> James
>


Well the good news is that they've just deleted 3.3K journals to try
and improve on that:

https://doajournals.wordpress.com/2016/05/09/doaj-to-remove-approximately-3300-journals/

Now if we can just find a way to get stuff accurately listed by
language it will be a lot more usable.


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geni

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Pileviews - new/backup tool:

2016-05-10 Thread Asaf Bartov
Perhaps relevant for folks not on the GLAM list as well.

   A.

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Date: Tue, May 10, 2016 at 7:23 PM
Subject: Pileviews - new/backup tool:
To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
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Hullo, everyone.

Shani encountered a problem using Treeviews to obtain pageview information
for a PagePile  -- for some reason it
was returning zero for all pages, even though the Pageviews API itself
returns correct data.

I wrote a quick, simple replacement/backup tool that produces a CSV file of
pageview data (by month) for a given PagePile ID.  It is available on Tool
Labs here:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/pileviews

Or as a standalone Ruby script, if you prefer to run it yourself:
https://github.com/abartov/wikimedia_tools/tree/master/pileviews

I hope this helps others, too.

Cheers,

   A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-10 Thread geni
On 10 May 2016 at 15:35, The Cunctator  wrote:
> One very serious element of this decision-making really should be the fact
> that Google is blatantly violating the CCA-SA by reusing Wikipedia content
> without making their derivative work open.
>
>
>- *Share Alike*—If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you
>may distribute the resulting work only under the same, similar or a
>compatible license.
>

They would argue that they are using the facts not the presentation of
those facts and facts are not subject to copyright.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

2016-05-10 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> I can see no reason for this failure.  We know that the Board is busy, but
> it is a legal requirement that the minutes be drawn up and discussed, so
> that publication is or should be a matter of very little effort, and a part
> of normal operating procedure for the Board's administrative support.  I
> suggest that this is the very time at which the Board should be taking
> extra pains to engage with the Community, and involve them in its planning
> and other activities.  Instead, we have what appears to be a conscious and
> deliberate snub.


The issue of minutes is already scheduled to be discussed as an item
proposed as one of the governance improvements. I realize how deeply ironic
it sounds, since you can't know that, because the agenda is not published
significantly ahead of time, but just FYI (and to immediately address your
valid concern).

dj
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[Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

2016-05-10 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
The Board Handbook [1] specifies a procedure to be followed for publicising
Board meetings.  In particular

At least two days before the meeting, the Secretary posts a public
summary of the agenda to wikimediaannounce-l
;

No more than five weeks after the meeting, the Secretary posts the
approved public minutes and any presentations intended for publication, to
wikimediaannounce-l
. Public
minutes and the resolutions approving them are available on the WMF wiki at
meetings  and resolutions
.

It is a matter of concern that these procedures have not been carried out
for recent meetings.  In spite of a discussion [2] with the Vice-Chair on
the subject, the minutes of the meeting on 21 March have still not been
published after seven weeks.  This is the fourth consecutive meeting for
which the minutes have not been posted within the time specified in the
Handbook.  I have requested the Chair and the Vice-Chair to publish these
minutes within the time specified, and the Chair has seen fit to ignore my
request.

I can see no reason for this failure.  We know that the Board is busy, but
it is a legal requirement that the minutes be drawn up and discussed, so
that publication is or should be a matter of very little effort, and a part
of normal operating procedure for the Board's administrative support.  I
suggest that this is the very time at which the Board should be taking
extra pains to engage with the Community, and involve them in its planning
and other activities.  Instead, we have what appears to be a conscious and
deliberate snub.

I call on the Board to rectify this situation as a matter of urgency.

Rogol Domedonfors

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_Handbook
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Meetings_in_February_and_March_2016
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

2016-05-10 Thread Nabin Sapkota
Hi,

Congratulations Christophe and Nataliia!
Big responsibilities ahead,  beyond opportunities. Wish you both a very
goodluck for this marvelous time.

Cheers,
Nabin
Wikimedians of Nepal
Congratulations to Christophe and Nataliia!! I am looking forward to
working with you two in the years ahead. There is much to do. I'm grateful
to have your experience help guide us forward.

Also, my sincere thanks to all the candidates who put themselves forward
for these seats.

Cheers, Katy

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <
jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hey
>
> Congratulations to the winners! So happy to see that the board will profit
> from your insights. And yes: thanks to all those who helped make the
> process possible or made themselves available to be a candidate :)
>
> Regards
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
>
> > On 09 May 2016, at 16:11, Chris Keating 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > We are writing to let you know the result of the election for the 2
> > Affiliate Selected Board Seats on the Wikimedia Foundation board.
> >
> > The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia
Tymkiv.*
> >
> > A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the Macedonia
> and
> > Macau chapters - which is a record.
> >
> > The number of first preferences received by each candidate was as
> follows:
> >
> > Christophe Henner (9.00);
> > Siska Doviana (6.75);
> > Jan Ainali (5.50);
> > Osmar Valdebenito (5.50);
> > Nataliia Tymkiv (4.75);
> > Susanna Mkrtchyan (3.25);
> > Lodewijk Gelauff (2.50);
> > Maarten Deneckere (1.50);
> > Kunal Mehta(1.25);
> > Leigh Thelmadatter (0.00)
> >
> > As you know the election was conducted under the Single Transferable
> Vote,
> > which meant that votes were redistributed between candidates to come up
> > with the final result. In the 9th round of voting the final place, after
> > Christophe was elected, was between Nataliia (16.09) and Siska (9.91).
We
> > will be putting the full count narrative on the Chapters Wiki so that
> > others can verify it if they wish.
> >
> > We would like to congratulate Christophe and Nataliia and thank everyone
> > who stood. It is the closest ASBS result for some time, and all
> candidates
> > brought very valuable perspectives to the work of the WMF.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris Keating, Lorenzo Losa, Lane Rasberry
> > Election Facilitators
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

2016-05-10 Thread Katy Love
Congratulations to Christophe and Nataliia!! I am looking forward to
working with you two in the years ahead. There is much to do. I'm grateful
to have your experience help guide us forward.

