Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Ohio Wikimedians User Group

[Olatunde Isaac]

Congratulations to Ohio Wikimedians!

Isaac,

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Congrats and welcome to the neighborhood! :-)

Sydney Poore
User: FloNight
Kentucky Wikimedians User Group

On Jul 26, 2016 7:30 AM, "Carlos M. Colina"  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am glad to announce the
> recognition of the newest Wikimedia User Group in the United States: Ohio
> Wikimedians User Group [1]. Their focus of activities is in the state of
> Ohio, supporting and helping develop the local community of wikimedians.
>
> It is worth noting that some of the founding members of the group have
> been members of Wikipedia Connection[2], a Ohio State University student
> organization devoted to contribute to Wikipedia, who have been joined by
> other wikimedians from Ohio to create this new User Group.
>
> Welcome to the family!
>
> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Wikimedians_User_Group
> 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Connection
>
>
> --
> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> Carlos M. Colina
> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve
> 
> Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> Phone: +972-52-4869915
> Twitter: @maor_x
>
> El logotipo y el nombre de Wikimedia, Wikimedia Venezuela, Wikipedia,
> Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia Incubator, Wiktionary y otros proyectos
> relacionados son marcas registradas usadas bajo permiso expreso de su
> titular, la Fundación Wikimedia, Inc., una organización sin fines de lucro.
> Otros nombres y marcas pertenecen a sus respectivos propietarios.
>
> Asociación Civil Wikimedia Venezuela (Wikimedia Venezuela) | RIF.:
> J-40129321-2 | Los Teques, Estado Miranda. Venezuela
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Ohio Wikimedians User Group

[Kevin Payravi]

Thank you for the welcome all! Looking forward to connecting Ohioans and
hosting our future events :)

Kevin Payravi
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P: (330) 554 - 3397

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Biplab Anand  wrote:

> Congrats!!!
>
> Cheers
> Biplab Anand
> On 26 Jul 2016 18:20, "Sydney Poore"  wrote:
>
> > Congrats and welcome to the neighborhood! :-)
> >
> > Sydney Poore
> > User: FloNight
> > Kentucky Wikimedians User Group
> >
> > On Jul 26, 2016 7:30 AM, "Carlos M. Colina" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am glad to announce the
> > > recognition of the newest Wikimedia User Group in the United States:
> Ohio
> > > Wikimedians User Group [1]. Their focus of activities is in the state
> of
> > > Ohio, supporting and helping develop the local community of
> wikimedians.
> > >
> > > It is worth noting that some of the founding members of the group have
> > > been members of Wikipedia Connection[2], a Ohio State University
> student
> > > organization devoted to contribute to Wikipedia, who have been joined
> by
> > > other wikimedians from Ohio to create this new User Group.
> > >
> > > Welcome to the family!
> > >
> > > 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Wikimedians_User_Group
> > > 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Connection
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
> wayuukanairua
> > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> junain."
> > > Carlos M. Colina
> > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> > www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > > 
> > > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> > > Phone: +972-52-4869915
> > > Twitter: @maor_x
> > >
> > > El logotipo y el nombre de Wikimedia, Wikimedia Venezuela, Wikipedia,
> > > Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia Incubator, Wiktionary y otros proyectos
> > > relacionados son marcas registradas usadas bajo permiso expreso de su
> > > titular, la Fundación Wikimedia, Inc., una organización sin fines de
> > lucro.
> > > Otros nombres y marcas pertenecen a sus respectivos propietarios.
> > >
> > > Asociación Civil Wikimedia Venezuela (Wikimedia Venezuela) | RIF.:
> > > J-40129321-2 | Los Teques, Estado Miranda. Venezuela
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Pete Forsyth]

Sorry to post twice -- I spoke too soon with "single greatest opportunity."
An acknowledgment of community members' positive role in addressing the
Superprotect debacle is another important opportunity that should not be
missed.

