[Wikimedia-l] Fixed the citation issue yet?

2016-09-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
This is a topic that deserves its own thread. Citations are problematic on
so many levels it is hard to decide where to begin.

When the question is can we get a lot of citations in Wikidata, relevant
citations, the answer is yes. It takes a lot of work and a lot has been
done by the lovely people of DBpedia. They have data ready to link
citations from Wikipedia to statements and it is fairly easy to gamify
this. It means that it will be people who judge if a citation actually fits
an existing statement.

When this is to be done with a high level of confidence, it helps when
links and red links get the same treatment as interwiki links. They would
all be associated with Wikidata. It will improve the quality of all
Wikipedias measurably and it will also do a lot to improve disambiguation.
The improvement may not be that much in the wiki links compared with the
interwiki links but the red links will bring us the confidence what
articles exist in other Wikipedias that have many red links in "your"
project.

Citations are part of the quality issue. When Wikidata is to improve its
quality there are several other approaches that will increase the
confidence of the quality of Wikidata. When multiple sources agree on a
statement, the statements where there is no agreement are the best targets
for attention. With a relation between citations in both Wikipedia and
Wikidata (the DBpedia link), it will be easy to signal to a Wikipedia for
help with such issues. This may bring our communities more together as well.

Citations itself have a problem of their own. What do we do with debunked
sources. Do we agree that a program of a conference is a source. How do we
signal unease about sources when an author proves to be "problematic". What
to do with the inherent conflict of interest that is pushed by people in an
industry who want to include their data in Wikidata..

A fringe benefit of providing links and red links with Wikidata items is
that it becomes easy to update the lists in use by "Women in Red". Many
more of the subjects they want to write about will become available and,
when an article is written it is easily removed from the lists. They
already use this approach by using the Listeria lists.

When you read all this, you may ask yourself is this technically hard to
do. It is not. Much of the software / functionality / data already exists
in an embryonic way. BUT it works. There is only one question left: Are we
ready to fix these quality issues?

Thanks,
  GerardM
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New functionality: cross-wiki search results

2016-09-07 Thread Michael Peel

> On 7 Sep 2016, at 20:24, geni  wrote:
> 
> On 7 September 2016 at 18:51, Gerard Meijssen  
> wrote:
>> Hoi,
>> It is a pity because Wikidata has so much more to offer in missing
>> information in any language.
> 
> Fixed the citation issue yet?

Nope, we're still trying to improve the citations on all of the Wikimedia 
projects. It's a never-ending task.

(Please don't play one Wikimedia project against another - we're all trying to 
achieve the same goals here, so let's tackle the issues together.)

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please take part in the Flow satisfaction survey

2016-09-07 Thread Trizek
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, James Forrester  >
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > *TL;DR*: Communities using Flow are invited to fill out a survey about
> what
> > they want to see from Flow,
>
>
> From this web page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow#Development_status
>
> "Starting in October 2015, Flow is not in active development."
>
> There have been many questions asked in various venues over the last year
> about whether Flow is alive or dead, and what its future looks like. James,
> perhaps you could take a moment to address that fundamental question?
>

Thanks for pointing out that the page might be confusing, I've updated it
quoting James' email:
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Flow=prev=2232662

Benoît

>
> It's quite odd to have a survey published about something that's been
> declared defunct (albeit unconvincingly).


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New functionality: cross-wiki search results

2016-09-07 Thread geni
On 7 September 2016 at 18:51, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
> Hoi,
> It is a pity because Wikidata has so much more to offer in missing
> information in any language.

Fixed the citation issue yet?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New functionality: cross-wiki search results

2016-09-07 Thread Deborah Tankersley
Hi Gerard,

I've added your question here
 [1] so that it's
tracked for the community.

Cheers,

Deb

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Tb4x7cw2epzvs3sx

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> It is a pity because Wikidata has so much more to offer in missing
> information in any language. By the way, languages like Tamil include
> Wikidata data in their search results.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 7 September 2016 at 19:42, Erik Bernhardson  >
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > Is Wikidata information included?
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > Currently that is not part of the plan, this is specifically addressing
> > sister wikis, such as frwikivoyage, frwikiquote, frwiki, frwikiversity,
> > frwikisource, frwikinews and frwikibooks.
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New functionality: cross-wiki search results

2016-09-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
It is a pity because Wikidata has so much more to offer in missing
information in any language. By the way, languages like Tamil include
Wikidata data in their search results.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 7 September 2016 at 19:42, Erik Bernhardson 
wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Is Wikidata information included?
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> >
> Currently that is not part of the plan, this is specifically addressing
> sister wikis, such as frwikivoyage, frwikiquote, frwiki, frwikiversity,
> frwikisource, frwikinews and frwikibooks.
>
>
>
> > On 7 September 2016 at 18:35, Deborah Tankersley <
> > dtankers...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The Discovery Search Team wants to enable search results
> > > ​on Wikipedia ​
> > > that will include articles
> > > ​ ​
> > > gathered across
> > >  all sister wiki
> > > ​​
> > >  projects – within the same language –
> > > but we need your feedback.​
> > >
> > > ​​
> > >
> > > ​Please read t
> > > he specifics of how this new functionality
> > > 
> > [1]
> > > might work
> > > ​ ​
> > > and
> > > ​ add​
> > >
> > > ​comments, concerns,
> > >  or alternative ideas for design options
> > >  > > Improvements/Design>
> > >  [2]
> > > ​ on the talk pages​
> > > .
> > > ​
> > >
> > > See an image
> > >  > > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png>
> > > [3]
> > > that shows one of many example display options that have been mocked
> up,
> > > after considering what other wiki communities have done.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your time
> > > ​ and c
> > > heers from the Search Team!​
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_
> Improvements
> > > [2]
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_
> > > Improvements/Design
> > > ​
> > > ​[3]
> > > *https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Search_results_page-
> > > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png
> > >  > > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png>*
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New functionality: cross-wiki search results