Also, my sincere thanks to all the candidates who put themselves forward
for these seats.

Cheers, Katy

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <
jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hey
>
> Congratulations to the winners! So happy to see that the board will profit
> from your insights. And yes: thanks to all those who helped make the
> process possible or made themselves available to be a candidate :)
>
> Regards
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
>
> > On 09 May 2016, at 16:11, Chris Keating 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > We are writing to let you know the result of the election for the 2
> > Affiliate Selected Board Seats on the Wikimedia Foundation board.
> >
> > The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia Tymkiv.*
> >
> > A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the Macedonia
> and
> > Macau chapters - which is a record.
> >
> > The number of first preferences received by each candidate was as
> follows:
> >
> > Christophe Henner (9.00);
> > Siska Doviana (6.75);
> > Jan Ainali (5.50);
> > Osmar Valdebenito (5.50);
> > Nataliia Tymkiv (4.75);
> > Susanna Mkrtchyan (3.25);
> > Lodewijk Gelauff (2.50);
> > Maarten Deneckere (1.50);
> > Kunal Mehta(1.25);
> > Leigh Thelmadatter (0.00)
> >
> > As you know the election was conducted under the Single Transferable
> Vote,
> > which meant that votes were redistributed between candidates to come up
> > with the final result. In the 9th round of voting the final place, after
> > Christophe was elected, was between Nataliia (16.09) and Siska (9.91). We
> > will be putting the full count narrative on the Chapters Wiki so that
> > others can verify it if they wish.
> >
> > We would like to congratulate Christophe and Nataliia and thank everyone
> > who stood. It is the closest ASBS result for some time, and all
> candidates
> > brought very valuable perspectives to the work of the WMF.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris Keating, Lorenzo Losa, Lane Rasberry
> > Election Facilitators
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[Wikimedia-l] REMINDER: Invitation to upcoming office hours with WMF interim Executive Director

2016-05-10 Thread Gregory Varnum
Greetings,

A quick reminder that the first office hours with Wikimedia Foundation’s 
interim Executive Director, Katherine Maher, is coming up in the next day 
(roughly).

Apologies for confusion on the time, here is the time for the first session, 
being held via video:
Thursday, 12 May 2016 - 00:00-01:00 UTC | Wednesday, 11 May 2016 - 17:00-18:00 
PDT

You are invited to ask questions and offer suggestions to Katherine on this 
Meta-Wiki page (which also has additional information on the office hours):  
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours

You can join us and ask questions during the session via Blue Jeans:  
https://bluejeans.com/198076339

The session will also be available for streaming on YouTube:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazXyL-Ybjo

We look forward to talking with folks soon!
-greg

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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours/Announcement

---
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> On May 4, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Katherine Maher  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> **Summary: I am delighted to invite you to join me for two upcoming office
> hours, where I’ll answer community questions and share updates on the
> Foundation’s work.**
> 
> It’s been a busy few weeks around the Wikimedia Foundation offices. We
> shared our 2016-2017 annual plan, finished our quarterly reviews, and
> attended Wikimedia Conference 2016 in Berlin with the Wikimedia affiliates.
> [1]
> 
> In Berlin, I had the chance to do one of my favorite things: sit with
> Wikimedians, listen, debate, and plan for the future. Of course, Berlin is
> just one gathering, and there are thousands of other perspectives out
> there. I want to hear more of these perspectives, and so I’m looking
> forward to hosting two office hours over the coming weeks.
> 
> We plan to hold a traditional office hours on IRC, and will also experiment
> with a video Q We hope these different formats will make it easier for
> more people to participate using their preferred communications channels.
> We’ve chosen two different time zones, with the goal of reaching as many
> people as possible. They are as follows:
> 
> *Video session*
> *This session will be recorded, and the video will be posted on
> Commons/Meta. Due to video conferencing limitations, we encourage advance
> questions.*
> Wednesday, 11 May 2016
> 00:00-1:00 UTC | 17:00-18:00 PDT [2]
> 
> *IRC session*
> *This session follows the May monthly metrics meeting.[4] Like other office
> hours, it will be held in #Wikimedia-office on Freenode.*
> Thursday, 26 May 2016
> 19:00-20:00 UTC | 12:00-13:00 PDT [3]
> 
> We’re also collecting questions in advance for those who can’t make either
> of those sessions. We’ve created a page on Meta where you can leave
> questions or comments, check the details on the location of each session:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours
> 
> Please share this invitation with others you think may be interested!
> 
> I look forward to speaking soon,
> Katherine
> 
> Translation notice - This message is available for translation on
> Meta-Wiki:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours/Announcement
> 
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2016
> [2] Time converter link:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=0=00=0=12=05=2016
> [3] Time converter link:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19=00=0=26=05=2016
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 149 New Montgomery Street
> San Francisco, CA 94105
> 
> +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> +1 (415) 712 4873
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should the board do *now*? [was Re: Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal]

2016-05-10 Thread Gregory Varnum
Having worked with SPLC on records issues before, I feel it should be noted 
that their efforts are focused on government. Governments have legal 
protections that nonprofits (as corporations) do not, so the considerations are 
rather different.