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]


On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Pete Forsyth 
wrote:

> Christophe and Pine,
>
> I am glad this loop is getting closed. I agree very much with Pine that
> eliminating the Founder's Seat as a (virtually) guaranteed position is
> something that has been suggested by a great many informed people who care
> about the movement, in a number of venues, and until now (as far as I'm
> aware) has not been acknowledged. I'm glad to know that the governance
> review will give it consideration. Wikimedia has recently been doing many
> good things to address the challenges of the last year or two, but this
> issue remains -- in my mind -- the single most significant opportunity to
> get things on track.
>
> One thing comes to mind, which may also be appropriate to the review:
> perhaps it would be good to have a more structured way of making
> suggestions to the Board. For tech issues, we have Phabricator; something
> along those lines might be worthwhile, as it creates a way to assess how
> many people are interested in a certain issue, and also whether and how it
> has been seen/acknowledged/is being addressed.
>
> -Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Christophe Henner  > wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> The question is not on the table right now.
>>
>> We're working to perform a gouvernance audit, board composition will be
>> part of it.
>>
>> Now, my personal opinion is it's neither urgent nor critical. And on top
>> of
>> that I'm not sure it would be a good idea.
>>
>> All that being said, I'm sure it will come up during the gouvernance
>> review.
>>
>> And yes I missed it, sorry. Gérard, no need for such email, just, as Pine
>> did, reask the question :)
>>
>> Have a nice day
>>
>> Le 26 juil. 2016 6:54 AM, "Pine W"  a écrit :
>>
>> > Hi BGC,
>> >
>> > I asked a question earlier in this thread which seems to have been
>> > overlooked. Is the BGC (or the Board as a whole) considering whether the
>> > Founder's seat will become an elected seat in the forseeable future?
>> >
>> > Pine
>> >
>> > On Jul 20, 2016 21:20, "Pine W"  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Thanks Daruisz and all who worked on this.
>> > >
>> > > Looking at the bigger picture, the tone and pace of changes in WMF
>> > > governance over the past few months feel like a breath of fresh air. I
>> > hope
>> > > that this direction and pace continue.
>> > >
>> > > Speaking of elections and governance, will the Founder's seat become
>> an
>> > > elected seat? It may be too early to answer this question, but I hope
>> > that
>> > > the BGC gives it some careful thought.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks again,
>> > >
>> > > Pine
>> > >
>> > > On Jul 20, 2016 18:00, "Dariusz Jemielniak" 
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
>> > >>
>> > >> As you know the board passed a resolution allowing for the creation
>> of a
>> > >> standing Elections Committee in November of last year [1]. Per the
>> > >> implementing resolution, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) has
>> > >> appointed
>> > >> the initial members from the recommendation of the Executive Director
>> > and
>> > >> her staff. We will be starting with 6 committee members:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>-
>> > >>
>> > >>User:Ajraddatz
>> > >>
>> > >>-
>> > >>
>> > >>User:Mardetanha
>> > >>
>> > >>-
>> > >>
>> > >>User:Ruslik0
>> > >>
>> > >>-
>> > >>
>> > >>User:Philippe
>> > >>> >slate
>> > >>-
>> > >>
>> > >>User:KTC > >
>> > >>-
>> > >>
>> > >>User:Atropine
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> They will be joined by two official advisors from the Wikimedia
>> > >> Foundation:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>-
>> > >>
>> > >>James Alexander (Manager, Trust & Safety) from Community
>> Engagement
>> > >>-
>> > >>
>> > >>Stephen LaPorte (Senior Legal Counsel) from the WMF Legal team
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> They will also be working closely with the BGC as a whole and
>> especially
>> > >> Nataliia and me. Because I may consider applying as a candidate in
>> the
>> > >> upcoming community-selection process I will be recusing for any
>> > >> discussions
>> > >> involving that election[2].
>> > >>
>> > >> The new committee, along with the BGC, will, of course, be able to
>> > choose
>> > >> how 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Ohio Wikimedians User Group

[Biplab Anand]

Congrats!!!

