Re: [Wikimedia-l] GPS data shift

[Simon Poole]

On 06.10.2016 17:54, Petr Kadlec wrote:

> ..
> Why? I would expect CC0 to be simply relicensable under ODbL (cf.
> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#CC0). The other way, as
> you say, would be more problematical, ODbL-licensed content cannot be
> simply imported into CC0-licensed database.
>
There are (at least) two issues:

- we (OSM) do not allow anonymous contributions and in general expect
imports to be associated with a real natural persons account. Automated
updating would need to clear some further policy and technical hurdles
on top of that.

- we tend to be fairly picky about our sources and have rather strict
policies on use of data that we consider unsuitable. Standard example:
we would consider coordinates derived from a google provided map as not
usable for OSM. I suspect that providing assurance that the original
sources confirm to our criteria would be at least very difficult for
wikidata.

I should point out that some of the above stems from operating in a
different legal and competitive environment than the WMF projects and a
rather different approach to providing end-user services and products,
not just because we want to be difficult.

To end on a positive note: there is a lot of cooperation going on
between OSM and WP/wikidata, particularly in respect to adding wikidata
references to OSM objects and I don't see why, for example, this
couldn't be used for QA purposes like highlighting changes or large
differences in objects locations and other attributes. This would likely
avoid most of the issues noted above.

Simon





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[Wikimedia-l] Exploring challenging topics in Wikimedia history: Belfer Center post mortem

[Pete Forsyth]

In my view, the Wikimedia movement and the WMF often miss important
opportunities to fully examine significant controversies in our history.
It's an important practice, and can help parties who disagree absorb
lessons, develop a shared understanding of what happened, and avoid causing
similar problems in the future.

There's one incident that stands out, to me, as a successful effort to do
just that. It comes out of an issue discussed extensively on this list. I
think it's worth pointing out a summary of outcomes that many may have
missed.

Brief summary: in 2013, the Wikimedia Foundation directed a Wikipedian in
Residence program at Harvard University; it was problematic in various ways.

When the problems surfaced the next year, Erik Möller and Sue Gardner (then
the top two executives at WMF) created a post mortem page on the Outreach
Wiki (now at Meta Wiki). They told the story from the WMF perspective,
updated it as their understanding evolved, and explicitly noted the lessons
learned. They also encouraged others to tell the story from their
perspective:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Assessment_of_Belfer_Center_Wikipedian_in_Residence_program

Readers of this list might be aware of that much; but the next part
happened more recently, and more quietly. But it's an important part of
bringing the issue to a close. In July 2016, Katy Love responded to
questions about how the experience had impacted way the WMF's grant
programs approach Wikimedians in Residence. Her statement was pretty
detailed, and helps those working on WiR programs understand the WMF's
thinking.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Assessment_of_Belfer_Center_Wikipedian_in_Residence_program#WMF_grants_for_WiRs

Since the issue was heavily discussed on this email list in the past, it
seems fitting to acknowledge what I see as a highly successful resolution
here. In particular, I'd like to acknowledge the diligence of Sue Gardner,
Erik Möller, Lisa Seitz Gruwell, Katy Love, Asaf Bartov, and Siko Bouterse
(all currently or formerly of the WMF) in working through the issues.

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]

p.s. If you were watching this page on Outreach Wiki and want to follow any
future developments, you might want to add it to your watchlist on Meta
Wiki.
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