I'm not commenting on the topics beyond that, just wanted to point out that 
important distinction. ;)

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> On May 10, 2016, at 12:00 PM, Ben Creasy  wrote:
> 
> Luis Villa  writes:
> 
>> 
>> tl;dr: the board did not effectively perform one of their most important
>> roles (managing the ED); the board (and board candidates) should be talking
>> about how they will fix that.
> 
> I think one of the key takeaways from this affair is that people should be 
> careful about talking the law. There are bright line rules 
> written in statute and then there are "duties" (duties of loyalty, duties of 
> care). In this case, it appears that the bright line rule of law (absolute 
> right of directors to inspect corporate books and records) was probably 
> violated while more tenuous legal rules were given heavier weight. I'm also 
> not sure that a few board members discussing something together unofficially 
> without the entire board is a "conspiracy" as Denny described it, although 
> I suppose that opens up a grey area about whether that's some sort of 
> official meeting and the rights of board members to know about 
> corporate business.
> 
> As far as I'm aware, there aren't too many bright line rules regarding 
> abstract 
> duties, although some statutes provide some good guidelines (e.g., Uniform 
> Prudent Investor Act). After spending several years as a fiduciary for a 
> couple different nonprofits and reviewing directors & officer's liability 
> insurance as a regulator, I've found that it's no joke that the business 
> judgment rule provides significant protection for board members from 
> liability. 
> Board members should be thinking more about right and wrong and what makes 
> sense rather than abstract legal notions.
> 
> Any good legal opinion should be written and cite specific statutes and case 
> law. And finding a case where a jury found someone, somewhere, in some 
> specific 
> situation was found to be liable for doing or not doing something is not 
> necessarily persuasive.
> 
> I winced a bit when I saw a while back that Anne/Risker responded to a 
> request 
> for more details on the Executive Director's performance by saying that such 
> information was basically sacrosant and something to the effect of how it 
> might 
> even be protected by some sort of UN human rights law. Maybe she knows 
> something
> more than me, and certainly it is typical for these to be kept private, but 
> many, many Americans have their performance evaluations subject to public 
> scrutiny. See 
> [http://www.splc.org/article/2015/04/accessing-personnel-records 
> Accessing personnel records: A balancing act between privacy, public’s right 
> to know] (2015) for some examples. It is true that California is 
> aggressive about employee rights; when I was looking at actuarial analyses 
> for 
> employer's liability, California received a multiplicative factor of 3 versus 
> the rest of the country.
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

2016-05-10 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey

Congratulations to the winners! So happy to see that the board will profit from 
your insights. And yes: thanks to all those who helped make the process 
possible or made themselves available to be a candidate :)

Regards

Jan-Bart



> On 09 May 2016, at 16:11, Chris Keating  wrote:
> 
> Dear Wikimedians,
> 
> We are writing to let you know the result of the election for the 2
> Affiliate Selected Board Seats on the Wikimedia Foundation board.
> 
> The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia Tymkiv.*
> 
> A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the Macedonia and
> Macau chapters - which is a record.
> 
> The number of first preferences received by each candidate was as follows:
> 
> Christophe Henner (9.00);
> Siska Doviana (6.75);
> Jan Ainali (5.50);
> Osmar Valdebenito (5.50);
> Nataliia Tymkiv (4.75);
> Susanna Mkrtchyan (3.25);
> Lodewijk Gelauff (2.50);
> Maarten Deneckere (1.50);
> Kunal Mehta(1.25);
> Leigh Thelmadatter (0.00)
> 
> As you know the election was conducted under the Single Transferable Vote,
> which meant that votes were redistributed between candidates to come up
> with the final result. In the 9th round of voting the final place, after
> Christophe was elected, was between Nataliia (16.09) and Siska (9.91). We
> will be putting the full count narrative on the Chapters Wiki so that
> others can verify it if they wish.
> 
> We would like to congratulate Christophe and Nataliia and thank everyone
> who stood. It is the closest ASBS result for some time, and all candidates
> brought very valuable perspectives to the work of the WMF.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chris Keating, Lorenzo Losa, Lane Rasberry
> Election Facilitators
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should the board do *now*? [was Re: Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal]

2016-05-10 Thread Toby Dollmann
Hoi,

> I think one of the key takeaways from this affair is that people should be 
> careful about talking the law.

An apt observation

In context of the 'absolute right of (individual) directors to inspect
corporate books and records', did the community director actually ask
to access the Foundation records and was his request formally denied ?

Director's right, are subject to exceptions and can be denied where a
disgruntled director shows intention to violate his or her fiduciary
duties to the corporation (TRITEK TELECOM INC v. SUPERIOR COURT),

Toby
www.cyberlegal.net

On 5/10/16, Ben Creasy  wrote:
> Luis Villa  writes:
>
>>
>> tl;dr: the board did not effectively perform one of their most important
>> roles (managing the ED); the board (and board candidates) should be
>> talking
>> about how they will fix that.
>>
>
> I think one of the key takeaways from this affair is that people should be
> careful about talking the law. There are bright line rules
> written in statute and then there are "duties" (duties of loyalty, duties of
> care). In this case, it appears that the bright line rule of law (absolute
> right of directors to inspect corporate books and records) was probably
> violated while more tenuous legal rules were given heavier weight. I'm also
> not sure that a few board members discussing something together unofficially
> without the entire board is a "conspiracy" as Denny described it, although
> I suppose that opens up a grey area about whether that's some sort of
> official meeting and the rights of board members to know about
> corporate business.
>
> As far as I'm aware, there aren't too many bright line rules regarding
> abstract
> duties, although some statutes provide some good guidelines (e.g., Uniform
> Prudent Investor Act). After spending several years as a fiduciary for a
> couple different nonprofits and reviewing directors & officer's liability
> insurance as a regulator, I've found that it's no joke that the business
> judgment rule provides significant protection for board members from
> liability.
> Board members should be thinking more about right and wrong and what makes
> sense rather than abstract legal notions.
>
> Any good legal opinion should be written and cite specific statutes and case
> law. And finding a case where a jury found someone, somewhere, in some
> specific
> situation was found to be liable for doing or not doing something is not
> necessarily persuasive.
>
> I winced a bit when I saw a while back that Anne/Risker responded to a
> request
> for more details on the Executive Director's performance by saying that such
> information was basically sacrosant and something to the effect of how it
> might
> even be protected by some sort of UN human rights law. Maybe she knows
> something
>  more than me, and certainly it is typical for these to be kept private, but
>  many, many Americans have their performance evaluations subject to public
>  scrutiny. See
> [http://www.splc.org/article/2015/04/accessing-personnel-records
>  Accessing personnel records: A balancing act between privacy, public’s
> right
>  to know] (2015) for some examples. It is true that California is
>  aggressive about employee rights; when I was looking at actuarial analyses
> for
>  employer's liability, California received a multiplicative factor of 3
> versus
>  the rest of the country.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should the board do *now*? [was Re: Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal]