Cheers
Biplab Anand
On 26 Jul 2016 18:20, "Sydney Poore"  wrote:

> Congrats and welcome to the neighborhood! :-)
>
> Sydney Poore
> User: FloNight
> Kentucky Wikimedians User Group
>
> On Jul 26, 2016 7:30 AM, "Carlos M. Colina" 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am glad to announce the
> > recognition of the newest Wikimedia User Group in the United States: Ohio
> > Wikimedians User Group [1]. Their focus of activities is in the state of
> > Ohio, supporting and helping develop the local community of wikimedians.
> >
> > It is worth noting that some of the founding members of the group have
> > been members of Wikipedia Connection[2], a Ohio State University student
> > organization devoted to contribute to Wikipedia, who have been joined by
> > other wikimedians from Ohio to create this new User Group.
> >
> > Welcome to the family!
> >
> > 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Wikimedians_User_Group
> > 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Connection
> >
> >
> > --
> > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> > Carlos M. Colina
> > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > 
> > Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> > Phone: +972-52-4869915
> > Twitter: @maor_x
> >
> > El logotipo y el nombre de Wikimedia, Wikimedia Venezuela, Wikipedia,
> > Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia Incubator, Wiktionary y otros proyectos
> > relacionados son marcas registradas usadas bajo permiso expreso de su
> > titular, la Fundación Wikimedia, Inc., una organización sin fines de
> lucro.
> > Otros nombres y marcas pertenecen a sus respectivos propietarios.
> >
> > Asociación Civil Wikimedia Venezuela (Wikimedia Venezuela) | RIF.:
> > J-40129321-2 | Los Teques, Estado Miranda. Venezuela
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Adrian Raddatz  wrote:

> Considering how horrible on-wiki dispute resolution can currently be for
> all involved, I'm OK with keeping this in private here.
>
>
Fair enough. My comment was meant to rather point out that we don't have
rules of behavior, and we're disputing enforcement first instead. I don't
really object to keeping moderation private or semi-private (visible to
other moderators).

dj
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Adrian Raddatz]

Considering how horrible on-wiki dispute resolution can currently be for
all involved, I'm OK with keeping this in private here.

Adrian Raddatz

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Thanks for the input, folks.
>
> So, it looks as though there's a preference for keeping it off-list, at
> least until a moderation decision is made, and possibly thereafter too.  I
> shall proceed in that way.
>
> For the record, following Dariusz's remark, I will point out that that is
> *not* how we do it on-wiki; on-wiki, all negotiations of users' behavior is
> done publicly and on the record (albeit with usernames rather than the real
> names most of us use here).
>
> Cheers,
>
>A.
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Lodewijk 
> wrote:
>
> > As a reader I would also appreciate it to happen in private. I trust the
> > admins to make a sane decision, and if things go berzerk and they make a
> > string of bad decisions, I trust it'll come up on the list then.
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2016-07-26 16:28 GMT+02:00 Richard Symonds <
> > richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
> > >:
> >
> > > Generally, it is better to discuss it privately with the list admins.
> > This
> > > prevents the worst side of mailing lists: a one-sided dogpile on an
> > > individual, who, disruptive or not, should get a fair hearing by the
> > > person(s) whose job it is to moderate.
> > >
> > > Richard Symonds
> > > Wikimedia UK
> > > 0207 065 0992
> > >
> > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
> and
> > > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
> Registered
> > > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> > 4LT.
> > > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
> (who
> > > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> > >
> > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
> control
> > > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
> > >
> > > On 26 July 2016 at 15:14, Nathan  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Brill Lyle 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was on a very active music mailing list for over 10 years and I
> was
> > > > > grateful it was not moderated. Moderation can inhibit discussion,
> > even
> > > > when
> > > > > there are disruptors, and it also requires moderators donate a lot
> of
> > > > > volunteer hours. Which I think within the Wikimedia family
> community
> > is
> > > > > already being required of many of us. So I would vote against
> > > moderation.
> > > > >
> > > > > If an argument / shift was towards moderation, maybe it could be
> > based
> > > on
> > > > > edit count and/or contributions? But that seems a bit extreme and
> > > awful.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Erika
> > > > >
> > > > > *Erika Herzog*
> > > > > Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle
> > > > >*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We need moderators to manage spam if for no other reason, and it has
> > been
> > > > helpful in many cases in the 8-9 years I have been subscribed to this
> > > list
> > > > to inhibit disruption and encourage civil exchange. We also have a
> > "soft
> > > > limit" of 30 posts per month that has rarely needed to be enforced
> but
> > is
> > > > still technically on the books.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Asaf Bartov]

Thanks for the input, folks.

So, it looks as though there's a preference for keeping it off-list, at
least until a moderation decision is made, and possibly thereafter too.  I
shall proceed in that way.