2016-09-07 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Is Wikidata information included?
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
>
Currently that is not part of the plan, this is specifically addressing
sister wikis, such as frwikivoyage, frwikiquote, frwiki, frwikiversity,
frwikisource, frwikinews and frwikibooks.



> On 7 September 2016 at 18:35, Deborah Tankersley <
> dtankers...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > The Discovery Search Team wants to enable search results
> > ​on Wikipedia ​
> > that will include articles
> > ​ ​
> > gathered across
> >  all sister wiki
> > ​​
> >  projects – within the same language –
> > but we need your feedback.​
> >
> > ​​
> >
> > ​Please read t
> > he specifics of how this new functionality
> > 
> [1]
> > might work
> > ​ ​
> > and
> > ​ add​
> >
> > ​comments, concerns,
> >  or alternative ideas for design options
> >  > Improvements/Design>
> >  [2]
> > ​ on the talk pages​
> > .
> > ​
> >
> > See an image
> >  > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png>
> > [3]
> > that shows one of many example display options that have been mocked up,
> > after considering what other wiki communities have done.
> >
> > Thank you for your time
> > ​ and c
> > heers from the Search Team!​
> >
> >
> > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_Improvements
> > [2]
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_
> > Improvements/Design
> > ​
> > ​[3]
> > *https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Search_results_page-
> > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png
> >  > enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png>*
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Product Manager, Discovery
> > IRC: debt
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New functionality: cross-wiki search results

2016-09-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
Is Wikidata information included?
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 7 September 2016 at 18:35, Deborah Tankersley 
wrote:

> The Discovery Search Team wants to enable search results
> ​on Wikipedia ​
> that will include articles
> ​ ​
> gathered across
>  all sister wiki
> ​​
>  projects – within the same language –
> but we need your feedback.​
>
> ​​
>
> ​Please read t
> he specifics of how this new functionality
>  [1]
> might work
> ​ ​
> and
> ​ add​
>
> ​comments, concerns,
>  or alternative ideas for design options
>  Improvements/Design>
>  [2]
> ​ on the talk pages​
> .
> ​
>
> See an image
>  enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png>
> [3]
> that shows one of many example display options that have been mocked up,
> after considering what other wiki communities have done.
>
> Thank you for your time
> ​ and c
> heers from the Search Team!​
>
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_Improvements
> [2]
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cross-wiki_Search_Result_
> Improvements/Design
> ​
> ​[3]
> *https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Search_results_page-
> enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png
>  enwiki_right-hand-box-general-projects.png>*
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] New edition of the Signpost: AffCom, Olympics, ethics & research, and more

2016-09-07 Thread Pete Forsyth
The Signpost, Volume 12 #25 is out, covering English Wikipedia and beyond:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Single/2016-09-06

Contents:

NEWS AND NOTES:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/News_and_notes
AffCom still grappling with WMF Board's criteria for new chapters

SPECIAL REPORT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/Special_report
Olympics readership depended on language

IN THE MEDIA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/In_the_media
Librarians, Wikipedians, and a library of Wikipedia coverage

WIKIPROJECT REPORT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/WikiProject_report
Watching Wikipedia

FEATURED CONTENT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/Featured_content
Entertainment, sport, and something else in-between

TRAFFIC REPORT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/Traffic_report
From Phelps to Bolt to Reddit

TECHNOLOGY REPORT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/Technology_report
Wikimedia mobile sites now don't load images if the user doesn't see them

RECENT RESEARCH:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/Recent_research
One study encounters critique of its ethics from Wikipedians; another
critiques the ethics employed by Wikipedia

BLOG:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-09-06/Blog
Upload of free photos from Swiss library underway

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please take part in the Flow satisfaction survey

2016-09-07 Thread Dan Garry
On 6 September 2016 at 11:32, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> There have been many questions asked in various venues over the last year
> about whether Flow is alive or dead, and what its future looks like. James,
> perhaps you could take a moment to address that fundamental question?
>

I believe James answered you in his email:

"We in the Collaboration Team have currently paused major development of
Flow. We continue to maintain it, fixing urgent bugs and adding minor
features, but we're not planning to put large-scale efforts into improving
it further in the current fiscal year (until June 2017)... This survey will
help us to prioritise future development of Flow."

Thanks,
Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please take part in the Flow satisfaction survey

2016-09-07 Thread Marc-Andre
It seems to me obvious that the survey is designed specifically to get 
enough data to decide on the future status of Flow development? I'd 
expect that the answer to "whether Flow is alive or dead" will be very 
much contingent on the survey itself.


On 2016-09-06 02:32 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:

It's quite odd to have a survey published about something that's been
declared defunct (albeit unconvincingly).


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