2016-05-10 Thread Ben Creasy
Luis Villa  writes:

> 
> tl;dr: the board did not effectively perform one of their most important
> roles (managing the ED); the board (and board candidates) should be talking
> about how they will fix that.
> 

I think one of the key takeaways from this affair is that people should be 
careful about talking the law. There are bright line rules 
written in statute and then there are "duties" (duties of loyalty, duties of 
care). In this case, it appears that the bright line rule of law (absolute 
right of directors to inspect corporate books and records) was probably 
violated while more tenuous legal rules were given heavier weight. I'm also 
not sure that a few board members discussing something together unofficially 
without the entire board is a "conspiracy" as Denny described it, although 
I suppose that opens up a grey area about whether that's some sort of 
official meeting and the rights of board members to know about 
corporate business.

As far as I'm aware, there aren't too many bright line rules regarding abstract 
duties, although some statutes provide some good guidelines (e.g., Uniform 
Prudent Investor Act). After spending several years as a fiduciary for a 
couple different nonprofits and reviewing directors & officer's liability 
insurance as a regulator, I've found that it's no joke that the business 
judgment rule provides significant protection for board members from liability. 
Board members should be thinking more about right and wrong and what makes 
sense rather than abstract legal notions.

Any good legal opinion should be written and cite specific statutes and case 
law. And finding a case where a jury found someone, somewhere, in some specific 
situation was found to be liable for doing or not doing something is not 
necessarily persuasive.

I winced a bit when I saw a while back that Anne/Risker responded to a request 
for more details on the Executive Director's performance by saying that such 
information was basically sacrosant and something to the effect of how it might 
even be protected by some sort of UN human rights law. Maybe she knows something
 more than me, and certainly it is typical for these to be kept private, but 
 many, many Americans have their performance evaluations subject to public 
 scrutiny. See [http://www.splc.org/article/2015/04/accessing-personnel-records 
 Accessing personnel records: A balancing act between privacy, public’s right 
 to know] (2015) for some examples. It is true that California is 
 aggressive about employee rights; when I was looking at actuarial analyses for 
 employer's liability, California received a multiplicative factor of 3 versus 
 the rest of the country.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-10 Thread The Cunctator
One very serious element of this decision-making really should be the fact
that Google is blatantly violating the CCA-SA by reusing Wikipedia content
without making their derivative work open.


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:00 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>
> > I used the phrase "run amok" based on comments at
> > . Specifically,
> > Brion Vibber writes:
> >
> > "Former VP of Engineering Damon Sicore, who as far as I know conceived
> the
> > 'knowledge engine', shopped the idea around in secret (to the point of
> > GPG-encrypting emails about it) with the idea that Google/etc form an
> > 'existential threat' to Wikipedia in the long term by co-opting our
> > traffic, potentially reducing the inflow of new contributors via the
> > 'reader -> editor' pipeline. [...]"
> >
> > Jimmy Wales replies:
> >
> > "It is important, most likely, that people know that Damon's secrecy was
> > not something that was known to me or the rest of the board. I've only
> > yesterday been sent, by a longtime member of staff who prefers to remain
> > anonymous, the document that Damon was passing around GPG-encrypted with
> > strict orders to keep it top secret. Apparently, he (and he alone, as far
> > as I can tell) really was advocating for taking a run at Google. [...]"
> >
>
>
> I find it interesting to compare Damon's purported concerns with those
> voiced by Jimmy Wales in his October emails to James Heilman, as made
> available to the Signpost:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-04-24/Op-ed
>
> There we read that Wales said:
>
> 
> Right now the page at www.wikipedia.org is pretty useless. There's no
> question it could be improved. Is your concern that if we improve it and it
> starts to look like a "search engine" in the first definition this could
> cause us problems?
>
> Are you concerned that in due course we might expand beyond just internal
> search (across all our properties)?
>
> Right now when I type "Queen Elizabeth II" I am taken to the article about
> her. I'm not told about any other resources we may have about her.
>
> If I type a search term for which there is no Wikipedia entry, I'm taken to
> our wikipedia search results page – which is pretty bad.
>
> Here's an example: search for 'how old is tom cruise?'
>
> It returns 10 different articles, none of which are Tom Cruise!
>
> When I search in Google – I'm just told the answer to the question. Google
> got this answer from us, I'm quite sure.
>
> So, yes, this would include Google graph type of functionality. Why is that
> alarming to you?
>
> ...
>
> I don't agree that there's a serious gulf between what we have been told
> and what funders are being told.
>
> ...
>
> Imagine if we could handle a wide range of questions that are easy enough
> to do by using wikidata / data embedded in templates / textual analysis.
>
> "How old is Tom Cruise?"
>
> "Is Tom Cruise married?"
>
> "How many children does Tom Cruise have?"
>
> The reason this is relevant is that we are falling behind what users
> expect. 5 years ago, questions like that simple returned Wikipedia as the
> first result at Google. Now, Google just tells the answer and the users
> don't come to us.
> 
>
>
> When told that there clearly had been an attempt to fund a massive project
> to build a search engine that was then "scoped down to a $250k exploration
> for a fully developed plan", Wales replied:
>
>
> 
> In my opinion: There was and there is and there will be. I strongly support
> the effort, and I'm writing up a public blog post on that topic today. Our
> entire fundraising future is at stake.
> 
>
>
> Wales's concerns don't sound all that different from Sicore's to me.
>
> Both seem to have perceived developments at Google as an existential
> threat, because users get their answers there without having to navigate to
> Wikipedia or Wikidata (which are among the sources from which Google takes
> its answers).
>
> Nor do I think these concerns are entirely unfounded. By opting for a CC
> licence allowing full commercial re-use, years ago, Wikipedia set itself up
> to be cannibalised in precisely that way.
>
> For better or worse, it relinquished all control over how and by whom its
> knowledge would be presented. It should hardly come as a surprise that
> commercial operators then step up to exploit that vacuum, set up commercial
> operations based on Wikimedia content, and eventually draw users away.
>
> Moreover, the current search function does suck. Anyone looking for a
> picture on Commons for example is better off using Google than the internal
> search function.
>
> What I don't understand is why all the secrecy and double-talk was
> necessary.
>
>
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Testing Update (Friday 6th May) - Hopefully the first of Many