For the record, following Dariusz's remark, I will point out that that is
*not* how we do it on-wiki; on-wiki, all negotiations of users' behavior is
done publicly and on the record (albeit with usernames rather than the real
names most of us use here).

Cheers,

   A.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Lodewijk 
wrote:

> As a reader I would also appreciate it to happen in private. I trust the
> admins to make a sane decision, and if things go berzerk and they make a
> string of bad decisions, I trust it'll come up on the list then.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2016-07-26 16:28 GMT+02:00 Richard Symonds <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
> >:
>
> > Generally, it is better to discuss it privately with the list admins.
> This
> > prevents the worst side of mailing lists: a one-sided dogpile on an
> > individual, who, disruptive or not, should get a fair hearing by the
> > person(s) whose job it is to moderate.
> >
> > Richard Symonds
> > Wikimedia UK
> > 0207 065 0992
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> 4LT.
> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >
> > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
> >
> > On 26 July 2016 at 15:14, Nathan  wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Brill Lyle 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was on a very active music mailing list for over 10 years and I was
> > > > grateful it was not moderated. Moderation can inhibit discussion,
> even
> > > when
> > > > there are disruptors, and it also requires moderators donate a lot of
> > > > volunteer hours. Which I think within the Wikimedia family community
> is
> > > > already being required of many of us. So I would vote against
> > moderation.
> > > >
> > > > If an argument / shift was towards moderation, maybe it could be
> based
> > on
> > > > edit count and/or contributions? But that seems a bit extreme and
> > awful.
> > > >
> > > > - Erika
> > > >
> > > > *Erika Herzog*
> > > > Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle
> > > >*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We need moderators to manage spam if for no other reason, and it has
> been
> > > helpful in many cases in the 8-9 years I have been subscribed to this
> > list
> > > to inhibit disruption and encourage civil exchange. We also have a
> "soft
> > > limit" of 30 posts per month that has rarely needed to be enforced but
> is
> > > still technically on the books.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Richard Symonds]

Generally, it is better to discuss it privately with the list admins. This
prevents the worst side of mailing lists: a one-sided dogpile on an
individual, who, disruptive or not, should get a fair hearing by the
person(s) whose job it is to moderate.

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
0207 065 0992

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

On 26 July 2016 at 15:14, Nathan  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Brill Lyle 
> wrote:
>
> > I was on a very active music mailing list for over 10 years and I was
> > grateful it was not moderated. Moderation can inhibit discussion, even
> when
> > there are disruptors, and it also requires moderators donate a lot of
> > volunteer hours. Which I think within the Wikimedia family community is
> > already being required of many of us. So I would vote against moderation.
> >
> > If an argument / shift was towards moderation, maybe it could be based on
> > edit count and/or contributions? But that seems a bit extreme and awful.
> >
> > - Erika
> >
> > *Erika Herzog*
> > Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle  >*
>
>
>
> We need moderators to manage spam if for no other reason, and it has been
> helpful in many cases in the 8-9 years I have been subscribed to this list
> to inhibit disruption and encourage civil exchange. We also have a "soft
> limit" of 30 posts per month that has rarely needed to be enforced but is
> still technically on the books.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Brill Lyle]

I was on a very active music mailing list for over 10 years and I was
grateful it was not moderated. Moderation can inhibit discussion, even when
there are disruptors, and it also requires moderators donate a lot of
volunteer hours. Which I think within the Wikimedia family community is
already being required of many of us. So I would vote against moderation.

If an argument / shift was towards moderation, maybe it could be based on
edit count and/or contributions? But that seems a bit extreme and awful.

- Erika

*Erika Herzog*
Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle *

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:26 AM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> A meta-question: I am wondering whether, if one thinks a user on this list
> should be moderated, it is better to discuss it privately with the list
> admins (who, if convinced, could announce the moderation publicly, or not),
> or publicly on this list (explicitly inviting more opinions, being
> transparent about my position regarding moderating the user, but also
> embarrassing the user whatever the outcome).
>
> Thoughts?
>
>A.
> --
> Asaf Bartov
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:22 AM, WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pine has a point. We all know that the founder seat will go eventually.
> Whether it goes on the death or incapacity of the founder or earlier is a
> valid question for the board and the community. I'm not convinced that an
> elections committee should be deciding which posts to elect, and even if
> such governance issues do fall into its remit they should probably focus on
> how to elect first. So I'd say this should be a board decision.
>
> As for the arguments to retain a founder seat for the next few decades, I
> suggest that those who favour such a position try to couch their arguments
> in terms of institutional knowledge, the value of an element of continuity
> and the positives for the community to still retain such a link with our
> founder. Then hope that the incidents of a few months ago fade in memory
> and are not repeated. There is a case to be made for a founder seat, but as
> with any argument in this community there are ways to argue respectfully
> and effectively, and there are arguments that undermine your cause and
> weaken your reputation.


I think that Pine's question is definitely valid, and in the same time I
don't think it is really related to the Election Committee, or that it can
be really resolved through a discussion on this mailing list (although it
can be initiated here).

My personal view is that there are a lot of benefits of having the
founder's seat with a voting power, and there are also noticable
disadvantages (accountability to the movement, etc., but also one of the
disadvantages is the returning, endless discussion, drawing our attention
from more crucial topics).

I believe we should get our priorities straight - overall Board
governance/structure, vision, movement's structure all
in my mind are urgent. The founder's seat is a topic related as a specific
subtheme of the Board's structure, and as Christophe has already mentioned,
I think we will get some food for thought once we have the governance
review (for instance, apart from opinions, we'll know more about common
practices - just as a reference, not to bind us in any way, of course).

best,

dariusz "pundit"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Ohio Wikimedians User Group

[Sydney Poore]

Congrats and welcome to the neighborhood! :-)

Sydney Poore
User: FloNight
Kentucky Wikimedians User Group

On Jul 26, 2016 7:30 AM, "Carlos M. Colina"  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am glad to announce the
> recognition of the newest Wikimedia User Group in the United States: Ohio
> Wikimedians User Group [1]. Their focus of activities is in the state of
> Ohio, supporting and helping develop the local community of wikimedians.
>
> It is worth noting that some of the founding members of the group have
> been members of Wikipedia Connection[2], a Ohio State University student
> organization devoted to contribute to Wikipedia, who have been joined by
> other wikimedians from Ohio to create this new User Group.
>
> Welcome to the family!
>
> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Wikimedians_User_Group
> 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Connection
>
>
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> Carlos M. Colina
> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve
> 
> Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> Phone: +972-52-4869915
> Twitter: @maor_x
>
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> Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia Incubator, Wiktionary y otros proyectos
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> Otros nombres y marcas pertenecen a sus respectivos propietarios.
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[Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Ohio Wikimedians User Group

[Carlos M. Colina]

Dear all,

On behalf of the Affiliations Committee, I am glad to announce the 
recognition of the newest Wikimedia User Group in the United States: 
Ohio Wikimedians User Group [1]. Their focus of activities is in the 
state of Ohio, supporting and helping develop the local community of 
wikimedians.


It is worth noting that some of the founding members of the group have 
been members of Wikipedia Connection[2], a Ohio State University student 
organization devoted to contribute to Wikipedia, who have been joined by 
other wikimedians from Ohio to create this new User Group.


Welcome to the family!

1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Wikimedians_User_Group
2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Connection


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junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."

Carlos M. Colina
Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | 
www.wikimedia.org.ve 

Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
Phone: +972-52-4869915
Twitter: @maor_x

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Commons, Wikimedia Incubator, Wiktionary y otros proyectos relacionados son 
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Wikimedia, Inc., una organización sin fines de lucro. Otros nombres y marcas 
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[Wikimedia-l] Board structure (Was: New Elections Committee)

[Nataliia Tymkiv]

Dear all,

As Christophe mentioned, BGC has discussed Board composition issue and
decided that the best way is to wait for the results of the governance
review.
It was mentioned in the minutes, by the way [1]

If you have relevant arguments and think that it would make sense for other
people to be aware of these arguments, please, *discuss them on Meta*.
Mailing lists are not very useful for things like that.
There is a talk page for this [2]

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_Governance_Committee/Minutes_07-08-2016#Board_structure
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_Governance_Committee/Board_structure=edit=1