2016-05-10 Thread Joseph Seddon
Ilario,

I will look into this with fundraising tech and get back to you.

Seddon


On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Ilario Valdelli 
wrote:

> Hi Joseph,
> I think that the banner could be useful to test some problems I see when
> there is a switch of context.
>
> I live near the border Italy-Switzerland and I see several discrepancies
> when I connect in Italy and in Switzerland.
>
> Basically I continue to see banners of Switzerland when I connect in Italy
> and viceversa.
>
> Probably there is something connected with the cookies or with a
> persistence of personal data of browsing.
>
> In my opinion this experiment can be a good test to check if this problem
> is persistent switching the content.
>
> In addition my question is about the implementation of this kind of banner
> because the centralnotice can be set per country, per project and per
> language. Do this banner add also the possibility to set it by content?
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Joseph Seddon 
> wrote:
>
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > I wanted to give you a heads up about a small test WMF Online Fundraising
> > will be running over this weekend. Following a suggestion from
> > User:Wittylama we are for the first time going to be testing fundraiser
> > banners that are content specific. [1]
> >
> > From now until Monday 9th May we will be running an A/B test strictly on
> > articles relating to Game of Thrones [2] and only within the United
> States.
> > The reason being its huge popular appeal and expected spikes of traffic
> to
> > related articles during the airing of the next episode this Sunday . This
> > is the first test of its kind so we are being reasonable in our
> > expectations. It's hoped that this sort of specific messaging will allow
> us
> > to engage with our readership a little better through our fundraising and
> > in time provide alternatives to our standard messaging.
> >
> > The banner we are testing [3] has gone through several iterations and we
> > are trying to strike that fine line between engaging with our readers by
> > being content specific but at the same time avoiding being seen as
> > advertising or overt endorsement. There were certainly some more
> > extravagant ideas but we have gone with the more conservative option for
> > now.
> >
> > If you have any ideas you would like to suggest about either our process
> or
> > banner ideas feel free to contribute on our fundraising ideas page. [4]
> >
> > It is my plan going forward to provide more regular updates about our
> > testing and the results we find from it. What form that takes and where I
> > post those I'll decide in the coming weeks and will update you then.
> >
> > Hope you all have a great weekend.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas#Related_content_banners
> > [2] http://pastebin.com/M8AjB1tk
> > [3]
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones?force=1=US=B1516_0506_enUS_dsk_p1_lg_got_got
> > [4]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-10 Thread
Hoi,

Congratulations Gerard! You have remained in top position, dominating
this list by making the most posts for the last six months.[1]

Sigh.. thank goodness the community is in absolutely no doubt about
your opinion, thank you so much for investing all your time in
repeating yourself and ensuring that your voice remains number one.
Thank you so much for your personal criticism of any voice that
disagrees with yours.

Thanks,
  Fae

Links
1. https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html

On 10 May 2016 at 14:29, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
> Hoi,
> And then there are all those people who wonder why you keep harping on the
> same subject..
>
> Sigh.. Who is that community in your image?
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 10 May 2016 at 13:14, Fæ  wrote:
>
>> On 9 May 2016 at 08:19, Lodewijk  wrote:
>> ...
>> > The elimination of the Founder seat, I'm also not so certain there is
>> broad
>> > agreement. There are doubts though, for sure. And there is also no broad
>> > agreement to keep the seat as it is.
>>
>> It's simple enough to test "broad agreement" by having a public vote
>> open for all Wikimedians. Maybe you can kick one off?
>>
>> > And finally, yes, I do think there are many people who want to 'truly
>> > elect' community representatives. But again, I'm uncertain whether that
>> is
>> > legally possible without turning the structure of the WMF upside down.
>> In a
>> > foundation, the board has the ultimate authority, so to include a rule
>> that
>> > delegates that authority to an vaguely defined group of people is...
>> > tricky.
>>
>> Not tricky at all. There are *plenty* of other similar organizations
>> that have elections for their trustees to their boards, including
>> several Wikimedia chapters/affiliates where their boards have oversite
>> of many employees and significant sums of money. There is no need to
>> turn improvement of democratic governance of the WMF board into a
>> challenging drama that turns the "WMF upside down".
>>
>> Perhaps we should stop looking for hypothetical excuses to avoid
>> changing the way the WMF board governs itself, and start to set
>> targets for the WMF board so that board members take an active part in
>> leading basic improvement to transparency and accountability in
>> public, rather than alluding to confidential political horse-trading
>> in back-rooms. The WMF is not a heated political party, or a
>> fuddy-duddy old-boys club for people who don't understand simple legal
>> words, neither should becoming a trustee be seen as a personal honour
>> that means that asking difficult questions or holding a trustee to
>> account for their action or inaction is batted away as a personal
>> attack.
>>
>> The WMF board is locked into a infectious mind-set that is overripe
>> for modernization and the removal of ego driven politics. It would be
>> refreshing to see selfless inspiring board leadership that meets the
>> public expectations for free open knowledge in the 21st century.
>>
>> Fae
>> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
And then there are all those people who wonder why you keep harping on the
same subject..