Best regards,
antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:22 AM, WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pine has a point. We all know that the founder seat will go eventually.
> Whether it goes on the death or incapacity of the founder or earlier is a
> valid question for the board and the community. I'm not convinced that an
> elections committee should be deciding which posts to elect, and even if
> such governance issues do fall into its remit they should probably focus on
> how to elect first. So I'd say this should be a board decision.
>
> As for the arguments to retain a founder seat for the next few decades, I
> suggest that those who favour such a position try to couch their arguments
> in terms of institutional knowledge, the value of an element of continuity
> and the positives for the community to still retain such a link with our
> founder. Then hope that the incidents of a few months ago fade in memory
> and are not repeated. There is a case to be made for a founder seat, but as
> with any argument in this community there are ways to argue respectfully
> and effectively, and there are arguments that undermine your cause and
> weaken your reputation.
>
>
> WereSpielChequers
>
>
> On 26 July 2016 at 06:39,  wrote:
>
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:53:59 -0700
> > From: Pine W 
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Alessandro Marchetti]

Should the very first step be contacting the person involved? Maybe even if 
this last attempt of private moderation fails, you can both agree that 
discussing in public about the problem is no problem for him/her.  

Il Martedì 26 Luglio 2016 10:40, Tomasz Ganicz  ha 
scritto:
 

 Maybe the best model would be such:
#1 A person willing to switch on moderation on someone contact an admin -
good reasons for moderation is required
#2 If admin decides not to moderate - inform proponent about it. End of
story.
#3 If admin decides to moderate - inform about this both proponent and the
person to be moderated and ask moderated person if he/she wants to announce
this on the list.
#4 If she/he wants to have it announced on this list - admin do it with
explanation of the reasons.

+

#5 - asking for moderation of someone on this list - ends up with
moderation of the proponent :-)



2016-07-26 10:26 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov :

> A meta-question: I am wondering whether, if one thinks a user on this list
> should be moderated, it is better to discuss it privately with the list
> admins (who, if convinced, could announce the moderation publicly, or not),
> or publicly on this list (explicitly inviting more opinions, being
> transparent about my position regarding moderating the user, but also
> embarrassing the user whatever the outcome).
>
> Thoughts?
>
>    A.
> --
>    Asaf Bartov
>    Wikimedia Foundation 
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Tomasz Ganicz]

Maybe the best model would be such:
#1 A person willing to switch on moderation on someone contact an admin -
good reasons for moderation is required
#2 If admin decides not to moderate - inform proponent about it. End of
story.
#3 If admin decides to moderate - inform about this both proponent and the
person to be moderated and ask moderated person if he/she wants to announce
this on the list.
#4 If she/he wants to have it announced on this list - admin do it with
explanation of the reasons.

+

#5 - asking for moderation of someone on this list - ends up with
moderation of the proponent :-)



2016-07-26 10:26 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov :

> A meta-question: I am wondering whether, if one thinks a user on this list
> should be moderated, it is better to discuss it privately with the list
> admins (who, if convinced, could announce the moderation publicly, or not),
> or publicly on this list (explicitly inviting more opinions, being
> transparent about my position regarding moderating the user, but also
> embarrassing the user whatever the outcome).
>
> Thoughts?
>
>A.
> --
> Asaf Bartov
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
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> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
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[Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

[Asaf Bartov]

A meta-question: I am wondering whether, if one thinks a user on this list
should be moderated, it is better to discuss it privately with the list
admins (who, if convinced, could announce the moderation publicly, or not),
or publicly on this list (explicitly inviting more opinions, being
transparent about my position regarding moderating the user, but also
embarrassing the user whatever the outcome).

Thoughts?

   A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[WereSpielChequers]

Pine has a point. We all know that the founder seat will go eventually.
Whether it goes on the death or incapacity of the founder or earlier is a
valid question for the board and the community. I'm not convinced that an
elections committee should be deciding which posts to elect, and even if
such governance issues do fall into its remit they should probably focus on
how to elect first. So I'd say this should be a board decision.

As for the arguments to retain a founder seat for the next few decades, I
suggest that those who favour such a position try to couch their arguments
in terms of institutional knowledge, the value of an element of continuity
and the positives for the community to still retain such a link with our
founder. Then hope that the incidents of a few months ago fade in memory
and are not repeated. There is a case to be made for a founder seat, but as
with any argument in this community there are ways to argue respectfully
and effectively, and there are arguments that undermine your cause and
weaken your reputation.