Sigh.. Who is that community in your image?
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 10 May 2016 at 13:14, Fæ  wrote:

> On 9 May 2016 at 08:19, Lodewijk  wrote:
> ...
> > The elimination of the Founder seat, I'm also not so certain there is
> broad
> > agreement. There are doubts though, for sure. And there is also no broad
> > agreement to keep the seat as it is.
>
> It's simple enough to test "broad agreement" by having a public vote
> open for all Wikimedians. Maybe you can kick one off?
>
> > And finally, yes, I do think there are many people who want to 'truly
> > elect' community representatives. But again, I'm uncertain whether that
> is
> > legally possible without turning the structure of the WMF upside down.
> In a
> > foundation, the board has the ultimate authority, so to include a rule
> that
> > delegates that authority to an vaguely defined group of people is...
> > tricky.
>
> Not tricky at all. There are *plenty* of other similar organizations
> that have elections for their trustees to their boards, including
> several Wikimedia chapters/affiliates where their boards have oversite
> of many employees and significant sums of money. There is no need to
> turn improvement of democratic governance of the WMF board into a
> challenging drama that turns the "WMF upside down".
>
> Perhaps we should stop looking for hypothetical excuses to avoid
> changing the way the WMF board governs itself, and start to set
> targets for the WMF board so that board members take an active part in
> leading basic improvement to transparency and accountability in
> public, rather than alluding to confidential political horse-trading
> in back-rooms. The WMF is not a heated political party, or a
> fuddy-duddy old-boys club for people who don't understand simple legal
> words, neither should becoming a trustee be seen as a personal honour
> that means that asking difficult questions or holding a trustee to
> account for their action or inaction is batted away as a personal
> attack.
>
> The WMF board is locked into a infectious mind-set that is overripe
> for modernization and the removal of ego driven politics. It would be
> refreshing to see selfless inspiring board leadership that meets the
> public expectations for free open knowledge in the 21st century.
>
> Fae
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

2016-05-10 Thread Kiril Simeonovski
Congratulations Christophe and Nataliia!

I am sure that you are going to help the work of the Board in a way that
will benefit the whole movement.

Best regards,
Kiril

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Sam Klein  wrote:

> Congrats, you two!  Yea, Christophe: you are just in time to catch a second
> round of FDC deliberations.
> Lucky for the WMF more than for you perhaps :)  –SJ
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:09 AM, Christophe Henner <
> christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you everyone :)
> >
> > Seeing the turnout and the discussions I do hope next "selections" will
> go
> > as well, it is just awesome to see that almost everyone voted!
> >
> > I would also like to thank the FDC staff for publishing the APG
> assessment
> > today which is my before last day as chair of Wikimedia France and has me
> > taking my breakfast over figures to answer it :D
> >
> > Lucky for me, WMF doesn't go through FDC... oh wait, now it does!
> >
> > --
> > Christophe
> >
> > On 10 May 2016 at 02:25, James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> > > Agree. Great to see some new and strong voices on the board.
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Gray  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Congratulations to Nataliia and Christophe - and well done to the
> > > > committee for getting such a good turnout. It was an excellent pool
> of
> > > > candidates this year and glad to see we got the votes to match.
> > > >
> > > > Andrew.
> > > >
> > > > On 9 May 2016 at 15:37, Manuel Schneider <
> > manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I want to congratulate everyone who has engaged in this election
> > > > > process. It was for sure a very special one, in this special
> > situation
> > > > > which was also reflected by the number of candidates.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks to the election committee and the candidates!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nataliia and Christophe, I wish you a good hand in helping the WMF
> > > board
> > > > > to steer through the current waters and whatever may come in the
> > > future.
> > > > > Also on behalf of the AffCom I hope for a good collaboration.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Manuel
> > > > >
> > > > > On 09.05.2016 16:11, Chris Keating wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia
> > > > Tymkiv.*
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the
> > Macedonia
> > > > and
> > > > >> Macau chapters - which is a record.
> > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-10 Thread
On 9 May 2016 at 08:19, Lodewijk  wrote:
...
> The elimination of the Founder seat, I'm also not so certain there is broad
> agreement. There are doubts though, for sure. And there is also no broad
> agreement to keep the seat as it is.

It's simple enough to test "broad agreement" by having a public vote
open for all Wikimedians. Maybe you can kick one off?

> And finally, yes, I do think there are many people who want to 'truly
> elect' community representatives. But again, I'm uncertain whether that is
> legally possible without turning the structure of the WMF upside down. In a
> foundation, the board has the ultimate authority, so to include a rule that
> delegates that authority to an vaguely defined group of people is...
> tricky.

Not tricky at all. There are *plenty* of other similar organizations
that have elections for their trustees to their boards, including
several Wikimedia chapters/affiliates where their boards have oversite
of many employees and significant sums of money. There is no need to
turn improvement of democratic governance of the WMF board into a
challenging drama that turns the "WMF upside down".

Perhaps we should stop looking for hypothetical excuses to avoid
changing the way the WMF board governs itself, and start to set
targets for the WMF board so that board members take an active part in
leading basic improvement to transparency and accountability in
public, rather than alluding to confidential political horse-trading
in back-rooms. The WMF is not a heated political party, or a
fuddy-duddy old-boys club for people who don't understand simple legal
words, neither should becoming a trustee be seen as a personal honour
that means that asking difficult questions or holding a trustee to
account for their action or inaction is batted away as a personal
attack.

The WMF board is locked into a infectious mind-set that is overripe
for modernization and the removal of ego driven politics. It would be
refreshing to see selfless inspiring board leadership that meets the
public expectations for free open knowledge in the 21st century.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Testing Update (Friday 6th May) - Hopefully the first of Many

2016-05-10 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Joseph,
I think that the banner could be useful to test some problems I see when
there is a switch of context.

I live near the border Italy-Switzerland and I see several discrepancies
when I connect in Italy and in Switzerland.

Basically I continue to see banners of Switzerland when I connect in Italy
and viceversa.

Probably there is something connected with the cookies or with a
persistence of personal data of browsing.

In my opinion this experiment can be a good test to check if this problem
is persistent switching the content.

In addition my question is about the implementation of this kind of banner
because the centralnotice can be set per country, per project and per
language. Do this banner add also the possibility to set it by content?

Kind regards


On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Joseph Seddon  wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> I wanted to give you a heads up about a small test WMF Online Fundraising
> will be running over this weekend. Following a suggestion from
> User:Wittylama we are for the first time going to be testing fundraiser
> banners that are content specific. [1]
>
> From now until Monday 9th May we will be running an A/B test strictly on
> articles relating to Game of Thrones [2] and only within the United States.
> The reason being its huge popular appeal and expected spikes of traffic to
> related articles during the airing of the next episode this Sunday . This
> is the first test of its kind so we are being reasonable in our
> expectations. It's hoped that this sort of specific messaging will allow us
> to engage with our readership a little better through our fundraising and
> in time provide alternatives to our standard messaging.
>
> The banner we are testing [3] has gone through several iterations and we
> are trying to strike that fine line between engaging with our readers by
> being content specific but at the same time avoiding being seen as
> advertising or overt endorsement. There were certainly some more
> extravagant ideas but we have gone with the more conservative option for
> now.
>
> If you have any ideas you would like to suggest about either our process or
> banner ideas feel free to contribute on our fundraising ideas page. [4]
>
> It is my plan going forward to provide more regular updates about our
> testing and the results we find from it. What form that takes and where I
> post those I'll decide in the coming weeks and will update you then.
>
> Hope you all have a great weekend.
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas#Related_content_banners
> [2] http://pastebin.com/M8AjB1tk
> [3]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones?force=1=US=B1516_0506_enUS_dsk_p1_lg_got_got
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Testing Update (Friday 6th May) - Hopefully the first of Many

2016-05-10 Thread Nikola Kalchev
Peter,

3) yes, it takes most people only 1 minute to make a payment by credit card
or paypal.

Best regards,
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Wikimedians of Bulgaria

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> Comments:
> 1) Too much black background - looks ominous and unfriendly
> 2) Like you said - that not particularly representative cup of coffee
> 3) Does it really take most people only 1 minute to make a payment? For me
> it usually takes several. Is this a local US thing?
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Peel
> Sent: Monday, 09 May 2016 8:33 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Testing Update (Friday 6th May) -
> Hopefully the first of Many
>
>
> > On 9 May 2016, at 18:36, Béria Lima  wrote:
> >
> > My 2 cents :D
> >
> > 1. I can't see the banner (not using the link posted or going by
> > CentralNotice) Could someone who can see it take a print please? :D
>
> Here's a screenshot as it appears on my computer:
> http://www.mikepeel.net/temp/wmf_fundraiser_got.pdf
>
> The part of it that sounds odd to me is that it still includes the
> statement "If everyone reading this right now gave $3, our fundraiser would
> be done within an hour." - is that still true for more
> narrowly-focused/seen banners, and for year-round fundraising? Plus, the
> expensive cup of coffee's still mentioned. ;-)
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Testing Update (Friday 6th May) - Hopefully the first of Many

2016-05-10 Thread Peter Southwood
Comments: 
1) Too much black background - looks ominous and unfriendly
2) Like you said - that not particularly representative cup of coffee
3) Does it really take most people only 1 minute to make a payment? For me it 
usually takes several. Is this a local US thing?
Cheers,
Peter

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Sent: Monday, 09 May 2016 8:33 PM
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Hopefully the first of Many


> On 9 May 2016, at 18:36, Béria Lima  wrote:
> 
> My 2 cents :D
> 
> 1. I can't see the banner (not using the link posted or going by
> CentralNotice) Could someone who can see it take a print please? :D

Here's a screenshot as it appears on my computer:
http://www.mikepeel.net/temp/wmf_fundraiser_got.pdf

The part of it that sounds odd to me is that it still includes the statement 
"If everyone reading this right now gave $3, our fundraiser would be done 
within an hour." - is that still true for more narrowly-focused/seen banners, 
and for year-round fundraising? Plus, the expensive cup of coffee's still 
mentioned. ;-)

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-10 Thread Derek V.Giroulle
I don't support that statement from Todd ,  that is not how a board of a 
foundantion works ..
please refer to the statutory (bylaws) provisions,  that might be how 
todd ideally would like things to function

but that is not much more then wishfull thinking .

Derek

On 10-05-16 01:46, Yann Forget wrote:

Hi,

I second everything said below. Yann

2016-05-08 5:20 GMT+02:00 Todd Allen :


Denny,

I appreciate that you've put forth this account. That's in no way facetious
or just a pretext, I am actually very glad to see someone speak to this.

I'd like, however, to suggest what would actually begin the process of
healing, since that's your intent. Most of us knew at least more or less
what James was accused of.

First, James needs to be restored to the Board, or at very least, his
restoration needs to be passed as a referendum to the community. Since
you've now posted your side, there's no reason that the community, rather
than the Board, shouldn't decide on James' trusteeship. That needs to
happen now, not at the next election, and it should have happened to start
with.

Second, the Board needs to resolve never to remove a community trustee
except by a successful recall referendum to the community. The Board should
never, under any circumstances, remove a community trustee without consent
of the community that elected them. That was unacceptable and must never
happen again. There will be no "healing" without a promise that it will
not.