WereSpielChequers


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Peter Southwood]

Maybe so, but that is your opinion and is not necessarily shared by others.
I will second Pine's request.

-Original Message-
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Gerard Meijssen
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:30 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

Hoi,
I really hope that the question is not answered and when answered the answer is 
no.

I am so sick and tired of this nonsense. It never stops and there is supposed 
to be only one answer. There are two alternatives; no answer and not as you 
like it.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 26 July 2016 at 06:53, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi BGC,
>
> I asked a question earlier in this thread which seems to have been 
> overlooked. Is the BGC (or the Board as a whole) considering whether 
> the Founder's seat will become an elected seat in the forseeable future?
>
> Pine
>
> On Jul 20, 2016 21:20, "Pine W"  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Daruisz and all who worked on this.
> >
> > Looking at the bigger picture, the tone and pace of changes in WMF 
> > governance over the past few months feel like a breath of fresh air. 
> > I
> hope
> > that this direction and pace continue.
> >
> > Speaking of elections and governance, will the Founder's seat become 
> > an elected seat? It may be too early to answer this question, but I 
> > hope
> that
> > the BGC gives it some careful thought.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > On Jul 20, 2016 18:00, "Dariusz Jemielniak"  wrote:
> >
> >> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
> >>
> >> As you know the board passed a resolution allowing for the creation 
> >> of a standing Elections Committee in November of last year [1]. Per 
> >> the implementing resolution, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) 
> >> has appointed the initial members from the recommendation of the 
> >> Executive Director
> and
> >> her staff. We will be starting with 6 committee members:
> >>
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Ajraddatz
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Mardetanha
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Ruslik0
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Philippe
> >>slate
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:KTC 
> >>-
> >>
> >>User:Atropine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> They will be joined by two official advisors from the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation:
> >>
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>James Alexander (Manager, Trust & Safety) from Community Engagement
> >>-
> >>
> >>Stephen LaPorte (Senior Legal Counsel) from the WMF Legal team
> >>
> >>
> >> They will also be working closely with the BGC as a whole and 
> >> especially Nataliia and me. Because I may consider applying as a 
> >> candidate in the upcoming community-selection process I will be 
> >> recusing for any discussions involving that election[2].
> >>
> >> The new committee, along with the BGC, will, of course, be able to
> choose
> >> how many members and advisors they truly need and how to recruit 
> >> the
> best
> >> candidates. One of the first orders of business for the committee 
> >> will
> be
> >> to decide on a process for expanding its membership through some 
> >> form of open call. While there is an enormous amount of work for 
> >> the committee
> to
> >> do, it can be expected that they will begin looking at:
> >>
> >>
> >>-
> >>
> >>The selection of a committee Chair
> >>-
> >>
> >>The dates and process for the upcoming community selection 
> >> process
> (and
> >>consider shortening the terms and having community elections in 
> >> early 2017,
> >>so that the elected members would join the Board at April
> meeting[3]).
> >>-
> >>
> >>The method of voting for that process both for the upcoming selection
> >>and the future and
> >>-
> >>
> >>The composition of the board and how to ensure a steady supply 
> >> of
> good
> >>candidates (in particular, making sure that the candidates have the
> >>skills and expertise matching the Board skill matrix while 
> >> making
> sure
> >> that
> >>the process is still owned by the community[4]).
> >>
> >>
> >> Just as the BGC is committed to greater transparency (see for 
> >> example
> our
> >> recent minutes[5]), the committee will likely consult with the 
> >> wider Wikimedia community in developing and revising election 
> >> procedures
> within
> >> the scope of this charter to the greatest extent possible.
> >>
> >> This day has been a long time coming and is the result of requests 
> >> made
> by
> >> multiple different temporary election committees over the years. 
> >> I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WikiVoyage Europe available on Android

[James Heilman]

I think the people at Kiwix would be happy to have more people helping them
make ZIMs.