Third, the "founder" seat needs to be eliminated. Jimmy would be, of
course, eligible to run for a community seat or be appointed to an expert
seat, but he shouldn't be a "member for life". Alternatively, the "founder"
seat could be made into an advisory, non-voting position.

And finally, while this part is optional, it wouldn't hurt for the Board to
increase the number of community elected ( and not "recommended", elected)
seats to a majority. While there's room for "expert" appointed seats and
chapter selected seats (and no, chapter selected seats are NOT community
selected seats), the community should be in control and have a majority,
and the others should be an advisory minority. The community has always
been in charge of WMF projects, and this should continue to be the case.

If you want to actually start the healing process, rather than deflect, at
the very least the first three things need to be done. If you want to
regain trust, all of them need to be. The community needs to be in charge.

Todd



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

2016-05-10 Thread Sam Klein
Congrats, you two!  Yea, Christophe: you are just in time to catch a second
round of FDC deliberations.
Lucky for the WMF more than for you perhaps :)  –SJ

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:09 AM, Christophe Henner <
christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you everyone :)
>
> Seeing the turnout and the discussions I do hope next "selections" will go
> as well, it is just awesome to see that almost everyone voted!
>
> I would also like to thank the FDC staff for publishing the APG assessment
> today which is my before last day as chair of Wikimedia France and has me
> taking my breakfast over figures to answer it :D
>
> Lucky for me, WMF doesn't go through FDC... oh wait, now it does!
>
> --
> Christophe
>
> On 10 May 2016 at 02:25, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > Agree. Great to see some new and strong voices on the board.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Gray 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations to Nataliia and Christophe - and well done to the
> > > committee for getting such a good turnout. It was an excellent pool of
> > > candidates this year and glad to see we got the votes to match.
> > >
> > > Andrew.
> > >
> > > On 9 May 2016 at 15:37, Manuel Schneider <
> manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I want to congratulate everyone who has engaged in this election
> > > > process. It was for sure a very special one, in this special
> situation
> > > > which was also reflected by the number of candidates.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to the election committee and the candidates!
> > > >
> > > > Nataliia and Christophe, I wish you a good hand in helping the WMF
> > board
> > > > to steer through the current waters and whatever may come in the
> > future.
> > > > Also on behalf of the AffCom I hope for a good collaboration.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Manuel
> > > >
> > > > On 09.05.2016 16:11, Chris Keating wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia
> > > Tymkiv.*
> > > >>
> > > >> A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the
> Macedonia
> > > and
> > > >> Macau chapters - which is a record.
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

2016-05-10 Thread Gnangarra
Congratulations from Wikimedia Australia and our thanks to those who did
the organising. Its a great outcome with some wonderful and talented people
being put forward to the BoT. Lets makes this the start of a closer
cooperation between all of the affiliates to help everyone achieve the best
outcomes.

On 10 May 2016 at 14:09, Christophe Henner 
wrote:

> Thank you everyone :)
>
> Seeing the turnout and the discussions I do hope next "selections" will go
> as well, it is just awesome to see that almost everyone voted!
>
> I would also like to thank the FDC staff for publishing the APG assessment
> today which is my before last day as chair of Wikimedia France and has me
> taking my breakfast over figures to answer it :D
>
> Lucky for me, WMF doesn't go through FDC... oh wait, now it does!
>
> --
> Christophe
>
> On 10 May 2016 at 02:25, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > Agree. Great to see some new and strong voices on the board.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Gray 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Congratulations to Nataliia and Christophe - and well done to the
> > > committee for getting such a good turnout. It was an excellent pool of
> > > candidates this year and glad to see we got the votes to match.
> > >
> > > Andrew.
> > >
> > > On 9 May 2016 at 15:37, Manuel Schneider <
> manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I want to congratulate everyone who has engaged in this election
> > > > process. It was for sure a very special one, in this special
> situation
> > > > which was also reflected by the number of candidates.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to the election committee and the candidates!
> > > >
> > > > Nataliia and Christophe, I wish you a good hand in helping the WMF
> > board
> > > > to steer through the current waters and whatever may come in the
> > future.
> > > > Also on behalf of the AffCom I hope for a good collaboration.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Manuel
> > > >
> > > > On 09.05.2016 16:11, Chris Keating wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia
> > > Tymkiv.*
> > > >>
> > > >> A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the
> Macedonia
> > > and
> > > >> Macau chapters - which is a record.
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

2016-05-10 Thread Christophe Henner
Thank you everyone :)

Seeing the turnout and the discussions I do hope next "selections" will go
as well, it is just awesome to see that almost everyone voted!

I would also like to thank the FDC staff for publishing the APG assessment
today which is my before last day as chair of Wikimedia France and has me
taking my breakfast over figures to answer it :D

Lucky for me, WMF doesn't go through FDC... oh wait, now it does!

--
Christophe

On 10 May 2016 at 02:25, James Heilman  wrote:

> Agree. Great to see some new and strong voices on the board.
>
> J
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Andrew Gray 
> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations to Nataliia and Christophe - and well done to the
> > committee for getting such a good turnout. It was an excellent pool of
> > candidates this year and glad to see we got the votes to match.
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> > On 9 May 2016 at 15:37, Manuel Schneider 
> > wrote:
> > > I want to congratulate everyone who has engaged in this election
> > > process. It was for sure a very special one, in this special situation
> > > which was also reflected by the number of candidates.
> > >
> > > Thanks to the election committee and the candidates!
> > >
> > > Nataliia and Christophe, I wish you a good hand in helping the WMF
> board
> > > to steer through the current waters and whatever may come in the
> future.
> > > Also on behalf of the AffCom I hope for a good collaboration.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Manuel
> > >
> > > On 09.05.2016 16:11, Chris Keating wrote:
> > >
> > >> The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia
> > Tymkiv.*
> > >>
> > >> A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the Macedonia
> > and
> > >> Macau chapters - which is a record.
> > >
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