James

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Roland Unger <
roland.un...@soziologie.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> of course, offline Wikivoyage is a really nice tool. You can use
> it everywhere -- for instance in desert regions without any
> online connection. And it's a good replacement for heavy guide
> books.
>
> But why there are no similar tools in other languages than English,
> why not in German or French?
>
> It is very important to have up to date guides. But the last Kiwix
> archives were made in the beginning of May. In former times
> they were created monthly. For instance, in this three-months
> period about 20.000 updates were made in the German edition
> of Wikivoyage.
>
> Best regards
> Roland
>
> Stephane Coillet-Matillon wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> With Summer vacations in full swing, we’ve just released an offline
>> version of WikiVoyage specifically dedicated to Europe!
>>
>> The app runs on Android and can be found at the Google Store [1]. Other
>> regions will follow, this is a first shot at getting something rather
>> lightweight and region-specific.
>>
>> Feel free to download, rate… and go visit something!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Stephane
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kiwix.kiwixcustomwikivoyageeurope
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Elections Committee

[Pine W]

Hi Gerard,

I agree with you that there are many important issues, and as you mentioned
one of them is the quality of our products and services. However, I am
keenly aware of governance issues at WMF and how they affect the rest of
the ecosystem. WMF is a single point of failure (an issue which I would
like to see mitigated but is likely to take time on the order of years), so
for the foreseeable future I feel that it is in the interest of the
Wikimedia community and the affiliates to be mindful of WMF governance
matters.

I am happy to have a conversation about Wikipedia quality and Wikidata
integration, and I would like to invite you to start a different thread
about that subject.

Thank you,

Pine

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> Hoi,
> My beef is that it is a question that does not go away, that has been asked
> for the umpteenth time. It comes across as very self defeating for us as a
> movement because it is not what will benefit us most and it seems like a
> "safe" subject because it takes away from real issues..
>
> In my experience far more problematic are the quality issues with
> Wikipedia. Many easy to implement improvements like doing away with red
> links and wiki links and replace them Wikidata items are just not
> considered. We face a lot of opposition from vested interests and the
> quality on many subjects seriously suffers. This does translate into
> information that is detrimental to our readers.
>
> Yes, other people may have different perspectives but given the lack of
> progress even an unwillingness to tackle many issues my perspective is that
> it is so far removed from what we should be doing and I am convinced that
> it will do us no good, it will splinter us more than bring us together.
>
> My hope is not in whatever committee that commits to group think. My hope
> is that we are true to what we are about and that is share in the sum of
> all knowledge. At this time we do not even share the sum of the knowledge
> that is available to us.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 26 July 2016 at 07:39, Christophe Henner  wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > The question is not on the table right now.
> >
> > We're working to perform a gouvernance audit, board composition will be
> > part of it.
> >
> > Now, my personal opinion is it's neither urgent nor critical. And on top
> of
> > that I'm not sure it would be a good idea.
> >
> > All that being said, I'm sure it will come up during the gouvernance
> > review.
> >
> > And yes I missed it, sorry. Gérard, no need for such email, just, as Pine
> > did, reask the question :)
> >
> > Have a nice day
> >
> > Le 26 juil. 2016 6:54 AM, "Pine W"  a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi BGC,
> > >
> > > I asked a question earlier in this thread which seems to have been
> > > overlooked. Is the BGC (or the Board as a whole) considering whether
> the
> > > Founder's seat will become an elected seat in the forseeable future?
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > > On Jul 20, 2016 21:20, "Pine W"  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Daruisz and all who worked on this.
> > > >
> > > > Looking at the bigger picture, the tone and pace of changes in WMF
> > > > governance over the past few months feel like a breath of fresh air.
> I
> > > hope
> > > > that this direction and pace continue.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of elections and governance, will the Founder's seat become
> an
> > > > elected seat? It may be too early to answer this question, but I hope
> > > that
> > > > the BGC gives it some careful thought.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again,
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 20, 2016 18:00, "Dariusz Jemielniak" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
> > > >>
> > > >> As you know the board passed a resolution allowing for the creation
> > of a
> > > >> standing Elections Committee in November of last year [1]. Per the
> > > >> implementing resolution, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) has
> > > >> appointed
> > > >> the initial members from the recommendation of the Executive
> Director
> > > and
> > > >> her staff. We will be starting with 6 committee members:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Ajraddatz
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Mardetanha
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Ruslik0
> > > >>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Philippe
> > > >> > >slate
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:KTC <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/KTC>
> > > >>-
> > > >>
> > > >>User:Atropine
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>